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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Houdinimachine on 15 Mar 2006, 10:05
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Are Sick of it All supposed to be good? Because I saw them live opening for the Dropkick Murphy's and I wanted to go take a nap outside I was so bored. I mean, I don't like metal at all to begin with so I'm not sure if it was my personal bias or what but it just sounded like complete noise with no notes and lots of angsty teen screaming from a 40 year old man.
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I've enver heard of them. Although with a name like Sick of it All they're probably shit.
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Aren't sick of it all a polipunk band?
If they are, they're about as political as Korn.
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Yeah, Sick Of It All is a hardcore (punk) band, nothing metal there. Unless they've jumped the metalcore bandwagon in recent years.
I think some of their stuff is ok, but it gets boring quite fast.
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As AFI's singer Davey Havok once put it, Sick of It All remain one of the truest hardcore bands of all time. That is, they have resolutely resisted learning a single new chord since the 80's.
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I'm with Khar. I saw them open for Meshuggah once. Entertaining showmen, but their music was utterly boring to me. "Hardcore" is what I would call them. Not metal.
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consesus: hardcore, not metal.
opinion: agreed
i havent listened to them since i was like freshman in highschool...but i remember liking a few of their songs. i seem to remember them doing a good cover of All Hell Breaks Loose by The Misfits. but beyond that, i dunno
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So what exactly defines something as metal?
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The more churches you and your band burn, the more necro and krieg and metal you are.
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Metal generally is defined as such:
Emphasis on instrumental prowess over vocals (depends on the subgenre, brutal death is an exception to this sometimes)
Fast, rarely harmonic riffing (except for power metal, which harmonizes like, ALL the time)
Highly distorted guitar (again, power metal's usually the exception)
Obviously, violent, occult/pagan, and/or defiant lyrics
Fast precussion (especially in death and thrash)
And a general lack of the 'hook' or single melody associated with more commercial forms of music.
I'm not sure if this really does much to distinguish it from hardcore, but I have a difficult time putting it into words.
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*yawn*
that's all I can say about them, really.
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Emphasis on instrumental prowess over vocals (depends on the subgenre, brutal death is an exception to this sometimes) Gothic and symphonic metal often puts vocal prowess at the same level as instrumental. Black metal also does this, but in a completely opposite direction, with brutal, cold and simple playing undercutting powerful emotional screams. I wouldn't say brutal death EVER does this. I'd say more 'never puts an emphasis on vocals over instruments' and 'makes use of dramatic or melodramatic vocal styles'. Even then there's exceptions.
Fast, rarely harmonic riffing (except for power metal, which harmonizes like, ALL the time) Speed is not essential in metal. At all. Funeral doom anyone?
Highly distorted guitar (again, power metal's usually the exception) And classic metal. and some prog metal. and some folk metal.
Obviously, violent, occult/pagan, and/or defiant lyrics You can get christian metal that even I would be hard pressed to define technically as anything other than metal, but yeah, if you wanna be troo. A different but slightly flawed perspective I once saw on it was the idea that metal lyrics across genres are united by being dissatisfied with the state of the modern world and either conjuring up images of different worlds, urging progress, regression, or destruction of this world, or urging the individual to leave the modern world, either to space, drug induced bliss, the afterlife, the forests or w/e. Again though, there are probably exceptions, as I believe that whole theory was simply an argument against Green Carnation being a metal band.
Fast precussion (especially in death and thrash) again not always necessary. I'm not even sure percussion itself is necessary at all, if you're pushing some extremely brutal brand of sludge.
And a general lack of the 'hook' or single melody associated with more commercial forms of music. Ironically, actually, because of its ridiculous simplicity a lot of black metal can be hooky, imo.
I'm not sure if this really does much to distinguish it from hardcore, but I have a difficult time putting it into words.
Yeah, it's a hard thing to quantify. Basically, it all boils down to: If you're troo, you'll fucking KNOW.
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I've stopped trying to explain metal to people who aren't in the know.
instead, I put on Bathory's "Woman of Dark Desires" and say, "this is metal."
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That, no-one could argue with.
Although I personally would go with 'The Return of Darkness and Evil'. Mainly as that's, basically, my favourite song title, well, ever.
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Sick of it all are good if you only buy one album. I find hardcore can get a bit generic at times. They really were one of the original, ground breaking hardcore bands but they never really modified that sound.
Also, as has been said, if you're tr00 then you'll know metal when you hear it. The best metal has the words blood, krieg and weiner in the title of the songs.
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I umm... am not troo or tr00 or whatever that is apparently. :(
Before this, I always quantified loud, grating music with even louder screams as metal.
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Yeah, it's a hard thing to quantify. Basically, it all boils down to: If you're troo, you'll fucking KNOW.
Like the supreme court said about pornography, "I know it when I see it."
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I umm... am not troo or tr00 or whatever that is apparently. :(
And you never will be with that sort of attitude. You should be out sacrificing animals and burning churches. To a lesser extent you should also stand on a mountain in a blizzard and declare it to be "krieg" and "necro".
Then maybe grow your hair out, oil yourself up and slay a dragon.
Then learn the guitar and shred like crazy.
That's how I got to be metal anyway.
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I umm... am not troo or tr00 or whatever that is apparently. :(
And you never will be with that sort of attitude. You should be out sacrificing animals and burning churches. To a lesser extent you should also stand on a mountain in a blizzard and declare it to be "krieg" and "necro".
Then maybe grow your hair out, oil yourself up and slay a dragon.
Then learn the guitar and shred like crazy.
That's how I got to be metal anyway.
*has new respect for Rizzo*
Speaking of which, John Ashcroft (previous US Attorney General) is said to have anointed himself with Crisco oil when he was given the job. Does that make him tr00 metal? Sure, he didn't manage to slay a dragon, but he did manage to make friends with G. Dub.
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I don't play guitar... but I do play piano! If I play it really loud and wear hair extensions and sweat a lot... in Colorado does it count?
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Khar, I was doing my best to make a GENERAL statement. I realize that the things I said are by no means applicable to all bands or even all subgenres, but I was trying to help out as best I could.
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I don't play guitar... but I do play piano! If I play it really loud and wear hair extensions and sweat a lot... in Colorado does it count?
Only if you are "troo" and "necro".
Rizzo's guide to being Grim and Necro:
Not Necro nor grim;
Jeans
puppies, kittens, anything small and cute
girlfriends (unless you rape and murder them)
declaring things to be cool or fun instead of krieg
enjoying non blackmetal
Grim and necro;
corpse paint
smoking
posing in forests
murder
bashing gays, jews, blacks and pretty much everyone else
axes, swords,
nordic gods
Embrace at least 3 of these and you could be grim and necro. I suggest the less offensive ones such as nordic gods, posing in a forest and wearing corpse paint.
Hails.
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Shit, you could kill a few birds with one stone and wear corpse paint while smoking and posing in a forest with axes and swords, proclaiming it in the name of the nordic gods. And then go watch an Immortal video or something.
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Shit, you could kill a few birds with one stone and wear corpse paint while smoking and posing in a forest with axes and swords, proclaiming it in the name of the nordic gods. And then go watch an Immortal video or something.
Thinking about it, I have actually done this.
:-[
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What does getting drunk, headbutting a priest, wandering into a forest and beating up animals make me? I was wearing jeans at the time.
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Krieg, but not necro.
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I have a picture of me posing with a pool cue in a forest themed bar. Does that count? I was posing like one of those angry American frontiersmen you see in paintings.
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It counts toward your krieg rating but unfortunately it's neither grim nor necro.
QC IST KRIEG!
Ahem.
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for the tr00ly grim and necro don't forget drinking the blood of slaughtered virgins and getting butt raped (and butt raping) by a Viking while bashing gays (remember hypocrisy is grim).
And I can't believe you forgot the fifth defining feature of metal.
kvlt.
You need to be krieg, grim, necro, tr00 and kvlt. Once you attain all of those you become a metal god.
Chris
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The thing about metal (especially in "tr00" circles) is that your music can't qualify as metal by being metal-ish or metal-esque in any respect. It has to more or less be metal, fitting snugly within an already established and accepted genre. To know the difference between what is metal and what is not metal, all one has to do is listen to enough of it to be at least vaguely familiar with each style.
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I think if in doubt you should just sit down and listen to The 13th Unicorn.
http://www.mp3.com.au/album.asp?id=12822
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The thing about metal (especially in "tr00" circles) is that your music can't qualify as metal by being metal-ish or metal-esque in any respect. It has to more or less be metal, fitting snugly within an already established and accepted genre. To know the difference between what is metal and what is not metal, all one has to do is listen to enough of it to be at least vaguely familiar with each style.
And styles are coming out of the woodwork with every goddamned new band, it seems.
I mean ... what the fuck is MATHcore ... I get images with it sure. But what does that MEAN?
What are the differences between speed/trash/grind/black/white/death/gothic/stoner/glam/true ... metal?
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Mathcore is shit, basically. Pretentious guys who liked to play their instruments in obscure time signatures and make their music as unlistenable as possible.
What the hell is White metal, by the way?
EDIT: And to further answer the question above, you will know the differences between all the genres if you are metal.
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So what exactly defines something as metal?
Hardcore is when punk and metal meet, so presumably SOIA are too punky to be metal.
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Mathcore is shit, basically. Pretentious guys who liked to play their instruments in obscure time signatures and make their music as unlistenable as possible.
What the hell is White metal, by the way?
Actually ... I sort of know that one ... the exact opposite, lyrically to black metal. Get it? "I brandish this unwieldy, far too large, fake battleaxe in my pimply hands for JESUS".
Or some such shyte.
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Mathcore is shit, basically. Pretentious guys who liked to play their instruments in obscure time signatures and make their music as unlistenable as possible.
What the hell is White metal, by the way?
Actually ... I sort of know that one ... the exact opposite, lyrically to black metal. Get it? "I brandish this unwieldy, far too large, fake battleaxe in my pimply hands for JESUS".
Or some such shyte.
Or maybe it's some aryan supremacy thing.
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Black metal already has a ton of neo-nazi skinheads (which is ironic, considering the name of the genre). I don't understand why they would make a second genre for it.
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Er, they did anyway. It's called NSBM. (National Socialist Black Metal). It suffers from the same general problems as all music made for narrow groups of religious or political adherents, in that most of the people involved in it can sell records to other nazis simply by being nazis, rather than through any sort of musical skill, something that is also rather noticeable in Christian metal. There are very few good nazi bands, and very few good christian bands. I listen to a few of each though, despite the fact that both are anathemic to me.
My view of music you don't agree with is that I simply listen to it but don't buy the records. I don't think I could ever listen to RAC though...NSBM, thematically, is actually quite close to normal black metal (which is, lets face it, dangerously national romance) with an extra-emphasis in some songs on jew-bashing which I find distasteful (that being the reason I delete them, ie Nokturnal Mortum - Call of the Aryan Spirit). RAC, on the other hand, is just shouting about how much you hate everyone and what a sensible chap Hitler was.
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The whole point of black metal is that humanity suck and we should all die. A "true" black metaller hates everyone equely. It dos'nt matter if your jewish, nazi, american or sweedish - black metal thinks that you suck and should die. So, if wanting to kill everyone and to return to the basics - the woods is "evil", then black metaller will accept the evil persona and stick with it, because they dont give 2 shits about what people think.
If pink bunnies were considerd evil, then you'll probably find a black metal band that screams "pink bunnies of true evil!" while wondering in the woods in full corpse paint and leather.
Thats also why pagan and nature worshiping is found throghout black metal.
A lot of black metallers actually laugh at NSBM, saying that racism is stupid and its just another reason why humanity sucks.
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That's my perspective on it. I'm not tr00 though. I am a pagan though, but a more namby pamby sort than required for tr00ness (Tr00 BM pagans have to be Asatru).
As Blackthrone so rightly say in 'official black metal'
"Bomb USA because they are stupid and fat!
Bomb Russia because they are poor!
Bomb Sweden because they are gay!
Bomb Norway because they are rich!"
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So basically you're saying that Black Metal dudes are whiny crybabies who have a problem with the world but don't want to put any effort into finding a solution for said problem so they just say "everything sucks, kill everyone!" ?
Kind of like angry goths?
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Yeah but with worse fashion sense, more makeup and too little moolah to buy decent mixers.
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So basically you're saying that Black Metal dudes are whiny crybabies who have a problem with the world but don't want to put any effort into finding a solution for said problem so they just say "everything sucks, kill everyone!" ?
Kind of like angry goths?
Naw dude. I'd say killing people is a solution to hating them. In fact, that's kind of the extreme solution. I hardly constitute any black metal as whiney, considering lyrical content/song titles are rarely even english, let alone functional sentences. Don't hate, blastbeat!
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but don't want to put any effort into finding a solution for said problem
Well, apart from campaigns of arson, terrorism and murder.
Your estimation is kinda incorrect anyway. For a start, most black metallers DO have a solution to the worlds problems (Normally to break the power of all judeo-christian religions). For a second, if you are a true misanthrope, you don't necessarily have any interest in improving the state of the world, which is, in your eyes, fundamentally fucked. This is why real black metallers spend most of their time in pursuits such as music, art, drinking, taking drugs, and running around in the woods covered in corpse-paint. Black metal is probably the only music genre to reach such heights of misanthropy that bands will vet who can buy their albums, or in extreme cases actually try and conceal the very fact they exist at all from the outside world, only giving tapes to those they can trust as being 'tr00' (though the cynical would say this is a marketing ploy, similiar to pressing only 666 copies of your debut album then instantly bootlegging it yourself. If it is, it certainly worked for Les Legiones Noires). For a third, remember the really important distinction between the three general sorts of black metallers:
1) true fucking black metallers. True fucking black metallers are 30 or maybe even 40 somethings who live mainly in Norway. They've been around probably since the beginning of the whole scene, and have been immersed in the whole thing so long they don't even have to try to be grim and krieg. It just comes naturally to them.
2) tr00 fucking black metallers. The fucking means a different things. These are teenagers who mainly live in the United States and desperately want to be 1. They have to try too fucking hard though. Any criticism of black metallers will almost certainly refer to this group, unless you're a huge fan of Norwegian stave churches.
3) people who like black metal. Don't really see what the fuss is about.
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I want some corpse paint.
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I want some corpse paint.
And if you were truly black metal you would have said: I want some corpses.
If I understand correctly.
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but don't want to put any effort into finding a solution for said problem
Well, apart from campaigns of arson, terrorism and murder.
Your estimation is kinda incorrect anyway. For a start, most black metallers DO have a solution to the worlds problems (Normally to break the power of all judeo-christian religions). For a second, if you are a true misanthrope, you don't necessarily have any interest in improving the state of the world, which is, in your eyes, fundamentally fucked. This is why real black metallers spend most of their time in pursuits such as music, art, drinking, taking drugs, and running around in the woods covered in corpse-paint. Black metal is probably the only music genre to reach such heights of misanthropy that bands will vet who can buy their albums, or in extreme cases actually try and conceal the very fact they exist at all from the outside world, only giving tapes to those they can trust as being 'tr00' (though the cynical would say this is a marketing ploy, similiar to pressing only 666 copies of your debut album then instantly bootlegging it yourself. If it is, it certainly worked for Les Legiones Noires). For a third, remember the really important distinction between the three general sorts of black metallers:
1) true fucking black metallers. True fucking black metallers are 30 or maybe even 40 somethings who live mainly in Norway. They've been around probably since the beginning of the whole scene, and have been immersed in the whole thing so long they don't even have to try to be grim and krieg. It just comes naturally to them.
2) tr00 fucking black metallers. The fucking means a different things. These are teenagers who mainly live in the United States and desperately want to be 1. They have to try too fucking hard though. Any criticism of black metallers will almost certainly refer to this group, unless you're a huge fan of Norwegian stave churches.
3) people who like black metal. Don't really see what the fuss is about.
Totally agree. This has been quoted so that people can read it again.
B.
I want some corpse paint.
Why no go to the best?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Immortal.jpg)
Leather, corpse paint, and looking ridiculous - this is what black metal is all about.
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Immortal have the worst Black metal pictures ever. I'm serious, they're just fucking hilarious.
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I want some corpse paint.
And if you were truly black metal you would have said: I want some corpses.
If I understand correctly.
No, it's: I'm going to make some corpses.
Hah, this thread just reminded me of The Mighty Boosh: Nanageddon when Howard'd trying to impress some goth chicks. "I went to the cemetary yesterday. Did a shit on one of the tombstones"
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Ok then. Am I to take it you're in the #3 category? It certainly sounds like Black metal dudes in cats #1 and #2 are hilarious. Whether they be purposefully or unintentionally so is irrelevant.
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Both types 1 and 2 are ridiculous and if you ever meet them you should totally befriend them, if only for the hilarity value.
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Ok then. Am I to take it you're in the #3 category? It certainly sounds like Black metal dudes in cats #1 and #2 are hilarious. Whether they be purposefully or unintentionally so is irrelevant.
Dude, did you not see the Immortal picture?
And kai's right, befriending types 1 and 2 is fun. Going to concerts with them is even more hilarious.
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Going to non black metal concerts is amazing-er.
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Leather, corpse paint, and looking ridiculous - this is what black metal is all about.
To quote the masters themselves:
Demonaz: Pure black, frost, spikes *slaps shinpads* skin...warpaint, corpsepaint...that's the pure black metal. That's all it's all about. The frost, is from the North...we are from Norway and we present black metal from Norway, and that's cold, woods, it's like... *slaps shinpads* spikes, and all that.
Abbath: Frost...
Demonaz: Frost, yeah. Blashyrk! Black metal from the Blashyrk.
Best metal interview of all time.
I've never been to a black metal concert :( Like, nevar. I'm not counting Cradle of Filth. The black stage at Wacken will be like coming home, to a realm far removed from the prevalent heavy music tastes of my home country, which do rather suck camel cock.
If number 1 will consent to be your friend, then you either must be a 1 yourself, a member of one of their favourite bands, or be in possession of large amounts of psychoactive drugs and Finnish vodka you are willing to give them freely. If they befriend you without meeting any of those conditions, they're probably just a poser. Either that, or they totally want to sodomise you.[/quote]
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most black metal is extremely opposed to drug use, though drinking a lot of wine isnt unheard of. Any decent black metal band anyways. Any half decent NSBM band will kill you for doing drugs without thinking twice!
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What drug used opposed black metal are you listening to? Because I'm just listening to The Meads of Asphodel screaming 'HASHISH HASHISH HASHISH HASHISH' and doubting your assertions. A lot.
Thanks, though, for giving me another insight into why NSBM bands and Christian bands both curiously suck so hard...
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Any half decent NSBM band will kill you for doing drugs without thinking twice!
Oh good, we're all safe.
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What drug used opposed black metal are you listening to? Because I'm just listening to The Meads of Asphodel screaming 'HASHISH HASHISH HASHISH HASHISH' and doubting your assertions. A lot.
Thanks, though, for giving me another insight into why NSBM bands and Christian bands both curiously suck so hard...
I read an interview with Varg Vikernes a while back in which he kept going off about how he thought drug users should have been rounded up and killed instead of put in jail or something ridiculous. From everything I've heard/talked about it seems to be a strong theme in the NSBM scene.
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I read an interview with Varg Vikernes a while back in which he kept going off about how he thought drug users should have been rounded up and killed instead of put in jail or something ridiculous. From everything I've heard/talked about it seems to be a strong theme in the NSBM scene.
That's pretty much their attitude to everything.
"Excuse me, one of your dogs just crapped on my lawn."
"So?"
"THEY WILL BE ROUNDED UP AND KILLED!"
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dude nobody likes a shitty lawn.
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If you want to see some pretty good black metal photos go here:
http://www.peterbeste.com/ Then to Bodies Of Work and Norwegian Black Metal.
Also, props (or maybe halls of slaughtered virgins would be more appropriate in this case) to the guy who mentioned The Boosh and black metal in the same post.
Chris
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I think it's worth noting that the amount of times people have used the word "kreig" in this thread is just goddamned scary.
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I think it's worth noting that the amount of times people have used the word "kreig" in this thread is just goddamned scary.
And if that is to be the german word for war it's misspelled.
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TYPO IST KRIEG!
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TYPO IST KRIEG!
Okkay!
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This is so totally nerco.
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This is so totally nerco.
Nerco ist kreig?
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Javhol!
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Javhol!
Glad that we worked that out!
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What's sad is I can't even be bitchy about people making fun of my typo because it snowballed into a goofy joke.
But still, people shouldn't be able to say krieg with a straight face, especially when they're talking about a musical genre as nerdy and hopelessly silly as metal.
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only about as nerdy as the history channel meets dungeons and dra--
oh, right.
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But still, people shouldn't be able to say krieg with a straight face, especially when they're talking about a musical genre as nerdy and hopelessly silly as metal.
Wait, should people be able to say krieg with a straight face about any other type of music?
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The neue Belle & Sebastian Album ist krieg!
*straight face*
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But....BLACK. METAL. IST. KRIEEEG!
Kanwulf said so, so it totally must be true.
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But still, people shouldn't be able to say krieg with a straight face, especially when they're talking about a musical genre as nerdy and hopelessly silly as metal.
Man I don't know how people can sit at coffeeshops talking about indie bands with a straight face and they dont even get fun buzz words like krieg grim necro or frostbitten.
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The neue Belle & Sebastian Album ist krieg!
*straight face*
Has Belle & Sebastian burned any churches latley? because if so, they are totally krieg.
To be necro, you'd have to drink a virgin's blood under a foolmoon. Or did they cahnge that? I did'nt get the memo.
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But still, people shouldn't be able to say krieg with a straight face, especially when they're talking about a musical genre as nerdy and hopelessly silly as metal.
Man I don't know how people can sit at coffeeshops talking about indie bands with a straight face and they dont even get fun buzz words like krieg grim necro or frostbitten.
Seriously guys. You're missing out.
Also, I totally know someone with the last name Krieg. It's pretty bitchin.
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Man I don't know how people can sit at coffeeshops talking about indie bands with a straight face.
Yeah, I don't get that either. ;)
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I think the thing about metal is that after they've told you about how technically gifted the musicians are, gotten excited about how extreme it is etc etc, the average metalhead will follow up with 'ive got to admit, the lyrics are bloody stupid though'. Indie kids seem more stuck up, the fact that anyone could credit Pete Doherty with talent when he's clearly a worthless little smackhead with nothing to offer but bullshit opinions and arrogance proves the lack of self-awareness in the indie community. Outside of Tool fans (myself amongst them) to me it seems there isn't nearly as much pretension in heavier/more aggressive/just plain louder forms of music. Saw Entombed/Raging Speedhorn at a kind of extreme/underground 1 day metal festival held in a club. I think it counts as necro. possibly krieg. Oh, you americans should know necro is also the name of a hip hop mc who raps a kind of combination of black metal and gangsta rap, its the kind of shitty crossover appeal rubbish we all know and hate.
ooh, also on that billing, Sikth and Charger (Charger were a thing of beauty, i swear they played the same chord and the singer vomited the same word for half an hour then just left, any resemblance to actual music is purely coincidental)
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All sides of music fanboy idiocy arguments are stupid.
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1) true fucking black metallers. True fucking black metallers are 30 or maybe even 40 somethings who live mainly in Norway. They've been around probably since the beginning of the whole scene, and have been immersed in the whole thing so long they don't even have to try to be grim and krieg. It just comes naturally to them.
2) tr00 fucking black metallers. The fucking means a different things. These are teenagers who mainly live in the United States and desperately want to be 1. They have to try too fucking hard though. Any criticism of black metallers will almost certainly refer to this group, unless you're a huge fan of Norwegian stave churches.
3) people who like black metal. Don't really see what the fuss is about.
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has it been time for one of the 'big' uk rock/metal magazines to run the standard extra long article about the early 90s norweign black metal scene / murder / church burning yet ?
beyond in the nightside eclipse i never could really get into black metal, probably because they all took themselves waaaay to seriously and it just seemed a bit daft so i never bothered investigating much further than emperor.
although it always strikes me as a bit of a shame that a lot of people seem to think cradle of filth are the be all and end all of black metal, from what i've heard they aren't even a particularly good example of the genre, more like they're dani filth's ego trip, with some rude tshirts and a revolving door policy for pantomine goons who make up the rest of the band.
or thats how it seems to me at least, the only times i ever see anything written about them its about a sweary tshirt or yet another line-up change.
of course i could be entirely wrong but they do seem to be quite a poor band.
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Cerulaetes, I desperately want to use that as an avatar.
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Cradle of Filth haven't really been true black metal since the mid nineties when they sold out for the first time by concentrating completely on fantasy horror lyrics rather than paganism/nationalism/anti-christianity after a tabloid scandal in which an extremely devoted fan of theirs desecrated a number of churches. They were always a bit black/death hybrid anyway, and from the first they've constantly evolved into a broader mix of metal styles that now, I have to say, owes far more to commercial considerations than any artistic convictions. The real reason that black metal fans tend to denounce all Cradle of Filth, however, is that they have never been entirely serious. I still like a lot of Cradle before the more dire recent albums simply because they're so much fun. Tr00 Black Metallers, even if they can't pin it down exactly, hate the percieved idea that a band MAY NOT BE TAKING THINGS SERIOUSLY. It's one of the reasons Carpathian Forest don't get nratly as much respect as they deserve whilst Darkthrone, though they are admittedly quite good, get somewhat overhyped.
And some people do just hate Dani's voice, though my favourite comment on the whole thing is contained in a cartoon printed in the back of an early issue of Zero Tolerance, the site for which annoyingly down.
First Frame caption is "Cradle of Filth are always the subject of drastically differing critical viewpoints. There are those who like them..." and then in the first frame a smiling metalhead giving a thumbs up and saying "Dani is the very essence of Masculinity!" Next frame, "There are those who don't..." and a grim black metaller frowning and saying "The only TRUE black metal band was formed before Time by the Aryan demon-father of Satan in the deepest caverns of Hell, recorded onto the genitalia of mutilated christian virgins and can only be heard by the corpses of long-dead pagan demigods!" and in the final frame the caption "...and those who really, really don't", with a picture of a distressed looking priest screaming "SATAN IS IN MY EARS".
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necro representin the death rap
word. necro and ill bill rule.
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My contribution.
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I would kill to use that as an avatar too.
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two of the three best black metal gifs, all to come out of 4chan. (4chan is an e-crypt where horrors often slither out of, lovecraft style. past horrors include the orly owls, party hards, gifs depicting patrick duffy's disembodied head murdering people. most running jokes come from 4chan.)
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What would you say was the other best black metal gif?
The only other one I can think of is the continuosly looping bit of Abbath rocking out from either the Blashryk or Grim and Frostbitten Kingdoms vids.
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Cerulaetes, I desperately want to use that as an avatar.
That's my friend's last.fm avatar.
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What would you say was the other best black metal gif?
I can't remember, but I swear to god there was a third one. just trust me on this.