THESE FORUMS NOW CLOSED (read only)
Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: jwhouk on 31 Aug 2014, 17:00
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And here... we... goooooooo!
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'Ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go!
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Prediction for this week: Hijinks and shenanigans!
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Faye is certainly starting it out in a rather conciliatory frame of mind, isn't she?
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Wow, full-panel comic!
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I'm really into vertically-dominated compositions lately. Thanks for the surprise, Jeph.
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Faye, how wonderful! Moral support, defensive and offensive capabilities, all in one tiny gift!
I'm impressed. She's really handling this well.
So far.
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The creative gift for the guy who has everything
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Angus will be stopped by security, and will be denied access to the next audition.
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I'm not sure if Faye is actually okay with the audition thing or just really good at hiding her feelings. I mean, sure, she spent the first 499 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=500) strips hiding them, but maybe she really is cool with everything and life is happy.
:psyduck:
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I love practical presents.
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Also usable as a roach clip; I hear NYC has a lot of roaches.
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One can not be okay with something while still being positive and supportive for someone they love. Faye knows it's important to Angus and would make him happy to get the job. She's willing to support it for that reason, even if it makes her unhappy. That's what ppl do when they love each other.
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One can not be okay with something while still being positive and supportive for someone they love.
Indeed. Today, Faye scores.
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Faye, how wonderful! Moral support, defensive and offensive capabilities, all in one tiny gift!
I'm impressed. She's really handling this well.
So far.
I'm not. Part of a healthy relationship is having the difficult conversations.
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If it is a purpose-made tie-clip knife, can it be a shiv? <tap> <tap> <tap> Apparently it can. I thought a shiv was necessarily an improvised blade, but it seems I was wrong.
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'Ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go!
Who let the Orc in? And where's my hammer?
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Faye, how wonderful! Moral support, defensive and offensive capabilities, all in one tiny gift!
I'm impressed. She's really handling this well.
So far.
I'm not. Part of a healthy relationship is having the difficult conversations.
Excellent point. I tend to dodge them, myself.
But who's to say they haven't talked (at least some) about it offscreen? Sure, we know Faye's burying the Sven thing, but they've at least broached the issue (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2674), and from some of the things we've seen they may well have gone further into it (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2686).
'course, it doesn't mean she still doesn't have some reservations (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2740)...
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But who's to say they haven't talked (at least some) about it offscreen?
But we've seen Faye's reservations since those comics and if they'd had that conversation I think it would of been included in comic, it's kind of a too big a deal for Faye at the moment to have happened offscreen.
Although that last link you posted reminded me her and Angus were going to have a fancy dinner and that wasn't shown so it could of been discussed there, but again wouldn't that have been shown? Did they even go before she started drinking with Marten? And now Fayes wearing a different shirt that when Dora was talking about cutting out Sven, so are we on a different day? DID WE TIME JUMP? DID WE QUANTUM LEAP? Somebody slide over a car bonnet and punch a dude!
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But who's to say they haven't talked (at least some) about it offscreen?
But we've seen Faye's reservations since those comics and if they'd had that conversation I think it would of been included in comic, it's kind of a too big a deal for Faye at the moment to have happened offscreen.
Although that last link you posted reminded me her and Angus were going to have a fancy dinner and that wasn't shown so it could of been discussed there, but again wouldn't that have been shown? Did they even go before she started drinking with Marten? And now Fayes wearing a different shirt that when Dora was talking about cutting out Sven, so are we on a different day? DID WE TIME JUMP? DID WE QUANTUM LEAP? Somebody slide over a car bonnet and punch a dude!
It's also possible -- since it seems she's trying to be genuinely supportive regardless of her own misgivings -- that she's holding off on that conversation 'til she has a better idea of what's going on. Bringing it up before Angus leaves could throw him off his game or cause him to have second thoughts. And if he doesn't get the part (as might happen if he misses a callback because of a well-intended, if rather sharp and pointy gift is misconstrued by a cop or security agent, for instance), then that particular conversation doesn't really need to happen, does it?
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Hello everybody,
I just haaad to make an account, just to say this. After all that Dora-Sven-Faye-Angus-Marten-Mieville-(not-Tai)-Drama, I LOVE Faye right now. This is the perfect gift - very Faye, comes from the heart, shows her support and love even if she can't say it in so many words. I also love Angus a little bit, because while I didn't like him in the beginning (how the hell is pestering somebody at their place of work after that person already expressed non-interest considered an acceptable form of flirting) he's been a good.. boyfling for Faye. If she can express her love like that, I think she's in a good place, no matter how that Sven thing plays out or if her relationship can really survive long-distance.
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Aww, Dora being supportive of Faye makes me feel all fuzzy inside.
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I'd say that Dora's spot on with her take in the last panel, but Marten's version (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2269) was snappier.
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Cuttlefish are way cool
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Cuttlefish are way cool
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Whooooa!
I looked at it's first transformation and sleepybrain was like "Meh, seen stuff like that before ..."
Until 'Rest of brain' caught up, did a double-take and went "Uhmmmmmh, yes ... done with CGI effects in SF-flicks - But this beastie is REAL!"
Way cool indeed!
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only one page so far? sheesh
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Meh, it was a busy thread last week, we're tired now.
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"Objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are."
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Faye, how wonderful! Moral support, defensive and offensive capabilities, all in one tiny gift!
I'm impressed. She's really handling this well.
So far.
Aaaaand now she's not. Doravention time.
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No, no, she's doing better than even she thinks. It's all "what ifs" and "buts", which she's going to find are not nearly as awful as her fears over them are.
Dora's just pointing all this out. Which is rather amazing in its own right...
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Throwback to this one here:
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2269
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Sticking a condom wrapper on May's face? With the prison connections she has? Dale, that was just con dumb. :claireface:
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Dale is staying admirably calm in the face of impending robo-vengeance. Maybe working with Faye has been good don't-panic training.
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I would be pretty mad if I woke up with a condom wrapper on my face, too.
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There are worse things she could have had stuck to her face.
No, I will not list them.
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There are worse things she could have had stuck to her face.
No, I will not list them.
You mean like a processed cheese wrapper?
I don't care what anyone says, that stuff is disgusting!
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Typically, I don't actually laugh out loud at comics. Today, I fuggin lost it. Well done, Benevolent Comic Overlord.
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No one takes issue with robots sleeping?
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All known intelligences sleep, so it's not absurd to have it be a feature of AIs. Station sure can't afford to fall asleep, though.
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No one takes issue with robots sleeping?
I would imagine that a cheap, government-issued stock chassis like hers would need to power down to charge faster. Also, it makes for a better joke.
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Sometimes you just need to draw the line.
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There are worse things she could have had stuck to her face.
No, I will not list them.
"Used condom" immediately comes to mind.
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Okay, after this, the evaporating bra incident, the Backalley Fairy and the message from Gary, I am certain:
QCverse doesn't run on physics. It runs on magic. Specifically on fae magic, the kind that steals your socks because they think it's fun.
They cling to Marten and make his life, particularly his love life, hell, for fun.
Pintsize used to be one of them. Then for some reason or other, he got banished, and has since somewhat changed his ways from the wacky hijinks we know to the at times thoughtful robot we are confused by.
Now he knows about the faeries - but he is doomed to live on and never tell anyone. This is why we see fewer hijinks from him - he is caught between missing his old world and reconsidering what an asshole he has been.
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I don't think #2783 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2783) is the best QC strip ever, but there are some things worthy of discussion:
- Do robots sleep? I had the impression Momo did not require sleep (or a bed)?
- How are May and Dale's roommate practicalities? Does May have her own room? Or does she use the sofa? Or sleep in Dale's bed (as this strip seems to imply, unless Dale and Marigold have been banging on May's sofa while she was out)?
- When Marigold and Dale are banging, I guess they want some privacy? Do they ask May to go for a walk?
- Why is May so upset? Is she jealous? Or is she mad because of Dale's sloppy housekeeping? An empty condom wrapper is hardly unhygienic (used condoms is another matter...)?
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As for point one, Momo said that she does not need sleep. Jeph has written somewhere outside the comic that this is not actually the case.
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http://jephjacques.com/post/39633424655/qa-dump-58
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- How are May and Dale's roommate practicalities? Does May have her own room? Or does she use the sofa? Or sleep in Dale's bed (as this strip seems to imply, unless Dale and Marigold have been banging on May's sofa while she was out)?
- Why is May so upset? Is she jealous? Or is she mad because of Dale's sloppy housekeeping? An empty condom wrapper is hardly unhygienic (used condoms is another matter...)?
They had sex on May's bed is the implication.
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Station sure can't afford to fall asleep, though.
Multiple processor cores? Distributed around the station so a meteor strike won't lobotomise the life-support.
Edit: Spelling fail.
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I'm sure there's non AI backups to Station, he might be organizing and coordinating everything, but it would be foolish to not have dedicated back ups and sub-systems.
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Station sure can't afford to fall asleep, though.
Multiple processor cores? Distributed around the station so a meter strike won't lobotomise the life-support.
Great article here (https://brainmass.com/file/282455/08_do_all_animals_sleep_final.pdf). It seems like all animals need some form of sleep, to defragment or reorganize their brains. By extension, this process would also be necessary for AIs. In cases where sleeping might be dangerous, such as in marine mammals, it seems the two brain hemispheres alternate on sleeping, perhaps equivalent to what Station does with his multiple processor cores.
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- How are May and Dale's roommate practicalities? Does May have her own room? Or does she use the sofa? Or sleep in Dale's bed (as this strip seems to imply, unless Dale and Marigold have been banging on May's sofa while she was out)?
- Why is May so upset? Is she jealous? Or is she mad because of Dale's sloppy housekeeping? An empty condom wrapper is hardly unhygienic (used condoms is another matter...)?
They had sex on May's bed is the implication.
does may sleep-mode on a bed?
honestly, she should just count herself lucky it was only the wrapper...[/list]
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- How are May and Dale's roommate practicalities? Does May have her own room? Or does she use the sofa? Or sleep in Dale's bed (as this strip seems to imply, unless Dale and Marigold have been banging on May's sofa while she was out)?
- Why is May so upset? Is she jealous? Or is she mad because of Dale's sloppy housekeeping? An empty condom wrapper is hardly unhygienic (used condoms is another matter...)?
They had sex on May's bed is the implication.
does may sleep-mode on a bed? why would she need one?
honestly, she should just count herself lucky it was only the wrapper...[/list]
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There are worse things she could have had stuck to her face.
Vintage Pocky?
As for sleeping, May probably doesn't need to sleep but powers down overnight just to get to the next day faster.
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There are worse things she could have had stuck to her face.
Vintage Pocky?
"I woke up, and my face was full of RAT POOPS!" :psyduck:
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I assume May is making a reference to Seconds here. (Bryan Lee O'Malley's new book.) Or I'm just now assuming now all references to house spirits are related to Seconds.
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It's been established previously that robots do have the equivalent of sleep. Basically it's standby mode.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2)
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=705 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=705)
questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=687 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=687)
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If they didn't sleep, how would they dream of electric sheep?
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does may sleep-mode on a bed?
They may have did it on her recharging unit. That's probably not as sexy though.
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does may sleep-mode on a bed?
They may have did it on her recharging unit. That's probably not as sexy though.
That's one way to get their juices flowing. They should make sure the recharging unit isn't in public, though, because some people might find it revolting and charge them with a misdemeanor. :claireface:
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*sighs and drops cesium into the pun jar*
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Poor May, considering her history and temper, she is handling the situation reasonably well. However, those death eyes are terrifying.
I suspect Dale isn't the culprit, it might have been Marigold, or my prime suspect, Pintsize.
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*sighs and drops cesium into the pun jar*
*pun jar explodes*
Who filled the pun jar with water?
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[considers making a dihydrogen monoxide (http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html) joke]
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As the former official keeper of the pun jar, I am reasonably certain that the water was mine - it was part of the feeding mechanism for the squirrel.
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I guess AnthroPCs stay in some sort of energy saving mode when people aren't around. After all they are companion AIs. About the need for sleep, considering that they have mammal like mindset (their emotions seems similar to humans) And their clock speed they could sleep for a few seconds every hour and nobody would notice. Gerbils alternate many periods of activity and sleep during the day instead of sleeping for hours in a row like us.
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OK, all this AI sleep talk reminded me of the fanfic I wrote a couple years ago that delved pretty deeply into AI sleep and dreaming. (Nov 2011? Holy crap...). I found the link in the fanart thread, but Scrid has changed a lot, so it wasn't working.
Here's what I hope is a working link (http://www.scribd.com/doc/72536922/Dream-Therapy).
I'm pretty sure it's publicly viewable, let me know it it's more broke than I thought...
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honestly, she should just count herself lucky it was only the wrapper...[/list]
Dale should count himself lucky that he's not on fire.
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If they didn't sleep, how would they dream of electric sheep?
Unimatrix 0?
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does may sleep-mode on a bed? why would she need one?
Nope. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2717)
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Satanism is fun.
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A bowl of milk is traditional...
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does may sleep-mode on a bed? why would she need one?
Nope. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2717)
May be May put herself in sleep mode standing up in the corner to give some privacy to Dale and Marigold. They got carried away, opened the package and tossed the empty one without looking.
Now this justifies how pissed May may have been.
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So obviously Dora still hasn't told Tai about her cutting of Sven out of her life. Nothing now, but I imagine things picking up more in the weeks leading up to Thanksgiving.
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They're still holding farts in around each other? Weird.
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Soon http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2751
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Hanners is the only one not dead. She can handle more than she thinks.
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Another callback (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2187), perhaps?
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honestly, she should just count herself lucky it was only the wrapper...[/list]
Dale should count himself lucky that he's not on fire.
If I had been in May's shoes Dale would have found himself WISHING he was on fire.
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I can't remember, has Tai met Sven? And if so, what did she say?
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They're still holding farts in around each other? Weird.
It's a very dramatic fart. When it finally occurs, hundreds will be dead, and there will be lots of sogginess. :psyduck:
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Which is why you don't hold it in.
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I can't remember, has Tai met Sven? And if so, what did she say?
Not a whole lot (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1831).
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They're still holding farts in around each other? Weird.
It's a very dramatic fart. When it finally occurs, hundreds will be dead, and there will be lots of sogginess. :psyduck:
If you try to hold in a fart, it will just build up and get worse. The gas doesn't magically disappear. The best you can hope for, is to delay the fart until you can get some privacy. It is a good feeling really, after a long meeting, to finally get to the bathroom and let out a humongous fart.
As for the chemistry joke above: Cesium and water is definitely not something you should try without adequate protection and firefighting equipment.
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Calling it: Dora hurts her relationships severely.....on a personal and familial level.
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I get why Dora is keeping this from Tai. I understand wanting to keep that safe drama free place with you partner. I did the same thing with my gf. My relationship with her was the one place I felt safe from all the emotional baggage I had built up over the years. I hid a lot from her, my mental illness, my past traumas, etc cos I wanted a clean slate with her, without all that hurt tainting it. Eventually that became untenable and I couldn't keep hiding it as we got closer and more intimate. Eventually it all came out in a pretty dramatic, violent and damaging way. It took a long time to regain the trust I damaged. Long story short, Dora needs to be honest with Tai and trust her enough to confide in her.
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I don't really see why this is crazy drama between them though - all Dora needs to say is "I've decided not to spend time with my brother any more because I don't like who he has become and I don't like who he makes me into". Then Tai would go "ok, I'll support you, let me know if you want to talk about it".
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Long story short, Dora needs to be honest with Tai and trust her enough to confide in her.
Yeah, absolutely. Also, Bermymoo is right, I mean what would Tai do? Be nice?
Although, I've had a partner keep things from me (temporarily, but serious stuff) which made me furious. They had a similar reason - one drama-free place in their life that wouldn't want to talk about the stuff that happened. Still pissed me off to no end, because if they didn't want to talk about it they could have just told me.
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I don't really see why this is crazy drama between them though - all Dora needs to say is "I've decided not to spend time with my brother any more because I don't like who he has become and I don't like who he makes me into". Then Tai would go "ok, I'll support you, let me know if you want to talk about it".
Yes, that is how a mature, reasonable adult would handle it. But since when is QC about mature, reasonable adults? (Besides Momo, I mean.)
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I agree it is nothing major, hiding is more drana-inducing than the subject itself. Secrets don't prevent drama, they only delay a and intensify it.
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I am hoping that the upshot of this will be that when it all comes out, Tai reacts maturely and sensibly and the relationship survives. Dora can learn a lot from something not going down in flames.
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Although, I can say from experience that it can be frustrating when things don't go the way your preconceived ideas tell you they will, even when they turn out better. Neuroses are annoying like that.
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If you try to hold in a fart, it will just build up and get worse. The gas doesn't magically disappear. The best you can hope for, is to delay the fart until you can get some privacy.
I agree it is nothing major, hiding is more drana-inducing than the subject itself. Secrets don't prevent drama, they only delay a and intensify it.
Am I the only one that see a similarity?
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Flatulance as a relationship metaphor. Very Shakespearian.
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I don't really see why this is crazy drama between them though - all Dora needs to say is "I've decided not to spend time with my brother any more because I don't like who he has become and I don't like who he makes me into". Then Tai would go "ok, I'll support you, let me know if you want to talk about it".
Yup. I mean, what does Tai care about Sven? Why would it even be a drama?
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Dora is pretty self-obsessed, and this is a big deal to her, so she assumes it's a big deal to everyone else I suppose.
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Yes, that is how a mature, reasonable adult would handle it. But since when is QC about mature, reasonable adults? (Besides Momo, I mean.)
And Winslow and Station. Neither are human, btw. But a universe populated with mature, reasonable adults would be very dull.
Someone ought to make a multidimensional diagram of each character's personality. Some dimensions to consider:
- Violence axis: Most characters would have low score, Dora a bit higher (from beating Sven), with Faye topping the scale. If time is included as a separate dimension/axis (which it should), Faye's violence score would be shown to decrease over time.
- Social ineptitude axis: Marten has a low score, Marigold a high score (but decreasing over time).
- Weirdness axis: Emily would of course be far out, but most others would also be well above zero.
- Maturity axis: See above.
Now, visualization might be a problem :mrgreen:
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I can't remember, has Tai met Sven? And if so, what did she say?
Tai was present when Marten, MartyMom and the gang met Sven on the street shortly after The Breakup. The exchange: "I suppose it would be bad form for me to seduce you." "'fraid so." caused Marten to want crawl into a hole, but Tai grabbed his arm and stopped him. I guess it is still possible that Tai has never talked with Sven, or even attended the same party.
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Now, visualization might be a problem :mrgreen:
Well if the stats only go from zero outwards then it can be plotted as a two dimensional graph.
If you add a time axis then you would need a third axis.
(http://uimg2.gpotato.eu/788253779/HtmlEdit/23052013_171928_stat-graph_623688.png)
The graph was the first one I found but is something most games and a some manga use to track skills and abilities for comparison purposes.
Please not the scale can be either linear, logarithmic or mixed depending on the variability of the statistic values.
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Flatulance as a relationship metaphor. Very Shakespearian.
I was thinking more Chaucerian.
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Long story short, Dora needs to be honest with Tai and trust her enough to confide in her.
Therein lies the problem, Dora has severe trust and control issues and isn't really someone that would open up to anyone. Any time she did open up, it's usually when she was kind of backed into a corner, usually because of her actions.
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Long story short, Dora needs to be honest with Tai and trust her enough to confide in her.
Therein lies the problem, Dora has severe trust and control issues and isn't really someone that would open up to anyone. Any time she did open up, it's usually when she was kind of backed into a corner, usually because of her actions.
Which is one of the ways you n which I identify with Dora. I have pretty severe trust issues, although they manifest quite differently from hers. It takes a lot to get me to open up to anyone I'm dating. I do think I come by my trust issues honestly, though.
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Dora, you're not supposed to hold those in. It's bad for you. You let them out. You'll feel better after.
You can decide what I'm talking about. Pretty sure it applies either way.
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If you try to hold in a fart, it will just build up and get worse. The gas doesn't magically disappear. The best you can hope for, is to delay the fart until you can get some privacy.
I agree it is nothing major, hiding is more drana-inducing than the subject itself. Secrets don't prevent drama, they only delay a and intensify it.
Am I the only one that see a similarity?
Yep. The longer you hold it in the bigger the explosion will be.
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Dora, you're not supposed to hold those in. It's bad for you. You let them out. You'll feel better after.
You can decide what I'm talking about. Pretty sure it applies either way.
It's funny how much secrets and flatulence have in common.
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Welcome, new people!
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Dora, you're not supposed to hold those in. It's bad for you. You let them out. You'll feel better after.
You can decide what I'm talking about. Pretty sure it applies either way.
It's funny how much secrets and flatulence have in common.
Sometimes you think you can hide it, but the people around you all know.
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Seems much, if not all, of human interaction comes down to bodily functions either literally or figuratively.
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Dora, you're not supposed to hold those in. It's bad for you. You let them out. You'll feel better after.
You can decide what I'm talking about. Pretty sure it applies either way.
It's funny how much secrets and flatulence have in common.
Such as, neither keeping them in nor letting them out does many people any good.
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who let the farts out
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who who who
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Seems much, if not all, of human interaction comes down to bodily functions either literally or figuratively.
As the prophet Pintsize taught (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=270).
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who let the farts out
who
who who who
Peter Davison?
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I had to make an account to say that this a really contrived and ham-fisted way to force this drama. Can't anything ever just blow over in this comic?
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Short answer: No.
Long answer: Not likely.
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Dora's actions in relation to Sven are:
Hilarious once she actually starts to TELL people. 4 (8.2%)
Not the sign of a very stable individual. 17 (34.7%)
She's GONE CRITICAL! 2 (4.1%)
Useless once she needs a kidney donor or something. 6 (12.2%)
Untenable. 4 (8.2%)
Unusual. 1 (2%)
Undeniably uproariously... 0 (0%)
Wait, what's a simile to "laughable" that stats with a U? 2 (4.1%)
Spathe Ham with Waffles and Wieners! 6 (12.2%)
...okay, that last one *sounded* funny in my head... 7 (14.3%)
Total Members Voted: 49
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Tai matches the wall right now...
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If you try to hold in a fart, it will just build up and get worse. The gas doesn't magically disappear. The best you can hope for, is to delay the fart until you can get some privacy.
Never hold a fart in... it'll travel up your spine into your brain and that's where shitty ideas come from...
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Relationship as a flatulence metaphor.
Fixed it for ya :roll:
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The Tai Fighter will shoot down Sven with a single burst.
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Oh my god, how is Claire so cute in panel 2?
Seriously like the art in this one. And the awkwardness. I always like awkwardness. Makes me feel better in comparison :mrgreen:
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Oh my god, how is Claire so cute in panel 2?
Seriously like the art in this one. And the awkwardness. I always like awkwardness. Makes me feel better in comparison :mrgreen:
I was about to say the same thing, in contrast to yesterday's. (Which I didn't care for at all.) (I should clarify I'm referring to the first two panels of today.)
Jeph's drawing style is one that I find admirable and awesome, but to me the devil is in the backgrounds and contrast. Now, this is partly biased since my phone adds a slight orange tint to everything which messes with my first impressions, but looking at today's versus yesterday's on my PC it's still apparent: Yesterday's comic had vaguely tan, white, black and red colors on a slightly orange-tan background. The background provided no contrast, it was in fact a mix of the colors on-screen blended together to look flat and provide little context.
In today's comic, you've got blues, greens, tans, browns, and a little red from Claire's hair. The background colors match the foreground like yesterday, but unlike yesterday the background doesn't feel like a color-palate mashup. Marten, wearing green and with pale skin, is wonderfully contrasted in front of brown doors, and Claire's red-blue palate is instead placed in front of greens and light tans, giving both characters a lovely background to contrast with their appearance.
And then the last two panels of today give a light background that very closely matches the character's skin, giving them a washed-out look just like yesterday.
I've got a love-hate relationship with the artwork, is what I'm saying.
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Yaaaay Claire keep being adorable
Also Marten don't freak out
Sort of an inevitable realization though. Maybe he'll finally start moving his life in a different direction, or perhaps he will accept his fate as an old library dude.
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Aww, Claire likes having Marten around.
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Aww, Claire likes having Marten around.
Clearly, they're going to bang.
No, not really.
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Once again Claire's attempt at humour falls flat.
I'd wonder if Claire hadn't been raiding Hannelore's closet at some point, as Hanners has worn a similar dress in the past. But given her phobias there's no way Hannelore would loan someone her clothing.
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Loan, no. Give, though?
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OR it's just an easy dress to draw.
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Well, I think you're cute Claire.
Perhaps turning into one of those mean girls, but cute.
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I think Akima has commented on how the Blue Dress with White Piping is a recurring character.
Hannelore gave some clothes away to Momo, we know that.
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Good God. I had that exact conversation at my old job so many times. Even on the day I finally had enough of my man-child of a boss and walked out.
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Marten's set, unless they decide to do what this Florida university did: bookless library (http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/29/bookless-library-new-us-university-florida-polytechnic-digital).
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Must. Not. Unfurl. Sails.
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Aww, Claire likes having Marten around.
Are we being JephTrolol'd ? Or at least having our chains tugged on?
Hm.
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Panel 2 Claire is too friggin' cute for words. Love her.
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Cutest Claire EVER today. I predict I am going to read this one several times more today.
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They're going to have to tear down the building around him.
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(http://i.imgur.com/vwQH3fz.jpg)
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Aww, Claire likes having Marten around.
Are we being JephTrolol'd ? Or at least having our chains tugged on?
Hm.
Likely.
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Is that a blush in panel 2?
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(http://i.imgur.com/vwQH3fz.jpg)
Do it for her?
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(http://i.imgur.com/vwQH3fz.jpg)
Where is that background from? Looks familiar.
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Sort of an inevitable realization though. Maybe he'll finally start moving his life in a different direction, or perhaps he will accept his fate as an old library dude.
Marten's (lack of) career has been discussed before (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,30031.msg1257817.html#msg1257817). Tai has also commented on Marten's dim future (link here (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2214)).
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Where is that background from? Looks familiar.
Simpsons
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Is that a blush in panel 2?
I saw it as one.
The message I got wasn't "you'll never leave this place" but "I'm glad you'll be here forever" which would indeed be a little blush-worthy.
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I think Akima has commented on how the Blue Dress with White Piping is a recurring character.
I certainly have. (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25068.msg965059.html#msg965059):
Faye: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1731
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1736
Faye: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2411
Hanners: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1762
There's the recurring ugly green handbag too:
Faye: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2411
Hanners: http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1762
Claire's dress looks more like Faye's than Hanners' though. She looks nice in it.
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Jeph does seem to fall back on the same clothing most of the time, usually being plain coloured t-shirts, SO MANY PLAIN COLOURED T-SHIRTS. Honestly it's something I have trouble with in my stuff too because I suck at fashion and I know it's easy to fall back on something that's easy to draw, I imagine this is doubly true if you have to get a comic out every day. What I do now is if I see a picture of an outfit or piece of clothing that looks like something I can use I save it to a folder for reference, it really helps.
So yeah it would be cool to see more variation, but I guess I understand it.
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As long as Jeph's "limitation" results in glorious strips featuring Claire in cute dresses, I'm not complaining!
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In der Begrenzung zeigt sich den Meister?
Yeah, I think Jeph's time is better spent on things other than new fashion designs.
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Besides, they're probably all getting them from the same thrift shop in downtown Northampton, anyways.
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There's also the fact that plain coloured t-shirts are the most common clothing item among young adults. Is it really odd to see little variation? Personally, I only own about five outfits.
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Did Marten and Claire start dating while I wasn't paying attention? Lets look at the evidence.
- She doesn't want him to move away.
- She's blushing.
- Marten seems unsurprised by the sentiment.
- They seem to be holding hands just off panel.
So when exactly did something happen between these two? If it didn't already, I think it is just about to.
I never really figured them for a match... although I know you all did.
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To me, it seems like Claire's run through the scenario of dating Marten mentally, and even though she knows she isn't dating him, she subconsciously thinks she is at some level, and treats him as if she were in some ways.
No, I don't have any personal experience with doing that in the past, why do you ask?
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Did Marten and Claire start dating while I wasn't paying attention? Lets look at the evidence.
- She doesn't want him to move away.
- She's blushing.
- Marten seems unsurprised by the sentiment.
- They seem to be holding hands just off panel.
So when exactly did something happen between these two? If it didn't already, I think it is just about to.
I never really figured them for a match... although I know you all did.
Yea I thought she was blushing too, but if you look closely it is actually freckles
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It's possible that Claire takes comfort in the idea that when she finally figures herself out enough to start dating, Marten will still be around.
Except he may not be. I was that guy once. She never did figure herself out, and I moved on.
No, I don't have any personal experience with doing that in the past, why do you ask?
We all process events according to our own personal histories, don't we?
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It's possible that Claire takes comfort in the idea that when she finally figures herself out enough to start dating, Marten will still be around.
Except he may not be. I was that guy once. She never did figure herself out, and I moved on.
Marten was pretty much that guy once. Didn't work out.
I remain unconvinced it ever does.
Yea I thought she was blushing too, but if you look closely it is actually freckles
You're probably right. She's still making cute eyes at him though.To me, it seems like Claire's run through the scenario of dating Marten mentally, and even though she knows she isn't dating him, she subconsciously thinks she is at some level, and treats him as if she were in some ways.
That's very insightful. I wonder if Marten is aware. I could go either way on that one.
Poor old Marten, his job turned into a Harem anime. Now he has the weird one and the shy one (meaning no disrespect; both are archetypes of the genre) both interested in him. Next thing you know, he'll walk in on one of them showing their boobs and he'll get his face slapped. I think there's room for Hannelore in this too, as the totally unavailable one who is still (somehow) kind of in love with him. Or at least she was once.
I apologize if this consitutes shipping. I don't think it does, but I'll take my lumps willingly if moderator opinions vary.
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It's possible that Claire takes comfort in the idea that when she finally figures herself out enough to start dating, Marten will still be around.
Except he may not be.
He may end up in another relationship. But I think she's certainly right that he's not going anywhere. Even if he tries to get his shit together I don't see him uprooting again, even if you ignore that it's a comic and it's not just going to toss out it's whole cast. For better or worse, I think he cares too much about the friendships he's built up to actually leave town.
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To me, it seems like Claire's run through the scenario of dating Marten mentally, and even though she knows she isn't dating him, she subconsciously thinks she is at some level, and treats him as if she were in some ways.
That was my thought, too - I read a little bit of backpedaling in panel 3. (Not to mention the time she sleepwalked into his bed...) Marten's scared of the wrong intern.
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Aww, Claire likes having Marten around.
My first thought.
Must. Not. Unfurl. Sails.
Fuck that. All hands aloft! I want every scrap of canvas we have!
If Marten friend is now in a harem anime (doubtful) who's the yandere one... oh. Wait. Hanners. Most likely to start stabbing people any way.
You know I really wish I had Marten's problems. I really do. He's got a fucking EASY job on a women's college campus where half the work seems to be chasing amorous staff and students out of the stacks while paying more then enough for a nice three story walk up that's walking distance from work, food, bars and everything else you would want, lots of friends, an active social life, a band, and let's be real here, even ignoring Emily and Her Redheadness Claire plenty of romantic prospects. I mean it's a fucking city. There's lots of girls in cities. Some of them even like skinny indy rock dorks who play guitar.
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If Marten friend is now in a harem anime (doubtful) who's the yandere one...
Pintsize, obv.
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Or... maybe she just likes having him around, period, no romance? Marten is a very good and trusted friend to her, especially since AFAIK he's the only person she told about her being trans. It always confuses me a little if I see two characters I read as friends and all around me the shipping starts.
Oh, and disclaimer - I have a history of completely missing social cues, so that's probably a lot of insecurity and mild paranoia ("What did I miiiss!" :psyduck:) on my part, too.
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especially since AFAIK he's the only person she told about her being trans.
She told Emily a bit ago. It ended in hugs.
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Yeah no, they aren't dating and I don't think they're going to start either.
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Jeph will probably tease us about it ruthlessly.
Has there been a scintilla of evidence Claire is even looking for a romantic relationship? She's got a lot going on in her life and may have decided she's better off for now without the complications. Having Marten as a Justafriend may be ideal for her right now.
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Marten's set, unless they decide to do what this Florida university did: bookless library (http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/29/bookless-library-new-us-university-florida-polytechnic-digital).
Great Maker!! THAT'S NOT A LIBRARY! iT'S A HOTEL FOYER!!!!!!
PLOT TWIST
Everybody moves with Angus
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There's also the fact that plain coloured t-shirts are the most common clothing item among young adults. Is it really odd to see little variation? Personally, I only own about five outfits.
Waitwhat. Most people I know wear shirts with some kind of ornament or witty sentence on them.
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There's also the fact that plain coloured t-shirts are the most common clothing item among young adults. Is it really odd to see little variation? Personally, I only own about five outfits.
Waitwhat. Most people I know wear shirts with some kind of ornament or witty sentence on them.
I mostly wear T-shirts with logos or whatever on them, that I often got for free. A lot of them are from conferences, where the recruiters from companies give grad students T-shirts with the companies' logos on them. I'm currently wearing one of those.
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I'd wonder if Claire hadn't been raiding Hannelore's closet at some point, as Hanners has worn a similar dress in the past.
Nah, all the girls in the comic except Dora purchased a copy of the dress because they all thought it was cute, and coordination is done to make sure none of them wear it at the same time. Dora thought the dress sucked like Toto. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/1739)
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Yea I thought she was blushing too, but if you look closely it is actually freckles
You're probably right. She's still making cute eyes at him though.
It could be both.
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You know I really wish I had Marten's problems. I really do. He's got a fucking EASY job on a women's college campus where half the work seems to be chasing amorous staff and students out of the stacks while paying more then enough for a nice three story walk up that's walking distance from work, food, bars and everything else you would want, lots of friends, an active social life, a band, and let's be real here, even ignoring Emily and Her Redheadness Claire plenty of romantic prospects. I mean it's a fucking city. There's lots of girls in cities. Some of them even like skinny indy rock dorks who play guitar.
Yeah, seriously. It makes it kind of hard to take his mopey woe-is-me attitude seriously. He's not whiny, but for someone who has it pretty good he never seems very happy. Seems lately nobody has any "real" problems so they have to resort to making their insecurities and minor social slights a Big Freaking Deal.
Also, all this relationship drama is getting old. You could change the backgrounds into a high school at this point.
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That's the thing though, Marten doesn't really "have it good". At best, he's settled for what he has, as he's always done. Right now, he's in a decent enough job with a decent place and quite a few friends. The problem is, Marten has never really shown the initiative to go out and get those elements of his life, it's always been someone else's actions - he got fired from the office job, Faye wanted to go to a large apartment, Faye went up and spoke to him and Steve in the bar.
Everything in Marten's life has been a reaction to what others have wanted or done. And everything will remain the same for him unless he can become that bit more confident and determined. I'm not saying Marten is a coward, far from it, it takes a lot of guts to move across a country for a girl (not a lot of brains, but that's a different story), but the guy has no drive to take chances for himself.
That is Marten's real problem and it is a big deal because the guy will never be truly happy because he just keeps settling for whatever.
That is Marten's central conflict.
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Self actualization vs. Being in a pretty solid living condition are very different things. Marten's got a good gig. A lot of people settle. It's a normal part of the human condition in much of the world. Shit job for survivable pay, doing something you enjoy on your own time when you have energy. Rinse, wash, repeat.
Let's go to Maslow's shall we?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs.svg/450px-Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs.svg.png)
When we're talking about living conditions we're talking about tiers one and two. Marten friend's pretty solid there. Tier 3 as well, not one but TWO dads, a mom who is very loving... in her own special way, lots of friends. No current romantic partner, but Marten's done okay when he's actually been in the saddle even if he is a bit shy about getting on the horse. Or ends up facing the wrong end on occasion. Marten's issues are solidly spread across four and five. His confidence is no where to be found, and while he has friends we've noted in this very forum on many occasions that Marten gets maligned by said friends fairly often. Now I personally think those friends respect him, but it might not feel that way to Marten.
What Marten is reaching for in his life is meaning. Purpose. He has his passions and desires, but just can't seem to run with them. Understandably so. Risks are fucking scary. It's even harder to take risks when you don't even have the semblance of a game plan. I'm not going to bother and dig it up, but during the unemployment ark Dora asked him what he wanted to do his answer was "Something with music I guess". Hardly something to aspire to. Rock god? Okay there's a way to plan for that. Music professor at SMIF? Very plannable (step 1: gather more black mail on the faculty... uh... get music graduate degree *cough*). Music blogger/journalist? Well maybe not, we saw how long that blog project lasted.
So I'd say Marten's issue isn't so much his ability to take chances. As we've noticed he can be brave when he needs to be. However where Marten runs into trouble is the same place many of us do. Setting a course so we know what chances to take. How many people do you know who are doing there jobs because that's their dream job? How many people do you know who, as childhood fades can even tell you what their dream job is?
All the wind in all the sails in the world won't help you if you don't know where your destination is. "All I ask for is a tall ship, and a star to steer her by" we all have the metaphorical ship. Some in better condition then others fair, but the star. Ah the star. Without that a ship may as well be beached.
So when I say I wish I had Marten's problems, it's sensible to feel that way when you're struggling or having issues with work, food and shelter, rebuilding a social circle and being lonely, the more base of the needs on Maslow's... it can be appealing to have those base needs taken care of and struggle instead with the more ethereal.
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Everything in Marten's life has been a reaction to what others have wanted or done.
Heh, being reminded that he's had a decent life pretty much dumped into his lap with little or no effort doesn't make me any more sympathetic to his "plight." That's a good post, Garand, but being the blunt prick that I am the only thing I can think is "Suck it up, you big baby." Get a hobby. Those of us still struggling for the first two layers of the pyramid don't bitch and mope that much.
Same thing with Dora. Oh, boo hoo, Sven has it better than her and said some dumb things. Worse than Hitler. When has Sven ever stolen from her? Or lied to her? When has he ever left her stranded somewhere or left her somewhere to fend for herself while he went off to get high or seek other selfish needs? He's kind of a douche, but I know plenty of people who have actual bad people in their families and still keep them as family. Get back to me when Sven's fucked her girlfriend, crashed her car, and stolen her purse to buy coke. Maybe then she can complain, but this "he has bad timing and is kind of a jerk" thing is bullshit. It's also barely even her business. What, were things going too well, and now she needs to create a problem? Can't let the woman who was literally throwing men across her coffee shop earlier in the comic take care of her own shit?
One thing I have to applaud is the "Hanners misses Marigold" thing earlier. Hanners was all "we haven't hung out in a while, we should hang out." And Marigold was all "oh yeah, sorry. Let's totally hang out." And then they did it. Two adults. Solving a minor social problem. Without turning it into Drama-palooza. Awesome.
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Marten's set, unless they decide to do what this Florida university did: bookless library (http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/aug/29/bookless-library-new-us-university-florida-polytechnic-digital).
Why does this remind me of the cheese shop sketch?
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Or ends up facing the wrong end on occasion.
My horse is stuck in reverse! Plus, it's missing its head, and it has a really weird looking butt!
That's because you're sitting on it backwards, Frank.
OOOOOOOH, that explains why it didn't like that apple I tried to feed it.
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Oh my. Music professor as a goal is one of the most insightful ideas I've seen here.
You see, sometimes even the low-level jobs at universities come with tuition benefits.
Marten likes studying music and has shown some interest in teaching it.
He'll be constantly surrounded by people who share his interests if he succeeds.
I'm impressed.
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I had to make an account to say that this a really contrived and ham-fisted way to force this drama. Can't anything ever just blow over in this comic?
Why would you read a comic in which things blow over?
'Mom has cancer!'
'Oh shit!'
'No, wait, she's better now.'
'Oh, okay. What a great day we're having!'
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Oh my. Music professor as a goal is one of the most insightful ideas I've seen here.
You see, sometimes even the low-level jobs at universities come with tuition benefits.
Marten likes studying music and has shown some interest in teaching it.
He'll be constantly surrounded by people who share his interests if he succeeds.
I'm impressed.
I've had that bouncing around my head for awhile. When he's not drinking, moping, having coffee or dealing with teh dramz, Marten's life revolves around music. He's spoken fondly about his own music education and honestly if you want to get paid for something you're obsessed with, being able to teach the subject related to that thing isn't a terrible way to go about it. Depending on SMIF's grad student program a lot of Master's and Phd programs are "paid' by the school provided you work for the school in a research capacity. That's a bit tougher with music, but theory is a thing that exists.
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Also, if Smif is anything like Smith, their grad programs allow men to enroll.
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I had to make an account to say that this a really contrived and ham-fisted way to force this drama. Can't anything ever just blow over in this comic?
Why would you read a comic in which things blow over?
'Mom has cancer!'
'Oh shit!'
'No, wait, she's better now.'
'Oh, okay. What a great day we're having!'
Wanting one thing to either not become a problem or just come about in a less hacky way isn't the same as wanting a comic where no conflict ever happens. You know this, I don't have to actually explain it.
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Seems lately nobody has any "real" problems so they have to resort to making their insecurities and minor social slights a Big Freaking Deal.
QC has always been a light-hearted comic where people don't have the kinds of life problems they have in Something Positive, to pick one example. If your tastes run to heavy drama then QC will never satisfy you.
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Well, it's not like I'm new to the comic. I know the tone. However, it seems to have shifted a bit from the light-heartedness to frickin' Degrasse.
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When has Sven ever stolen from her?
Well once. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1896)
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When has Sven ever stolen from her?
Well once. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1896)
Twice. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=763)
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Whenever I see a complaint in these threads about the pacing of the story or the amount of drama, my eye goes first to the forum member's post count.
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Well, I was content to just read the comic every day and enjoy it for the past couple years until I had something to gripe about.
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I won't say we don't gripe, but that's not all we do here.
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I won't say we don't gripe, but that's not all we do here.
This is true. We also make puns and ship Marten and Claire as subtly as we can so there's plausible deniability.
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This is true. We also make puns and ship Marten and Claire as subtly as we can so there's plausible deniability.
We also use false sarcasm when we can't manage the subtlety.
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Also, during busy periods, some people like to modify and repost the new replies notification.
Warning - while you were thinking of (and subsequently searching for) this warning post, no new replies have been posted. Proceed, or whatever.
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One of these days we need to have a "post of the year" poll. That one would probably get some votes. :)
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'Mom has cancer!'
'Oh shit!'
'No, wait, she's better now.'
'Oh, okay. What a great day we're having!'
"I can confirm that I definitely have breast cancer."
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She can tell Tai in her own time. The only possible drama I see here is between Dora and Faye, which will be resolved by positive changes, and between Dora and Tai, who may be a little hurt that Dora'd tell Marten but not her, and that'll either be all right or they'll eventually decide they're kinda meh together and somewhere down the line Dora will realize that she needs to do more to improve her situation than to cut and shuffle people.
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'Mom has cancer!'
'Oh shit!'
'No, wait, she's better now.'
'Oh, okay. What a great day we're having!'
"I can confirm that I definitely have breast cancer."
'Johnny is such a good man!'
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J. Jacques Jameson tweeted
I JUST DREW AN ENTIRE COMIC WITH CLAIRE WEARING THE WRONG OUTFIT D: D: D: D: D:
Hey, he caught it early.
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Someone wanna tackle this week's WCDT?
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J. Jacques Jameson tweeted
I JUST DREW AN ENTIRE COMIC WITH CLAIRE WEARING THE WRONG OUTFIT D: D: D: D: D:
Hey, he caught it early.
Before posting = early (from our point of view)
After drawing the whole thing = late (from his).
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Someone wanna tackle this week's WCDT?
With or without Shoulder Pads?
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When has Sven ever stolen from her? Or lied to her? When has he ever left her stranded somewhere or left her somewhere to fend for herself while he went off to get high or seek other selfish needs? He's kind of a douche, but I know plenty of people who have actual bad people in their families and still keep them as family. Get back to me when Sven's fucked her girlfriend, crashed her car, and stolen her purse to buy coke. Maybe then she can complain, but this "he has bad timing and is kind of a jerk" thing is bullshit. It's also barely even her business. What, were things going too well, and now she needs to create a problem? Can't let the woman who was literally throwing men across her coffee shop earlier in the comic take care of her own shit?
oh man, my thoughts exactly.