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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Patrick on 18 Mar 2006, 14:55
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Name a few solos you think are worth EVERYBODY'S time to try and learn. The world will explode if anybody says "Stairway to Heaven" because god knows everybody knows that solo and most of us are sick of hearing it mentioned.
A few of my own suggestions:
"Reelin' In The Years" - Steely Dan
"Crossroads" and "Sleepytime Time" - Cream (the live versions)
"Star Spangled Banner (live)" - Jimi Hendrix (come on, don't give me that, if I can do it, chances are, you can too)
"Setting Me Up" and "Sultans of Swing" - Dire Straits
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Everything from Dragonforce's last 2 albums.
There is no solo more hardcore than anything DragonForce usually shreds out.
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Everything from Dragonforce's last 2 albums.
There is no solo more hardcore than anything DragonForce usually shreds out.
Oh man, Herman Li's badassery on the guitar totally slipped my mind. That guy's a god.
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Hellz yeah to the Crossroads. SO much fun.
Black Sabbath - Sweet Leaf. Such an awesome solo, both guitar and drum. Short, but sweet (omg puns)
Iron Maiden - Two Minutes To Midnight.
Jimi Hendrix - Voodo Child (Slight Return) OMG sooo much fun to play. Like, the entire song.
Judas Priest - All Guns Blazing.
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"Reelin' In The Years" - Steely Dan
FUCK. YES.
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Some of Ler's solos in Primus songs are freakin' ridiculous because the sound he makes with all his pedals is just wild. I'm by no means a guitarist, so I may be overrating him a bit, but I believe some of his stuff is incredible. I think most notably his solo on DMV is really well, and he calls it Van Halen's 'Eruption' backwards. I also believe his solo on Harold of the Rocks is very shredworthy. Those are just a few.
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Thread over. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owNBEShKFqs&search=fermented%20offal)
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Oh, gonna play the YouTube game now, are we? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FI8SUc2SV4k) Well, then, take a listen to this here AMAZING video of Cream playing "Sunshine of Your Love" with a brilliant 1968 Clapton solo.
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Pretty much every Dinosaur Jr solo ever.
Hell yeah. Also "Say the Word" from J Mascis' solo stuff
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I haven't heard More Light, I'll have to check it out...
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Some of Ler's solos in Primus songs are freakin' ridiculous because the sound he makes with all his pedals is just wild. I'm by no means a guitarist, so I may be overrating him a bit, but I believe some of his stuff is incredible. I think most notably his solo on DMV is really well, and he calls it Van Halen's 'Eruption' backwards. I also believe his solo on Harold of the Rocks is very shredworthy. Those are just a few.
One word. Jellkit. Seriously, I'm still trying to figure that out. It's a bastard, because nobody else wants to, so I have to do it by ear and it's a motherfucker. One of my projects on hold at the moment.
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I can't actually PLAY guitar, but I dare someone to learn the entire guitar solo in Under a Glass Moon. Seriously, Petrucci is a fucking god.
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Pink Floyd - Mother, Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Have A Cigar, High Hopes, Comfortably Numb...I could go on.
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One word. Jellkit. Seriously, I'm still trying to figure that out. It's a bastard, because nobody else wants to, so I have to do it by ear and it's a motherfucker. One of my projects on hold at the moment.
If anyone ever asks me to describe Primus in one word, I simply tell them 'Jellikit'. Les is practically molesting his bass, Ler is just going wild and then the drum solo..man.
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Dire Straits - Sultans of Swing
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Dire Straits - Sultans of Swing
Already mentioned that one (very first post), but yeah, Knopfler is a god.
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Oops, I was gonna say "Tunnel of Love" but I must've been reading your post when I replied and thought "yeah, Sultans!" durr brain fart
Anyway, both :) my bad.
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Arch Enemy - Angelclaw Past 3:03. FUCK YES.
Burzum - Ea, Lord of the Depths Yeah, whatever, wank away on the top of the fretboard, very little of anything you do will be as good as the twenty second, repeating, ten (ish) note solo from this song.
Children of Bodom - Hate Me!
Contrastic - Liars are Winners did anyone specify guitar? I don't think so. Killer keyboard solos ftw.
Skyclad - Spinnning Jenny This is why you need to learn how to play the fiddle. FIDDLE SOLOS FTW.
Star One - Set Your Controls there's quite a few solos in this one, keyboard, guitar and duelling, but you'll know the one I mean.
Wuthering Heights - Longing For the Woods (Part 2: The Ring of Fire) Even though it can be quite hard to tell with Wuthering Heights where absolutely insane folk/prog riffing ends and true soloing begins.
And a few others mentioned above. I dunno really the aim of this thread though.
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Anyway, both :) my bad.
Hah, no worries. Knopfler am teh winnar.
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One word. Jellkit. Seriously, I'm still trying to figure that out. It's a bastard, because nobody else wants to, so I have to do it by ear and it's a motherfucker. One of my projects on hold at the moment.
If anyone ever asks me to describe Primus in one word, I simply tell them 'Jellikit'. Les is practically molesting his bass, Ler is just going wild and then the drum solo..man.
I've been using the term "thrash polka in the middle of a war between rival circuses". But Jellkit is shorter.
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Maggot Brain - Funkadelic
Porcupine Tree - Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape
And of course, anyone who can't do a decent job of Smoke on the Water should be behanded for the good of music.
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Actually, Seven Nation Army has replaced Smoke on the Water as the introductory song that every guitarist learns before they give up playing. Tis a shame.
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Kai, surely you jest! But... but... I don't *want* to get sick of another song just yet!
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Oh, it's certainly not completely taken over, but give it a good... three years maybe and walk into a guitar shop. Woah nelly.
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Man, those two... last time I was in a guitar shop, I whipped out a Jackson, plugged it into a DigiTech Hot Head stompbox and a Marshall MG100DFX and shredded out the solo to "Dreams" by Van Halen.
Hey, there's a good solo for you, the one in "Dreams" by Van Halen. Playing it makes you sound like a guitar god when really it's easy as hell.
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I can't actually PLAY guitar, but I dare someone to learn the entire guitar solo in Under a Glass Moon. Seriously, Petrucci is a fucking god.
I played with a guy who could nail it. I know he was working on the solo to "Fatal Tragedy" (harder) at one point, but I don't remember whether he got it or not. Knowing the guy, I suspect he did. I can't think of any guitar solos that really stand out as the most incredible things to happen to man as of now, and I don't want to open it up to any instrument (i.e. horns, bass, etc.) just yet.
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Actually, Seven Nation Army has replaced Smoke on the Water as the introductory song that every guitarist learns before they give up playing. Tis a shame.
i would normally agree, but to play SNA you need to downtune to B, whereas Smoke can be played in standard tuning. But.. unfortunately kids these days don't know who Deep Purple are. truly a sad sad day :(
Also, the best solo is clearly The Glass Prison's first solo. Petrucci IS god.
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Um... You don't need to. It just sounds more right if you do. I'd say that it sounds better, but I'm not sure if "Seven Nation Army," whether played in the correct key or not actually sounds better than anything.
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Actually, Seven Nation Army has replaced Smoke on the Water as the introductory song that every guitarist learns before they give up playing. Tis a shame.
Is that like Higher Ground replacing Roundabout as the standard bass song? :/
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Um... You don't need to. It just sounds more right if you do. I'd say that it sounds better, but I'm not sure if "Seven Nation Army," whether played in the correct key or not actually sounds better than anything.
playing things completely out of key is generally *wrong*, though. but, not that it really matters, seven nation army is plain terrible.
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Comfortably Numb's guitar solo kicks your ass...
actually, almost any Pink Floyd guitar solo.
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playing things completely out of key is generally *wrong*, though. but, not that it really matters, seven nation army is plain terrible.
Wait, does the entire guitar need to be tuned down, or just the low E string? I really don't know the song, and have only heard it maybe once or twice (thank god). Playing a song in a different key doesn't really matter. Nobody's calling Miles's version of "Autumn Leaves" wrong, even though he did it in a different key. Plus lots of tunes with vocalists need to be done in non-standard keys, just because of the singer's range. Of course, if you meant just the low E string, then I think the correct term for that would be drop B. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
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Yeah, it's just drop B, my bad.
ninja edit- i didnt mean renditions/whatever, i just mean flat out playing it wrong. sorry for the confusion
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Is that like Higher Ground replacing Roundabout as the standard bass song? :/
I've never learned either to this day! My first bass song was...um...*looks at the floor and mumbles* "Smells Like Teen Spirit."
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playing things completely out of key is generally *wrong*, though. but, not that it really matters, seven nation army is plain terrible.
Yes, but think of it this way: It's some 13 year old kid who got his parents to buy him a guitar so he can play a few Green Day tunes and maybe bang some girl. I really don't think he's worrying about the key of Seven Nation Army.
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It's my favorite solo ever so I die from happiness every time I hear it:
Wilco - "I'm the Man That Love's You"
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Now that I think about it, all the solos I like are not the craziest things ever. Thunderstruck, by AC/DC, for example. (That entire song is really fun to play, btw, in case you've never tried to learn it.) Other songs I'd suggest are Flor D'Luna by Carlos Santana (it's an instrumental, so it's technically a solo, right? The whole thing?), and anything by Cream. Bark at the Moon is another one I have a great deal of respect for seeing as it's next to impossible to play in a fucking VIDEO GAME, let alone on the real thing.
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Yeah, often times the best solos are incredibly simple. Hell, even the solos at the end of "Dosed" and "Easily" by RHCP are awesome.
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Surely I can't be the only Freebird fan here?
Freebird- Lynard Skynard.
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You Really Got Me - The Kinks
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E. Spaceman, heh, isn't that a Jimmy Page solo from his pre-Yardbirds session work days?
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Surely I can't be the only Freebird fan here?
Freebird- Lynard Skynard.
Agreed. It's a good song, although it seems to be the butt-end of a lot of jokes that seem to go over my head.
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Just so long as people stop requesting it at shows, especially when it's a jazz group! Every time someone does that, a little part of me dies inside. It's not funny any more! It really isn't! If you go to a show and yell out "Freebird," don't tell me. I'd track you down and hurt you.
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Just so long as people stop requesting it at shows, especially when it's a jazz group! Every time someone does that, a little part of me dies inside. It's not funny any more! It really isn't! If you go to a show and yell out "Freebird," don't tell me. I'd track you down and hurt you.
Oh, now I get the comment in Guitar Hero while it's loading a song and says "They don't really want you to play Freebird. They're just hassling you."
Gives me the idea that if I was ever in a band, we'd learn to play the song just so that if people were going to yell it out, we'd play it so they'd stfu.
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Freebird was, for around....6 years, my favorite song (yes, I'm one of those people who has favorites), it was very recently surpassed*, but I still love the song. I don't get the joke, or the calling it out at concerts.
If I had a band, we'd learn the song to rock the fuck out, no need for people to stfu.
By Desolation Row (take 1) from the "No Direction Home" soundtrack by Bob Dylan
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Nah mate, as soon as you finish the song, some stupid fucking heckler is going to yell out "PLAY FREE BIRD" at you just to annoy you. As you can tell by this post, it works with me. :B
/knows from experience, damn near decked the kid
//ah the joys of playing gigs
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URVwuH6ehpc
That's what you need to do if someone yells Freebird. Because Bill Hicks is amazing.
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HAHA, that's terrible! "Hitler had the right idea, HE WAS JUST AN UNDERACHIEVER!"
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Honestly, I'd just play Freebird each time someone called it out. They've already paid, it's their job to not fuck it up.
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Heh. Just keep playing it until they're sick of it? I like your style. And then play it even more, the buggers will NEVER shout "FREE BIRD" ever again.
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You know what's weird? I've been hearing this stupid freebird joke for a couple of years now, but I've never heard it and I don't know who did it.
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It's good the first 8 billion times. It's by Lynyrd Skynyrd.
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E. Spaceman, heh, isn't that a Jimmy Page solo from his pre-Yardbirds session work days?
There is some discussion on whether Page even appears on the final version. But even if he does he only plays the main riff along with Dave Davies. The solo was stolen by Dave Davies from Louie Louie.
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Yeah, that's a pain, that is. Ah well, we might never no, why dwell on it.
Anyways, if you want a badass guitar line, check out "Verdamp Lang Her" by BAP. The guy's not on an overdrive channel, he's putting an SG through an all-tube amp (either a Marshall 1959SPLX head or a Vox AC30, I can't tell in this case) on the clear channel, but he has it turned WAY THE FUCK UP. Required listening.
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Is that like Higher Ground replacing Roundabout as the standard bass song? :/
I've never learned either to this day! My first bass song was...um...*looks at the floor and mumbles* "Smells Like Teen Spirit."
Hah! That was definintely one of my first five.
The first song I actually learned was Only In Dreams by Weezer.
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Is that like Higher Ground replacing Roundabout as the standard bass song? :/
I've never learned either to this day!
I think that if you want to be qualifide as a good bass player, you should at least try to learn Jaco's stuff. I mean, after you nail his version of Donna Lee I'll bet your penis will just get bigger.
Godamnit, I'm having trubble even nailing his basic modes and harmonics exercises:(
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Why has nobody mentioned Jimmy Page (during the Led Zeppelin years) yet? I'm no guitar player, so I don't know if playing some of that stuff is possible for mere mortals, but most Led Zeppelin songs will have good guitar parts. If anyone here could play the solo from Achilles' Last Stand in its entirety, I would love them forever.
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Heh, half the time people just say "Stairway to Heaven" or "Black Dog," and everybody else is sick of them.
But yeah, Pagey's a badass, I love his live "Heartbreaker" solos, especially the bits where he goes into a traditional harpsichord tune on his guitar.
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Queens of the Stone Age - "God is On the Radio" or "Better Living Through Chemistry"
Black Sabbath - "Wheels of Confusion"
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I think that if you want to be qualifide as a good bass player, you should at least try to learn Jaco's stuff. I mean, after you nail his version of Donna Lee I'll bet your penis will just get bigger.
Godamnit, I'm having trubble even nailing his basic modes and harmonics exercises:(
I haven't played electric in about four months. Though, my band is thinking about playing some Weather Report. "Teen Town" specifically came up. I did get the first half of "Portrait of Tracy" down rather tight at a point. I think it was shortly before I came to college.
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Stand-up bass is so much cooler than electric bass. So very chill, but it can be so very rockin' when necessary. Think Glenn Miller Orchestra.
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I think that if you want to be qualifide as a good bass player, you should at least try to learn Jaco's stuff. I mean, after you nail his version of Donna Lee I'll bet your penis will just get bigger.
Godamnit, I'm having trubble even nailing his basic modes and harmonics exercises:(
I haven't played electric in about four months. Though, my band is thinking about playing some Weather Report. "Teen Town" specifically came up. I did get the first half of "Portrait of Tracy" down rather tight at a point. I think it was shortly before I came to college.
Teen Town is a great choise. I playd Birdland with the music department's fusion/rock band last year, and for a bunch of 15 year olds it turned out rather nice. We even recorded it for our music department's annual CD.
I have the notes for Portrait of Tracy and once all the school's "STUDY GODAMNIT!" shit ends I'll start working on it and on Donna Lee.
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The problem with "Teen Town" is that I'd actually have to practice it. I haven't yet practiced any of the stuff I'm playing with my band, and I'm already busy enough (I've got a recital coming up in less than two weeks!). It would also mean bringing my electric to gigs, which is one more thing I have to set up and tune. Plus I'd have to work out levels for that sucker, and I just plain don't want to play electric. I don't find it fun.
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So maybe you guys should find somthing easier to play, so you wont have to actually practice on?
Thinking back, Birdland has an easy bass line, should'nt be too hard to pull off by ear.
By the way, I'm going a little of topic with this, but what are you playing for your recital?
Interesting to know, I need to start deciding for mine although its a year away.
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I don't think anyone that's ever played Birdland did it by actually knowing the notes. The entire song is meant to be played by ear (and might I add, kicks major amounts of ass).
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So maybe you guys should find somthing easier to play, so you wont have to actually practice on?
Thinking back, Birdland has an easy bass line, should'nt be too hard to pull off by ear.
By the way, I'm going a little of topic with this, but what are you playing for your recital?
Interesting to know, I need to start deciding for mine although its a year away.
Well, I can sight read quite well, and wouldn't need to practice the line. However, the bass intro has the artificial harmonics, which are bitch to get on upright. Plus all the sliding he does sounds really bad on fretted electric (my fretless is at my parents' house).
I'm playing four tunes:
-Stella by Starlight (medium swing, you'll see why I'm not doing it as a ballad)
-My Funny Valentine (arco on the melody)
-Alone Together, in 7/4 (yes, it's originally written in 4/4. Soloing in 7/4 is hard, which is why I want to learn to do it well)
-Groovin' High at quarter note=300bpm
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300 BPM? Are you joking?
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Black Sabbath - "Wheels of Confusion"
I can totally play this and it is lotsa fun.
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I don't think anyone that's ever played Birdland did it by actually knowing the notes. The entire song is meant to be played by ear (and might I add, kicks major amounts of ass).
I didnt play it with notes or learnd it from notes, just with a little help from my teacher.
Anyway, Bastardous, good list. Lots and lots of luck!
300 BPM is'nt that bad, its the 7/4 part which is tricky, or probably just annoying.
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300bpm can be rough to play a walking line under for about five minutes or so. Definitely trying on my right hand, on upright at least. It's rediculously easy for electric. 7/4 is annoying, because I've gotten into the habit of playing on beat 1 every single measure. I had even gotten to where I'd loose count if I didn't (at least I'm better, but frequently when I'm playing something complicated, I'll go back into my habit and I just land on beat one). My teacher doesn't help because when he's comping for me (in lessons, he plays piano, but he's not playing at my recital), he won't accent anything that helps me know where I am, and then he yells at me when I turn the beat around. Honestly, the hardest part was learning to count to seven. I'm getting it recorded, so I'll hopefully be able to post the results later.
300 BPM? Are you joking?
Nope. However, I'm not playing the melody (except a bit of it at the very end), and I'm taking a walking solo (rather than trying to play eighth notes, or something).
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The best way to nail something like that is just to sit with a metronome and count beats at a very low tempo, and then try to play it while counting.
But that is probably so annoying it hurts.
Why are you playing it in 7/4 anyway?
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Oh, don't I know it. I would just be counting and playing. I'd go "1...2...3...4...1-DAMNIT!" I'm playing it in 7/4 because 1) it works really well and 2) I need to learn how to play in "odd" time signatures, especially these days when "odd" times are much less, well, odd.
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For those of you with difficulty soloing in 7/4, take a listen to the sax solo in "Money" by Pink Floyd. It has a lot of good rhythmic examples to play around with.
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Then the song turns into fucking 4/4 for the guitar solo because Gilmour was too fuckin' pussy to write a solo in 7/4!
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Yeah, but the whole 7/4-to-4/4 switch is well-executed, and a lot of musicians have trouble doing that. Props to the band for that.
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Still. PUSSIES.
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I would also like to point out another advantage with learning to solo in odd meters. You get to work on cool new rhythmic ideas. In 4/4, one can get stuck in a rhythmic rut. I know I have been. By doing tunes in a different meter, it forces one to work on different ideas and think about one's rhythmic content. Which helps to some degree to get one out of any ruts one might have been stuck in with 4/4. Learning to solo in 7/4 has helped some, plusI know over the summer I'm definitely working on some polyrhythm exercises that my combo director gave me.
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Yeah, I was going to say that learning to play in odd time sig's could set the basics for polyrhythmic playing. Which is terribly hard to pull off.
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unfortunately kids these days don't know who Deep Purple are. truly a sad sad day :(
Hey I'm only 18 and I know who Deep Purple is, Ritchie Blackmore is my lord and master for all time. Mk II was the greatest band to ever exist, Machine Head, Made in Japan and the 1972 live Copenhagen DVD are some of the most incredible musical pieces of history you will ever find. No guitar player has influenced me as much as Blackmore, I had started to stagnate in my playing until I picked up a copy of Machine Head, I learned from that to use scales all across the neck and that the whammy bar needs some love every once in awhile.
Pretty much any solo by Blackmore is bound to be brilliant, but to specify I'm going to say the guitar solo in Never Before is goddamned incredible. Unfortunately it is utterly outshined by Jon Lords' piano solo at the end, the most awesome keyboardist in the universe.
So, Never Before from Deep Purple, guitar and keyboard
Midnight by Joe Satriani (well anything from him, but I just love good tapping, let's face it: Van Halen was horrible at it)
The shredding at the start of "Why Does it Hurt When I Pee?" from Zappa
The bass solo from "I'm the Hell Outta Here" from Steve Vai (Billy Sheehan plays bass better than most people play guitar)
Comfortably Numb, from Floyd solely on merit of incredible tone
EDIT: Dammit I just can't keep myself from saying it. Page wasn't that good. He was incredibly sloppy and was usually too drunk to figure out what he was doing wrong. Fairly decent tone though. I just don't like people talking about him like he was some god.
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I don't think people praise Page that much for his soloing, rather they praise his riffs. In my opinion riff > solo everytime.
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Thrill, you win for mentioning Zappa. That song is ace. Also, Joe's Garage's "little miny almost-but-not-really-a-solo-Oh look you can play it on a saxophone" thing is pretty charming.
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(Billy Sheehan plays bass better than most people play guitar)
QFT, and to mention that Mr. Big was a rediculously awesome band that far too few people have heard of, aside from that hilariously bad "To Be With You" (for which Paul Gilbert actually had to purchase an acoustic guitar because he didn't own one!). Billy Sheehan and Paul Gilbert having a solo battle is absolutely incredible. Plus Paul Gilbert's guitar solos are fucking incredible. Flawless technique plus amazing taste plus rocking the hell out!
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In my opinion riff > solo everytime.
Second. Example: Steve Vai. Great guitarist, but I fucking HATE his music and I just want to damage his head every time I hear a song like his. They seriously all sound the same, it's always, "Oh, look, here's an impressive tapping solo I'm playing, using a fucking obscure scale or mode! LOL!"
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Yeah, that's a pain, that is. Ah well, we might never no, why dwell on it.
Anyways, if you want a badass guitar line, check out "Verdamp Lang Her" by BAP. The guy's not on an overdrive channel, he's putting an SG through an all-tube amp (either a Marshall 1959SPLX head or a Vox AC30, I can't tell in this case) on the clear channel, but he has it turned WAY THE FUCK UP. Required listening.
It's amazing that another person actually knows BAP, and liking it ... yeah, that's rare. w00t for BAP!
By the way, if you like Niedecken's lyrics, you should check out Wolfgang Niedecken & Komplizen, he's got some pretty good stuff there. And also, in case you don't have the album, I can have a look at my dad's LP copy of Für Usszeschnigge, I think they have most of their equipment somewhere on that cover.
Also:
Drive Like Jehu - Luau
Pure dissonant brilliance.
edit: And because I've seen it live yesterday:
31 Knots - Darling, I
Guitar tapping + bass tapping = awesome. (not technically a solo, the song doesn't have one, but it's still impressive)
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Hawt, so I'm not the only one on earth who has heard of BAP! Thanks, I'll definitely check out Niedecken's other work now that I have a recommendation.
Also, "Jessica" by the Allman Brothers. I guess that doesn't count as a guitar solo, because of the 4 tracks of Gibson Les Paul that Duane has stuck on there. It's still one hot little piece.
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Second. Example: Steve Vai. Great guitarist, but I fucking HATE his music and I just want to damage his head every time I hear a song like his. They seriously all sound the same, it's always, "Oh, look, here's an impressive tapping solo I'm playing, using a fucking obscure scale or mode! LOL!"
But what about his stuff with Zappa? Also, I think a lot of his stuff is actually pretty awesome, though it is rather similar. I think it sounds cool and has plenty of emotion (nobody can tell me that "Tender Surrender" is just him trying to show of his chops).
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Yeah, I've just heard the 2-disc "Greatest Hits" or whatever, and I couldn't get past the first disc. I always just kinda figured the song itself should come before the solo, y'know?
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Well, the way I see it is that a well-constructed solo constitutes a song in itself. I mean, we don't look at concerti and say, "Oh man, I wish there were more of an orchestral introduction of the theme before the soloist came in." I mean, maybe being from a different background (classical) has allowed me not to be trained to expect certain things from songs.
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Plus, like I mentioned in the Forced Listening Thread, guitar soloists are very masterbatury.
As in "YO! I'M PLAYING FAST! I AM TEH AWSOM!!1!". But Steve Vai actually manage to pull off the whole thing without sounding like he's exaggerating the size of his dong.
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Hawt, so I'm not the only one on earth who has heard of BAP! Thanks, I'll definitely check out Niedecken's other work now that I have a recommendation.
Most of my family is from Cologne, so I can't not have heard of them. ;)
Hammering out more random recommendations: I prefer the older BAP stuff, if you're interested, try the following albums: Für Usszeschnigge, Affjetaut, Von drinne noh drusse.
Also, because I'm totally on topic:
The D4 - Exit to the City
That solo is so damn cliché it's fun again.
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But what about his stuff with Zappa? Also, I think a lot of his stuff is actually pretty awesome, though it is rather similar. I think it sounds cool and has plenty of emotion (nobody can tell me that "Tender Surrender" is just him trying to show of his chops).
Zappa treated his musicians like employees so Vai probably had to show more restrain. Anyway, the best song Vai has played in is "Let's Dance" by Bowie.
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Well, that and Zappa was writing it all anyways, so it's not exactly HIS music per say.