Dora is going to stumble in on them in a few seconds and freak out.
Dora SURELY isn't that insecure/stupid. :|
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This is, however, consistent with Dora's unpredictable jealousy.
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Frigging called it!Yeah well, that snuck up on us like an dustbin* falling down a concrete staircase.
While I hate to say this - and I'm going to sound like a 13-year-old Apprentice Douchebag by even saying it... ohGodDoracameltoe. I know that it's the seam of her boyshorts, I know it's not what it looks like, and I know it's just realistic drawing to show the curve of her thighs, but... my eyes slid across from Marten and Faye and then I saw that Dora's midsection was in line with my eyes and then I glanced down and HELLO CAMEL TOE. I'm a bad person.
*Ash-can for USAnians?
I've only heard it used for as another name for depth charges. But I live in the South: we be different.*Ash-can for USAnians?
I believe trash can, is the most widely used Americanism in this situation, but ash can is acceptable as a regional/temporal variation.
Get in line.Dora is going to stumble in on them in a few seconds and freak out.
Frigging called it!
I've only heard it used for as another name for depth charges. But I live in the South: we be different/
"He don' know me vewwy well, DO he?"Dora SURELY isn't that insecure/stupid. :|lol
Frigging called it!Yeah well, that snuck up on us like an dustbin* falling down a concrete staircase.
*Ash-can for USAnians?
While everyone's going off on how unrealistic it is for Dora to be a little suspicious at the situation think for half a second:
a. She is somewhat insecure about here relationship, no real reason but then everbody's got some sort of hangup, her's is this;
b. She wakes up in the middle of the night and finds her boyfriend and the girl he had the hots for in a hug (which we can see is platonic, but Dora doesn't have the benefit of our angle) and neither is wearing pants;
c. She knows that he "Still has feelings" for;
d. How rational are you within 5 minutes of waking up?
I'm figuring 2-3 strips of hilarilious misunderstanding, followed by making up.
*lets themacnut borrow The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks*
Frigging called it!Yeah well, that snuck up on us like an dustbin* falling down a concrete staircase.
*Ash-can for USAnians?
...also. While I hate to say this - and I'm going to sound like a 13-year-old Apprentice Douchebag by even saying it... ohGodDoracameltoe. I know that it's the seam of her boyshorts, I know it's not what it looks like, and I know it's just realistic drawing to show the curve of her thighs, but... my eyes slid across from Marten and Faye and then I saw that Dora's midsection was in line with my eyes and then I glanced down and HELLO CAMEL TOE. I'm a bad person.
Okay, F*** THIS.
I'm not one to usually spit disparaging remarks if I can help it. But dammit, that is IT. Done. Finito.
I am SICK of Dora and her paranoid bulls***. I don't care if she DOES calm down after a few seconds, I don't care if she's being "territorial." If after all this time, after everything they've all been through, after moving into the apartment - after ALL THAT, to still be her paranoid, ultra-possessive self? F*** THAT.
She makes me SO MAD. Ugh. Ridiculous.
While everyone's going off on how unrealistic it is for Dora to be a little suspicious at the situation think for half a second:
a. She is somewhat insecure about here relationship, no real reason but then everbody's got some sort of hangup, her's is this;
b. She wakes up in the middle of the night and finds her boyfriend and the girl he had the hots for in a hug (which we can see is platonic, but Dora doesn't have the benefit of our angle) and neither is wearing pants;
c. She knows that he "Still has feelings" for;
d. How rational are you within 5 minutes of waking up?
I'm figuring 2-3 strips of hilarious misunderstanding, followed by making up.
Seriously.Snub, stop helping (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StopHelpingMe).
Sometimes I hate when Jeph does this. I love his characters and this story to death, but in all honesty this is so needlessly out of character.
As someone who has a dora brain and does get jealous this is completely ridiculous. Marten would never ever cheat on her and Faye is her best friend. SHE IS NOT THIS PERSON
While everyone's going off on how unrealistic it is for Dora to be a little suspicious at the situation think for half a second:
a. She is somewhat insecure about here relationship, no real reason but then everbody's got some sort of hangup, her's is this;
b. She wakes up in the middle of the night and finds her boyfriend and the girl he had the hots for in a hug (which we can see is platonic, but Dora doesn't have the benefit of our angle) and neither is wearing pants;
c. She knows that he "Still has feelings" for;
d. How rational are you within 5 minutes of waking up?
I'm figuring 2-3 strips of hilarilious misunderstanding, followed by making up.
I'm just enjoying Faye's cute faces in panels 2/3. :lol:
Screw Dora. Jeph has his reasons for making her assume the worse, and I can totally see the tables turning and Dora feeling like a horrible bitch in the next strip after Faye explains that Marten was trying to talk her out of freaking out about Angus. If she can't get over it after that, then there's clearly more to it, but there's no reason to psychoanalyze a fictional character's actions.
No wonder Jeph hates this place...
Jeph has his reasons for making her assume the worse, and I can totally see the tables turning and Dora feeling like a horrible bitch in the next strip after Faye explains that Marten was trying to talk her out of freaking out about Angus.
...there's no reason to psychoanalyze a fictional character's actions.Because it's fun?
I've only heard it used for as another name for depth charges. But I live in the South: we be different/
I believe the word "ashcan" is a remnant from the time when folks heated their houses exclusively with stoves and fireplaces, and would thus need a fireproof container to dispose of potentially hot ashes. A cylindrical steel receptacle with a tight fitting lid would serve that purpose nicely. When not needed for ash duty, it could hold all manner of other contents, for instance, household refuse.
And before this thread becomes the Wikipedia article for waste receptacle, I'll just say that I wouldn't recommend using a modern plastic garbage container for fireplace duty.
What intrigues me is what possibility Jeph has up his sleeve as a start of a story arc. I see a few of them:
- Dora actually leaves Marten for a while - where she'd go is beyond me, though.
- Faye leaves and goes to live with Angus - and Marigold. Hilarity ensues, but it doesn't quite work (and Momo tases Faye a few times).
- Marigold ends up going on a date with Dale after losing a PvP online with his character.
- Hannelore ends up going on a date with some unknown person.
- Cosette burns down the coffee shop.
You certainly can. Not that I know anyone who would stoop so low <whistles>....there's no reason to psychoanalyze a fictional character's actions.Because it's fun?
You can get a degree in psychoanalyzing fictional characters.
You certainly can. Not that I know anyone who would stoop so low <whistles>....there's no reason to psychoanalyze a fictional character's actions.Because it's fun?
You can get a degree in psychoanalyzing fictional characters.
You can get a degree in psychoanalyzing fictional characters.Eng. Lit.?
For me, the fun in reading the comic is in watching somebody else's (AKA Jeph's) creative direction. Sit back and enjoy the ride I say, and stop trying to second-guess where he's going.
...there's no reason to psychoanalyze a fictional character's actions.Because it's fun?
You can get a degree in psychoanalyzing fictional characters.
It's true, my aunt analyzes Buffy the Vampire Slayer for a living.
I am in the "not at all surprised, and very confused about why people are upset by Dora's attitude" camp. Dora seemed like she was in a bad mood already when Marten asked her about Toto--if she wasn't tired and grumpy she probably would have just made fun of him for asking about a band she didn't like, rather than outright insulting it. Also, if I woke up in an empty bed which my boyfriend had been in earlier, and walked out and saw him hugging my friend I knew he used to and may possibly still like, I would probably be upset and ask what was going on, too.
Dora is an entrepreneur, and she works a ton of hours and has a lot of stress in general. I don't find it surprising at all that she's a bit high-strung or that she likes control. I'm surprised that so many people seem to hate her character.
Also yes I am aware that I'm once again brandishing The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks at the fanboy ocean, and I DO NOT CARE.
Also yes I am aware that I'm once again brandishing The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks at the fanboy ocean, and I DO NOT CARE.
OK, where the hell did you get this reference from?
You can get a degree in psychoanalyzing fictional characters.Eng. Lit.?
oh god why did I open this thread
DramaDramaDramaDramaDramaIt'd be my guess.oh god why did I open this thread
Masochism?
She makes a living out of what? No, I will not take it back. I do that for free. Anyone who gets paid for it deserves whatever I can throw at her for making me feel like an unpaid sex worker....there's no reason to psychoanalyze a fictional character's actions.Because it's fun?
You can get a degree in psychoanalyzing fictional characters.
It's true, my aunt analyzes Buffy the Vampire Slayer for a living.
Raoul, you take that back. :x
On the other hand, maybe we'll learn why Dora has trust issues...Well, there was that stuff about all the girls in school who pretended to like her because they wanted to meet her brother...
3) One of the not-Hanners girls stands her ground and counter-chews-out Dora, asking if she even had a basis for why they were doing what they were doing. And possibly going into the whole 'oh yeah remember how Faye is?' thing.
3) One of the not-Hanners girls stands her ground and counter-chews-out Dora, asking if she even had a basis for why they were doing what they were doing. And possibly going into the whole 'oh yeah remember how Faye is?' thing.
As tell-it-like-it-is as Penelope is (and I'm not sure what Cos's personality is, yet), neither of them are actual off-work friends with her. If Hannelore does this, it will come off as "Even Hannelore, of all people, thinks you're being a dick here," which is what she needs right now: not just any person telling her off, but the right person. Faye and Marten are too close; everyone else but Hanners is too far away.
I WILL say this: Dora is definitely being an irrational twat.
I WILL say this: Dora is definitely being an irrational twat.
Then why is Marten still with her?
...because she actually is a fun gal when she's not being territorial?I WILL say this: Dora is definitely being an irrational twat.
Then why is Marten still with her?
I WILL say this: Dora is definitely being an irrational twat.
Then why is Marten still with her?
I WILL say this: Dora is definitely being an irrational twat.
"Hey Marten! Don't come back to your OWN BED THAT YOU LET ME MOVE INTO."For the night, that may be for the best.
oh god why did I open this threadWhy indeed, Jeph?
"Hey Marten! Don't come back to your OWN BED THAT YOU LET ME MOVE INTO."
It is incredibly easy to just up and hate Dora at this moment because it is easy to hate someone who is being completely irrational
Dora's entire character has changed within the past year or so of strips and it is pretty silly. She used to be super cool and understanding, and now she is just an ultra-jealous girlfriend. This kind of thing never would have happened a few years ago in the comic.
Remember when Hanners told off Steve and Marten because they were blaming women for their problems? She is actually pretty good at not sounding accusatory but saying what needs to be said. Someone else will probably find the link to the exact strip faster than I ever could :laugh:http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1103
I personally keep a 4'x 2' oval for receiving incoming woodOkay, I know that area of the body is elastic and everything, but 4'x2'? ? ? ? DAMN.
Now how will Faye see Angus at work?
Also yes I am aware that I'm once again brandishing The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks at the fanboy ocean, and I DO NOT CARE.
OK, where the hell did you get this reference from?
Remember last week's "Awkward Pause" comic when Dora said she hated Toto and it ended with a shot of Sadface Marten? I commented on last week's thread that Dora's reaction to Marten's question, and therefore Marten's reaction to Dora's reaction, made perfect sense in context and were not a reason to start screaming about how they were destined to break up.
I then noted that trying to argue against the screaming horde of plot-haters was rather like "Trying to hold back the ocean with a broom made entirely out of dicks".
This week, as you can see, the Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks is back in play.
Then why is Marten still with her?Masochist tendencies. Look at what his mother does.
Also yes I am aware that I'm once again brandishing The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks at the fanboy ocean, and I DO NOT CARE.
OK, where the hell did you get this reference from?
Remember last week's "Awkward Pause" comic when Dora said she hated Toto and it ended with a shot of Sadface Marten? I commented on last week's thread that Dora's reaction to Marten's question, and therefore Marten's reaction to Dora's reaction, made perfect sense in context and were not a reason to start screaming about how they were destined to break up.
I then noted that trying to argue against the screaming horde of plot-haters was rather like "Trying to hold back the ocean with a broom made entirely out of dicks".
This week, as you can see, the Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks is back in play.
I remember that, I just can't figure out where the hell the concept came from.
Dora SURELY isn't that insecure/stupid. :|She's having her periods.
"Hey Marten! Don't come back to your OWN BED THAT YOU LET ME MOVE INTO."
This is what irritates me the most. It's not like it was your apartment to begin with, Dora. You know this.
(Where the fuck would you GET a broom made of dicks?)
Hell, Angus doesn't even know that Marten used to have a thing for Faye!! Oh man...
Well, well, that was certainly painful to watch. Oooh, Dora! *facepalms*
I do agree that Hannelore would be a good candidate to call Dora for her shit, but that wouldn't be as interesting as other options. For example one involving Angus asking where is Faye, Dora saying something stupid, Angus returning home in despair, telling Marigold about it, Marigold going to Faye in anger for hurting Angus, Faye storming int CoD in RAGE for Dora jepoardizing her budding relationship with Angus, etc.
oh god why did I open this thread
I WILL say this: Dora is definitely being an irrational twat.
Then why is Marten still with her?
I WILL say this: Dora is definitely being an irrational twat.
Then why is Marten still with her?
Because he has the brain and balls to actually try to make a relationship work? This isn't fairytale-verse, there are are arguments. People do irrational dumb shit occasionally. Dora is officially being a bitch right now, but most of the time she isn't and they have a good relationship. If you are even slightly serious about a person - and Marten has said time and again that he loves her - then you DO NOT go straight for a breakup every time the relationship hits a pothole.
Relationships don't just trundle along and turn out perfectly by default. They involve effort and work, sometimes hard work. You have to concede to each other's quirks and flaws, sidestep the areas where you don't match and nurture the areas where you do. There are going to be fights, and some of them will be blistering rows until both of you have learned how to avoid them. In a relatively young relationship, neither side will have really learned how to stop themselves from being irrational cockbuckets, nor how to safely disarm the opposite number when they are.
Marten gets a really raw deal from the fans really. In the past he's done the sensible, mature thing and let it slide off, then picked things up and moved on. And for that he gets called a "pussy" and "spineless" by people who clearly don't understand real relationships.
Maybe this one will turn out to be particularly bad. Maybe it'll turn out that one or both of them get off the defensive and call Dora on her bullshit. We don't know, but we're going to find out in about 20 hours or so
And this is so very very true... I'm in the middle of... something right now and despite all of it, still love her.Then why is Marten still with her?Masochist tendencies. Look at what his mother does.
Or, you know, love. Just 'cause pisses you off with their stupid bullshit doesn't mean you don't still love them.
I understand where Dora's reaction is coming from (she's insecure, she's tired and she's been in a bad mood for a couple comics now) but that doesn't mean she is right. If fact, she's so wrong that Marten needs to give her a good yelling at.May be something to that. That was a sea change for Faye: maybe now it's one for Dora.
Is this the first QC without a punchline since #504?
"Hey Marten! Don't come back to your OWN BED THAT YOU LET ME MOVE INTO."Honestly, I don't care it would be out of character for Martin. I would like to see his balls descend and be all like "Wait what? No. Goddamn it no it doesn't work like that. You cannot kick me out of my own bed, in my own house. You don't wanna sleep with me tonight? YOU can not come to bed."
"Hey Marten! Don't come back to your OWN BED THAT YOU LET ME MOVE INTO."
And if anyone here actually thinks I have something resembling a point, by all means - grab your Useless Brooms Made Entirely Out Of Dicks and stand beside me, fighting the fanboy ocean as hard as ever we can.
Can't I just put on my Canute costume? It'll be easier to explain than the broom to my spouse.
Which MAY potentially be a reason this was only hinted at before. Sure, Faye's allowed to be an irrational bitch but it's okay because her Dad shot himself! Well, no, actually, she's been a real bitch. And when it became such an issue she couldn't function with her friends, she confronted it, and started to overcome it. Well, guess what? Now Dora's being the irrational bitch. And she is damn well allowed to be.
Not trying to belittle anyone's points, but Dora's hardly just crashing with Marten rent-free. He invited her to move in and if he was just going to use the apartment as something that he could hold over her "Hey, it's MY apartment", then I think that would make him the jerk.
... she doesn't let them any chance to explain themselves, by CUTTING THEM MID-SENTENCE. THREE FUCKING TIMES.
I agree Marten's not the type to do it, but I'd love to hear him say "If you're going to jump down my throat every time I'm with another female and unsupervised, what's my incentive to behave myself? You're treating me like a cheater anyway."[/color]Quoted for truth.
All of them. At once. Her Super Period will destroy us all.Dora SURELY isn't that insecure/stupid. :|She's having her periods.
I mostly agree with you, I think the problem some people have is that when Dora has gone on a rage due to jealousy it gets kind of...severe. One example would be the whole thing with Cossette where it seemed more like Dora was trying to trap Marten (he didn't mention it, not out of any desire to keep it hidden just because he didn't think it needed to be said). Dora also fantasizes about other people and it doesn't seem to bother Marten, especially when Dora seems a lot more...forward with some people. I agree that it's more likely Dora is stressed and then this kind of has her in GRRRR mode but I can also see the perspective of the people who get very angry with her for her actions. It might also be noted that Marten seems to have a vague Charlie Brown syndrome going on.
Maybe it's the purple hair. In fact . . . I've got it: Dora becomes more and more angry/irrational, isolating everyone she knows, and years later, she encounters a wormhole that sends her back in time to attack Marten, Faye, and herself in an alley! FutureDora = Vespavenger!
DramaDramaDramaDramaDramaPretty much the only option. A shitstorm was only to be expected. Though perhaps Jeph only intended to gauge reaction to his latest twist, in which case I hope he now knows that these Dora irrationality episodes are more annoying and aggravating than funny or plot advancing.oh god why did I open this thread
Masochism?
Personally I like some drama. It keeps a comic from becoming Peanuts or Family Circus. Couples fight, usually over inconsequential shit. Some people, like Dora, are prone to spates of irrational anger.
Think about this: Faye knocked on a door which belongs to both Marten and Dora, but she only asked for Marten. Marten, or Faye, or both, could easily have given Dora a shake when Faye is panicking hard and talked it all out together--Dora -does- do comforting well when given the opportunity. Marten was in his room--he had pants handy, he could easily have pulled a pair on before walking out, though I understand why he didn't. Instead, Dora wakes up in the middle of the night to find her boyfriend gone, she walks out into the living room and sees him hugging a girl she knows he used to like.
But Dora is operating on limited information, & is behaving rationally, if not nicely.
But Dora is operating on limited information, & is behaving rationally, if not nicely.
What comic are you reading?
Yes, Dora is running on limited information. However she is actively shutting out all additional information and is instead overreacting to her own conclusions (as always). She's clearly not thinking anything through, and doesn't particularly want to. She's essentially taken the two people she's afraid of getting together and giving them several opportunities to do just that. Locking Marten out of their room for the night, putting Faye on administrative leave (or outright firing her, the dialogue is unclear at this point) so she essentially has more time to spend at home alone with Marten...
This is going to wind up with Dora getting a good yelling-at from a third (fourth?) party. Most likely it's going to be Hannelore, the comic's resident expert on freaking out. (Of all people she'd know that in a panic attack you usually run to the nearest available confidant.)
This is going to wind up with Dora getting a good yelling-at from a third (fourth?) party. Most likely it's going to be Hannelore, the comic's resident expert on freaking out. (Of all people she'd know that in a panic attack you usually run to the nearest available confidant.)Plus, Hannelore can possibly learn from Marigold that the date went well, and contradict Dora if she comes to ramble about it, which could very well interrupt her paranoid fantasy.
(Where the fuck would you GET a broom made of dicks?)
San Francisco, but you can get them shipped to anywhere except Texas, Mississippi and Alabama.
San Francisco, but you can get them shipped to anywhere except Texas, Mississippi and Alabama.
Hey!! We have better things to do than make useless items such as these!! We're a major metropolitan area! They're probably made in Iowa or North Dakota, where there is literally nothing better to do :)
This could get worse.Holy shit! :-o
Imagine attempted helpful intervention from Pintsize.
I thought of something else.
SOMETHING woke Dora up.
The sound of talking. So if it woke her up, and she had time to get dressed (as she appeared to be sleeping nude or at least topless), then surely she would have heard the conversation of 'I really like Angus' and 'I'm glad you're my friend'.
SHE MUST HAVE OVERHEARD THEM TO HAVE GONE IN DAMMIT
SO what the fuck is she playing at? Looking for an excuse to dump Marten? To fire Faye? To TAKE OVER THE APARTMENT FOR HERSELF.
We may never know.
...or just find out tomorrow.
I thought of something else.
SOMETHING woke Dora up.
The sound of talking. So if it woke her up, and she had time to get dressed (as she appeared to be sleeping nude or at least topless), then surely she would have heard the conversation of 'I really like Angus' and 'I'm glad you're my friend'.
SHE MUST HAVE OVERHEARD THEM TO HAVE GONE IN DAMMIT
SO what the fuck is she playing at? Looking for an excuse to dump Marten? To fire Faye? To TAKE OVER THE APARTMENT FOR HERSELF.
We may never know.
...or just find out tomorrow.
I think you're on to something. When you read Dora's dialogue, she never actually says that she's upset or what she's upset about. Instead, she focuses instead on how it looks, and how they should have known how it looked. She's basically saying "You know that I'm a jealous girl with trust issues, so you should have known that if I saw this I'd be upset." Note that she's not accusing them of anything.
I think it's likely tomorrow's strip is her returning to the room to apologize, but in the meantime, I think that she's angry because she feels she can be, not because something really bothered her.
Hey!! We have better things to do than make useless items such as these!! We're a major metropolitan area! They're probably made in Iowa or North Dakota, where there is literally nothing better to do :)
San Francisco, but you can get them shipped to anywhere except Texas, Mississippi and Alabama.
Hey!! We have better things to do than make useless items such as these!! We're a major metropolitan area! They're probably made in Iowa or North Dakota, where there is literally nothing better to do :)
Oh come on now. There's no such thing as Iowa.
Martin should just get himself a fatty next time, they are much friendlier. Skinny girls rage and throw tantrums all the time because they know that they can just get rid of a guy whenever they want and get a new one within a couple hours. Fatties are nice to their boyfriends because they have nowhere else to go.
I feel like the overall point is that, sure, lots of things could have been done, but no one was in a state to really do them. And really, it shouldn't have mattered. I agree with someone else who posted in here, that Dora makes every issue about herself, whether or not it is.I agree with the first sentence, but the second isn't true. Dora certainly makes every issue that might be some indicator that Marten is about to leave her about herself, even, admittedly, when it's not. That was at the core, I think, of her blow-up at Marten for supporting Faye when the Sven-Faye thing came to her attention.
If I were in marten's shoes I would most likely end the relationship here. In fact, I HAVE ended a relationship for similar circumstances. A relationship without trust is a relationship waiting to fall apart.Especially ... this is MARTEN. Does Marten flirt with other women? No, he does not. Does he ogle other women? No, he does not. Has he, in fact, given the slightest inkling since he started dating Dora that he was still pining for Faye? No, he has not. Has he done the slightest thing inappropriate with the number of young women he hangs around with? No, he has not. Is he the type to cheat? No, emphatically, he is not.
Why the hell do you keep writing in yellow?If I were in marten's shoes I would most likely end the relationship here. In fact, I HAVE ended a relationship for similar circumstances. A relationship without trust is a relationship waiting to fall apart.Especially ... this is MARTEN. Does Marten flirt with other women? No, he does not. Does he ogle other women? No, he does not. Has he, in fact, given the slightest inkling since he started dating Dora that he was still pining for Faye? No, he has not. Has he done the slightest thing inappropriate with the number of young women he hangs around with? No, he has not. Is he the type to cheat? No, emphatically, he is not.
Marten could, easily, be forgiven for saying "You'd never have any faith in my fidelity no matter who I was or what I did."
Why the hell do you keep writing in yellow?
[speculativethought] Dora's pregnant [/speculativethought]
Does it seem ominous to anyone else Marten has the 'Teh' shirt on? Are we coming full circle? And if so, to what?
Does it seem ominous to anyone else Marten has the 'Teh' shirt on? Are we coming full circle? And if so, to what?
Does it seem ominous to anyone else Marten has the 'Teh' shirt on? Are we coming full circle? And if so, to what?
That's a great way of looking at it. To me it's more like a warning of importantly relevant shit coming our way.
Another way of looking at it is a metaphor for their relationship. The TEH shirt takes you back to QC's roots, taking you "back to Mecca" as it were. The roots, the foundation of any relationship have to be solid, and if there's a lack of trust, you're screwed, and not in the nice way. Maybe that's a stretch but that's how i see it.
Or maybe the "TEH" shirt is just so definitively Marten, like Charlie Brown's black zigzag on yellow shirt, that it's there to show he hasn't changed -- and I don't mean that in a bad way. He's the eye of the storm. Maybe when the shirt changes it'll signify a change in him.
Or, maybe it's just the shirt that was clean on top of the pile. :wink: "Sometimes a banana is just a banana, Anna."
Marten gets angry? Hm. Might have to look into that. We can't have our milquetoast hero growing a spine this far in, can we?Curious how often people mistake anger for a backbone... I guess Marten's got those "Wandering The Streets In Girl's Pants With a Hello Kitty Belt-Buckle blues". Notoriously difficult to rhyme...
Wait, no, I know what'll happen.
Marten goes on his walk. Faye goes to talk to Dora. And, maybe involving Faye out-bitching Dora, explains what was going on. I think if anyone tells Dora to stop being an ass, it'll be Faye.
Then they hug and make up.
Which is when Marten walks in, pointing and yelling, "Oh, so it's fine when YOU do it?!"
Does it seem ominous to anyone else Marten has the 'Teh' shirt on? Are we coming full circle? And if so, to what?
Or he just happened to grab the TEH shirt to use as a pj shirt.Does it seem ominous to anyone else Marten has the 'Teh' shirt on? Are we coming full circle? And if so, to what?
That's a great way of looking at it. To me it's more like a warning of importantly relevant shit coming our way.
Another way of looking at it is a metaphor for their relationship. The TEH shirt takes you back to QC's roots, taking you "back to Mecca" as it were. The roots, the foundation of any relationship have to be solid, and if there's a lack of trust, you're screwed, and not in the nice way. Maybe that's a stretch but that's how i see it.
Personally, I'm expecting something (not sure what) but something to happen when he goes on his walk. I mean, maybe it's just a case of a walk being a walk, but why go through all of the effort of writing him having to wear Faye's clothes to go out on a walk for no real reason? Hmmmm...
Truth, there. And rhyme, hell. Blues chorus don't need no rhyme. On the other hand, try singing that shit.Marten gets angry? Hm. Might have to look into that. We can't have our milquetoast hero growing a spine this far in, can we?Curious how often people mistake anger for a backbone... I guess Marten's got those "Wandering The Streets In Girl's Pants With a Hello Kitty Belt-Buckle blues". Notoriously difficult to rhyme...
Does it seem ominous to anyone else Marten has the 'Teh' shirt on? Are we coming full circle? And if so, to what?
That's a thought I've been having myself. Symbolic, in a way... he's now using the TEH shirt as pajamas, and it seems like the TEH shirt is always ominously on for relationship drama (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=254) or the beginning of things...
Personally, I'm expecting something (not sure what) but something to happen when he goes on his walk. I mean, maybe it's just a case of a walk being a walk, but why go through all of the effort of writing him having to wear Faye's clothes to go out on a walk for no real reason? Hmmmm...Punchline.
OR Jeph just felt like drawing Marten wearing the TEH shirt because he hadn't worn it in a while.
I dunno about you all, but I generally wear the same shirt to bed that I was wearing during the day.
Does it seem ominous to anyone else Marten has the 'Teh' shirt on? Are we coming full circle? And if so, to what?
That's a thought I've been having myself. Symbolic, in a way... he's now using the TEH shirt as pajamas, and it seems like the TEH shirt is always ominously on for relationship (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=254) drama (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=500) or the beginning (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=570) of things... (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=728)
Edit: Found more links. :P
I dunno about you all, but I generally wear the same shirt to bed that I was wearing during the day.
Great, now I'm highly distracted by the mental image of Tergon sleeping naked.
Handcuffs. Leather whips. Lots of blood.Great, now I'm highly distracted by the mental image of Tergon sleeping naked.
Ooh, how are you imagining it? Like, a four-poster with silk sheets? That would be AWESOME.
Marten, on the other hand, gets action just by being Marten. Faye makes the first verbal move to Marten, Dora practically forces herself on him, Hanners was stalking him, Cosette tried to flirt with him ... damn, now I'm jealous.
Back to the point: Without Marten, Dora becomes a very distant secondary character, and starts walking the Raven-trail to the brink of the mouth of the Allosaurus.
Why the hell do you keep writing in yellow?Because one has the option to write in different colors and it's hard to read off-white on light brown.
it's natural for a girl to get a little paranoid sometimes when these 2 people who used to have feelings for each other are still friendsIt's common, sure, and Dora can't help her feelings.
Heh. When the comic features a sad silence and an ominous pause, the forum goes utterly nuts.
When Dora's a bitch and Marten responds by actually getting angry, so there actually is a fight to talk about, everyone calms down and goes back to being sensible.
I have a new theory: You're all perfectly sane, YOU JUST LIKE FUCKING WITH JEPH.
Tergon, I stand with you, but I still can't bring myself to touch the dick broom, sorry.Tergon's name reminds me of the word "turgid", so your comment "I stand with you" just seems really, really wrong to me. Nevermind the mention of the dick broom!
To give an alternate perspective: Faye is freaking out and knows she needs to talk to someone. Faye knocks on the door belonging to both Marten and Dora knowing one, the other, or both will help her. Marten awakens by the knock, sleepily opens it, and sees Faye in full panic mode. Faye asks him to talk to her, he immediately says yes, and goes out to talk (in the living room, not Faye's room).No way - she specifically went looking for Marten. He's her best friend after all, and vice versa.
OK, now I've had time to think about this more, I think we're reading this wrong. Dora isn't so much scared of what it looks like as what it is. "Emotional cheating," anyone? Dora wanted Marten to move in with her; but instead he convinced her to move in with him & his not-quite-gf Faye. He keeps strong emotional ties to Faye. Faye is in a sense like the older wife in his harem. What Dora sees now isn't silly sexy time, it's heavy emotional stuff, & that gets Dora in the heart.I hear what you're saying... and at first, I agreed. But then I disagreed, and had a whole argument ready. But now I think I agree with you again. The only thing that keeps me from calling it "cheating" is that he had this relationship with Faye before he and Dora started dating. It's not like he realized something was emotionally missing from his relationship with Dora and then he went to fill that void. Other than that piece of semantics, though, you do have a point. Marten has a problem on his hands - it's virtually impossible to keep both of these emotional relationships going at this level. At some point, his emotional connection with Faye MUST change if his emotional relationship with Dora is going to grow past a certain point, and it's got to be his emotional connection to Dora that gets him there.
Oh come on now. There's no such thing as Iowa.This is such a coincidence! I tell anyone who will listen that there's no such thing as North Dakota!! Weird.
Heh. When the comic features a sad silence and an ominous pause, the forum goes utterly nuts.
When Dora's a bitch and Marten responds by actually getting angry, so there actually is a fight to talk about, everyone calms down and goes back to being sensible.
I have a new theory: You're all perfectly sane, YOU JUST LIKE FUCKING WITH JEPH.
Note to self: Never invite Tergon to sleepovers.Great, now I'm highly distracted by the mental image of Tergon sleeping naked.
Ooh, how are you imagining it? Like, a four-poster with silk sheets? That would be AWESOME.
I dunno about you all, but I generally wear the same shirt to bed that I was wearing during the day.See, Tergon? She's not imagining you sleeping—she's imagining swiping your shirt while you're not using it. 'Cause Sapnish needs moar shirts.
Prediction: on his walk marten runs into vespa girl (or whatever her name was) who has recently escaped from prison!
The way I see it is, I got people to picture me lounging naked on a bed, so I win. And I get double-super bonus points if I'm spooning up against The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks in your mental image.
Also I have heard rumours of North Dakota, but I lack proof that it exists. Personally I think that all you Yanks lie... no sensible country could have more than fifty states. There's probably really only, like, three. Four on leap years.
If I pictured the Dick-Broom leaning uselessly against the wall next to the bed, what does that mean?
This could get worse.
Imagine attempted helpful intervention from Pintsize.
[speculativethought] Dora's pregnant [/speculativethought]Should this be true, you win the Internets.
Why the hell do you keep writing in yellow?Because one has the option to write in different colors and it's hard to read off-white on light brown.
Why the hell do you keep writing in yellow?Because one has the option to write in different colors and it's hard to read off-white on light brown.
Bullshit snarking to deflect.[/color
We've witnessed the birth of a brand new meme, right before your very eyes.
and finally asked, because it's incredibly garish and crying for attention (like your attempted witticism.)
It's an addiction. I've tried Shirtaholics Anonymous, but I just end up jumping people after the meetings and stealing their delicious, delicious t-shirts.I dunno about you all, but I generally wear the same shirt to bed that I was wearing during the day.See, Tergon? She's not imagining you sleeping—she's imagining swiping your shirt while you're not using it. 'Cause Sapnish needs moar shirts.
The way I see it is, I got people to picture me lounging naked on a bed, so I win. And I get double-super bonus points if I'm spooning up against The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks in your mental image.You totally were.
*ahem*
Wow, so Marten finally got into Faye's pants eh?
Great, now I'm highly distracted by the mental image of Tergon sleeping naked.
Ooh, how are you imagining it? Like, a four-poster with silk sheets? That would be AWESOME.
Did your mother tell you to wear clean underpants in case you were run over by a bus (and for no other reason)?
Why the hell do you keep writing in yellow?Because one has the option to write in different colors and it's hard to read off-white on light brown.
who is Dora really hurting if she pushes Marten and Faye away? If they really are rekindling their romance, won't that accelerate the process?
Did your mother tell you to wear clean underpants in case you were run over by a bus (and for no other reason)?
Wow, so Marten finally got into Faye's pants eh?
Did your mother tell you to wear clean underpants in case you were run over by a bus (and for no other reason)?yep...but thats a story for a different day. :-P
I just realized - a few strips ago, Faye turned down Angus' suggestion to "come in" (ahem).... on the grounds that she had to work in the morning. Ironic, that.
Why the hell do you keep writing in yellow?Because one has the option to write in different colors and it's hard to read off-white on light brown.
Off white on light brown? Huh? What skin for the forum are you using?
I"m wondering if there is more going on here than meets the eyeWell, to be fair, if you add to this late night grumpiness, and possible puzzlement of waking up without her boyfriend at her side, as amplifiers, this just about works. Which changes nothing to the fact that, to begin with, she's showing hints of having horrible issues, and being completely unreasonable. And by "unreasonable", in this context, I mean "impossible to reason with", or "impervious to reason" as opposed to merely being foolish.
Yes, Dora can be an insecure bitch at times, but it is fairly rare for her to be this unreasonable.
I have a new theory: You're all perfectly sane, YOU JUST LIKE FUCKING WITH JEPH.
This seems kind of out of character for Dora... hasn't she said something before to Martin about not having any problem with him checking out other girls, and even joked that he could bring one home for a 3-some?
I want to see that Hello Kitty belt buckle in every panel in the next strip. :laugh:
Maybe it's the purple hair. In fact . . . I've got it: Dora becomes more and more angry/irrational, isolating everyone she knows, and years later, she encounters a wormhole that sends her back in time to attack Marten, Faye, and herself in an alley! FutureDora = Vespavenger!
man I hate doing comics with no jokes in them but sometimes you just have to :\
<snip>
Now, old bitchy Faye would have reduced Dora into kibble by now with her bare fingernails. New, sensitive Faye seems more likely to curl up on her bed and feel like shit while blaming herself for what's happening. Either way, she's not going to be too eager to help Dora through the inevitable, coming realization that Dora Done Fucked Up. And of course Marten is out on the town in his fancy new pants, so he's not going to be much help either.
<snip>
There has to be something about this from a previous relationship that triggered something for her to react this way.Yes. In her relationship with her Sven. Akima covered that a while back, as did I.
I still think Old Bitchy Faye was a miserable bully and a coward when she faced real opposition. We shall see if she can move beyond that.<snip>
Now, old bitchy Faye would have reduced Dora into kibble by now with her bare fingernails. New, sensitive Faye seems more likely to curl up on her bed and feel like shit while blaming herself for what's happening. Either way, she's not going to be too eager to help Dora through the inevitable, coming realization that Dora Done Fucked Up. And of course Marten is out on the town in his fancy new pants, so he's not going to be much help either.
<snip>
Old Bitchy Faye is going to show up, I suspect. And this time, it's PERSONAL.
Re: today's comic: "Oh, snaaaaaap."Yep, I think she broke the latch.
Marten is out on the town in his fancy new pantsI'm a fan of this sentence.
Ok, honest question time:
Am I the only one, who noticing Faye was wearing no pants and Dora was already back in bed, who though that as Faye got closer and closer to Dora while crawling up the bed as I scrolled down, that they were going to break out in girl-on-girl angry sex?
Had that happened and Marten walked in on it, I can easily imagine that his head would explode.
After looking at the comic again, I noticed something.
Is it just me, or could Dora pass for a purple-haired Marten in panel 4b?
"Crazy purple head of yours" = Full of Win. :mrgreen:
DORA STATUS:
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3782/chexbox2.png)FUCKING TOLD
(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9615/chexbox.png)NOT TOLD
DORA STATUS:
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3782/chexbox2.png)FUCKING TOLD
(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9615/chexbox.png)NOT TOLD
FAYE WHITAKER, FUCK YEAH
This was triumphant. I have never loved Faye more.
Dora done got ripped a new orifice. And it was fitting that Faye did the ripping.
Okay, #1 you can change the board style in profile settings, #2 its damn annoying when you're the only one using it, not useful. I've seen it in the past and finally asked, because it's incredibly garish and crying for attention (like your attempted witticism.)Too damn bad. If it bothers you, no one forces you to look. Seeing as this is about the 27th post I've made in two years, anyone claiming "OMG SOMEONE'S WROTE ON TEH INTARWEBZ IN A DIFFERENT COLOR I KANT TAKE IT NO MORE" ... well, I worry about people like those being able to vote, have children, hold down jobs and have access to weapons, more than any other factor.
Or maybe he just likes that color. Sometimes the answer is the easiest one hmmmmm...?Heh, thanks. Sometimes there are actually answers in the world that don't require you to pick fights with strangers.
DORA STATUS:
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3782/chexbox2.png)FUCKING TOLD
(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9615/chexbox.png)NOT TOLD
FAYE WHITAKER, FUCK YEAH
This was triumphant. I have never loved Faye more.
This. ALL of this. I cannot add to it, I can only point at it and say, "THIS."
Ahem...Well, it's nice to know Jeph has a sense of humor about these things :)
http://jephjacques.tumblr.com/ (http://jephjacques.tumblr.com/)
... he can pretend he's Walt Disney and they can declare their vaguely anti-semitic love.
...Good show, Herr Jacques.
Jeez Tergon, you could at least TRY to mask your intentions! :laugh:
I shi i am an ignorant fucktard, please ban meed. But then I also love it when anything is '69'.
TONIGHT
Faye yells at Dora
Marten wears pants twice his size
And Pintsize records it all for YouTube
["Jessica" riffs]
Wait, according to the alarm clock, it's only a little after 1 AM...
I'm lucky to be getting to sleep that early, and I'm up at 5 to get my daughter medicated for school at 7...
These folks are too young to be so damn old as to be in bed this early!
TONIGHT
Faye yells at Dora
Marten wears pants twice his size
And Pintsize records it all for YouTube
["Jessica" riffs]
Marten wears pants twice his sizeFaye's pants would be too big round the bottom, but way too short in the leg. Marten must look... classic.
Then he can pretend he's Walt Disney and they can declare their vaguely anti-semitic love. ...wait, that one got away from me.Ah Walt... he filled my childhood with such happy memories... of other school-kids' reaction to sneaky, treacherous, broken-English-speaking, buck-toothed Yellow Peril stereotypes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpPGE_SKtA4).
Then he can pretend he's Walt Disney and they can declare their vaguely anti-semitic love. ...wait, that one got away from me.Ah Walt... he filled my childhood with such happy memories... of other school-kids' reaction to sneaky, treacherous, broken-English-speaking, buck-toothed Yellow Peril stereotypes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpPGE_SKtA4).
TONIGHT
Faye yells at Dora
Marten wears pants twice his size
And Pintsize records it all for YouTube
["Jessica" riffs]
I just pictured Winslow as The Stig and now I cannot stop grinning.
Point of order - is Dora scared or mad in that last panel?
Damn, that's one hell of a complex pout.Point of order - is Dora scared or mad in that last panel?
See, to me that looks like a pout. Like a "psh, whatever, I still have a right to be mad but I have an inkling you may be right but I won't acknowledge it to you" pout.
Damn, that's one hell of a complex pout.Point of order - is Dora scared or mad in that last panel?
See, to me that looks like a pout. Like a "psh, whatever, I still have a right to be mad but I have an inkling you may be right but I won't acknowledge it to you" pout.
Point of order - is Dora scared or mad in that last panel?Neither. She looks more in shock than anything. And a bit sad too.
I agree. I also wonder if her reaction will be to leave 'for Marten's own good' or somesuch.Point of order - is Dora scared or mad in that last panel?Neither. She looks more in shock than anything. And a bit sad too.
Point of order - is Dora scared or mad in that last panel?Neither. She looks more in shock than anything. And a bit sad too.
Point of order - is Dora scared or mad in that last panel?Neither. She looks more in shock than anything. And a bit sad too.
Does Marten keep his hoodie in a frame on his wall when he's not using it???
Ladies and Gentlemen, Faye has assumed the Captain Morgan position on the bed.
No. A little more extreme than usual, though. I'm surprised she said either instead of neither, though—that's a given with those I know who speak like Faye does when they hit their stride.
I agree. I also wonder if her reaction will be to leave 'for Marten's own good' or somesuch.Point of order - is Dora scared or mad in that last panel?Neither. She looks more in shock than anything. And a bit sad too.
Since a bunch of you have already said things I wanted to say, I felt I could point out-- this was possibly the slowest fight ever, if the time on the clock is any indication. Faye bursts into the room at 1:04, Panel 2 is 1:05 and Panel 3 is 1:06.
Yeah, I can see Dora lashing back next panel and then the catfight.
Marten walks in on the catfight.
Dora notices he's wearing Faye's pants.
Whether Dora begins laughing at how absurd Marten looks or gets even more angry depends on Jeph.
Oh god, I hope Dora doesn't do anything stupid to herself.I don't think she's the type. Except for dying her hair purple that is.
the lips -- it's one of the elements of the newer style Jeph's been using, distinguishing male/female by whether the mouths are drawn with defined lips or not.
To give an alternate perspective: Faye is freaking out and knows she needs to talk to someone. Faye knocks on the door belonging to both Marten and Dora knowing one, the other, or both will help her. Marten awakens by the knock, sleepily opens it, and sees Faye in full panic mode. Faye asks him to talk to her, he immediately says yes, and goes out to talk (in the living room, not Faye's room).No way - she specifically went looking for Marten. He's her best friend after all, and vice versa.
As to the comic... I'm wondering where Marten's walk is taking him. Even if there are no hilarious misadventures involving his fancy pants, or even if he doesn't meet up with anyone of note on his walk, it'd be interesting to see where his head's at right now. It's intriguing to see him actually get angry!
Is this the first time Faye's spoken with an accent while sober?
Since a bunch of you have already said things I wanted to say, I felt I could point out-- this was possibly the slowest fight ever, if the time on the clock is any indication. Faye bursts into the room at 1:04, Panel 2 is 1:05 and Panel 3 is 1:06.
I just noticed that too...
Is this the first time Faye's spoken with an accent while sober?It's not just when she's drunk, it's also when she's tired.
Since a bunch of you have already said things I wanted to say, I felt I could point out-- this was possibly the slowest fight ever, if the time on the clock is any indication. Faye bursts into the room at 1:04, Panel 2 is 1:05 and Panel 3 is 1:06.
I just noticed that too...
I think that's the point.... this wasn't a fight - this was Faye bursting in and telling Dora off. She wasn't there to listen, she wasn't there to discuss. She blew up, said what needed to be said, and was out.
Also was I the only one who found half-naked angry Faye incredibly hot?
Dora's expression in 4B is exactly the same as Marten's from 5 strips ago ... (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1739)
Bug or Feature?
Hey! Someone stole my avatar!
Dora's expression in 4B is exactly the same as Marten's from 5 strips ago ... (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1739)
Bug or Feature?
FTFY, and you're kinda correct... Dora's got a more downward frown than Marty's straight-line.
No. A little more extreme than usual, though. I'm surprised she said either instead of neither, though—that's a given with those I know who speak like Faye does when they hit their stride.
It's possible that Jeph wanted her accent to show but preferred to stop short of making her sound like a bumpkin. Nothing against bumpkins, of course.
No, she doesn't want to go see Dr. Corrine. That was established long ago. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1357)
[...]
At least he's obviously not gone to the stalker-stage though, as he apparently doesn't know about Angus.
D: No Hello Kitty belt? Jeph, I am disappoint.
I *dare* Marten to find someone who can give worse advice on how to deal with an angry lady. I would go to Yelling Bird before I went to Sven. I would go to the Shame Orb before I went to Sven. Shelby's sole reaction to women is to punch them over the horizon, and I would take SHELBY'S advice over that of Sven.
I think that, as self-absorbed as he his, he would know at least a little bit to give Marten some food for thought.
Meanwhile...not certain I'm believing this Sven longing for Faye. He's never particularly seemed the sort to completely fall apart over a girl...but now that I think about it, if Faye's really the only one who ever dumped him, when he wasn't "done with her"/"ready to move on"/whatever it is he does, I suppose he would obsess over her. At least he's obviously not gone to the stalker-stage though, as he apparently doesn't know about Angus.
[...]At least he's obviously not gone to the stalker-stage though, as he apparently doesn't know about Angus.I agree that he doesn't know the latest developments but he is aware of Angus (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1390).
I think that, as self-absorbed as he his, he would know at least a little bit to give Marten some food for thought.Sven might have some insights, depending on whether he was paying attention, then and now. If Marten's lucky, Sven will have more to say than "Yup, Dora's crazy, always has been -- now let's talk more about boobs." Speculation may begin on whether someone else overhears Sven saying something "pithy" about Marten finally getting in Faye's pants and misinterprets (Angus directly? or Marigold?).
Meanwhile...not certain I'm believing this Sven longing for Faye. He's never particularly seemed the sort to completely fall apart over a girl...but now that I think about it, if Faye's really the only one who ever dumped him, when he wasn't "done with her"/"ready to move on"/whatever it is he does, I suppose he would obsess over her. At least he's obviously not gone to the stalker-stage though, as he apparently doesn't know about Angus.In this instance, I read that as less longing for Faye and much more longing for Faye's boobs. That being said, Jeph has really been putting out some great strips in the last month or so, but the end of this one really left me laughing...and I still giggle whenever I think about it. I view it as "classic QC." Serious, serious, serious, BOOB JOKE!
What I'm afraid of is Marten's reaction ending up something like (http://www.punchanpie.net/daily/20071017.html) Heather's (http://www.punchanpie.net/daily/20071019.html).I think Jeph would go crazy if he did that.
What I'm afraid of is Marten's reaction ending up something like (http://www.punchanpie.net/daily/20071017.html) Heather's (http://www.punchanpie.net/daily/20071019.html).
No way, I was right. Either Marten or Dora would have been fine. :-P :laugh:
Dora's expression in 4B is exactly the same as Marten's from 5 strips ago ... (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1739)
Bug or Feature?
FTFY, and you're kinda correct... Dora's got a more downward frown than Marty's straight-line.
No. Marten's expression is forlorn, with a bit of confusion.
Dora's is scared, with a fair amount of shock. Someone misread anger into it, but that's jst the spikey bangs. if you look closely, you'll see the eyebrows - they curve up into a fairly high arc, very similar to the previous panel.
Different emotions entirely! Jeph, you're really shining here, both in story and art.
[/fanboy]
Well, the answer to Martin's questions about why Dora's so crazy and insecure might just be sitting next to him right now. I mean, how much would you trust romantic relationship if you grew up witnessing behavior like Sven's? She's obviously had to deal with the fall-out from Sven messing around with her friends and it probably did send a message to her early on that Sven's behavior is what is typical of guys and makes her automatically suspicious. Then, if she's been cheated on in any of her past relationships that can only make that message and defensiveness run even deeper.
All that would make her a difficult woman to be in a relationship with. Those issues would be almost as bad as Faye's-which is ironic since Faye seems to be finally getting over her issues, along with getting with someone else. Marten just missed the bus all around. Still, there is hope that this whole blowup will motivate Dora to finally confront and deal with her issues (even if not with Dr. Corrine) and become a better girlfriend, AND friend.
Of all the creeps, in all the streets, in all the town, Marten runs across this one. The Makeout Hobo could give better advice.
[snip]Now there's a nice couple's picture. Easy to see those two are just made for each other—or not really sure how the hell they got where they are, one of the two.
I agree. Side by side its easy to see the difference.
(http://www.inselpix.com/images/semi1o1/doramartenfrown.png)
The cheekbone may be adding to the similarities too.
All that would make her a difficult woman to be in a relationship with.
Meanwhile, back at the apartment, Dora calls Marten's phone, trying desperately to apologise. But across the room, from his pants pocket, she hears it ring.
Slowly the realisation sinks in that he has no pants. And is somehow not in the apartment.
Through the fear and guilt and shock she feels at everything that's happened, the nagging questions begin to form in her mind. Questions that have no good answers.
Also, Sven, you have gotta get over Faye already. She may have epic titties, but there are more pressing matters right now, like your sister's crazy.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
When we experience the epicness - something... changes... in our brains, in similar ways to one addicted to alcohol or opiates. We are never the same, and those moments are seared into our minds forever.
Life goes on, of course - we have new loves, build lives and families together with our partners - but as much as we truly love our girlfriends or wives... we never forget.
If the QC forum learns anything about the male gender this day, let it be this:
Men NEVER get over epic titties. We just... learn to live without.
Meanwhile...not certain I'm believing this Sven longing for Faye. He's never particularly seemed the sort to completely fall apart over a girl...IMHO he's lusting after her, not longing for her or falling apart for her.
I don't think Sven's obsessing over Faye...he thinks she's hot and has great boobs.i think because in every situation where Sven was caught with one of Dora's friends thats how he approached the situation "But Dora, Megan has epic titties!" Not realizing that Marten is in a completley different situation.
Why is it that when any drama surfaces, the people here always seem to blame Sven for it.I don't know what you are speaking about. On the matter at hand, we've had hints that he may have played a role.
Why is it that when any drama surfaces, the people here always seem to blame Sven for it.
Men NEVER get over epic titties. We just... learn to live without.
Who the hell is Anders? Would you please give us a link to somewhere we could learn more about him?Why is it that when any drama surfaces, the people here always seem to blame Sven for it.
Well, seeing that he even managed to upset Anders (http://reneengstrom.com/comicfolder/2009-02-06.jpg)!
In this instance, I read that as less longing for Faye and much more longing for Faye's boobs.
Awesome Monty Python reference in the title today! :-D
Why is it that when any drama surfaces, the people here always seem to blame Sven for it.I don't know what you are speaking about. On the matter at hand, we've had hints that he may have played a role.
Oh, and Tergon, one of your Useless Brooms Made Entirely of Dicks must have washed out to sea, but some fishermen found it for you:
http://io9.com/5629024/look-+-its-a-baby-mi+go-caught-by-divers-off-the-coast-of-japan (http://io9.com/5629024/look-+-its-a-baby-mi+go-caught-by-divers-off-the-coast-of-japan)
In this instance, I read that as less longing for Faye and much more longing for Faye's boobs.
Sven did play a role in Dora's developing trust issues, but he is not to blame for the choices she's made. Dora is an adult and has been in who knows how many relationships at this point -- maybe we'll be hearing about some of them in this arc. Whatever may be influencing her, the choices she makes are her own and no one else gets to take credit or blame for them. Hopefully the talking-to by Faye will help her re-examine some of those choices.
Sven did play a role in Dora's developing trust issues, but he is not to blame for the choices she's made. Dora is an adult and has been in who knows how many relationships at this point -- maybe we'll be hearing about some of them in this arc. Whatever may be influencing her, the choices she makes are her own and no one else gets to take credit or blame for them. Hopefully the talking-to by Faye will help her re-examine some of those choices.
OK, I have to call you on this. No matter how old we get, and no matter how rational we like to think we are, each of us is, to some extent, the product of our upbringing. The older I get, the more I realize that a lot of my first reactions to things aren't even mine - they were my parent's, my brother's, my early friend's... and I adopted them. That's not to say I don't make my own decisions, and think further than my first reactions; but it does mean that I need to recognize where those first reactions are coming from before I can deal with them rationally.
But they're still there. And when I was younger, I didn't even realize where they were coming from. And Dora may be an adult, but a younger one. Faye's pointed out that her reaction was really effed up, but we don't know (yet) where it came from, and the only clue we really have is a shord tirade about Sven.
That may be a large part of it, after all. It probably runs a lot deeper, though. We'll see, I hope. And then we'll see how everyone involved deals with it.
And then we'll see how Pintsize mocks it.
When we experience the epicness - something... changes... in our brains,... We are never the same, and those moments are seared into our minds forever.
If the QC forum learns anything about the male gender this day, let it be this:
Men NEVER get over epic titties. We just... learn to live without.
Of all the creeps, in all the streets, in all the town, Marten runs across this one. The Makeout Hobo could give better advice.
Oh, and Tergon, one of your Useless Brooms Made Entirely of Dicks must have washed out to sea, but some fishermen found it for you:
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I give it three days before someone draws the porn, then five days until it ends up on the Pintsize Twitter account.
Sven strikes me as a "Ferris Bueller" type.Wrong analogy. If I remember the movie right, Ferris comes to a loose undestanding with his sister, and she ultimately saves his ass. I've always found the dynamics at play between Ferris and his sister the most interesting part of the movie, anyway. The rest of the movie, and Ferris as a character, are quite "meh", IMHO.
Yes, over the course of the movie. But she's initially quite jealous of him and his easy success, saying so to a random guy (Charlie Sheen) she meets at the police station, who helps her get over it. Even at the end, she's ready to let Ferris twist in the wind until she realizes who he's facing - Rooney, who she hates even more.Sven strikes me as a "Ferris Bueller" type.Wrong analogy. If I remember the movie right, Ferris comes to a loose undestanding with his sister, and she ultimately saves his ass. I've always found the dynamics at play between Ferris and his sister the most interesting part of the movie, anyway. The rest of the movie, and Ferris as a character, are quite "meh", IMHO.
Self-serving claptrap would probably be better than memory-drooling about Faye's breasts. It may be, of course, that Sven's 'got nuthin' and is trying to be funny, but it's an awful creepy way to go about it, given that Marten, except for one accident, never saw Faye's breasts in the entire time he was mooning after her AND that him wanting to (among other things, in Dora's mind) is the issue at hand.Of all the creeps, in all the streets, in all the town, Marten runs across this one. The Makeout Hobo could give better advice.
Oh, come on, .... The Makeout Hobo is the total Creepasaur, his "Advice" self-serving claptrap.
Au contraire, this was another Golden QC Moment! "Serious [Drama] Serious [Character Development] Serious - Boob Joke!"
(Each panel driving up the Serious Itching to see who Marten is spilling his guts to!) Tension release by Sven and Jeph, I'm guessing, with (hopefully) more serious Sven-sharing soon.
Like others, I'm hoping this arc brings us Dora & Sven backstory, maybe like The Talk (though that'd be hard, & unnecessary, to beat.) I've rather liked Dora over these past few years, and feel she's acting out & getting a bad rap right now. Lots of times, she's been the wiser, more mature core character. I 'spect some selected looks back at her & her bro's past might well redeem her, and (by sometime in 2011, RT) she and Marten could be on a more solid foundation.
Bottom line is, I honestly think there's more to the Sven-Dora dynamic than she wants to admit - and more than Sven probably realizes.Of course there is, and that last clause is a double mouthful of truth. Bottom line, to me, is this: Sven was never taught how to get along with others. He has a lot of charm, and is rather affable, but the idea that he should at least consider other people's feelings has never really been taught to Sven; hence him being more worried about Dora 'killing him' than that, for her, he'd repeated history. Going to his sister and telling her like an adult what was happening might've done loads to stop Dora's meltdown, but instead Sven chose to hide.
Oh man, never refer to a girls tits as "saggy". Worst insult (to physical appearance at least) ever. Even if he meant it as a compliment. Although don't see how that could be taken as complimentary.
Yeah, I sincerely doubt that where Sven's at counts as "obsessing". He strikes me more as the kind of guy who covers the heavy topics with a joke as a defense thing.Uh.
The fact that he felt genuinely shitty about how things turned out with Faye isn't something he's used to; so, when confronted with the mental image of Faye not wearing very much, he knee-jerks into Flippant Jerk mode and tosses off a joke completely irrelevant to the serious things Marten is saying to him.Except he's serious.
That stops him from thinking about a subject that's probably still a reasonably open wound for him.Yeah, obviously he's quite immature about serious relationships, but thats a different issue altogether.
I imagine that once Marten gets genuinely annoyed, Sven will back down and take the conversation, and Marten's dillemma, seriously.Thats not what I expect. I expect Sven being unable to help Marten.
Either way, Jeph's too much of a storyteller to have a random meeting with Sven be completely spent on one joke.Again, Sven ISNT JOKING. He's serious.
when confronted with the mental image of Faye not wearing very much, he knee-jerks into Flippant Jerk mode and tosses off a joke completely irrelevant to the serious things Marten is saying to him. That stops him from thinking about a subject that's probably still a reasonably open wound for him.I don't think it was a joke at all - he just stopped listening. He heard "Faye" and "underwear," then basically just tuned out(having dropped into a patented Bianchi fugue-state (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1360)) and waited for Marten to stop talking so he could ask his question. No defense mechanism here, just 100% animal instinct.
I've had two serious relationships in my time. The first, we'll call her Jane, cheated on me. It was the first time I'd experienced that kind of betrayal, and it changed me. I used to be completely trusting. If she wanted a "girls' night out," I had no problem with it. But that changed. That ability to trust was forever damaged.I wouldn't say that Dora has a leg to stand on at all. I've been cheated on twice, but those were just two individual circumstances. I've also had an amazing relationship where she and I had 100% complete trust in one another. Women can't be judged by the actions of others of their gender, just as men can't.
Thus, when I started seeing the second woman, we'll call her Doris, I couldn't help feeling an intense paranoid dread whenever she was away from me. I knew it was irrational. Doris wasn't Jane, there was no logical reason to expect Doris to betray me as Jane had done. The heart, however, is an irrational organ. No matter how much I knew I was being paranoid and jealous, I still felt the pain and desperation. The difference was that I choked it down and kept it to myself. That's what Dora has to learn to do.
Of course, Doris did eventually cheat on me too, going home with her ex after a "girls' night out," so maybe Dora has a leg to stand on...
I think Marten is one of the few people around understanding enough (not a wimp, and I don't think those who keep calling him that know how truly silly they are. Marten is a man, a better one than Steve, and Sven doesn't even come close, although Angus does)
...I'll pay that. Very good point.I will tentatively buy Sven is not serious, but it's still about the creepiest response he could come up with at the moment. There are times for such, but, even if I buy your theory, this isn't one of them, and so far as I know, Sven isn't good enough friends with Marten (unlike, say, Steve) to make it even halfway amusing. Then again, I'm not sure Sven really knows any better. Wil seems to be one of his closest friends, and Wil's not really a person one can learn, for lack of a better word, 'manlaw' from interacting with him. Poetlaw, maybe. (Is there such a thing?)
I still stand by my belief that Sven is not serious, though. And I have no doubt he will Serious Up in the next comic(s).
Poetlaw, maybe. (Is there such a thing?)You definitely don't want to know.
Damn, it's a holiday weekend.Labor Day? So put your white shoes away until next year, m'kay?
But really, I tend to think most of the forum is projecting.
Quote from raoullefere: "...social cripple." :? Sven? Huh... I hadn't thought of him that way; he swims easily & fluently in the social streams, apparently gets along well with most people, and usually gets what he wants out of social interactions. Compared to him, I'm a social cripple, but I see your point.
Yeah, it's an interesting use of the term, but I think the inability to form strong, lasting relationships (family doesn't count) really leaves Sven crippled in one form or another.
In simpler terms, if, for example, you're a guy who's been cheated on more than once by women you've been in relationships with, it will probably take real mental effort (and maybe therapy) to avoid looking at future dates as possible cheaters. It gets worse if the guy starts doubting his ability to find and/or choose women who won't cheat. Such a guy may just choose to forgo relationships altogether. Sad, but probably better than subjecting future dates to unfounded paranoia and jealously.
I've been cheated on twice, but those were just two individual circumstances. I've also had an amazing relationship where she and I had 100% complete trust in one another.
Oh man, never refer to a girls tits as "saggy". Worst insult (to physical appearance at least) ever. Even if he meant it as a compliment. Although don't see how that could be taken as complimentary.
I think your right, but as a natural C/D cup, I know what it is to have boobs quite the opposite of perky. But, there aren't really any better words. Going to a thesaurus gets droopy, floppy, and flabby. I do rather like pendulous.
I still maintain my point, though. A family relationship, no matter how bad, will still be there, even after being cut off.Hmmmm. I'm not entirely sure how you mean that. Obviously anyone who was involved in your upbringing will have had a major effect in your personality and any "issues" you have, but that doesn't mean there is still an active relationship there (which may not be what you mean, but is how I read the first sentence.)
Even after the other party has passsed away.
It continues to color your life, your decisions, your reactions. Even to the point that acknowledgement, getting help (non necessarily professional) and, eventually the ability to cope and continue your life can come from it.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I actually hope there isn't much more to Dora's back story. Of the major characters whose histories we know:
- Hannelore grew up on a space station with her inventor dad after his divorce from her evil corporate overlord mom,
- Marten has a famous fetish model for a mom and a gay nightclub owner for a dad, and
- Faye's dad killed himself in front of her.
I like that Dora doesn't have anything bizarre or overly dramatic in her past. Also, even if it's something as vanilla* as having been cheated on in a previous relationship, that begs the question of why it never came up before. It's not like this is the first time her jealousy has reared it's ugly head. IMHO, it would just feel like too much if this leads to a reprise of The Talk.
*Been cheated on as well, not saying it's fun, just common.
3. Martin cuts his hair. She freaks. Dora dyes her hair PURPLE without giving any notice. Martin is okay with this. Double standard.
2. Women maintain two standards for hair changes, one for her significant other and one for herself.