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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: midnightvulture on 20 Apr 2006, 08:08
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ok all you music pirates, (ahoy) 10000 days has officially leaked onto the internet. Its awesomeness could not be hidden any longer. IT IS AMAZING BY THE WAY. Happy hunting, wish ya the best of luck...
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Holy shit, wow..I'm going back to bed.
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So have the new Pearl Jam and the new Godsmack. Both of which I was looking forward to more than the new Tool.
Yes, I like Godsmack better than Tool. Deal with it.
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well tool sucks. sorry.
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New Headline:
"New Tool Album Leaked...And it's god-fricken boring and awful"
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So have the new Pearl Jam and the new Godsmack. Both of which I was looking forward to more than the new Tool.
I heard the new Godsmack single on the radio Tuesday. -insert double take and "wtf, they're still around?!"-
Heh. I think they started to kinda go downhill after Awake.
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the tool alnum is alright, i might also suggest Karnivool, they are a good new aussie band and well worth a look if you can find it over there in yankiville
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Tool are a shit band!
weeeeeeeee
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I was unimpressed by this album and I've loved Tool to date. Hoping it will grow on me.
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It seems like Tool is another of those bandwagons that everyone likes to hop on and make fun of for no good reason =P
Quit the ragging! I'm just pleased a good metal band is in the mainstream.
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Yes, I like Godsmack better than Tool. Deal with it.
I got figuratively BEATEN TO DEATH on a gaming forum for saying this. That tells you a LOT about the kind of people who use gaming forums.
Tool is the bottom rung of pretentious heavy music. When a Tool fan gets too pretentious, or older than 15, he gets into Mike Patton idolisation. Then, the paths bifurcate. Some go to Devin Townsend, some to Dream Theater, a few to Ayreon.
Also, a small list of things Tool aren't:
Original, innovative, particularly clever, metal.
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When I was 17 and ingesting LSD like water, I liked Tool.
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Yeah, gamers are often RABID Tool fans. And before they all discovered Tool, it used to be all about System of a Down and Rage Against The Machine. I saw so many threads saying 'SOAD/RATM WH1CH 1S B3TT3R' as if they were actually trying to compare the two.
So have the new Pearl Jam and the new Godsmack. Both of which I was looking forward to more than the new Tool.
I heard the new Godsmack single on the radio Tuesday. -insert double take and "wtf, they're still around?!"-
Heh. I think they started to kinda go downhill after Awake.
It's interesting, because they used to rip off Alice In Chains a lot, but in this album, they ripped off tons of bands. Their new single has a bit of an industrial feel, Mama sounds more like a Black Album Metallica song than any song actually ON the Black Album, and the opener Livin' In Sin sounds like, ironically, Tool.
I think Godsmack made a couple of good songs on each record. Too bad the rest of the songs on each record sound exactly the same. I do quite like The Other Side, though.
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(http://i.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/dannymanic~fan.jpg)
This is a Tool fan, Do you really want to be a Tool fan?
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Well, Godsmack did start off as an Alice in Chains tribute band.
I always felt a bit sorry for Godsmack. They got caught up in nu-metal, but aren't. And to have that kind of taint on you sucks. Plus, they have some actually rather good songs. Voodoo anyone?
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Yes, I like Godsmack better than Tool. Deal with it.
I got figuratively BEATEN TO DEATH on a gaming forum for saying this. That tells you a LOT about the kind of people who use gaming forums.
Tool is the bottom rung of pretentious heavy music. When a Tool fan gets too pretentious, or older than 15, he gets into Mike Patton idolisation. Then, the paths bifurcate. Some go to Devin Townsend, some to Dream Theater, a few to Ayreon.
Also, a small list of things Tool aren't:
Original, innovative, particularly clever, metal.
Yeah there's two Tool bandwagons really. The ZOMG TOOL ARE THE MOST PHILOSOPHICAL AND SMART BAND IN THE UNIVERSE bandwagon, and the TOOL ARE BORING AND THEIR FANS ARE JACKASSES bandwagon. The latter has more of a valid point, their teenage fans give them a bad name (especially in the US where they're more mainstream, from what I can gleam from the internets). You either get Tool or you don't, and if you don't, they're incredibly boring. Me, I dig 'em (and Dream Theater screw you ;)) but this new record is something of a let-down :(
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Tool is the bottom rung of pretentious heavy music. When a Tool fan gets too pretentious, or older than 15, he gets into Mike Patton idolisation
*Looks at self*
Damn.
Now seriously, I'm a Tool fan and a Patton fan, and I'm older then 15. Whats wrong with that? All the Tool fans I know are intelligent, eclectic people. NOT stupid emo 15 year olds.
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Let me just say, you are a really lucky man. Don't piss off your friends.
Myself, I like not Tool and am seriously indifferent to Patton. I just don't get it.
Okay, I like a bit of heavy devvy. And I'm a bit of a Dan Swano fanboy.
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I haven't listened to the new album yet, and am not a huge fan of Tool, but i definitely think their album Undertow is fucking killer.
People they aren't original but there are about a billion bands in the genre with Death, Wolves, or GERMANIC REFERENCE in the name, so I think originality isn't as good as the rocking.
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Well, Godsmack did start off as an Alice in Chains tribute band.
I always felt a bit sorry for Godsmack. They got caught up in nu-metal, but aren't. And to have that kind of taint on you sucks. Plus, they have some actually rather good songs. Voodoo anyone?
Yeah, Godsmack is really just grunge with really loud and downtuned guitars. I wrote an article on it once for a local metalzine that my friends give out for free at shows, comparing them with bands like KoRn and Linkin' Park, and then with bands like Black Album Metallica and Alice In Chains. Most people who've read it now refer to them as Post-Grunge. The nu-metal thing wasn't really helped by the fact that, because they were the big 'in' thing, they release singles like I Stand Alone and the new one, Speak, which are the songs that sound the most nu-metal on their albums.
They pulled an Unforgiven II and made Voodoo Too on this new disc. They show some more musical range on IV, but it's kind of a mixed bag. I really like the song Hollow. It gave me goosebumps.
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People they aren't original but there are about a billion bands in the genre with Death, Wolves, or GERMANIC REFERENCE in the name, so I think originality isn't as good as the rocking.
I can't think of a single alternative rock band with any of those things in their name.
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my uncle gave me SYL's City when I was 11. Unfortunately that didn't stop me from getting into shitty nu-metal, but I was saved form that soon enough by Converge and Opeth at 14. Anyways, those 3 years of darkness in between were filled by Tool, and when lateralus came out I was like "..oh, this band is really boring, but I WILL TRY TO GET IT" which is how most people felt about lateralus. my friend (read: tool fan) sent me 10,000 days to which i said "wait haven't i heard this before. Yeah, Yeah I have. They released this before. on every album" and i stand by this assessment.
edit- nobody was saying the NAME was unoriginal. The band just makes deritative pooptunes. Otherside by the RHCP was like the best tool song.
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*mewling hipster whimper* but pitchfork says i'm not allowed to like tool. what if i accidentally mention them within earshot of one of their reviewers?? they might meta-condescend to me...
nah, it's a decent album. danny carey's skill is undeniable and tasty at that. i'm glad they're finally off their tool-asses. i'm not saying they aren't one-trick ponies... i'm just saying sometimes i don't mind.
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So have the new Pearl Jam and the new Godsmack. Both of which I was looking forward to more than the new Tool.
Yes, I like Godsmack better than Tool. Deal with it.
I like Godsmack better than Tool, but I don't mind Tool too much. I also haven't heard anything past Awake, which I found to be really boring (the self-titled really was pretty good, but I love Godmack, so....)
Tool is the bottom rung of pretentious heavy music. When a Tool fan gets too pretentious, or older than 15, he gets into Mike Patton idolisation. Then, the paths bifurcate. Some go to Devin Townsend, some to Dream Theater, a few to Ayreon.
I never liked Mike Patton, and I like al three of those. I also didn't really like Tool until well after I had gotten into those three bands/people. I still don't really like Tool, but I can listen to them, and Danny Carey is a pretty good drummer, but I've heard tons better, with cooler ideas that rocked harder.
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People they aren't original but there are about a billion bands in the genre with Death, Wolves, or GERMANIC REFERENCE in the name, so I think originality isn't as good as the rocking.
I can't think of a single alternative rock band with any of those things in their name.
Sure, if you limit them to being called an Alternative Rock Band. But I don't think we are going to get beyond this.
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I'll give you progressive alternative rock.
Even if I gave 'em prog rock, which I wouldn't, because that would be an insult to a plethora of bands, I'm still not seeing any bands with those things in their name.
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Does indie count as alternative rock?
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I liked Tool better when they were just creepy videos on MTV.
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Does indie count as alternative rock?
You know very well what I mean by Alternative Rock.
Take your Death Cab for Cuties and your Wolfmothers and vamoose.
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Man I am really surprised by the Tool hate in this thread. My friend getting me into Tool through "Sober" is what got me into heavier music to begin with.
The fact that Maynard hasn't even been mentioned once in this thread confuses the hell out of me too. Is he still performing with Tool?
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Maaaan, TOol is amazing, and the album is so grand. Especially Jambi. SO fucking delicious.
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Tool is the bottom rung of pretentious heavy music. When a Tool fan gets too pretentious, or older than 15, he gets into Mike Patton idolisation. Then, the paths bifurcate. Some go to Devin Townsend, some to Dream Theater, a few to Ayreon.
Also, a small list of things Tool aren't:
Original, innovative, particularly clever, metal.
See, I don't like Tool, and Patton's never really engaged me, but I love the other three. Does that make me only slightly higher up on the pretentious-git scale, or is liking those three good?
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Yay! I'm not alone in those tastes!
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Strapping Young Lad pisses me off, but the rest of Townsend's material is acceptable.
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Strapping Young Lad has some of the best album titles ever, though. Heavy as a Really Heavy Thing, No Sleep till Bedtime, For Those Aboot to Rock...
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I dunno, I like tool, i'm not all fanatical about them, but they have their moments of awesome. Who I can't stand is Deftones. I remember when White Poney came out and everyone was all "OMG DEFTONES!!!!one1" and I felt like I was sitting there all by my self asking "whats the big deal?"
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I've downloaded it, but haven't gotten around to listening to it yet. I guess I've been looking forward to it, but it isn't that big a deal. Also, Khar is disturbingly accurate about what happens to Tool fans, but I still like to throw on an album of theirs every now and again. I think they're drastically overhyped by the fans, but that doesn't mean they're not good, it just means that they're not "the best band ever and you should totally listen to them or you are a total closed minded bastard oh fuck, the Mescal just kicked in."
Also, out of sheer curiosity, I kind of peeked onto the Toolshed forum last night, and half the fans on there are convinced its a hoax album as part of some elaborate joke on Tools behalf, and that its a total load of shit, and the other half believe its the geniune album and is fucking awesome.
The best part about this is that no matter what, half the people on that forum are going to look like complete idiots when the CD actually comes out.
I have heard Vicarious though, and that is a fucking sweet track.
Also, whoever mentioned Karnivool earlier, fo' rizzle, my peep. I haven't actually heard their album, but I saw them live on a recommendation from a friend and they were fantastic.
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In days of old when coats were sold and stoats had weird barbed-wire fetishes I thought about buying a tool album. Then my sister started liking them and became all goth-lite. Thankyou fate for bestowing awful things upon my sister instead of me. tool don't cause goth, they cause goth-lite, cause they just ain't good enough.
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Man I am really surprised by the Tool hate in this thread. My friend getting me into Tool through "Sober" is what got me into heavier music to begin with.
Yeah, see this is basically my mentality. I think Tool is a great band, simply because with out them, I really wouldn't have given Metal a second look as a genre and would have missed out as a lot of stuff as a result.
I also don't get how everyone can go on about how they are "derivative" when they sound completely unlike most other prog or metal bands I could compare them to. They seem to have a unique mentality. And thirdly, where does the pretentiousness come in? Is it because they sing about new-age spirituality every now and then? What is so god awful about, I don't know, maybe thinking the world might -not- be completely shallow and focused on material things every once in a while. I actually find it somewhat refreshing. Finally, they are all decent to good musicians, so why rag on them, when there are plenty of godawful bands that we could be more productively ragging on?
I'm pretty much going to stand by my guns that, as far as metal goes, you could do a whole lot worse than Tool, and that I'm glad they are out there because it's infinitely better than the majority of other mainstream stuff.
Khar's sentiments about "Post-Tool" bands are right on, though, haha. I like what I've heard of Townsend, I think Dream Theater rocks, and I can appreciate Ayreon's intentions even though I don't really like them. I still have no idea who this Patton guy is, though =P.
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No, you could do a whole lot better and ACTUALLY LISTEN TO A BAND THAT'S METAL.
Seriously, I listened to more metal bands last week than most of you guys, with some noble exceptions, have in your life-times.
Tool aren't metal.
I'm not saying they're crap because they're not metal, but they're NOT METAL.
@Unosuke: Now that's a BAD band.
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I always thought Tool were just "Alternative Rock" myself.
I once saw them being listed as being "Nu-Metal"
What. The. Fuck.
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The new album should have been called "10,000 days since we made a good album"
Seriously, I don't even know how people can go "OH MY GOD TOOL ARE SO TALENTED" because while they're different than most bands I don't EVER think of them as better, or even good >_>
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Tool aren't metal.
I'm not saying they're crap because they're not metal, but they're NOT METAL.
Totally agree. Actually, I've never heard someone call Tool a metal band outside this thread.
Ok, confession time: I have Deftone's White Poney, and I love it.
*mental image of Khar writing my name in his "people to kill after I take over the world" list*
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What the hell is wrong with White Pony? It's a great album.
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Also, a small list of things Tool aren't:
Original, innovative, particularly clever, metal.
... survivable ...
If you've played with a bassist who idolized any fart put out by TOOL you've seen hell.
I had to kill him.
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What the hell is wrong with White Pony? It's a great album.
I remember when that album came out and everyone was shitting themselves because "OMG DEFTONES!" I was listening to the radio, and the guy announced that they were going to play some Deftones, so I was all excited, because everyone was talking about how good they were. I was severely underwhelmed. If the rest of the album is better, then there's nothing wrong with it, but if it isn't, then it's boring.
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Seriously, I listened to more metal bands last week than most of you guys, with some noble exceptions, have in your life-times.
That's true for me at least.
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Seriously, I listened to more metal bands last week than most of you guys, with some noble exceptions, have in your life-times.
You've probably listened to more bands than I will in my whole life, period.
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I'm going to bitch about a different band entirely. What the fuck, Anthrax? You guys had one decent song in the nineties, so I downloaded a lot of your albums. Why do they all suck? You had my hopes up, you guys.
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Anyway, I downloaded the new cd, and its alright. Its cool that they released a new cd, but its every other cd. Not that I don't enjoy it, its just...
Anyone heard Third Eye Open? After listening to them, I found I like Tool better when its not Tool.
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What you had with Anthrax I had with Slayer.
EDIT: Also, I have no idea what he's doing to cause it, but the solos Slayer does always lure me into PURE INDIGNANT RAGE.
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When talking to tool fans, I always say "I'll admit that they're talented musicians, but it's just not what I'm into."
this does two things:
1. it makes them not try to talk about it to me much more, and
2. makes them not go "WJAT YUO DON'T LEIK TOOL, I KILL YOU" that happens when you say "I hate tool, tool sucks! your mother's a whore because you like tool!" (my natural reaction to tool fans.)
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What you had with Anthrax I had with Slayer.
EDIT: Also, I have no idea what he's doing to cause it, but the solos Slayer does always lure me into PURE INDIGNANT RAGE.
It's because Kerry King is a fucking shithead and instead of actually soloing decides to play as many notes up and down the fretboard as possible and it's stupid as fuck.
Also I realy like Anthrax. Really. Like, I've totally overplayed my tape copy of Persistance of Time to the point where it's just about to crumble into dust.
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that happens when you say "I hate tool, tool sucks! your mother's a whore because you like tool!" (my natural reaction to tool fans.)
Why waste time with indignant, misspelled rage, when I could kick you in the junk?
There must be a lot of realy obnoxious Tool fans where you guys live though, because almost all the Tool fans I know are pretty awesome, reasonable people that don't really care if you like Tool or not, because you know, personal taste and all that.
This disdain for Tool fans based on their fanboy obsession is a little alien to me.
Also, I actually listened to the album. Its definatly weird. I was pretty drunk, so I might be wrong, but it seems like there are a few good songs, and quite a few unmemorable ones. I remember thinking at several points during Rosetta Stoned "This is an awesome song!" and "This song bores the shit out of me" and I didn't realize they were the same song untill it was finished. "The Pot" is also pretty awesome too, despite the fact that the opening vocal melody sounds terrible.
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What you had with Anthrax I had with Slayer.
EDIT: Also, I have no idea what he's doing to cause it, but the solos Slayer does always lure me into PURE INDIGNANT RAGE.
Kerry King never bothered to learn the concept of scales, and that not staying within them makes a solo sound like utter shit.
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So basically: KIDS, LEARN YOUR SCALES OR I WILL TOTALLY FUCKING PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE
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Kerry King's solos are far worse live. It is possible, trust me. Even my friends who like Slayer hated seeing them live.
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Kerry King's solos are far worse live.
He's got more than one now?
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Technically, when your solos are just random notes, every one will be different.
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Yeah, but you can basically all clump them in a pile called "SOLOS THAT WILL GET YOU A SWIFT FUCKING PUNCH IN THE FACE. LEARN YOUR SCALES KIDDIES".
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I think Maynard is the fuckin bee's pajamas, but that's just me. I love his voice, and I think his songwriting abilities are sorely underrated.
Do I think they're the best band EVAR OMG... No. Hell, I think APC is tons better than Tool and they're not even my fav band. Are they good? I think so. I also think Maynard's singing talents aren't being appreciated as they should.
I've never considered Tool metal. Prog industrial rock maybe, but not heavy metal.
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Why waste time with indignant, misspelled rage, when I could kick you in the junk?
SHIT DOODS, look out! It's internet tough guy!
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I just heard the new song on the radio today... thought it was pretty good. Definitely a fresh break from Fallout Boy, Papa Roach, and Panic! At the Disco.
God... why so much hate?!?! Why can't you just let people who like Tool like Tool... or any other band for that matter??
Music is there for enjoying, not for criticizing and being such a lame ass hater about. Enjoy what you feel and leave it at that... is it fashionable to be so uptight about music on here or something?
And I don't get the broad generalizations you guys use here. You think everyone who likes Tool is so fascinated by their artwork and philosophy and thinks they're the super shit of the musical world? That's fucking stupid. Are most of you in high school or stuck in that mindset or something?
I like all of Tool's stuff pretty well and I've never even heard of Mike Patton, Townsend, or Ayreon... and I think Dream Theater is whack. Tool isn't metal.... at all. Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, Mastodon and Children of Bodom are metal and sound nothing like Tool.
I've only ever known one person in my 23 years of life that I could categorize as a Tool fanatic and he pretty much kept to himself. That guy was weird. Everyone else just thought they were a good rock band that didn't put out the standard pop bullshit.
I don't think it's the Tool fans that are pretentious. Take a look in the mirror, guys. The only people who surf band websites all the time still live with their parents.
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OH MAN HE PLAYED THE "STILL LIVES IN THEIR PARENTS BASEMENT CARD". WHAT WILL HE DO NEXT?!?!?!?111one
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Guys, guys why can't we just get along and skull fuck each other in harmony?
Peace, love and skullfucking!
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Are there enough skulls for everybody to fuck one or do we have to share?
COULD GOD MAKE A SKULL SO BIG EVEN HE COULDN'T FUCK IT?
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OH MAN HE PLAYED THE "STILL LIVES IN THEIR PARENTS BASEMENT CARD". WHAT WILL HE DO NEXT?!?!?!?111one
Do you entertain yourself like this with everyone that disagrees with you?
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I'm just being a prick, actually. And, to my knowledge, I actually haven't said anything about Tool in this thread. At all. Do I like them? No. I think they're boring. I didn't say anything because it's already been said. SO YEAH. TAKE THAT.
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What you had with Anthrax I had with Slayer.
EDIT: Also, I have no idea what he's doing to cause it, but the solos Slayer does always lure me into PURE INDIGNANT RAGE.
Kerry King never bothered to learn the concept of scales, and that not staying within them makes a solo sound like utter shit.
I really need to learn scales. I've been trying to teach myself guitar, but it's hard. I don't want to go to a teacher because, well, I like figuring things out for myself, but I'm missing so much damn music theory.
In my defense, I've basically just been noodling around out of boredom and not really playing for a year now. I don't intend to start a 'serious' band or whatever.
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Are there enough skulls for everybody to fuck one or do we have to share?
I ain't sharing a skull with no Tool haters! I'd rather shoot knuckle babies into a fucking canyon!
I'm just being a prick, actually. And, to my knowledge, I actually haven't said anything about Tool in this thread. At all. Do I like them? No. I think they're boring. I didn't say anything because it's already been said. SO YEAH. TAKE THAT.
Can't.... take..... it!!!! BELLIGERANT..... RAGE..... BREWING......
FUCK!!!
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Kids, let this be a lesson to you. Don't listen to Tool, or you are going to wind up ushering in a new era of paranoia, and fear of the total destruction of our species.
(Also, scales are hella easy. Its the only thing I was capable of teaching myself on guitar. I remembered from piano lessons as a kid that A minor and C major have no sharps or flats, worked off a mental image of a piano, and figured out the basic scale structure for every major and minor scale from there. Of course, its completely useless if you don't know about chord structure, and what makes a decent guitar part, but hey, at least I can play the 12 bar blues)
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I basically just look up tabs and play other peoples songs. That's it.
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I know a lot of scales from memory, but that's only because I play symphonic music, so it's kind of necessary. Not as necessary as playing jazz, of course, but after 3 years of it, I've absorbed a lot unconsciously.
Kerry King, you've been making 'music' for over 20 FUCKING YEARS. You have no excuse.
And even if you were decent, Testament would still kick your band's ass.
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I haven't heard the new Tool yet, but I have a sad feeling it'll turn out like the latest NIN and be a little disappointing...
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...is it fashionable to be so uptight about music on here or something?
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ding ding ding! We have a winner! Seriously, that's why we call them hipsters.
But honestly, I haven't heard any legitimate proof on this thread yet for why Tool is a bad band other than "Their fans are insufferably pretentious". To this I have two retorts:
A) Why care that other people like this band? Is is so horrible that people might, I don't know, actually enjoy music?
B) You are the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. There are plenty of people on here who are extremely pretentious about the bands they listen to (be honest with yourselves), and would retaliate quite unfavorably if I blashphemed about the bands that -they- like.
As for my assertion that Tool is a metal band, here is why I think this way:
1) They fit extremely poorly when compared to other mainstream rock acts, so I wouldn't call them that.
2) The instrumentals are fairly technical or sometimes wierd, traits of most (good) metal bands.
3) The extremeties of emotion: either absolute distopia or utopian hope, are common themes in metal lyrics.
The only real argument you could make against Tool as a metal band is the abscense of growling as the vocal style, which just seems superficial to me anyway. Growled vocals do not make a good metal band in and of themselves.
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God... why so much hate?!?! Why can't you just let people who like Tool like Tool... or any other band for that matter??
ZOMG, I TOTALLY HATE TOOL AND COULDN'T EVER LISTEN TO THEM, EVEN IF SOMEONE HELD A GUN TO MY HEAD! There, now your comments about us passionately hating Tool are justified. Seriously, I don't think any of us are actively angry about Tool. I'm mostly indifferent. I dislike them because I think they're boring, but I don't go out and yell at everyone who likes Tool.
And I don't get the broad generalizations you guys use here. You think everyone who likes Tool is so fascinated by their artwork and philosophy and thinks they're the super shit of the musical world? That's fucking stupid. Are most of you in high school or stuck in that mindset or something?
Okay, I'll admit that when I left high school many moons ago, the number of pseudo-intellectual dipshit Tool fans dropped off severly. I have since met three people whom I know to be Tool fans. That's right, total number I've met since leaving high school.
Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, Mastodon
...Um...Yeah...
I don't think it's the Tool fans that are pretentious. Take a look in the mirror, guys. The only people who surf band websites all the time still live with their parents.
Oh lordy! I'm pretentious because I like music that's interesting!
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But honestly, I haven't heard any legitimate proof on this thread yet for why Tool is a bad band other than "Their fans are insufferably pretentious".
I'm pretty sure that "They're boring and totally not worth talking about at all" came up a couple times.
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Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, Mastodon
...Um...Yeah...
I was also going to remark on this, but really couldn't be arsed.
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that's kind of funny that he picked the three most popular metalcore bands to encompass metal.
also; tool suck. their fans suck. are the responsible for one another? maybe, but they suck due to their own personal demerits. also, tool aren't metal, niether is being "technical," and nobody said they sounded like MAINSTREAM rock, and in fact the opposite, being "alternative" (maybe google define it) rock. many metal bands dont have a growly singer. tool just aren't metal. their music, quite simply, is not metal.
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ding ding ding! We have a winner! Seriously, that's why we call them hipsters.
NO, THEY CALL US HIPSTERS CAUSE WE'RE SO DAMN HIP!!!
*strut*
HECK YEAH!
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Tool doesn't suck because Maynard doesn't suck. I don't give a shit about Tool "fans." I can't even possibly begin to think of a reason to judge a band based on its fans.
Boring is such a stupid stupid "reason" why a band sucks. What's boring to you is not boring to others. I personally think pretty much all metal is boring but I'm not going to say metal sucks because I know it's just not my thing. I prefer people who can sing as opposed to scream really loud.
It takes all kinds, folks. Don't drop the suck card unless you're willing to back it up with cold hard facts as opposed to "boring."
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Maynard is so overhyped I want to stuff my balls into his mouth so it can start doing something productive. seriously. shit. band. Tool, along with Radiohead, have the worst fans, because they adamantly RAGE on people who don't think they're the greatest shit ever. If it weren't the case I wouldn't be adamantly raging against this tool machine. and for the record, Maynard is a pretentious douchebag who has done some of the shittiest work I can think of (Thirteenth Step, eMotive, Lateralus) and I think his voice is pretty dull.
But that's funny you should mention screaming because half the time anyone mentions how OMFG GOOD maynard is they bring up that stupid 8 minute scream he does. I prefer just about any prog-rock band to tool, i don't dislike prog-rock. i dislike tool. and maynard for that matter.
FACT(since you wanted "facts" as to why my opinion is Tool/Maynard sucks): Thirteenth Step, eMotive, and half of Tool's catelogue, is poo.
Also, Maynard singing real nice over a shitty band doesn't make them a good band.
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I prefer people who can sing as opposed to scream really loud.
Candlemass - Mirror Mirror (http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=27SZ4SLH6ZLV02NPLB7NTYK9YU)
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(Also, scales are hella easy. Its the only thing I was capable of teaching myself on guitar. I remembered from piano lessons as a kid that A minor and C major have no sharps or flats, worked off a mental image of a piano, and figured out the basic scale structure for every major and minor scale from there. Of course, its completely useless if you don't know about chord structure, and what makes a decent guitar part, but hey, at least I can play the 12 bar blues)
Scales are actually rather hard, because there's a lot of them. You've got your major scale. Fine. Then you've got your church modes from that major scale. Okay, just different positions and starting notes. Not too bad. Now throw in melodic minor. Don't forget harmonic minor. Oh, and then there's the octatonic/diminished scale (only three of these) and the whole tone/hexatonic scale (two of them, fortunately). Let's not forget exotic scales, too. The more scales you know, the better your solos will be. So get cracking!
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Weird, I thought Thirteenth Step was fucking awesome. But, that's just me.
PS: Maynard barely had anything to do with Emotive. That was mainly the brain child of another member of APC.
What you consider pretentious I consider willing to try new things. Some work some don't, but I'll take "The Nurse Who Loved Me" over a good number of basic rock tunes.
Edit: Khar, I tried that song out. Interesting... the lead singer sounds straight out of bad hair metal (The Darkness wishes it was this bad...) compared with what sounds like death metal lyrics. Enh. Not my thing. As a trained vocalist, I have trouble really liking the yodel-singing done by hair metal lead singers. It works for its genre, but it's not my thing.
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You want a good goddamned singer, go with James LaBrie from Dream Theater. He's the best popular music singer I've ever heard.
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I like all of Tool's stuff pretty well and I've never even heard of Mike Patton, Townsend, or Ayreon... and I think Dream Theater is whack.
(http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2001/20010119h.jpg)
Get rid of the first panel, replace "Metroid" with "The Glass Prison", "Nintendo" with "Dream Theater", and "Daily Radar" with "Tool".
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Weird, I thought Thirteenth Step was fucking awesome. But, that's just me.
I thought it was rejected tracks from Lateralus.
PS: Maynard barely had anything to do with Emotive. That was mainly the brain child of another member of APC.
Maynard took over that band after Mer De Noms (which I actually really enjoy) and whether he can be blamed for it, he was still a part of that godawful racket.
What you consider pretentious I consider willing to try new things. Some work some don't, but I'll take "The Nurse Who Loved Me" over a good number of basic rock tunes.
Considering that's a cover, it's not saying much, Failure's version was better, too.
PS; James LaBrie fucking SUCKS. He can't hit a single one of those notes live. Not to mention I've never been so annoyed with him. Dream Theater are pretty decent, (although their new album is a piece of crap, sad to say) but for the amazingly talented guys they are, they really need to work on songwriting. Who am I to judge these guys? I dont know, the target audience they're trying to sell to.
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PS; James LaBrie fucking SUCKS. He can't hit a single one of those notes live.
Man, then you must have caught them on a bad night, because when I saw them live, he was a lot better than I expected.
And I like their new album. Sure, Never Enough was terrible, but Panic Attack, The Root of All Evil, and Sacrificed Sons are great, and the title track is starting to grow on me. I like the fact that they tried to diversify their sound a bit too.
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The more scales you know, the better your solos will be. So get cracking!
Man, it is a good thing that I am actually just a terrible bassist, rather than an aspiring guitarist, because I am getting pretty good at just playing behind a wanky, self-absorbed guitarist. Also, it is also probably kind of helpful I am getting lessons from a dude who is pretty much one of the few shred bassist maestros out there.
Also, I cry when people go around giving shit to Dream Theater. I know they are wanky as fuck, thats not the point. For fucks sake, their singers name more or less means "The Cheese"
That doesn't meant that Rudess doesn't kick total arse in everything he's done with DT.
(P.S. THESE WALLS)
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Boring is such a stupid stupid "reason" why a band sucks. What's boring to you is not boring to others.
Don't drop the suck card unless you're willing to back it up with cold hard facts as opposed to "boring."
Um, I'm pretty sure it's my opinion that I think they're boring and I don't want to listen to them? I don't know about you, but it's kind of hard to back up why I think they're boring with "cold hard facts". They're just boring to me. That's pretty much it, and I think that's a perfectly valid reason not to listen to them and to not like them.
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THEY ARE ONLY BORING BECAUSE YOU HAVENT EVOLVED PAST THAT THING THAT TOOL TALKED ABOUT IN THAT ONE SONG, YOU KNOW, THE ONE ABOUT CHROMASONES AND HOW PEOPLE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, EVOLVE PAST THEM.
Oh god. I have become that guy. That guy who for whom sarcasm leaves no discernable trace of its fucking existance. Sorry, guys.
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I AM SO SORRY I AM TOO PRIMITIVE
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DAMN RIGHT. MAYBE YOU CAN BE ONE OF US, IF YOU FOLLOW THE TOOL PRESCRIPTION THOUGH. THE FIRST PRESCRIPTION IS THAT YOU LET A GUY JAM HIS HAND UP YOUR ARSE. IT IS PRETTY MUCH UPTO YOU AFTER THAT, BECAUSE EWWWW
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That pretty much wins the thread right there.
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Irish Whiskey wins pretty much everything.
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Guys, why the fuck is this thread still going?
This is turning out to be the "heavy metal" thread, just not as funny.
Cut it out, youre making my brain hurt.
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HAMMERFALL
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GAH!
*brain assplodes*
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Um, I'm pretty sure it's my opinion that I think they're boring and I don't want to listen to them? I don't know about you, but it's kind of hard to back up why I think they're boring with "cold hard facts". They're just boring to me. That's pretty much it, and I think that's a perfectly valid reason not to listen to them and to not like them.
It is a perfectly valid reason to not listen to them. But is it a perfectly valid reason to say they suck? Not really. Anywho, I see this is just getting out of hand. I just wanted to defend Maynard a little as I freaking love APC. (Tool I like but not near as much as I like APC.) And yes, Lateralus pretty much bores me to death too. It's easily their worst album.
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I'm pretty sure it is a valid reason to say they suck, just as you saying you don't like the metal screaming is a valid reason why the entire genre sucks. (which, by the way, is generally pretty retarded, since metal is such an absurdly vast genre with so many different styles and to write the entire thing off because of one certain thing is pretty dumb)
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PS; James LaBrie fucking SUCKS. He can't hit a single one of those notes live. Not to mention I've never been so annoyed with him. Dream Theater are pretty decent, (although their new album is a piece of crap, sad to say) but for the amazingly talented guys they are, they really need to work on songwriting. Who am I to judge these guys? I dont know, the target audience they're trying to sell to.
He's easily my favorite part of Dream Theater, and I only listen to the songs that rock more than they prog, because Dream Theater is really bad at prog. I blame Portnoy for being an entirely mediocre drummer, mainly. I still don't think any of the other members are really good enough, compositionally, to actually write a reasonable prog album. If I want prog, I'm going to listen to some guys who can really pull it off and make it sound good. If I want to rock, I'm going to listen to Dream Theater. Also, their new album is one of the first where there are whole songs on which they don't try too hard. Also, everyone has to admit it better your solowas better than the music holocaust that was Train of Thought. "We wrote it in three weeks!" Maybe if they'd spent longer on it, it would have been good.
That doesn't meant that Rudess doesn't kick total arse in everything he's done with DT.
They need Moore back, or even Sherenian. Rudess just doesn't fit their style at all. Probably because, if I recall correctly, he doesn't like metal. Hard to write in a genre you don't like. They also need to stop those stupid unison licks. All it's doing is showing that they can play in unison really fast. It rarely ever benefits the song.
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hate to break it to you guys, but:
a) tool is the best band ever in the history of music. ever.
b) godsmack can lick MY taint.
c) pearl jam are the biggest assholes in the music industry.
may the last two bands mentioned get killed collectively in a fiery plane crash. fuck them. and fuck you all. tool wins. humanity loses.
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p.s. the new album is their best to date. stick that in your arse holes and get killed. go listen to green day hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa.
p.s.s. anyone who says tool OR the new record isn't good, you're wrong. i don't care who you are. you are wrong. i'm right.
i am the final word.
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ZOMG! The third page has entered BIZZARO MUSIC TASTE! Your second post is the best. Your first one wasn't funny at all.
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ZOMG! The third page has entered BIZZARO MUSIC TASTE! Your second post is the best. Your first one wasn't funny at all.
i wasn't trying to be funny in the first post. maybe a little in the second post.
the first post was me informing all the naysayers that they are wrong. plain and simple.
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Oh man. Those two posts are pretty hilarious (I'm assuming that's unintentional, but *shrug*)
BUT I SHOULDN'T BE SAYING THAT HE IS THE FINAL WORD HE WILL SEND HIS SEECRET POLICE OVER TO MY HOUSE AND THEY WILL BEAT ME UP LIKE BIG BROTHER OLOLOLZ OH MAN GREEN DAY HUMANITY LOSES BOOM HEADSHOT
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i wasn't trying to be funny in the first post. maybe a little in the second post.
the first post was me informing all the naysayers that they are wrong. plain and simple.
Oh come on. That is probably one of the more ironic posts I've ever seen. Are you telling me it's serious? Though, your grammar tells me that you were possibly being serious. I'm actually kind of disappointed.
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p.s. the new album is their best to date. stick that in your arse holes and get killed. go listen to green day hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa.
The irony is that the few Tool fans I know actually do.
Listen to Green Day, that is.
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Edit: Khar, I tried that song out. Interesting... the lead singer sounds straight out of bad hair metal (The Darkness wishes it was this bad...) compared with what sounds like death metal lyrics. Enh. Not my thing. As a trained vocalist, I have trouble really liking the yodel-singing done by hair metal lead singers. It works for its genre, but it's not my thing.
1: This is REALLY not hair metal.
2: I'm willing to bet Messiah Marcolin has had more vocal training than you.
3:Okay, you want severe pretension? You don't want 'yodelling'? Arcturus - Alone (http://download.yousendit.com/89B56BF160790911)
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Arcturus are pretty much the best ever.
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You dotn know yodelling until you've heard Focus. Hocus Pocus.
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hate to break it to you guys, but:
a) tool is the best band ever in the history of music. ever.
b) godsmack can lick MY taint.
c) pearl jam are the biggest assholes in the music industry.
may the last two bands mentioned get killed collectively in a fiery plane crash. fuck them. and fuck you all. tool wins. humanity loses.
YES! THE UNKOWN MAN FROM THE INTERNET HAS SPOKEN. THIS IS ALL THE PROOF WE NEED.
WE CAN NOW SAFLY CLOSE THIS FORUM BECAUSE TALKING ABOUT OTHER MUSIC AFTER THAT INSIGHTFUL POST IS USELESS.
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NOW THAT HE HAS SPOKEN, LET'S WANDER AROUND THE DESERT FOR A COUPLE YEARS
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I CALL MOSES SHOTGUN!
HELL YEAH.
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Kai, I went out of my way to NOT say that metal sucks. Because I don't think it does. I think most of it just isn't for me is all.
Khar, I'm sorry if I sounded confrontational. Didn't mean to insult the band you linked to. As for Arcturus, I recognize the musical talent, but it's just not for me.
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I've officially listened to every Anthrax song known to man to try to find that one song from the nineties that didn't sound horrible. They sound like a Slayer cover band. I want to die so much right now.
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Oh, right. I read the translation of Die Eir Von Satan off of Aenima recently, and I have a newfound respect for Tool:
The Eggs of Satan
Half a cup of powdered sugar
One quarter teaspoo salt
One knifetip Turkish hash
Half a pound butter
One teaspoon vanilla-sugar
Half a pound flour
150 g ground nuts
A little extra powdered sugar
... and no eggs
Place in a bowl
Add butter
Add the ground nuts and
Knead the dough
Form eyeball-size pieces from the dough
Roll in the powdered sugar
and say the Magic Words:
"Sim sala bim bamba sala do saladim"
Place on a greased baking pan and
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...AND NO EGGS
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...and no eggs.
PS: DONGZ LOL DICK COCK WANG FAG
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WOAH MISASOMETHINGOROTHERIDON'TWANTTOLOOKUPHISNAME GOT SIGQUOTED'D
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I've officially listened to every Anthrax song known to man to try to find that one song from the nineties that didn't sound horrible. They sound like a Slayer cover band. I want to die so much right now.
The one problem with Antrhax sounding like a Slayer cover band is that their songs don't suck nearly as hard as Slayer's. I'd actually be really impressed if they did, and still somehow managed to make it. I'm not actually familiar with Anthrax much, but I did see them open for Priest (with Ripper) and lost a lot of respect for them when their vocalist got a guy thrown out because he flicked off the vocalist. What the fuck?
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I have the solution to the Slayer vs. Anthrax debate:
Listen to Testament.
That is all.
(BB's right, Slayer blows)
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Man, that's your solution to fucking everything.
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It worked, didn't it?
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NOW THAT HE HAS SPOKEN, LET'S WANDER AROUND THE DESERT FOR A COUPLE YEARS
MESCAL DESERT WANDERING PARTY!!!
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just to add my 2 cents (because they're useless in australia, and have been for well over a decade)...
I like Tool. I've only managed to hear Vicarious from their latest album, due to my inability to be a pirate at the moment. I wish their guitarist would learn a different riff. It seriously sounds like a blend of about 3 of their previous songs, and different lyrics. If their whole album sounds like that, i'd rather stick with lateralus.
I haven't heard of 2 of the 3 groups that were mentioned as the next step in fanboyism, but Dream Theater makes me wish I hadn't stopped taking drugs, because their stuff is too odd for me. Or maybe it's just the album "awake"s fault.
Overrated band --> Mars Volta. I'm sorry people, but to me, 15 minutes of dischordant needling does not a song make.
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THE CORRECT TERM IS NOODLING GAWD
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I love me some discordant noodling.
The person on the radio, when mentioning that the new tool album had leaked said that she used to like tool, and that the new album was (positive adjectives but said in a way that made it sound like it was kinda crap). This is exactly how I felt after hearing one of the singles. IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A 10 MINUTE SONG AT LEAST MAKE IT A GOOD TEN MINUTES.
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Hey, longer song = more epic!
Or am I thinking of a different genre here?
I'm a firm believer in that Maynard should stop writing his own stuff and instead join Alice In Chains. Did you hear their benefit show where he did a couple of songs? Glee. I swear, if anyone can stand up to the pressure of following up to Layne Staley, it's him. Especially since he's already famous.
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Is to simplistic and naive to be all "people have different tastes and just because their tastes are different to yours doesn't mean they suck" ?
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No, but it is completely redundant. That's like saying, "well, that's just your opinion" when someone says "<insert band here> sucks". I mean, he/she wrote it. Whose opinion do you think it is? It's one of those things that everyone knows and therefore assumes they don't have to write it down every post. Of course, someone always comes along and has to type it because he or she is indignant about their band being criticised.
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(http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/2451/opinion18fw.gif)
Any time you say something sucks around someone who disagrees, they try to validate their taste in shitty music/movies/clothing by reminding you that you still only speak for yourself, as if their opinions are in jeopardy of being monopolized by your own. Everyone already knows it's my opinion by virtue of the fact that I said it, no need to restate the obvious you dopey twat.
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Shit. I said something Maddox also said.
I sold out. :(
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DUN DUNN DUNNNN!!!
Also, I sat around last night and listened to the new Tool. I was dissapointed, needless to say.
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I just love this new Tool album. Waited for it for 5 long years and I'm more than pleased with it. And I also think it's a good idea that it's just not "a new Lateralus" but they have somewhat progressed with their music. But hey, that's just my opinion, who cares! ;)
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Tool is the bottom rung of pretentious heavy music. When a Tool fan gets too pretentious, or older than 15, he gets into Mike Patton idolisation. Then, the paths bifurcate. Some go to Devin Townsend, some to Dream Theater, a few to Ayreon.
Also, a small list of things Tool aren't:
Original, innovative, particularly clever, metal.
Uhm...heh. I'd venture to say that the music occasionally has some degree of emotion to it.
Unlike Dream Theater. Every DT song I have ever heard has struck me as utterly lifeless and dull. I do not honestly give a shit that Petrucci can play 16th notes at 400 BPM or do tapping solos with his wang or whatever it is that he specializes in. It may make him edgy with the crowd of teenage males who practice shred drills in their bedroom all day, seemingly dispersing only to post about their hot love for him on message boards. But honestly, I have yet to hear an emotionally captivating Dream Theater song. Feel free to make an attempt at converting me, if you will.
Tool propelled my interests in music a lot at an early age. Yeah, Maynard's pointlessly obscure philosophical banter is annoying, and everything. I just don't get all the hatred towards them.
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Every DT song I have ever heard has struck me as utterly lifeless and dull. I do not honestly give a shit that Petrucci can play 16th notes at 400 BPM or do tapping solos with his wang or whatever it is that he specializes in. It may make him edgy with the crowd of teenage males who practice shred drills in their bedroom all day, seemingly dispersing only to post about their hot love for him on message boards. But honestly, I have yet to hear an emotionally captivating Dream Theater song. Feel free to make an attempt at converting me, if you will.
Tool propelled my interests in music a lot at an early age. Yeah, Maynard's pointlessly obscure philosophical banter is annoying, and everything. I just don't get all the hatred towards them.
Your point is valid. DT is over-hyped and not really any good. And Tool are a lot on the pretentious side too ...
I actually feel that the hatred is not so much focused on Tool but on their fans. And I have to say ... tool-fans in my experience are the people who invented 400bpm wang-solos.
Mind you, I'm sure that not every Tool fan is a wang-soloing, pretentious twat. But it's just the ones I know, personally, are ...
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Why has this thread turned into Tool versus Dream Theater? It's like pokemon, but with bands with annoying, obsessive fans.
Also, groupies? KRIEG!
...where are my blowjobs?
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Why has this thread turned into Tool versus Dream Theater? It's like pokemon, but with bands with annoying, obsessive fans.
Also, groupies? KRIEG!
...where are my blowjobs?
Not that kind of groupie. Trust me.
Come to think of it ... DT fans are usually quite annoying too. Is there a sub-genre called annoying metal?
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TOOL AREN'T METAL FFFRSSSHHH. >_<
There's definitely a subgenre of annoying fans around in the worlds of metal, prog and related, 'heavy' styles. They will be people entirely obsessed with one band and its side projects, or a certain musicians work across many projects. Bands most often honoured by such fans generally include:
Tool/APC (Maynard James Keenan)
Dream Theater/Liquid Tension Experiment/Explorers Club
Nine Inch Nails
Mr. Bungle/Fantomas/Faith No More/etc. (Mike Patton)
The Dillinger Escape Plan
Ayreon/Ambeon/Star One (Arjen Lucassen)
Strapping Young Lad/Devin Townsend Band (Devin Townsend)
At The Drive In/The Mars Volta
Edge of Sanity/Dan Swano's Moontower/Nightingale/ETC. (Dan Swano)
I'm sure a mental picture of the type of person I mean is already emerging. I'm not knocking all fans of these groups by the way, I own excessive amounts of albums by a good few of them. It's just...well, I think you know what I mean.
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I like Patton
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My apologies Kai, i'm musically inept.
But in fairness, the term "noodling" doesn't describe just how sharp and painful the notes that Mars Volta torture out of their instruments are to my fragile, spongelike brain.
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I'll have you guys know that I listen to Dream Theater specifically because of the emotion behind the music. If you can listen to Awake without being at least somewhat affected emotionally, then I contend that you are dead. I hate it when Dream Theater tries to be proggy and technical, because they're HORRIBLE at it. Seriously. They just don't have the musicianship or musical ability to successfully pull off prog. All of their odd time signature bits seem incredibly forced, and their long unison passages are stupid and pointless.
If you wan't prog that's well-done and sounds good, go for Planet X.
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ok all you music pirates, (ahoy) 10000 days has officially leaked onto the internet. Its awesomeness could not be hidden any longer. IT IS AMAZING BY THE WAY. Happy hunting, wish ya the best of luck...
Oh, happy hunting! That's nice, why won't you be a dear and share it with the rest of us? (Besides the illegal aspect of that...)
Well, May 2 is nearing, so it's not really much of a wait.
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Oh man. That avatar is hilarious. The irony!
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Edit: Khar, I tried that song out. Interesting... the lead singer sounds straight out of bad hair metal (The Darkness wishes it was this bad...) compared with what sounds like death metal lyrics. Enh. Not my thing. As a trained vocalist, I have trouble really liking the yodel-singing done by hair metal lead singers. It works for its genre, but it's not my thing.
1: This is REALLY not hair metal.
2: I'm willing to bet Messiah Marcolin has had more vocal training than you.
3:Okay, you want severe pretension? You don't want 'yodelling'? Arcturus - Alone (http://download.yousendit.com/89B56BF160790911)
Wow, that Arcturus band is awesome, thanks for introducing them to me, KharBevNor. Do you know any other bands that sound like that?
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Come to think of it ... DT fans are usually quite annoying too. Is there a sub-genre called annoying metal?
Man, I quite like both those bands, and I'm kind of fond of NIN. I must be one of the most annoying people ever. No wonder that guy beat me with a metal toilet seat last week.
I don't actually get the whole "Dream Theater have no emotion to their music" thing, but apparently a lot of people think the same thing, so I guess they're just a damn extreme example of "a Take it, or leave it" band. And I think I am pretty safe against the whole "Petrucci fanboy" syndrome, because I seriously do not know what the hell tremelo picking is. Apparently it is one of those things that other fans jerk off to, because it is the thing he does better than God. I still maintain the best reasons to listen to Dream Theater are the goddamned honky tonk keyboard solos
Also, Khar, you forgot Rush fans. We Rush fans are also obnoxious jerks as well. I just thought I'd point that out while you're crushing my soul
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Wow, that Arcturus band is awesome, thanks for introducing them to me, KharBevNor. Do you know any other bands that sound like that?
Try Borknagar, Vintersorg and to a lesser extent Ulver (hit and miss that you'll find something quite like that from them. Not hit and miss that they will be consistently awesome).
The post-black metal scene is generally just awesome.
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I still maintain the best reasons to listen to Dream Theater are the goddamned honky tonk keyboard solos
Those bits piss me off because they're just in there to be different, it seems. It's like when people dress up crazily, and it's obvious that they're doing it just to get attention. I die a bunch inside when everybody fawn all over them. I will contend to my dying day that the best reason to listen to Dream Theater is James LaBrie, the singer. I seriously want to have his children, and I don't even care if that's possible. Even discounting how high he goes, he has such an incredible control over his voice, the vibrato and everything.
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I listen to, and enjoy, both Tool and Dream Theater. I also listen to, and enjoy, a lot of other music.
Does this make me a pretentious, annoying fan?
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Man, I love Labrie as well, but it is funny as hell watching him have a teste blowout. At one point during 6.00 on the Awake DVD, he just has the biggest blowie you've ever heard. I put that one bit on repeat and watched it for ten minutes.
Although personally if we are going to be serious here, my favorite thing about Dream Theater is Myung. His bass playing is just fucking perfect, and never makes any attempt to be showy for the sheer hell of it, which makes him pretty much the most unique member of the band.
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That is something with which I agree. I don't necessarily like everything he does (a lot of the tapping stuff I think sounds kind of silly), but he's never out there being all "look at me!"
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lol tool sucks............
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oh silly me and all this time i was thinking that the name tool just meant tools, NOT A BAND. I guess now I can stop thinking of "that new tool song" as being hammers and anvils, LOL
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First, bloody hell that's a huge avatar.
Second, James LaBrie oversings so horribly on occasion it makes my head spin much like the little girl from the Excorcist. In fact all the traits of supposed Tool fans mentioned in this here thread went double for all the Dream Theater fans back in my own high school.
I quite enjoyed Mike Patton's work with Lovage, though most of that is probably due to Dan the Automator and Jennifer Charles working with him.
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I am going to openly admit that I got the new albumn today and squealed with glee as i ripped off the plastic packaging and flipped through the AWESOME visuals that accompany the albumn ... you get special glasses that make everything look hella trippy and the sound is crisp and fresha nd lush and toolishly good
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Yeah, the CD case is the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen a CD come in. And I can't figure out why in the pairs of pictures, they have these incredibly subtle, almost unnoticable differences between each picture. I love the album, but I'm starting to think that Tool have gone over the deep end.
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For me the biggest problem with Tool is not that they are particularly bad, but that their fans think they are the most amazing prog band ever, and absolutely worship Maynard. In reality they are a unique but still fairly average musically prog alternative rock band.
This is basically what everyone has been saying. Same goes for a lot of Dream Theater fans.
PS Since when has Mastodon been metalcore?
PPS Everytime someone writes DT in reference to Dream Theater, I think Dark Tranquillity. I like them more. They aren't incredibly virtuosic, but they write good songs.
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...and the ability to write a song, you know, head and a tail and all, is overlooked in prog-circles, I find.
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PPS Everytime someone writes DT in reference to Dream Theater, I think Dark Tranquillity. I like them more. They aren't incredibly virtuosic, but they write good songs.
Yahr, same. It confuzzles the hell out of me.
Lets now talk about how The Gallery is better than Tools entire discography.
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Exactly...
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I wrote exactly in reference to BeoPuppy's observation about prog songwriting...but it refers equally to what you said Khar...the Gallery is mindblowing...
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Mastodon is real metal, but they are inexplicably lumped in with metalcore, and thus sell records despite being a good band. Go figure.
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Gah, after 4 pages of this, my love of Tool is driving me to post in silly violent ways, but I shall do my best to be civil.
I discovered Tool one day while in MusicWorld, and I had the hankering to buy a cd...but i had no idea what. I was in my second year of highschool, and my friend brings over this weird looking cd, and says, how about this? I ask what its like, and he shrugs, having not actually heard it. so i take a chance, and buy the cd, and i love it.
that was Tools Aeneima(sp?)
now, before i start listing the ways in how Tool is like supar wiked! I shall say this instead. Tool has always appealed to me, and is the right band for my style. Tool may not be that same band for you, or you or you...Music is one of the most personal things known to man. I have never met anyone with 100% exactly the same taste in music. so my question is why is there so much fighting? I love Tool, you may not, thats cool. and at the very least, base opinions on the music, not what silly things that go on outside of it. thats how i staid a metallica fan....hahaha
now, I have seen Tool play live, and it was an interesting experience, and only validated my enjoyment. Conversely, I saw the Deftones, but I have never seen a bigger load of huey....despite the awesomeness of the album. it was unfortunate. But they were so aweful live that i just could not bring myself to continue to listen to them.
Music is a tricky thing folks...be true to what moves you...
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I refuse to believe this isn't a trick.
Science has led me to the conclusion that Tool fans are incapable of being reasonable
SCIENCE, YEAH.
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YEAH, SERIOUSLY
YOU CANNOT BE A TOOL FAN
YOU'RE OKAY WITH ME SAYING THEY'RE BATSHIT
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OF COURSE HE IS. HIS DECEPTION ONLY WORKS TO FURTHER CEMENT YOUR IRONCLAD OPINIONS AS FACT.
STONE-COLD
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(http://www.gibraltartrade.com/store/media/w_austin_steve.jpg)?
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HELLZ YEAH
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The new album should have been called "10,000 days since we made a good album"
Seriously, I don't even know how people can go "OH MY GOD TOOL ARE SO TALENTED" because while they're different than most bands I don't EVER think of them as better, or even good >_>
that's because you're an idiot.
shut up. I AM RIGHT.
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Oh man. That avatar is hilarious. The irony!
If you're talking to me, thanks!! =)
And yeah. *person abouv me whose name I forget* yes, you are right!
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I've liked Tool for some time now, I admit. I also admit that from what I've heard of the new album, it's been a disappointment. I like to see an artist grow and change, and from what I can tell, Tool just isn't doing that. So if boringess is an accusation to be leveled at Tool, now is an especially good time to make that argument. Now I may go on here to further label myself as a pretentious ass by saying that I find myself very pleased by a good bit of Mike Patton's work. He has an amazing voice and is able to handle a lot of diversity in the material he works on. As far as Devon Townsend and Dream Theater go, I've never liked them.
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I've liked Tool for some time now, I admit. I also admit that from what I've heard of the new album, it's been a disappointment. I like to see an artist grow and change, and from what I can tell, Tool just isn't doing that. So if boringess is an accusation to be leveled at Tool, now is an especially good time to make that argument. Now I may go on here to further label myself as a pretentious ass by saying that I find myself very pleased by a good bit of Mike Patton's work. He has an amazing voice and is able to handle a lot of diversity in the material he works on. As far as Devon Townsend and Dream Theater go, I've never liked them.
i don't see how tool hasn't grown and changed. especially since it's been 5 years since they put out an album. it is impossible to not grow and change in that time.
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I've liked Tool for some time now, I admit. I also admit that from what I've heard of the new album, it's been a disappointment. I like to see an artist grow and change, and from what I can tell, Tool just isn't doing that. So if boringess is an accusation to be leveled at Tool, now is an especially good time to make that argument. Now I may go on here to further label myself as a pretentious ass by saying that I find myself very pleased by a good bit of Mike Patton's work. He has an amazing voice and is able to handle a lot of diversity in the material he works on. As far as Devon Townsend and Dream Theater go, I've never liked them.
i don't see how tool hasn't grown and changed. especially since it's been 5 years since they put out an album. it is impossible to not grow and change in that time.
Then explain their latest album.
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I've liked Tool for some time now, I admit. I also admit that from what I've heard of the new album, it's been a disappointment. I like to see an artist grow and change, and from what I can tell, Tool just isn't doing that. So if boringess is an accusation to be leveled at Tool, now is an especially good time to make that argument. Now I may go on here to further label myself as a pretentious ass by saying that I find myself very pleased by a good bit of Mike Patton's work. He has an amazing voice and is able to handle a lot of diversity in the material he works on. As far as Devon Townsend and Dream Theater go, I've never liked them.
i don't see how tool hasn't grown and changed. especially since it's been 5 years since they put out an album. it is impossible to not grow and change in that time.
Then explain their latest album.
read again: IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO NOT GROW AND CHANGE IN 5 YEARS. that's why they haven't NOT grown and changed. the new album is a lot more personal. not to mention, they've managed to take aspects of EVERY ALBUM THEY'VE EVER PUT OUT, and at the same time, successfully have made something completely original from anything they've ever done, while still being able to make people say, "oh yeah, that's definitely tool."
don't ask me how they did it, i just know they did.
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Dude, chill out.
If you can't really off the top of your head note some pretty fair amount of change in your favorite band, chances are they're not changing. Especially for five years worth of time, you'd expect some pretty drastic changes.
Let's put this into perspective; Primus are one of my favorite bands ever. They're pretty awesome. But they don't evolve much. While it's a little more atmospheric and less funk influenced than it used to be, and they generally tend to jam out a bit more, there's not superb amounts of change between Suck On This and Animals Should Not Try To Act Like People.
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Also, quoting the guy above you ftl.
Welcome to the FUTAR where we would rather not see your wordiness twice in a row. Also: Be assimilated by the Borg. You're not cool unless you do.
><DONGZ>
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I used to be a pretty serious fan of Tool. I went to every show they played when they came out to Aus after Lateralus, and by that I mean that they played one show, went around Aus then played two more shows, and I went to all three (if I remember correctly). My friend and I actually debated going to one in either Newcastle or Wollongong too, I think.
What I think is especially telling about those shows is that my favourite thing from all of them was when they played the extended version of Pushit during one of the follow-up shows. I mean, the new stuff was ok, but I really dug their older stuff. I know that that is a stereotypical thing to say, but it's true, so fuck it.
Opiate and Undertow seemed honest, Aenima seemed like a real progression from the first stuff. Lateralus seemed like a progression in some ways, but not really in others. And where they "progressed" I didn't really like the direction they took. I mean, I enjoyed the album, but I only really liked a couple of songs on it. It didn't strike me as being anywhere near as good as Aenima. It also seemed kind of pretentious, like it was trying to be some kind of spiritual experience or something.
Anyways, this new album reminds me of the last one. There are some good bits to the new songs, but that's mostly because they are the same kind of good bits from previous songs rehashed into this new pretentious format. Not sure I'll buy the album, I mean, I've already got the other albums. If I want to listen to that kind of stuff I'll just grab one of the older ones.
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Opiate and Undertow seemed honest, Aenima seemed like a real progression from the first stuff. Lateralus seemed like a progression in some ways, but not really in others. And where they "progressed" I didn't really like the direction they took. I mean, I enjoyed the album, but I only really liked a couple of songs on it. It didn't strike me as being anywhere near as good as Aenima. It also seemed kind of pretentious, like it was trying to be some kind of spiritual experience or something.
Why is it pretentious to try to create a spiritual context for your songs? Is there not a certain divinity in music that they are attempting to connect with and express?
I know Jeph has likened listening to Broken Social Scene to a spiritual experience, so why should that not be equally valid in the case of Tool?
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Opiate and Undertow seemed honest, Aenima seemed like a real progression from the first stuff. Lateralus seemed like a progression in some ways, but not really in others. And where they "progressed" I didn't really like the direction they took. I mean, I enjoyed the album, but I only really liked a couple of songs on it. It didn't strike me as being anywhere near as good as Aenima. It also seemed kind of pretentious, like it was trying to be some kind of spiritual experience or something.
Why is it pretentious to try to create a spiritual context for your songs? Is there not a certain divinity in music that they are attempting to connect with and express?
I know Jeph has likened listening to Broken Social Scene to a spiritual experience, so why should that not be equally valid in the case of Tool?
I'm a Tool fan, and I totally see Est's point. The BSS spritiual experience is one that is created by the listener, not forced by the artist. I.E., the pretention (and if I may inject another over-used word, the irony) comes from Tool trying to market their music as a religious experience.
Again, I like Tool a lot, but I have developed reservations regarding the band over the years.
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Personally, my favorite thing about the new Tool album is that it doesn't try to fuck around with some etherial asthetic like Lateralus did, but thats just me. There are still some trippy out there songs, but they lyrics seem a lot more personal and less metaphorical.
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Opiate and Undertow seemed honest, Aenima seemed like a real progression from the first stuff. Lateralus seemed like a progression in some ways, but not really in others. And where they "progressed" I didn't really like the direction they took. I mean, I enjoyed the album, but I only really liked a couple of songs on it. It didn't strike me as being anywhere near as good as Aenima. It also seemed kind of pretentious, like it was trying to be some kind of spiritual experience or something.
Anyways, this new album reminds me of the last one. There are some good bits to the new songs, but that's mostly because they are the same kind of good bits from previous songs rehashed into this new pretentious format. Not sure I'll buy the album, I mean, I've already got the other albums. If I want to listen to that kind of stuff I'll just grab one of the older ones.
QFT.
This thread had lost its point a page ago. Stop it.
SO, IN CONCLUSION:
-Tool's new album was leaked.
-Its not very good, or original. But some of the fans like it.
-Some of Tool's fans are obnoxious little brats.
-Most of this forum does not like Tool.
END OF THREAD
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QFT.
This thread had lost its point a page ago. Stop it.
SO, IN CONCLUSION:
-Tool's new album was leaked.
-Its not very good, or original. But some of the fans like it.
-Some of Tool's fans are obnoxious little brats.
-Most of this forum does not like Tool.
END OF THREAD
*Now let me be the obnoxious one to break that*
That's a nice thought, but seeing this forum, I'm not sure that's really gonna happen... you know, ending threads and all.
(Any way, their new CD came ot yesterday, so there's no "edge" in the leak anymore.)