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Fun Stuff => ENJOY => Topic started by: Aurjay on 20 Feb 2010, 08:22
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Just got done watching this little gem of a movie. Very b-movie and campy, I half expected Bruce Campbell to make an appearance. Its basically the story of a guy who summons a demon to track down his girlfriend who was kidnapped by demons. It's very tongue and cheek all the way to the very end. Best part is the stage play like filming and acting. If you have Netflix i suggest giving this movie a try if anything else just for something different.
Lo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhFsK7e8wUo)
**edit** i changed the title even though i still standby my original post and suggest everyone check out Lo.
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Tongue in cheek.
And if anyone is interested*, it's "coming down the pike" and "irregardless" doesn't mean the same thing as "regardless".
And "begging the question" does not work that way!
(http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/61fps/2008/11/08-15/morbo.gif)
And I'll look into the movie.
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Yeah, I actually wanna check this movie out.
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this thread is going nowhere so lets change the topic to favorite B-movies. Some of my favorites are the Troma films like Tromeo and Juliet and Nuke-em High. Some others that are less cheesy are Holy Mountain and El Topo both of those might be classed as art films but still B-movies in my book. Horror films that were great b-movies is the Coffin Joe series.
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Like I mentioned in another thread, I loved Toxic Avenger. I haven't seen any of the sequels, I need more bad movie friends in Toronto to share the pain with. Also recently loved: the first hour of Faster Pussycat, Kill!... Kill! It's hard to believe how influential that piece of crap is. Also watched MST3k the Movie last night at 2am while drunk. So good.
I found this movie rental place (http://eyesorecinema.blogspot.com/?zx=b3fb95666f5f9e99) that specializes in B movies, exploitation movies, awesome classics by good directors, "Fantasia", and obscure and disturbing porn (http://www.nipponcinema.com/blog/hypertrophy-genitals-girl-nsfw/) (NSFW). It is difficult to express how much better my life has become since I found that place.
Also, Aurjay, you can edit the title of the thread by editing your first post. Hint, hint.
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Ya forgot to mention Toxic Avenger. Think its the most popular or mainstream Troma Film out there. Ive seen Faster Pussycat but it was a very long time ago so dont remember too much about it. I never actually sat down to watch MST3K just cuz i loved the show so much i was afraid the movie might suck. Thanks for the tip and website im gonna ck out that site since its soo hard to find anyone with good b-movies. I use to get my fix growing up by watching USA's "Up All Night'. Where else good you see such gems as Killer klowns from Outer Space or Attack of the Killer Tomatoes ;)
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Eyesore is a bricks and mortar movie rental shop in Toronto. It's awesome and everything, but I can't guarantee it would be worth the flight from Florida.
It is the kind of place where the employees are all obsessed movie geeks with encyclopedic knowledge of every crap movie ever made, and the guy who started it organizes monthly or bi monthly B movie screenings that go most of the night. I keep wanting to hug the employees but that would be inappropriate.
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Godzilla counts as a B-Movie right?
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porn (http://www.nipponcinema.com/blog/hypertrophy-genitals-girl-nsfw/) (NSFW).
ohmygodIhavetoseethis.
Get the popcorn ready and invite everybody over, we're having a movie night.
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I currently own Zombie Hunter Rika (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beiiZKREqaw), Sexy Battle Girls, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CHGuiVl5ko) and Attack Girls Swimteam Vs The Undead. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXaUEe-1ZTM)
ALL OF THESE I'D SAID ARE NSFW (They've got boobs)
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Them!
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Anything with Vincent Price in it, of course, especially all the films made from E.A.Poe stories. Lovely old and weird and wonderful movies.
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I've always wanted to see the last man on earth. I heard its one of Vincent Price's best
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Army of Darkness!
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Night of the Blood Beast is pretty horrendous. I love it.
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Army of Darkness was good but I still really liked Evil Dead 1. Bubbahotep was another very funny Bruce Campbell movie.
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Has anyone here seen Poultrygeist? Just saw it.
What the fuck.
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my gf loves that movie but i havent seen it yet. So is that a good wtf or a bad wtf?
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Does Army of Darkness count as a B-movie? I mean it's kind of lo-fi I guess but I always figured that had more to do with the age of it- or possibly a deliberate choice on Raimi's part- than anything. I mean the first Evil Dead probably count but by the time Army of Darkness rolled around it was a genuine franchise, nahmsayin?
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RoboGeisha! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgrKLjoWcbs&feature=related)
also Big Man Japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTAoxSspBJE)
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Black Sheep
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *CHOMP*
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Also, Sleepaway Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleepaway_Camp)
Easily one of my favorite cheesy horror movies ever.
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Does Army of Darkness count as a B-movie? I mean it's kind of lo-fi I guess but I always figured that had more to do with the age of it- or possibly a deliberate choice on Raimi's part- than anything. I mean the first Evil Dead probably count but by the time Army of Darkness rolled around it was a genuine franchise, nahmsayin?
Yeah, I mean it's gotten to the point now where (would-be or actual) "cult film" and "b-movie" are virtually synonymous. And while there is quite a bit of overlap they ought to be defined separately. I'd say a B-movie is a film that may be kind of bad (not necessarily though) and patently cheap. It can have comedic elements but the point of the film shouldn't be "this film sux lol". That rules out pretty much anything Troma-related. Evil Dead had a lot of silliness but Sam Raimi wasn't out to make a shitty movie. Steven Seagal films are B. Roger Corman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Corman) pictures are the very definition of B (the term comes from the second film in a double feature, which was the standard viewing experience once upon a time. Corman churned them out on a shoestring budget).
So if you want to actually see B-movies these days, you're invariably going to end up looking for either TV movies (the 84-year old Corman is directing "Sharktopus" for Syfy, due this year) or films on DVD that never got a theatrical run. There are tons of them at Blockbuster.
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Steven Seagal movies don't deserve to be called B-movies
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Final mission (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091050/)
its so bad its good.
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wait...so your saying Troma films aren't B-movies? If so then i would disagree with you, sir. Troma films are all done on a very low budget and pile on the camp. Yes they are of the genre "wow that sucked, lol" but still think would classify as B material. Favorite Corman movie btw is Suburbia. It was directed by penelope spheeris but is a corman production so guess that counts.
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I've always wanted to see the last man on earth. I heard its one of Vincent Price's best
http://www.archive.org/details/the-last-man-on-earth
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Price's real best, to me at least, is a little ditty known as Witchfinder General. Scary as all hell with Price's best performance. Worth at the very least checking out.
Roger Corman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Corman) pictures are the very definition of B (the term comes from the second film in a double feature, which was the standard viewing experience once upon a time. Corman churned them out on a shoestring budget).
Corman actually came around just a the A-B structure was falling out of popularity, so few if any of his films would have been a B on a double bill. Still by modern definition I agree with that sentiment, if just not for the AIP films.
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I've always wanted to see the last man on earth. I heard its one of Vincent Price's best
http://www.archive.org/details/the-last-man-on-earth
Awesome, gonna watch it now.
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Yeah, I mean it's gotten to the point now where (would-be or actual) "cult film" and "b-movie" are virtually synonymous. And while there is quite a bit of overlap they ought to be defined separately. I'd say a B-movie is a film that may be kind of bad (not necessarily though) and patently cheap. It can have comedic elements but the point of the film shouldn't be "this film sux lol". That rules out pretty much anything Troma-related. Evil Dead had a lot of silliness but Sam Raimi wasn't out to make a shitty movie. Steven Seagal films are B. Roger Corman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Corman) pictures are the very definition of B (the term comes from the second film in a double feature, which was the standard viewing experience once upon a time. Corman churned them out on a shoestring budget).
So if you want to actually see B-movies these days, you're invariably going to end up looking for either TV movies (the 84-year old Corman is directing "Sharktopus" for Syfy, due this year) or films on DVD that never got a theatrical run. There are tons of them at Blockbuster.
I actually totally agree with this. I think any film that is "We are purposefully making this film bad so it'll be funny" cannot be classified as a b movie.
To me, a b movie should be something cheap, and unintentionally funny.
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I usually just classify a B-movie to be cheap production with either horrible acting or amateur actors. I dont consider whether their intentions were to be funny or is it so bad its unintentionally funny. Mostly cuz i think its hard to tell the true intention of the director. Cult Films to me run the gambit of being big production films or low budget films whereas B-movies have to be low budget.
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So, stuff like the Feast series? What about low-budget movies with famous actors, like Billy Zane or Chris Kattan?
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RoboGeisha! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgrKLjoWcbs&feature=related)
That narrator's voice is absurd. It sounds like they're recording him as the five Ambiens he took kick in.
This movie's coming to the New Beverly next month. I'm excited: HOUUSE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0NWIxl2VJk)
EDIT: And it's on tour! http://www.janusfilms.com/house/dates.html
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Feast was semi-lowbudget and the best known actors were Henry Rollins who died quickly and Jason Mewes. Rollins is a decent at best actor and Mewes is well Mewes. It was part of project greenlight and too be honest wasn't bad. Also, just because your a well known actor doesn't mean your a good actor...Steven Seagal.
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Just sayin', cuz I've seen a few zombie movies with people who could be considered decent actors. And famous actors who are bad. They were all pretty good movies that I would consider to be B-movies. I didn't even see Feast 1, just Feast 2, I was kind of referring to the ridiculous amount of gore and bare-bones plot.
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wait...there was a feast 2? I was ok after the 1st one not sure id care to see anymore. I have a loose definition of what a B-movie is though, especially compared to some people here. I think more than anything they need to be cheaply made. Cult movies on the other hand can be either.
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On the other hand, Starship Troopers is the most expensively made B-Movie ever made!
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guess it would fall into the unintentionally funny category.
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Unintentional? Na, I'm pretty sure every funny thing in that movie was very intentional.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Starship Troopers was completely tongue-in-cheek.
And, if Syfy originals are B-movies, then that just opens up a tap of solid gold. Becca and I found 30,000 Leagues Under the Sea the other day, that was pretty hilarious. And I hear fantastic things about Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus.
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MANSQUITO
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And I hear fantastic things about Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus.
Sadly, it's highly overrated. Lorenzo Lamas is fun, but the pacing's too slow and one guy you'll be really hoping got squished doesn't. Worth a watch, but don't go in expecting a trash classic.
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I can't believe this wasn't posted already. Sometimes it's like I don't even know you people.
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There is no such thing as the Star Wars Holiday Special
George Lucas can prove that.
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Rocky Horror is not bad at all. I wouldn't even come close to calling that a B-Movie. It's definitely a cult classic though. Plus it's had such a profound impact on so many people's lives.
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What do you mean by B-movie? Rocky Horror is most certainly a B-movie by all but the strictest definition. Limited release, low budget and a staple of midnight showings. That's got B-movie all over it.
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There are lots of B-Movies that aren't midnight movie staples. Those are cult films. See above.
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I've never considered cult film status to exempt a film from being a b-movie.
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What do you mean by B-movie? Rocky Horror is most certainly a B-movie by all but the strictest definition. Limited release, low budget and a staple of midnight showings. That's got B-movie all over it.
It wasn't low budget, just a smaller budget than a mainstream American film. I doubt there were many other British films made in the mid-'70s that cost more. And I think the limited release and it being shifted to midnight screenings after a while was because it was drawing small audiences in the markets it was originally introduced to rather than it simply never being intended for widespread distribution.
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Low budget doesn't automatically incur B-movie status, but cult status doesn't prohibit a film from being classified as a B-movie. Donnie Darko was extremely low budget, had a limited release, didn't break even, and has a huge cult following, and yet I would never in a million years call it a B-movie.
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thing about Donnie Darko is it cost 4.5 million to make and grossed 4.1 million. I dont consider that to be low-budget. Also it had an all-star cast. I would think of it as more an indie film than a B-movie. One major thing i still think of in B-movies is the acting. The acting has to be either bad or amateurish. Paranormal Activity and Blair Witch are both cult films that were made with extremely low budgets but the acting wasn't bad in either so i consider them to be indie/cult films.
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page break for great B-movies
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Budget to low-budget is relative to the movie (a $20 million action movie would be low budget), but 4 million is pretty low-budget even for a character drama like Darko.
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what about El Mariachi? That shit was filmed for like $400 with one camera and no second takes.
And it became a multi-million dollar franchise.
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they call those "micro-budget"
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One major thing i still think of in B-movies is the acting. The acting has to be either bad or amateurish. Paranormal Activity and Blair Witch are both cult films that were made with extremely low budgets but the acting wasn't bad in either so i consider them to be indie/cult films.
I've got to disagree with you there. B-movies usually do have bad or amateurish acting but I think that's a side effect of the way they're produced rather than a criteria. For me, b-movie status is all about intent. It should be aiming for a particular genre audience and not be designed to break out of the genre ghetto. So you're right about Donnie Darko, big names and not being a straight genre film mean it's out of the running even if it had cost 50p. It also should be produced for money rather than any kind of artistic statement. Films like The Blair Witch Project have aspirations beyond sitting on the DVD shelves between the other horror films, but a film like Ice Spiders is not going to be winning any awards and it knows it. It's supposed to shift a few units and make a few quid by hitting genre fans' buttons, and that's proper b-movie behaviour.
El Mariachi is a tougher call than Donnie Darko, since it is a straight-up action film. I don't think it's concerned with sticking to genre stereotypes enough to be a b-movie though, it's not an easy enough sell if you see what I mean.
Suburbia's an interesting one since that brings us into the weird world of the exploitation film. That means I can throw in this masterpiece in the 'women in prison' genre:
(http://eurekavideo.co.uk/images/films/large/female-prisoner-701-scorpion.jpg)
Well acted and well shot, but still a total exploitation piece for all of its flair (and all the better for it).
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El Mariachi was an extremely cheaply made film. So much that Rodriguez sold his body for science experiments to fund it. The franchise though was something different. In a way like Evil Dead franchise, except not such a grand scale. The 1st one was very cheap but ever consecutive film cost more. The above poster makes some really good points though about intent. Your right b-movies usually intend to be nothing grand but sometimes do pull it off, i think El Mariachi is perfect example of that. The acting wasn't great at all but still drove to be more and succeeded.
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I've got to disagree with you there. B-movies usually do have bad or amateurish acting but I think that's a side effect of the way they're produced rather than a criteria. For me, b-movie status is all about intent. It should be aiming for a particular genre audience and not be designed to break out of the genre ghetto. So you're right about Donnie Darko, big names and not being a straight genre film mean it's out of the running even if it had cost 50p. It also should be produced for money rather than any kind of artistic statement. Films like The Blair Witch Project have aspirations beyond sitting on the DVD shelves between the other horror films, but a film like Ice Spiders is not going to be winning any awards and it knows it. It's supposed to shift a few units and make a few quid by hitting genre fans' buttons, and that's proper b-movie behaviour.
This is really problematic. There's other reasons people make low budget genre films than money; for fun say, or two get up on the first rung of the film business. But mainly I'm not sure why you're saying that having any sort of artistic pretensions should magically make a film not a B-Movie. Look at films like, say, Zombie or Tombs of the Blind Dead, even early Dario Argento stuff, any of those more atmospheric old european horror flicks. Are they not B-Movies because they try and be a little bit sophisticated? Or what about Japanese films like Tetsuo, the Iron Man or the Guinea Pig series? Back in the day, films like Don't Look Now and The Wicker Man played as B features in the US. B-movies these days, if it's a category that still means anything, are more about playing outside the taste and sensibilities of a mainstream audience. You can have films like Cannibal Holocaust trying to make a serious artistic statement, and it will still be a B-Movie because there is no way most people would even sit through Cannibal Holocaust, let alone enjoy it on any level. In some ways B-Movies have their own aesthetic sensibility, to the extent that you can make films in the B-Movie genre irrespective of their subject matter, hopefully coming up with shit like the better Troma films (Chopper Chicks in Zombie Town, Toxic Avenger) or Attack of the Killer Tomatoes. You can even dress up a bigger budget film in B-Movie trappings, and when done well it'svery good. Rocky Horror and Army of Darkness are perfect examples, as are Buckaroo Banzai and pretty much everything Cronenberg and Carpenter did in the eighties. What defines a great B-Movie, I think, is a sense of fun, as in the creators were enjoying what they were doing and trying to overcome the restrictions of a limited budget and often limited talent to create something that they believe would appeal to people with similiar tastes and ideas as themselves. Thus I would say my favourite B-movies are:
Pink Flamingos
I Bought a Vampire Motorcycle
All Hammer Horror Dracula films from Dracula Has Risen From the Grave through to The Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires
Bad Taste
The Devils
The Abominable Dr. Phibes and Theatre of Blood (which is more of a sequel in spirit than Dr. Phibes Rises Again)
Witchfinder General
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes
Zombie Flesh Eaters
Tetsuo, The Iron Man
etc.
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Hmm, I explained myself really badly there. I guess I was thinking about funding and intended audience rather than the artistic aims of the filmmakers. So, a film gets funding because genre films have a certain market. Then you have people making fascinating and often really strange films within that genre format that have to tick a certain number of boxes because that's where the funding and distribution comes from. Like Sweet Sweetback's Badasssss Song having several sex scenes because the cash came from backers who were expecting a sex film, not a black action movie. Or Rock 'n' Roll High School. Corman didn't give a shit about The Ramones. He wanted to make a high school music film, and originally pitched Disco High. But one of his staff said that wouldn't work, it needed to be Rock 'n' Roll High School. So they found a band, and then the filmmakers took a piece of cheap exploitation and made a really good comedy out of it. That wasn't the intention at the outset, when the project was begun it was simply a matter of "here's a market, let's exploit it" which is where a lot of b-movies started. But then the filmmakers almost defied this really commercial process and made good films just because they cared about genre films, and you get that great sense of fun with the best of them.
Also, Theatre Of Blood is awesome.
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BLOOD DINER!!
NIGHT OF THE CREEPS!!
MACHINE GIRL!!!!
TOKYO GORE POLICE!!!!!
I haven't watched Neon Maniacs yet but I refuse to accept it's not awesome.
Also that Troma ish I guess.
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Where do Black Dynamite and Bitch Slap fit in? One is excellent and the other is good if you happen to be into chicks.
Theatre of Blood happens to be my favourite Price film, it also happened to be his favourite of his films. Which is awesome.
Attack of the Killer Tomatoes is awesome in name only, watching the actual film was so incredibly boring it hurt.
Would Big Man Japan be a B-movie? Because it too, is awesome. Zebraman as well.
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Khar voiced my concerns a lot more eloquently than I ever could have.
Really, I could go either way on whether or not you want to consider Rocky Horror to be a true b-movie or not-- I certainly won't argue that it is a black and white thing. In a very real way it's a b-movie parody set to music that happened to be embraced by an awful lot of b-movie fans and lived on in the same sort of venues that b-movies thrive in. If it's not a b-movie, it's certainly a very damn close relative. I guess the whole being an adaptation thing probably counts against it, sort of, but it's still some damn unique territory.
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It's that weird cousin at the family reunion who can't seem to fit in.
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(http://www.dvdhouse.ps/images/BeeMovie20072994_f.jpg)
I'm very sorry, I'll just go and stick my head into a hive now...
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Looking at Khar's list I'm amazed to see many of the movies that I would choose as well
Hammer's Dracula movies from the Horror of Dracula to Dracula has risen from the Grave (seriously, I love Sir Christopher and PEte Cushing, but Dracula AD1972 really bit)
Hammer's Frankenstein movies
Tremors
Army of Darkness
The Conqueror Worn/Witchfinder General
AIP's Edgar Allen Poe series
Deathrace 2000
Countess Dracula
The Vampire Lovers
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Ah, Horror of Dracula confused me for a second. Apparently that's the US title?
Although it is a very good adaptation, and Lee is excellent, I didn't include the Hammer Dracula in my list because it doesn't have all the elements and atmosphere in place that really define the series for me, and it just isn't as campy; Cushing and Lee, yes, but that makes it more a 'straight' film in my book...if that makes sense? I discount Brides of Dracula because it has nothing to do with Dracula, and Prince of Darkness because he doesn't speak. Although I consider the high-points of the series generally to be Dracula and Dracula Has Risen From the Grave, they become really enjoyable pieces of kitsch as the whole thing goes on, especially Dracula AD 1972 and The Satanic Rites of Dracula, which are utterly fucking ridiculous. Hippies accidentally resurrect Dracula, who tries to take over the world with bioligical warfare! Why not?
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Horror of Dracula is indeed the North American title.
B Movies are traditionally movies with a lower budget then those of the A list movies, and generally have non-big name actors and directors, so they don't ahve to be campy or balls out crazy to qualify in my book - it helps sometimes. Dracula AD 1972 and the Satanic Rites of Dracula were just bad movies with both main actors phoning in their performances for a paycheck - and even then still outacting the rest of the cast.
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http://www.shameless-films.com/ (http://www.shameless-films.com/)
These & Fred Williamson films are al my & my fella watch together. Bronx Warriors. Torso. So many dope films.
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My word those films look good, I need to investigate this more.
And yeah, Fred Williamson is totally boss. I'm kind of intrigued by that I Was A Teenage Demigod, purely because his character is called Commander Deathblood.
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(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a24/phyrexianmeatdog/sherlock-holmes.jpg)
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We`watched one film called Black Gestapo. It was boss. You should watch it .
That Shelock Holmes films is amazing, it's the 2nd best film I've seen this year (The best is the Castle)
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Sci-Fi channel (or SyFy now I suppose) movies are probably my favorite thing. Top of my list is Grizzly Rage, which is complete with robotic bear paws swiping at people and blood spatter on the camera. Second is Dark Matter, in which Stephen Baldwin can shoot lightning out of his fingertips.
I love you, Sci-Fi channel.
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Liz, please tell me I can watch those things in th UK: Purrrrleeeeeeeese! They sound awesome!
A good B movie test is: does it have the Brother of someone more famous in? Eg; one of the shitter Baldwins? (If you have to ask which the good ones are, don't talk to me) Or, my Favourite, DON SWAYZE. He even played his own bothers double a few times. He looks like a spitting image puppet of Patrick. He is dope.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LLc74FKuF8o/SrJROipJ4AI/AAAAAAAABjY/GafjX8RpFFE/s400/DonSwayze.jpg)
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0842023/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0842023/)
Get passed all the pretty cool TV work & just look at the names of some of his films! Oh My Days.
W.A.R: Women Against Rape
Kinda stands out....
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Apparently Grizzly Rage is on YouTube in ten parts, here's the first. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNiUjiIyjRY&feature=PlayList&p=24557A442CC492EB&index=0&playnext=1) The quality isn't great at all, but I am pretty sure you'll still get the full terrible effect of the movie. EDIT: there appears to be a bit missing between parts one and two, but you don't really miss any of the story. Stupid person uploading the movie...
This site http://www.movies-links.tv/movies/dark_matter/ has a couple links for Dark Matter, don't know if you can access them over in Europe land. Hopefully something works!
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Shameless looks pretty damn awesome just based on the fact of Killer Nun. I'd forgotten that film.
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Don Swayze
That is very creepy.