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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Inlander on 25 Jan 2008, 22:41
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D'OH!
Sorry guys, we had a topic on this and I accidentally deleted it when my mouse skipped across the page just as I clicked the button. Damn optical mouses!
I don't know if there's any way to get back all the posts that were in the old topic (only 29, for the record) so here's a new thread for the same discussion.
Sorry!
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Silly Harry.
Here we are anyway:
1 Muse Knights of Cydonia
2 Silverchair Straight Lines (what)
3 Kings Of Leon On Call
4 John Butler Trio Better Than
5 Faker This Heart Attack
6 Foo Fighters The Pretender
7 Daft Punk Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger (live)
8 Cold War Kids Hang Me Up To Dry
9 Soko I'll Kill Her
10 Panics, The Don't Fight It
11 Bluejuice Vitriol
12 Wombats, The Let's Dance To Joy Division
13 Kaiser Chiefs Ruby
14 Muscles Ice Cream
15 Powderfinger Lost And Running
16 Gyroscope Snakeskin
17 M.I.A Paper Planes
18 Presets, The My People
19 Architecture In Helsinki Heart It Races
20 Kanye West Stronger
21 Chemical Brothers The Salmon Dance
22 John Butler Trio Used To Get High
23 White Stripes Icky Thump
24 Bloc Party Hunting For Witches
25 Urthboy We Get Around
26 Hilltop Hoods Recapturing The Vibe (Restrung)
27 Operator Please Just A Song About Ping Pong
28 Silversun Pickups Lazy Eye
29 Regina Spektor Real Love (Like A Version)
30 Silverchair If You Keep Losing Sleep
31 Angus & Julia Stone Wasted
32 Kisschasy Opinions Won't Keep You Warm At Night
33 Kings Of Leon Fans
34 Feist 1234
35 Justice D.A.N.C.E
36 Architecture In Helsinki Hold Music
37 Cold War Kids Hospital Beds
38 Beautiful Girls I Thought About You
39 Cut Copy Hearts On Fire
40 Bloc Party I Still Remember
41 Modest Mouse Dashboard
42 Tegan And Sara Back In Your Head
43 Lupe Fiasco (Feat. Matthew Santos) Superstar
44 My Chemical Romance Teenagers
45 Angus & Julia Stone The Beast
46 British India Tie Up My Hands
47 Cog What If
48 Bloc Party Flux
49 Arctic Monkeys Fluorescent Adolescent
50 Cat Empire So Many Nights
51 Missy Higgins Peachy
52 Kisschasy Spray On Pants
53 Missy Higgins Steer
54 Klaxons Golden Skans
55 John Butler Trio Good Excuse
56 Xavier Rudd Better People
57 Midnight Juggernauts Into The Galaxy
58 Muse Invincible
59 Fratellis Chelsea Dagger
60 Kings Of Leon Charmer
61 Birds Of Tokyo Wayside
62 Cat Empire No Longer There
63 Karnivool The Only Way
64 Shins, The Australia
65 Editors Smokers Outside The Hospital Doors
66 Powderfinger I Don't Remember
67 Amy Winehouse Rehab (feat. Jay-Z)
68 Ben Kweller Penny On The Train Track
69 Digitalism Pogo
70 Tegan And Sara The Con
71 Butterfly Effect Reach
72 Jose Gonzalez Down The Line
73 Grinspoon Black Tattoo
74 British India Run The Red Light
75 Kasabian Shoot the Runner
76 Muscles Sweaty
77 Operator Please Get What You Want
78 Arctic Monkeys Brianstorm
79 Josh Pyke Lines On Palms
80 Silverchair Reflections Of A Sound
81 Arcade Fire No Cars Go
82 Foo Fighters Long Road To Ruin
83 Wolfmother Pleased To Meet You
84 Chemical Brothers Do It Again
85 Yeah Yeah Yeahs Down Boy
86 Midnight Juggernauts Tombstone
87 Jackson Jackson Eliza
88 Cops The Message
89 Queens Of The Stone Age Sick, Sick, Sick
90 Clare Bowditch & The Feeding Set When The Lights Went Down
91 Josh Pyke Sew My Name
92 Waifs, The Sun Dirt Water
93 Bumblebeez Dr Love
94 Radiohead Jigsaw Falling Into Place
95 Regina Spektor Samson
96 Ben Lee Love Me Like The World Is Ending
97 Josh Pyke Forever Song
98 Interpol The Heinrich Maneuver
99 Hives, The Tick Tick Boom
100 Pnau Wild Strawberries
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I'm hoping that number one is going to be Art Brut - Direct Hit.
I don't know why I get excited about this every year, I always end up disappointed with how much john butler trio there is in the list.
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How is silverchair number 2?
This is not right?
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"Knights of Cydonia" wins.
At least it wasn't Straight Lines.
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Half of the list I recognize and like, the other half I've never even heard of but I guess I would probably like that too so I'll check it out.
I'm disappointed that the hives ended up so far down the list and with a song that really is sub-par compared to most others on the black and white album.
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I am actually really disappointed in the top 10. I like 11 to 19 so much better! My three favourite songs of the year actually came 12, 13, and 14 respectively.
So hey: whose predictions were right? I was betting on Real Love to be #1 and was kind of surprised that it came so much lower.
Who was pissed that lots of awesome things didn't make it in? I scoured the list for mentions of Blonde Redhead. Nothing! Also yeah McTaggart, after all the airplay Direct Hit had I am surprised it didn't get anywhere. Only one Cops song and it wasn't even Cop Pop.
Oh well, it will still make for a rockin' playlist.
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To be fair, "Knights Of Cydonia" was shit-hot this year.
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Yes but it didn't actually get a lot of airplay. I think possibly Guitar Hero had a large hand in this!
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Man, guitar hero definitely has a huge impact nowadays. It's actually pretty cool.
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Why do people like Ice Cream more than Sweaty?
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"Sweaty" is a great song but "Ice Cream" is just about as addictive as its namesake.
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I like one song out of that 100. And it was number 42! Ah well, it should have been higher but a lot of that list is the reason why I don't listen to JJJ anymore.
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How is silverchair number 2?
This is not right?
I don't get why this is surprising.
Silverchair are a popular band and Straight Lines was the number 1 single for fucking ages. Lots of young people listen to Silverchair. Triple J is the national youth broadcaster.
The fact that they are mind-blowingly shit doesn't really enter into the equation. I'm incredibly surprised they didn't take the number one spot.
Why is it surprising that a majority of people generally have a pretty dodgy taste in music? It's a blessing that the list is as good as it is.
To sum up, the top 10 is quite shit but I'm happy that the Cold War Kids and Daft Punk made it, Knights of Cydonia is a great choice for number 1 because it's an anthem and a pretty good thing to represent the year IMO. I have no idea why the Foo Fighters qualify at all, The Wombats can suck a dick, hooray for the Midnight Juggernauts and M.I.A and thank fuck Harder Better Faster Stronger was higher up the list than Kanye.
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Why do people like Ice Cream more than Sweaty?
I think more accurately the question is why do people like Muscles?
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People like muscles because they like fun. DO YOU HATE FUN??
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Wait, wait.
I think the most important thing here is imagining Jimmy rock out to Tegan and Sara.
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People like muscles because they like fun. DO YOU HATE FUN??
I like fun, but dislike boring derivative music like Muscles.
He's really terrible live too.
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The Living End didn't release anything this year, though, did they?
I was happy that Vitriol got fairly high; but I didn't vote or really listen to the countdown, so I'm not really able to complain about the order, anyway.
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Honestly, I don't think Muscles is terribly derivative. When I hear any track on the album I don't immediately think of twenty other tracks that sound the same. Alot of the rest of the list, like a lot of the rock and a lot of the dance (have the Chemical Brothers made any new tracks in the last 5 years?) strike me as much more derivative in that they sound like a lot of the rest of the stuff on the list. Muscles just sounds like Muscles. He's got this energy that sets him apart from a lot of the rest of the dance music there is. Things like Pendulum and the Chemical Brothers' new tracks sound pretty boring and flat all the way through and seem to try and avoid having parts that stand out from the rest of the tracks. They feel like you're not meant to hear the music and they're not meant to have any effect on how you feel. Muscles is out to make people dance, rather than just be there so that people have something to dance to.
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People like muscles because they like fun. DO YOU HATE FUN??
You're joking right? This argument seriously enrages me, more than any other.
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It was hardly an argument.
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He's really terrible live too.
This much is true. Sooooooo true. Seriously, for half his songs he didn't sing the melody line, and he stood behind a stupid keyboard/mic stand the whole time. The few times he used the keyboard, you couldn't tell if anything he did on it corresponded to musical events.
That being said, I do enjoy his music, and don't find him derivative (what the other guy said). He's got a fairly unique dance-pop niche and a signature vocal style.
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Honestly, I don't think Muscles is terribly derivative. When I hear any track on the album I don't immediately think of twenty other tracks that sound the same. Alot of the rest of the list, like a lot of the rock and a lot of the dance (have the Chemical Brothers made any new tracks in the last 5 years?) strike me as much more derivative in that they sound like a lot of the rest of the stuff on the list. Muscles just sounds like Muscles. He's got this energy that sets him apart from a lot of the rest of the dance music there is. Things like Pendulum and the Chemical Brothers' new tracks sound pretty boring and flat all the way through and seem to try and avoid having parts that stand out from the rest of the tracks. They feel like you're not meant to hear the music and they're not meant to have any effect on how you feel. Muscles is out to make people dance, rather than just be there so that people have something to dance to.
I've only really heard him live, and from that I do not intend to ever listen to him again. The music and Muscles himself are so simple and boring that it's almost insulting. He seemed to put no effort into the music and the only interaction he had with the crowd was when he reminded them who he was after every fucking song and when he kept telling people to "get into it".
LCD Soundsystem released an album last year but the Australian public doesn't seem to have noticed. 1000000000 x better than Muscles on record and live.
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It's probably got a lot to do with radio play rather than some songs on the album that didn't get played much being pretty ok. Muscles works really well in a radio setting, LCD Soundsystem not so much. Their catchy song that got airplay was hard to take seriously but not so clearly a joke that it was fun. Constantly thinking "oh god they can't be serious" doesn't translate to good times which doesn't translate to many votes. Songs that get played at parties and generally times you're buzzing do better, hence all the dance and rock and Regina Spector's John Lennon cover placing so far down.
You also have to consider that triple j's audience is not you, it seems to be the sort of people who carry on their innane little conversations with Rosie Beaton every weekday and call up the radio at 1 in the morning to brag about how pissed they're getting.
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I've only really heard him live, and from that I do not intend to ever listen to him again. The music and Muscles himself are so simple and boring that it's almost insulting. He seemed to put no effort into the music and the only interaction he had with the crowd was when he reminded them who he was after every fucking song and when he kept telling people to "get into it".
I can see why you'd dislike him then. The major (read: only) difference between Muscles' music live and on record is that on record he has about 50 vocal layers in every song which makes the songs not completely suck like they can live. You probably wouldn't like him anyway though.
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People like muscles because they like fun. DO YOU HATE FUN??
I hate fun!
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It's true, we do hate fun. We listen to fun music for the irony of the situation.
What is this 'Triple J hottest 100?' :|
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It's probably got a lot to do with radio play rather than some songs on the album that didn't get played much being pretty ok. Muscles works really well in a radio setting, LCD Soundsystem not so much. Their catchy song that got airplay was hard to take seriously but not so clearly a joke that it was fun. Constantly thinking "oh god they can't be serious" doesn't translate to good times which doesn't translate to many votes. Songs that get played at parties and generally times you're buzzing do better, hence all the dance and rock and Regina Spector's John Lennon cover placing so far down.
You also have to consider that triple j's audience is not you, it seems to be the sort of people who carry on their innane little conversations with Rosie Beaton every weekday and call up the radio at 1 in the morning to brag about how pissed they're getting.
Yeah, I lost faith in Triple J a long time ago. fbi 94.5 is much better, but they have shitty hosts in the morning now. Hopefully it won't go the way of Triple J.
Also I can completely understand why people like him, it's just annoying that there's a lot of way better dance music out there and yet Muscles gets the audience. Oh well.
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My verdict:
Plus points for JBT, minus points for pretty much everything else.
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Some people have touched on this and it is something that i find really interesting as far as cultural differences go: The complete absence of LCD Soundsystem. In a lot of places, Sound of Silver was one of the if not the best ranked record of the whole year and many of its tracks recieved huge praise. But it is nowhere to be found on this list.
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It probably has a lot to do with the length of LCD Soundsystem songs. Triple J's general audience doesn't really have the longest attention spans.
They also don't venture much outside of what Triple J feeds to them, so stuff that doesn't get played on there will not get on the list. I'm not making assumptions or trying to make out that I'm so much better than them, as I used to be exactly like this. I pretty much listened exclusively to music played on Triple J.
I'm really surprised there weren't more Operator Please songs on there (this is a very good thing). I was expecting they would dominate the list like Wolfmother did last year.
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You also have to remember that it's individual tracks rather than albums. I'm sure the album was really good and all as an album, but none of the singles really stood out (other than North American Scum, but I've already said how I feel about that one).
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see, All My Friends topped a whole lot of lists.
from wikipedia:
In late 2007 the song was picked by the journalists of influential online music site Pitchfork Media as the #1 track of 2007[1] and it was selected by Guardian Unlimited readers as the best single of 2007[2].Time magazine named "All My Friends" one of The 10 Best Songs of 2007, ranking it at #4. Writer Josh Tyrangiel praised the “magic” in the song, saying that the song’s “straightforward repetition of the same guitar, keyboard and bass lines, combined with lyrics about life without regret, and life with all kinds of regrets pays off with a punch about what we lose as we get older."[3][4]
I also remember Spin, Q, Rolling Stone, Uncut and a whole bunch of other magazines heaping praise on it.
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I really don't think that got much airplay. It took me a long time to figure out which song it was. I'll agree that it's a good song though, and in my mind better than a lot that's on the list. I think it's one of the songs that you will notice if you're actively listening, rather than just having the radio on in the background which I think is how most people listen to the radio.
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all I am really saying is "I find it curious that this album/song/artist did not recieve airplay or recognition specifically in Australia when it recieved so much in the rest of the world"
FWIW, I think that song is better than everything else on the top 100 list
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combined
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also: Battles
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Australia: try harder.
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actually, I am going over the list and deciding which songs i'd keep for my own top 100
7 Daft Punk Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger (live) kinda
8 Cold War Kids Hang Me Up To Dry
17 M.I.A Paper Planes
33 Kings Of Leon Fans
34 Feist 1234
35 Justice D.A.N.C.E
36 Architecture In Helsinki Hold Music
39 Cut Copy Hearts On Fire
70 Tegan And Sara The Con
72 Jose Gonzalez Down The Line
76 Muscles Sweaty
81 Arcade Fire No Cars Go
94 Radiohead Jigsaw Falling Into Place
95 Regina Spektor Samson ???? I thought this album came out like 2 years ago
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Also is it just me or do almost all the people that call into Triple J have some form of mental deficiency/illness? Or are they just really really stoned?
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That's who calls radio stations. I heard someone ring up Five Live, have a chat with the presenter for about a minute, then admit he didn't have a point about the debate and just wanted to talk.
I haven't heard most of this list but I like the Daft Punk, Feist and Modest Mouse songs quite a bit I suppose.
It probably has a lot to do with the length of LCD Soundsystem songs. Triple J's general audience doesn't really have the longest attention spans.
They also don't venture much outside of what Triple J feeds to them, so stuff that doesn't get played on there will not get on the list. I'm not making assumptions or trying to make out that I'm so much better than them, as I used to be exactly like this. I pretty much listened exclusively to music played on Triple J.
I miss thinking diverse was liking everything mtv2 played in the daytime, and even some of that weird late night stuff on 120 minutes. I miss being able to own all the cds I wanted to.
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That's who calls radio stations. I heard someone ring up Five Live, have a chat with the presenter for about a minute, then admit he didn't have a point about the debate and just wanted to talk.
I haven't heard most of this list but I like the Daft Punk, Feist and Modest Mouse songs quite a bit I suppose.
It probably has a lot to do with the length of LCD Soundsystem songs. Triple J's general audience doesn't really have the longest attention spans.
They also don't venture much outside of what Triple J feeds to them, so stuff that doesn't get played on there will not get on the list. I'm not making assumptions or trying to make out that I'm so much better than them, as I used to be exactly like this. I pretty much listened exclusively to music played on Triple J.
I miss thinking diverse was liking everything mtv2 played in the daytime, and even some of that weird late night stuff on 120 minutes. I miss being able to own all the cds I wanted to.
Haha, me too. I used to think Triple J was so damn cool and alternative.
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Emilio, population size has a fair bit to do with this, I think. You have to remember two things:
1) The majority of any given population will listen to crappy mainstream music;
2) Australia has a relatively small population (20 million people).
Take those two things together and you realise that the "indie" community in Australia is much smaller than in somewhere such as the U.S. or the U.K. And while Triple-J markets itself as an "alternative" radio station, and while it certainly plays a hell of a lot more new music than the other major pop stations in Australia, it's still very much a mainstream station in a lot of ways: by and large it's no longer interested in playing stuff that might weird people out, or which listeners might have difficulty fitting into preconceived notions of music, or which in general will be outside their realm of musical experience. Which is why on a list such as this you get a preponderance of crappy music: because (A) most of the music that Triple-J plays is crappy anyway, and (B) even when Triple-J plays non-crappy music, the fairly mainstream tastes of the audience will dictate that it's the crappy that wins out. Were an independent (and much smaller) radio station such as Triple-R in Melbourne to do a similar end-of-year list, the result would be quite different.
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4zzz in Brisbane does this every year and it does indeed produce a very different style of list. As a local radio station it ends up pretty solidly weighted towards local music, but I'd still say it kicked the hell out of the JJJ one.
http://www.4zzzfm.org.au/events/hot100/ has the list for this year.
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I wish Triple J would stop worrying about how many listeners they get and and whether or not they're weirding people out and play some actually interesting music. The don't need ratings because they don't get money from advertisment. They're safe either way.
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I think they need to keep getting ratings to ensure they keep getting funding.
There are still some really good shows on triplej. 2008 with Richard Kingsmill and Mornings with Zan Rowe are hosted by people who seem to enjoy good music. The artist mixtapes and the five-songs-chosen-by-artists are some of my favourite bits of radio.
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thing that everyone needs to remember about JJJ as well is that it's national, and thus is the only alternative radio for everyone in rural areas (who don't get FBi or 4ZZZ or Triple R, etc). where i grew up it was triple j or very bad 'local' top 40/country music stations.
so the kids in the country who vote don't have access to all the inner-city guides to what's cool or isn't, and have little to no original local music scenes. ever considered some of the reason powderfinger/grinspoon/silverchair/living end etc are so popular is because these bands actually play outside our little inner city enclaves?
hence, the listening to what the jays play, voting for not such great stuff, etc etc.
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I like Triple J. Quite a bit. 99.9% of the stuff they play appeals to me. (Also, yes, the only other radio stations we have are idiotic Top 40 style ones.) I am particularly fond of Home and Hosed, the Australian music show, and Roots and All. They play stuff that I like! And it can only count as improvement because two years ago I was buying nothing but Powderfinger and Grinspoon CDs. These days, I've got archives of hundreds of new, local, and extremely kickin' songs. I may not have the "coolest" or most "indie" taste, but this music is what makes me happy.
No need to be so angry about it, kids.
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thing that everyone needs to remember about JJJ as well is that it's national, and thus is the only alternative radio for everyone in rural areas (who don't get FBi or 4ZZZ or Triple R, etc). where i grew up it was triple j or very bad 'local' top 40/country music stations.
so the kids in the country who vote don't have access to all the inner-city guides to what's cool or isn't, and have little to no original local music scenes. ever considered some of the reason powderfinger/grinspoon/silverchair/living end etc are so popular is because these bands actually play outside our little inner city enclaves?
hence, the listening to what the jays play, voting for not such great stuff, etc etc.
I live in the middle of nowhere, Australia. I understand this. What I am trying to say is that they're funded by the government, so ratings don't factor in to funding, or if they do it counts for very little. This means they could probably play some more interesting music as they don't depend on ratings for money.
Also yeah, 2008 is a great show. Richard Kingsmill has a kickass taste in music.
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Re: the Muscles argument - this is possibly a mondegreen but I can hear him singing "we snort ecstasy" on one of his tracks. This makes my head hurt and I really do hope I'm wrong about it.
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He repeatedly chants Peace, Love, Ecstasy in one song so it might not be a mondegreen.
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Also is it just me or do almost all the people that call into Triple J have some form of mental deficiency/illness? Or are they just really really stoned?
Yeah I used to call into JJJ all the time back in the day.
Also, JJJ does need to worry about ratings, because they're government funded and the government would pull the plug if it thought it wasn't getting enough listeners. Luckily, they do what they do very well which is to balance the hipper shit out with the stuff that might be more popular amongst the more culturally isolated people living way out in rural areas. If you really think JJJ should play more interesting music listen to 4ZZZ, RRR or whatever your local equivalent is.
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He repeatedly chants Peace, Love, Ecstasy in one song so it might not be a mondegreen.
It could be a mondegreen on that line...
I'm pretty sure he doesn't sing "we snort ecstacy" in any of his songs.
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Yeah thats definately the lyric you're mishearing. On the upside, I know what the name of that song is now in case I want to request it at work.
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Also is it just me or do almost all the people that call into Triple J have some form of mental deficiency/illness? Or are they just really really stoned?
Yeah I used to call into JJJ all the time back in the day.
Also, JJJ does need to worry about ratings, because they're government funded and the government would pull the plug if it thought it wasn't getting enough listeners. Luckily, they do what they do very well which is to balance the hipper shit out with the stuff that might be more popular amongst the more culturally isolated people living way out in rural areas. If you really think JJJ should play more interesting music listen to 4ZZZ, RRR or whatever your local equivalent is.
I don't have a local radio station. Triple J is the only station I can get where I live other than ABC. They do do a pretty good job balancing, yeah, but whatever, the Mediafire thread here has all the music I need.