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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: onewheelwizzard on 15 Mar 2006, 13:43
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So I just recently started listening to Spacemen 3, and their album "Taking Drugs To Make Music To Take Drugs To" made me consider how much of the music I love is entwined with drugs. If there were some common strain going through most of the music I listen to, it is an influence from drug use or culture.
I was wondering if many other people find this to be true about their tastes. Actually using drugs isn't part of the equation ... many of your standard good-music standbys, like The Beatles and Pink Floyd and stuff like that, are obviously enjoyed by people who never take drugs, even though they definitely fall into the rather large cateogory of "drug music." But there's a pronounced bias in my own tastes towards this category and I was wondering if anyone else is in a similar position.
Artists who are part of my drug-music collection:
The Beatles, Black Sabbath, 13th Floor Elevators, Deep Purple, Acid Mothers Temple, Animal Collective, Dead Meadow, Bardo Pond, The Doors, Dungen, The Flaming Lips, Blue Cheer, Cream, Grateful Dead, Hawkwind, Jefferson Airplane, Pelt, Pelican, Sleep, Spacemen 3, Buffalo, Jack Rose, Isis, Hypnos 69, earthlings?, Desert Sessions, Earth, SUNN 0))), Jimi Hendrix, Kyuss, Love, QOTSA, Roky Erickson, Santana, Yawning Man, and some more. I realize that many of these are easy to consider without thinking about their drug influences (The Beatles are an obvious example), but they're all drug music in some fashion as far as I'm concerned.
I don't know how welcome a discussion about actual drugs would be in this forum, so let's keep this about the music. But I can't be the only one here with music interests along these lines, so this thread can be about recommendations between people with tastes tending towards drug-influenced music.
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If we included alcohol as a drug, nigh on my entire music collection would be eligible. But I suspect we mean the more illegal sorts of drugs...your list is pretty good.
Casting an eye over my last.fm top 50 reveals only about 14-15 bands that I would definitely call drug music. I have no real problem filling out whole CD's of ridiculous stoner shit for when, ahem, I feel in the most appropriate mood for such things, ahem.
Apart a lot of yours, I would highly count Acid Bath, Orange Goblin, Ewigkeit (Jim Fog claims he gave his CD collection away to Oxfam so he could make more original music. I think he just set fire to them all and inhaled the fumes through a straw), Alien Sex Fiend, Swans, Sigh, The Sisters of Mercy, Star One (even if Lucassen is clean as a whistle, he's smoked the annual drug output of Afghanistan in secondary influences), Bob Dylan, Overlord, Crowbar, Electric Wizard, Bauhaus, Moonspell (well, the song 'Opium' at least), The Meads of Asphodel, The Inbreds, Syrafex, and in a non-stoner sense, Motorhead, The Anti-Nowhere League, The Ramones, countless other speed popping and glue huffing punks, and probably most of the EBM, Acid (hmmm...) and dark trance I listen to. I'm also gonna add Skyclad to this list, because there's odd drug references in their lyrics, and I like to put them in everywhere. I've also found that the mid-period prog stuff (mainly Oui Avant-Garde A Chance and bits of The Answer Machine?) are pretty rocking when I'm, ahem. And then there's all that depressive black metal composed in a haze of weedsmoke and NyQuil fumes.
Not that I would ever endorse the taking of drugs. Ahem.
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Khar, don't forget Placebo, as I know you're a fan.
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SunnO)) is definitelly drug music.
Wait, fuck that, Anything realesed by Southern Lord is drug music.
Also, Progressive rock is a drug music of some sort.
Not to play it, because Weed (I'm talking about Marijuana right now, nothing else) will effect your technique mostly. But for a listening drug Weed would be great for Soft Machine or any other jazzy prog' rock.
Electronica is also drug music. Listening to Ulver's Pedition City on drugs would be.. interesting.
Ambient and Noise will also do.
Hell, Every music is drug music.
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Khar, don't forget Placebo, as I know you're a fan.
Oh damn no. I've left out loads, don't worry.
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Alcohol is the reason I know most of the lyrics from a Reel Big Fish album.
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Alcohol is the reason I know most of the lyrics from a Reel Big Fish album.
I pity you.
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i don't claim to have read every word in every post thus far, but it seems to me that no one has said Modest Mouse yet.
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Pretty much ANYTHING electronic. (Eg. The Crystal Method, Chemical Brothers, Squarepusher, etc.)
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i don't claim to have read every word in every post thus far, but it seems to me that no one has said Modest Mouse yet.
You beat me to it.
The Moon and Antarctica, anyone?
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Marcy Playground has a song called Poppies that's about the wonders of opium.
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I do so love my stoner/sludge rock.
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Personally I wouldn't say that Deep Purple is drug music. I don't really get that vibe from them, despite their jamminess at times. Also, Deep Purple with Blackmore, Gillan, Lord, Glover and Paice (Mk II lineup) was the greatest band ever in my books.
I didn't notice Led Zepplin on anyones list and they are definately a "drug band" if there ever was one :P I think Jimmy Page has gotta be one of the most whacked out musicians ever, had so many drugs in him he could barely play half the time.
Other bands I would include would be the Allman Brother's Band, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith, Guns 'n' Roses, even some ZZ Top fits the category. Alot of shred would fit into it as well, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson (more blues than shred, but he still shreds), Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen, and all of the lesser known guys have their moments where they are pretty out there. Stevie Ray Vaughan was a big fan of his Leslie which gave alot of his songs a spacey sort of sound that would probably be pretty trippy if you were high.
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for some reason whenever I become intoxicated I go for the Wolf Parade, I don't know what it is but if I'm drunk Wolf Parade is my friend.
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Marcy Playground has a song called Poppies that's about the wonders of opium.
Also a song on the same album called "Opium."
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Personally I wouldn't say that Deep Purple is drug music. I don't really get that vibe from them, despite their jamminess at times. Also, Deep Purple with Blackmore, Gillan, Lord, Glover and Paice (Mk II lineup) was the greatest band ever in my books.
I didn't notice Led Zepplin on anyones list and they are definately a "drug band" if there ever was one :P I think Jimmy Page has gotta be one of the most whacked out musicians ever, had so many drugs in him he could barely play half the time.
Other bands I would include would be the Allman Brother's Band, Iron Maiden, Aerosmith, Guns 'n' Roses, even some ZZ Top fits the category. Alot of shred would fit into it as well, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson (more blues than shred, but he still shreds), Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen, and all of the lesser known guys have their moments where they are pretty out there. Stevie Ray Vaughan was a big fan of his Leslie which gave alot of his songs a spacey sort of sound that would probably be pretty trippy if you were high.
I mention Deep Purple because they were one of the first heavy psychedelic bands, and with Blue Cheer they paved the way for Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath. They might not have been as fixated on drug use as some of the other groups of the time (then again they might've ... one of their guitarists died of a drug overdose) but the sound is definitely a drug-influenced one.
I think the main reason why shredding and stuff like Aerosmith aren't on my list is my specific preference towards music influenecd by hallucinogens. Shredding is too play-by-numbers for that. I think the reason my personal drug-music choices are what they are is that players like David Gilmour or Jason Simon (Dead Meadow) can really take their music to some very strange places that shredding can't reach. Jason Simon can make incredibly trippy music with just an acoustic guitar and his voice (and don't even get me started on Jack Rose's acoustic guitar playing ... that stuff is WAY out there). Sure, you can space out or distort your sound as much as you like, but only some artists can actually take their music to the kind of places that drugs can bring musicians to. Sometimes it is about the instrumental sound, but more often it's the way you play it. The weird power to actually take their music to unfamiliar places isn't something I find in very many artists (certainly not everyone on my list can do it), and it requires more than just technical expertise and some distortion pedals (though those certainly help). This is all dependent on my personal way of percieving music, though, which I'm willing to bet is very different from most peoples'.
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Don't forget FRANK ZAPPA!
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Khar, don't forget Placebo, as I know you're a fan.
Oh damn no. I've left out loads, don't worry.
why is it that all my english friends count placebo and weed as going hand in hand in their formative teenage years.... seriously is there some english law where all teenagers have to hide in attics, get high and suddenly feel that they can really 'relate' to what brian molko is trying to say
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Pretty much my entire collection is driven by heroin, speed or acid. I mean, industrial, middle years punk and experimental... fuck.
And lots of Type O Negative. Those dudes'll take anything.
And of those 30% of bands in my collection that aren't on something illegal are definately boozed out of their minds pretty regularly.
Pretty much the two exceptions are AFI and Minor Threat cause they're both straight edge.
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Don't forget FRANK ZAPPA!
Aside from the fact that... you know, he never did drugs in his life.
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onwheelwizard: If you liked Spacemen 3 you may want to give their offshoot bands a chance. Pete Kember (Sonic Boom) formed Spectrum and Experimental Audio Research while Jason Pierce (J Spaceman) formed Spiritualized.
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why is it that all my english friends count placebo and weed as going hand in hand in their formative teenage years.... seriously is there some english law where all teenagers have to hide in attics, get high and suddenly feel that they can really 'relate' to what brian molko is trying to say
"A friend in need's a friend indeed,
A friend with weed is better..."
Molko is actually, despite what the quote may indicate, a pretty damn good lyricist and singer. The placebo requirement I think is more a thing of people slightly older than myself, though it does seem pretty common.
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Don't forget FRANK ZAPPA!
Aside from the fact that... you know, he never did drugs in his life.
Really?
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Yeah. Pretty ultra mega anti-drug. Can't say the same for some of his band members, but they didn't really write the music anyways.
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But...he named his kids Moonunit and Dweesel (SP?)
Ah whatever, he fucking rules either way.
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I hate drugs. And more often than not, hate associations with my favourite bands and drugs. It's pretty stupid, probably, but I do often appreciate when a band I like is teetotal.
But NOT straight edge. There's a difference between straight edge and sober which most people seem to miss.
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Don't forget FRANK ZAPPA!
Aside from the fact that... you know, he never did drugs in his life.
Really?
Zappa fired musicians on the spot if he found them doing drugs.
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Ah, the days of running away from Waterloo at 4am to come to TO to party at the clubs. Or the days of taking the bus down, partying all night long, crashing on a bench, catching the first bus up the next morning. *sighs* Those were the days.
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certain Flipper songs seem to be very drug friendly
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The RASCAL!
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1200 Mics.
And uh, every psytrance DJ & artist ever I guess.
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Don't forget FRANK ZAPPA!
Aside from the fact that... you know, he never did drugs in his life.
it is called irony. It is meant to illustrate the fact that you don't need to be high to write fucked-up music.
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While we're on the subject, I was reading up on Hawkwind the other day, and apparently they kicked Lemmy out because of his drug use. This is a little confusing for me. Was it just they were taking shitloads of acid and Lemmy was just going buck-wild on amphetamines?
Insane.
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Don't forget FRANK ZAPPA!
Aside from the fact that... you know, he never did drugs in his life.
it is called irony. It is meant to illustrate the fact that you don't need to be high to write fucked-up music.
Irony is a very hard thing to display over the intra-webs. Cause looking at your post, you could totally get the idea you were saying it's totally drugtastic.
And yeah, Lemmy was "using hte wrong type of drugs". Tee hee.
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Coil.
They even recorded albums on LSD (Love's Secret Domain to name one)
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And yeah, Lemmy was "using hte wrong type of drugs". Tee hee.
Yeah, compare one of the songs Lemmy wrote or mostly wrote, like, say, Motorhead, to, for example, 'The Golden Void'. The main reason he got kicked out was the level of his addiction, however. He was high almost all the time, and the catalyst was getting busted by the cops when they were on tour in Canada.
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I can't believe nobody quoted Bill Hicks...
See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs, man.
Thank you, Bill.
For me, it doesn't really matter about the amount of drugs the artists take.
Some of the bands I adore, are anti-drugs, others are pro-drugs. All fine by me, just let me do the amount that I want of what I want when I want it.
I don't base my opinion on the those of musicians, no matter how much I admire and respect them.
Besides, I really shouldn't say this but I know this guy who is a pretty decent guitar player. I mean, he can play, he's not exactly a master but he can play a decent riff or two.
But I've witnessed this guy on XTC... It was a real surprise. First of all, normally he's pretty shy and silent, especially when there is a human adult femine specimen nearby. On E he is very confident, very charming and funny as hell.
Second his guitarskills... I swear to God, he took his acoustic guitar and he just started playing, out of the blue. It was as if the late Johnny Cash dropped a drop of sperm somewhere in a fertile Belgian uterus 25 years ago. I mean, he played with so much soul, his chord progressions were not original but it was just so amazing. Anyways he played for more then 1/2 hour and then he just glared at his guitar and he said "where the fuck did that tune come from?"
So, yeah, drugs can influence your playing. I've seen it.
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Aerosmith
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I'm also gonna add Skyclad to this list, because there's odd drug references in their lyrics, and I like to put them in everywhere.
Martin during the one concert of Skyclad I saw: "Vote green ladies and gentleman. If any of you have some weed to share, see me after the show."
This being in Holland and all I'm sure he got what he wanted.
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All Dub.
You can't begin to comprehend how high Lee Scratch Perry was when he was at Black Ark. And before Black Ark. And after.
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Coil.
They even recorded albums on LSD (Love's Secret Domain to name one)
I believe they mixed it in 48 hours under the influence of LSD. I think creating such an amazing album in 48 hours is pretty impressive.
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See also:
Loop
The Psychic Ills
Skywave - Echodrone is my favorite album to smoke (weed) to. It's also my favorite album anyway.
Disco Infero
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Coil.
They even recorded albums on LSD (Love's Secret Domain to name one)
I believe they mixed it in 48 hours under the influence of LSD. I think creating such an amazing album in 48 hours is pretty impressive.
That album sounds like an LSD trip. I'd love to listen to it drunk or on drugs.
Its an amazing album even without any drugs involved.
Also I'd like to add to our little list of drug related artists a band called Kali Live Dub.
Groovy Jam Dub from france, great stuff, havent listened to it in years though.
Oh, wait a second, Did anyone mention Bob Marly?
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Acid Mothers Temple
One of my friends said the most expansive, enlightening moment of his life was when he listened to AMT high.
I think Kawabata Makoto and his merry/slightly frightening collective of friends truly live up to the Spaceman 3 creed of taking drugs to make music to take drugs to.
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Martin during the one concert of Skyclad I saw: "Vote green ladies and gentleman. If any of you have some weed to share, see me after the show."
This being in Holland and all I'm sure he got what he wanted.
Oh, that crazy doped up hippy. ^_^
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Martin during the one concert of Skyclad I saw: "Vote green ladies and gentleman. If any of you have some weed to share, see me after the show."
This being in Holland and all I'm sure he got what he wanted.
Oh, that crazy doped up hippy. ^_^
Wasn't the only reference either. So, now we know how he arrives at those brilliant if slightly weird lyrics.
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See I think drugs have done some good things for us. If you don't think drugs have done good things for us then do me a favor. Go home tonight and take all of your records,tapes and all your CD's and burn them. Because, you know all those musicians who made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreal fucking high on drugs, man.
Man, the beatles were so high, they let Ringo sing a few songs. We all live in a Yellow Submarine? Fuck!!!
That routine always cracks me up when I hear it :D
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Wait a damn minute, I just noticed something in the original post.
Pink Floyd is NOT fucking drug music. They smoked a bit of dope, I don't think it was even all of them that did that, but it wasn't music created from drugs. They were not a drug band.
A lot of people take drugs and listen to Floyd, but they'd pretty much stopped it by WYWH except for a bit of booze, and that was limited too.
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Uh, Syd Barrett took a boatload of LSD. Early Floyd (especially Piper) is definitely drug music.
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LSD is why Syd Barrett got kicked out of Pink Floyd. He got high once and locked his gf in a closet for three days, feeding her nothing but crackers.
They did loads of LSD in their early days, but Barrett took it one step too far.
P.S.
You should find a copy of a CD called The Dub Side Of The Moon. A tripped out dub version of the classic, totally owsome stuff.
If I remmember correctly, they recorded a bong and placed it at the beginning of Brain Damage.. or was it Money?
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LSD is why Syd Barrett got kicked out of Pink Floyd. He got high once and locked his gf in a closet for three days, feeding her nothing but crackers.
They did loads of LSD in their early days, but Barrett took it one step to far.
P.S.
You should find a copy of a CD called The Dub Side Of The Moon. A tripped out dub version of the classic, totally owsome stuff.
If I remmember correctly, they recorded a bong and placed it at the beginning of Brain Damage.. or was it Money?
The cash registers are replaced by someone sucking a bong and coughing.
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Thats right!
Now I remmember.. I need to see if I still have my copy of it, its totally awsome.
Nevermind, I'm going off topic.
Now when I think about it, ambient artists like Thomas Koner would be graet drug music.
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I think the biggest difference is in what drug you're taking while listening to the band. 60s-70s psychedlic bands like Floyd, or the Doors, would be much better left to, gasp, psychedelic hallucinogens, whereas if i've been smoking weed i really like to drive around listening to three six mafia or lil flip. (which is probably a deathworthy sin on these boards haha)
Any kind of crazy psych drug I like to listen to music like Porcupine Tree, Gentle Giant, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Dillinger Escape Plan, PsyOpus, anything that's really hectic and put together bizarrely.
If I'm chilling after a sesh though, I like to put on rap music, MF Doom, Madlib, even DJ Shadow fits the bill, anything that is really well produced comes through awesomely on a good sound system and makes the experience just that much more enjoyable.
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Uh, Syd Barrett took a boatload of LSD. Early Floyd (especially Piper) is definitely drug music.
"I'VE GOT A BIKE,
YOU CAN RIDE IT IF YOU LIKE..."
Possibly the most deranged, 'stary eyed junkie' track ever.
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I love that song. Also, Take Up Thy Stethoscope and Walk is pretty hardcore too.
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I love that song. Also, Take Up Thy Stethoscope and Walk is pretty hardcore too.
Everyone gives "Take Up Thy Stethoscope and Walk" a lot of shit, calling it the worst song on Piper, but I think it's an awesome song. "Doctor, doctor!" First song credited to Waters, too, interestingly enough.
Speaking of Syd Barrett and LSD, apparently he got introduced to the stuff by his friends, who thought it would be a lark to put acid in his coffee. There's some home video type footage I saw in a documentary once featuring Syd tripping the fuck out, rolling around in a field, staring at his hands, and then laughing.
Shame he went so crazy.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Scott Weiland (Stone Temple Pilots/Velvet Revolver) yet. I believe that man no longer bleeds. Crack pours from open wounds on him as if it were sand.
I really wish he'd stop, you know, doing drugs and getting arrested so he could actually make more music.
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Uh, Syd Barrett took a boatload of LSD. Early Floyd (especially Piper) is definitely drug music.
"I'VE GOT A BIKE,
YOU CAN RIDE IT IF YOU LIKE..."
Possibly the most deranged, 'stary eyed junkie' track ever.
Brilliant track. I think that's one of the best examples of his genius, the rhyming in it is fantastic - except for rhyming 'men' with 'man,' but I think that may have been deliberate on his part.
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Oh, I forgot to mention Red Hot Chili Peppers, especially during the early part of their career. It's not like they've stopped, though. Every time I hear Californication, I think to myself "Holy crap, these guys were so stoned when they wrote this song."
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whereas if i've been smoking weed i really like to drive around listening to three six mafia or lil flip. (which is probably a deathworthy sin on these boards haha)
By "drive around" I'll assume you meant "bounce and swang in my low-low". Because simply driving to Three 6 is a deathworthy sin. Also Gangsta Pat > All other South Hip-Hop.
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Actually, the thing about Syd Barrett is that most of the acid he took wasn't even intentional. Once Pink Floyd gained a following, people started to treat him as a musical genius who only "worked" while he was tripping and they'd feed him the stuff at every opportunity they had. It wasn't like he wanted to always be high, it's just that his friends thought he made his best music while he was tripping and whenever anyone was hanging out with him they'd slip him acid. He was pretty much always on the stuff and it wasn't even intentional, which is probably the reason why he had such a bad reaction to it. I think it's safe to say that there are people who took as much LSD as he did without going nuts the way he did. The Grateful Dead, for instance, spent the first portion of their existance playing music all day long (literally ... they were practicing as if it were their full-time jobs because it was how they paid their rent) during the weekdays and taking acid every weekend. And anyone who's ever taken acid can tell you that doing it every week is completely ridiculous.
The other legend is that Syd Barrett actually took a shot glass of acid once. A single drop administered by microdropper can sned someone some very strange places, so a shot glass is downright scary.
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By "drive around" I'll assume you meant "bounce and swang in my low-low". Because simply driving to Three 6 is a deathworthy sin. Also Gangsta Pat > All other South Hip-Hop.
I'm ridin spinnaz, and they don't stop. and the name you're looking for is Project Pat, or Gangsta Boo :o
edit- though i'm gonna argue and say that considering Project Pat and Dj Paul pretty much make the music for everyone in the bay area, it's hard to really decide. Houston and ATL both have some huge names that could contend, but I'm totally agreeing with memphis being the top.
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Listening to Boards Of Canada feels like a euphoric trip, Pink Floyd feels like a bad trip.
I love minimalistic tranc-y techno, in the Richie Hawtin vein, and absolutely adore good Acid House, yet I've never consumed anything harder than a few shots of bad vodka.
Irony is a very hard thing to display over the intra-webs. Cause looking at your post, you could totally get the idea you were saying it's totally drugtastic.
Remember! Everything on the inter net is somehow sarcasm.
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By "drive around" I'll assume you meant "bounce and swang in my low-low". Because simply driving to Three 6 is a deathworthy sin. Also Gangsta Pat > All other South Hip-Hop.
I'm ridin spinnaz, and they don't stop. and the name you're looking for is Project Pat, or Gangsta Boo :o
edit- though i'm gonna argue and say that considering Project Pat and Dj Paul pretty much make the music for everyone in the bay area, it's hard to really decide. Houston and ATL both have some huge names that could contend, but I'm totally agreeing with memphis being the top.
Your avatar defies physics! If Luigi is scratching those decks, why does the record continue to spin? IT'S WITCHCRAFT I TELL THEE!
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I'm ridin spinnaz, and they don't stop. and the name you're looking for is Project Pat, or Gangsta Boo :o
I think you'll find that Gangsta Pat (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57F1AD346AC7120D3932754C5BB7AE608CA4AF5803E274754D5B97F4B82006ACA54ECAA84E29E00F87AB0FD2CBB580FD3CCA25FF6DE6F37388CFEC61D&searchlink=GANGSTA|PAT&uid=MIW040603222129&samples=1&sql=11:exfm968o3ep8~T0) is most definately the name I was reaching for. Project Pat (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57F1AD346AC7120D3932754C5BB7AE608CA4AF5803E274754D5B97F4B82006ACA54ECAA84E29E00F87AB0FD2CBB580FD3CCA25FF6DE6F373889FEC61D&searchlink=PROJECT|PAT&uid=MIW050603222129&samples=1&sql=11:0t6zefwkogf8~T0) is good, but as already mentioned, Gangster Pat is better. Just check out 'Deadly Verses'. Allmusic says it's meh, but they are incorrect. That seems to be pretty hard to find, so here's a lil taster:
http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2DU0BGC63HC5V0UV8GJ58MS4DZ
Also, Memphis 4 lyfe. Well, as Memphis 4 lyfe as I can get having never actually been to America, and prefering motherfucking DJ Screw to any Memphis production.
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Your avatar defies physics! If Luigi is scratching those decks, why does the record continue to spin? IT'S WITCHCRAFT I TELL THEE!
if you look, the record he's scratching is going back and forth, where as the other maintains normal spinning :D
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Your avatar defies physics! If Luigi is scratching those decks, why does the record continue to spin? IT'S WITCHCRAFT I TELL THEE!
if you look, the record he's scratching is going back and forth, where as the other maintains normal spinning :D
Hmm. You're right. Damn those crazy colours, I couldn't see straight.