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That being the collective name I give to the primarily-Scandinavian metal bands of varying stripes who routinely shoot themselves and/or other people and make jewellery out of each other's bones. What I'd like to know is, what's the difference between Death Metal, Black Metal, and all the other dubious flavours of overbassed songs about killing everyone in the name of/to save them from Satan?
(Yes, I will stop stereotyping now. :))
I'd also like to know why the hell anyone listens to Opeth, but the answer to that is likely to be subjective so don't bother.
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I hated Opeth and all the growly vocals bands for a long time. Everyone I knew was trying to get me to listen to them, but I just didn't see it. Now I love Opeth. I gave all the growly vocals bands I have another listen recently, and they're awesome. I just realize that the vocals are not the melody in this case, rather a rhythmic instrument with but a single pitch. Now, I don't listen to any of the really harsh stuff, so I can't comment on that. I just listen to the most popular and accessible groups of the genre.
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^ I was exactly the same way with Opeth. Initially I only liked the songs from Morningrise which had lots of acoustic bits, especially the last track which is all clean vox. A month later they were my favourite band and I loved every song for years :)
I love Opeth for being able to do acoustic and metal stuff so well, often in the same song.
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Growly vocals are groovy as long as they are done right..for example,Opeth. Of course,Opeth does everything in the whole world right.Opeth is more than just growly vocals. Looks like SOMEBODY is making unsupported claims about music..alert the mob!
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No, I don't think the mob will believe us, because nobody ever makes unsupported claims about music.
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Growly vocals are groovy as long as they are done right..for example,Opeth.
There are loads and loads of growls in metal. Opeth is using the "low-terrifying" type, which is great for their kind of metal, but not for every kind. Death Metal, Black Metal, Brutal, Grindcore: they all have different types of growls. For example - a high pitch Black Metal scream would be wrong for a Death Metal act such as Opeth, and a Grindcore "low-I-sound-like-a-vomiting-pig" growl is definetely wrong for thrashy black metal like Absu.
But, You can allways combine, like Soilent Green that uses Death Metal growls, screams and hardcore shouts.
Opeth's growls are great for Opeth, but not for every metal band ever.
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Growly vocals are groovy as long as they are done right..for example,Opeth.
There are loads and loads of growls in metal. Opeth is using the "low-terrifying" type, which is great for their kind of metal, but not for every kind. Death Metal, Black Metal, Brutal, Grindcore: they all have different types of growls. For example - a high pitch Black Metal scream would be wrong for a Death Metal act such as Opeth, and a Grindcore "low-I-sound-like-a-vomiting-pig" growl is definetely wrong for thrashy black metal like Absu.
I look forward to the 2035 release of a nostalgia compilation entitled Twenty Golden Grindcore Melodies.
But, You can allways combine, like Soilent Green that uses Death Metal growls, screams and hardcore shouts.
Opeth's growls are great for Opeth, but not for every metal band ever.
So, to duck the dialogue on why Opeth are listenable that I asked you not to bother with and get back to my original question of what the difference is between the varying types of Band That Go "Wuurrgggh!", the answer is the tone of the "wuurrgggh!"?
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You know, being really really condescending about the entire subject gets on my nerves slightly.
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This debate is tired but
Agalloch >>>>>>>> Opeth.
And I don't even hate Opeth like some do.
The question is very annoying and unanswerable. The best answer I can think of is:
Death metal riff:
Riff G
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|------------------9---7----------|------------------10---9-----------|Gtr
|-----7---9---10-----------9---10-|-----7---9---10------------9---10~-|I&II
|-0-0---0---0----0---0---0---0----|-0-0---0---0----0----0---0---0-----|
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|-------------------12---10---9------|-------------------10---9-----------|Gtr
|-----9---10---12-----------------10-|-----9---10---12------------9---10~-|I&II
|-8-8---8----8----8----8----8---8----|-8-8---8----8----8----8---8---8-----|
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Black metal Riff:
Riff1:
1st & 3rd 2nd 4th time
A|------------------------|-------|-------|4---5--|
E|-0-7-8-0-5-7-0-3-5-0-2-3|0-3-5--|5-3-2--|2---3--|
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On top of that, death metal uses articulated growls, whereas black metal is normally just screaming as hard as you can, or at least it should be. A good proportion of bands 'cookie monster' their vocals however. Bad description? Probably. Another one: black metal vocals are (should be) cathartic, emotional, painful. Death metal vocals not so. No, that was crap too.
hmn.
A black metal song:
Burzum - Ea, Lord of the Depths (http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2RF14KVSR97CO2YAX0I7AS2J02)
A death metal song:
Bloodbath - Ominous Bloodvomit (http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1VTQ546RF1TY317LSNSTM3095B)
A grindcore song:
Circle of Dead Children - A Family Tree to Hang From (http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28MS7I610EZW11TVWS00YR2XRO)
A few favourite tracks of mine to try and illustrate the differences.
If you really want to know, go and listen to some of the stuff. There are countless differences in tone, imagery, musical complexity, influences, philosophy and so forth. I'm kinda dissapointed I uploaded all these before you were so...I dunno. Condescending. Because you can't understand something doesn't make it beneath you. Ah well. Go read wikipedia or something.
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The differences between these genres are largely atmospherical, so it's almost impossible to explain properly by text. Listen to the songs Khar posted (all of which are awesome by the way), you will be a better person for it and hopefully never feel the need to be annoyingly condescending to metalheads on a forum again.
And Agalloch > Opeth indeed.
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The question is very annoying and unanswerable.
That doesn't bode well. Subgenres blend often, but there has to be a notable distinguishing feature to even consider them subgenres in the first place. Otherwise you're just wanking.
The best answer I can think of is:
Death metal riff:
Black metal Riff:
That would probably have been very illustrative if I read sheet music, which right now I don't. Looks like a lot of effort, though; I appreciate it.
hmn.
A black metal song:
Burzum - Ea, Lord of the Depths (http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2RF14KVSR97CO2YAX0I7AS2J02)
I really hope that song isn't sung in English - I didn't understand a word. Hard to tell, because as you described it the "singer" is really a "screamer" (and he also seems to be about 30 feet from the mic, though that may be my headphones or the relative noise level of the track). Apart from that, it sounds pretty much like thrash. Extreme Judas Priest, if you will.
A death metal song:
Bloodbath - Ominous Bloodvomit (http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1VTQ546RF1TY317LSNSTM3095B)
I used to have a Bolt Thrower album (long since given away to a metaller friend) and this sounds kind of like that did. I still do have a Cathedral track that sounds like this, for that matter. Probably you'll disparage those two acts for not being hardcore enough, but I think I can pick a death metal act out of a lineup now.
(I see what you mean about the "cookie monstering", too; I kept expecting this guy to start singing "Cookies! Cookies! Cookies for Satan!" at any second. :))
A grindcore song:
Circle of Dead Children - A Family Tree to Hang From (http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28MS7I610EZW11TVWS00YR2XRO)
OK, what the fuck? Sorry to be dissing one of your favourites so harshly after you were good enough to take the time, but how can anyone call this "music" and keep a straight face? The other two tracks you uploaded weren't really my thing, but at least they were clearly and discernibly songs performed by people who knew one end of a drumstick from the other. This sounds like someone dropped a live electric wire into a spastic's bathtub and recorded the results.
I'm kinda dissapointed I uploaded all these before you were so...I dunno. Condescending.
Think how I felt when Misereatur began talking about "the wrong kind of growl for black metal". A less open-minded person would have assumed he was taking the mickey. I might have too, had it been April 1st.
Meanwhile, I wasn't being condescending - just not taking the matter too seriously. "20 Golden Grindcore Melodies" (which is not available in the shops, but call our 1-800 hotline now to order your copy for the low, low price of $19.99) is a recurring gag I pull out whenever the idea of Ronco bastardising and homogenising yet another musical genre is apt. It usually gets a laugh even without my acting out the lounge piano version of Napalm Death's "You Suffer".
Because you can't understand something doesn't make it beneath you.
Please learn the difference between "don't" and "can't" and when to apply them correctly.
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The best answer I can think of is:
Death metal riff:
Black metal Riff:
That would probably have been very illustrative if I read sheet music, which right now I don't. Looks like a lot of effort, though; I appreciate it.
One way to think about the differences in these figures is that the black metal riff requires slightly more aggressive guitar playing and the death metal riff allows more notes to sustain, giving a "fuller" sound.
Sounds like someone doesn't like metal...
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I suppose a better term would be "shittily supported" as opposed to unsupported..
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OK, what the fuck? Sorry to be dissing one of your favourites so harshly after you were good enough to take the time, but how can anyone call this "music" and keep a straight face? The other two tracks you uploaded weren't really my thing, but at least they were clearly and discernibly songs performed by people who knew one end of a drumstick from the other. This sounds like someone dropped a live electric wire into a spastic's bathtub and recorded the results.
Not only is it music, it is extremely complex, technical music with complex tempo and time signature shifts.
It's not that metal subgenres do not have complex, distinguishing features, it is rather that these features are hard to describe, especially to someone who doesn't consider a pretty standard (I've even heard them called 'boring and generic' though I rate them higher) grind song as music. This illustrates that I was, indeed, probably correct in using can't.
The Burzum track is indeed in English. It is quite heavily accented though.
Cathedral and Bolt Thrower? Similiar? Both are great bands, but they're quite different...I suppose you must be talking about early Cathedral? I can see the probable confusion, the vocal styles can be similiar because Bolt Thrower have quite thrashy vocals (ie there's a sort of 'normal' edge to them, like with Cathedrals old doom stuff), but the riffing is totally different. A good key is the tempo.
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One way to think about the differences in these figures is that the black metal riff requires slightly more aggressive guitar playing and the death metal riff allows more notes to sustain, giving a "fuller" sound.
Which would make black metal somewhat more jagged, right?
Sounds like someone doesn't like metal...
It's not my first pick, but I don't run screaming from the room when someone puts it on if that's what you mean.
Not only is it music, it is extremely complex, technical music with complex tempo and time signature shifts.
Which is fine over extended pieces. Try cramming it into 60 seconds, though, and you'll wind up with a mess - you can't but lose cohesion when you're switching tempo every two bars.
It's not that metal subgenres do not have complex, distinguishing features, it is rather that these features are hard to describe, especially to someone who doesn't consider a pretty standard (I've even heard them called 'boring and generic' though I rate them higher) grind song as music.
I don't see why; grindcore seems to have very little in common with the others. You could have described it as "death metal at 300bpm" and been within a shout of accurate, though of course you'd still have had to find a way to explain what death metal was.
The Burzum track is indeed in English. It is quite heavily accented though.
Ah, good, it's not just me then.
Cathedral and Bolt Thrower? Similiar? Both are great bands, but they're quite different...I suppose you must be talking about early Cathedral?
I couldn't tell you. What I can tell you is that the Cathedral track is "Skullflower" and the Bolt Thrower album was (IIRC) their debut album - the one based directly off Warhammer 40,000.
I can see the probable confusion, the vocal styles can be similiar because Bolt Thrower have quite thrashy vocals (ie there's a sort of 'normal' edge to them, like with Cathedrals old doom stuff), but the riffing is totally different. A good key is the tempo.
It's been more than ten years since I palmed that album off. I honestly don't recall the tempo.
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Which would make black metal somewhat more jagged, right?
Well, sort of. Black metal is more of an attitude and an idea than a rigid set of musical rules, though many people do indeed regard it as a rigid set of musical rules. The vocals are a somewhat defining characteristic, but there's a lot more to it than that. I mean, you can get away without the vocals if you do another bit right, and so forth...
Black metal may, but is not obliged to, have the following characteristics:
* Fast guitars with tremolo picking
* Lyrics that take the form of Satanic, Pagan, or occult themes which blaspheme Christianity. Bands such as Slayer, Deicide, and Immolation overlap lyrically with black metal somewhat, but are musically defined as death metal (Immolation, Deicide), thrash metal (Slayer)
* Relatively thin guitar sound or relatively thick guitar sound, usually not in the middle.
* Limited production used intentionally as a statement against mainstream music and/or to reflect the mood of the music, to create atmosphere. This 'underproduced' effect is often achieved by cutting out low and high frequencies, leaving just the mid frequency range. Very few of the black metal pioneers still do this, since their original limited production only was due to a minimal budget.
* Fast, aggressive drums, often with blast beats. At other times, the drums can take a slower role usually accompanied by a very dry and empty tone —especially for the effect of the atmosphere of the music.
* Occasional electronic keyboard use. The harpsichord, violin, organ, and choir settings are most common, which gives the music an orchestral feel or a cathedral-like setting. Some bands tend to use keyboards very frequently, whether it be as an instrument or even as the basis of their entire sound. They are generally placed under the symphonic black metal label.
* High-pitched/distorted screeching vocals. Contrary to popular belief, these are not essential as there have been many black metal bands old and new employing different vocal styles.
* Swift percussion.
* Cold, dark, sad, melancholy, or gloomy atmosphere.
An abraded, very low fidelity recording style is common in most black metal. Modern evolution of many of the older 'genre leading' bands have had a vast change in sound, and by many - and most of the times, even the band - are no longer considered black metal. Such examples include Mayhem's career that began mostly in the death/black roots, moved to almost pure black, then towards death again in their later career. Also, Satyricon who started off as black metal but now play a very industrial heavy hybrid of the music. Modern offshoots of this original black metal sound have incorporated atmospheric elements using ambient guitar and keyboard passages such as organ sounds or other miscellaneous instruments.
A distinct (but not intrinsic) feature of the black metal is the use of corpse paint, a special kind of black and white make-up which was used to make the wearer look like a decomposing corpse or plague victim. It should be noted that Immortal referred to their make-up as "war paint", not carrying the same connotation as corpse paint. Another distinct feature of black metal is the use of dark or Satanic monikers pioneered by Venom (the original line up being Cronos, Mantas & Abbadon). Examples of this are: Quorthon (Bathory), Darken (Graveland), Euronymous (Mayhem), Goat, Count Grishnackh (Burzum), Fenriz (Darkthrone), Nergal, Inferno (Behemoth), Zephyrous (Darkthrone), Frost (1349), Abbath (Immortal), Demonaz (Immortal), Horgh (Immortal), Iscariah, Hellhammer (Mayhem), Maniac (Mayhem), Necrobutcher (Mayhem), Blasphemer (Mayhem), Dead (Mayhem), Hoest, Ihsahn (Emperor), Samoth (Emperor), Faust (Emperor), Trym (Emperor), Nattefrost (Carpathian Forest), Nordavind and Tchort (Emperor), Malefic (Xasthur), Wrest (Leviathan) to name a few.
Earlier bands tended to dwell on themes of fantasy, mythology, and folklore in their songs, as well as Satanism, darkness, evil, and so on as many of their direct musical and cultural roots included these topics.
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OK, what the fuck? Sorry to be dissing one of your favourites so harshly after you were good enough to take the time, but how can anyone call this "music" and keep a straight face? This sounds like someone dropped a live electric wire into a spastic's bathtub and recorded the results.
Grindcore is like fine wine...
Wait, I take that back. Grindcore is absolutely nothing like fine wine.
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Khar's observation of methods of playing black metal actually remind me that the same tendency was observed in Tony Iommi's playing. Makes sense, considering Black Sabbath's influence on later bands and all.
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Grindcore is like fine wine...
Wait, I take that back. Grindcore is absolutely nothing like fine wine.
I beg to differ. I don't like wine either. That's a point of comparison right there. :D
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do the following steps in order:
shut the fuck up.
get the fuck out.
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That being the collective name I give to the primarily-Scandinavian metal bands of varying stripes who routinely shoot themselves and/or other people and make jewellery out of each other's bones. What I'd like to know is, what's the difference between Death Metal, Black Metal, and all the other dubious flavours of overbassed songs about killing everyone in the name of/to save them from Satan?
(Yes, I will stop stereotyping now. :))
I'd also like to know why the hell anyone listens to Opeth, but the answer to that is likely to be subjective so don't bother.
You don't actually want to know, you just want to insult and hate. Do us all a favour and shut up.
Oh. shit I guess I got beaten to this a few times. I didn't bother reading the thread.
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The reason I enjoy Opeth is because of their unparalleled ability to alternate between musical extremes with a great degree of grace. They can go from a more rhythmic, textural, "abrasive" sound to the most beautiful melodic passage you have ever heard within the space of a single composition several times and still remain cohesive.
Also, the cathartic nature of the lyrics appeals to me.
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Aside from the vocals I actually quite enjoy that grindcore track. It was mean. Vocals... meh but I can mostly ignore that.
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I'm kinda dissapointed I uploaded all these before you were so...I dunno. Condescending.
Think how I felt when Misereatur began talking about "the wrong kind of growl for black metal". A less open-minded person would have assumed he was taking the mickey. I might have too, had it been April 1st.
Meanwhile, I wasn't being condescending - just not taking the matter too seriously. "20 Golden Grindcore Melodies" (which is not available in the shops, but call our 1-800 hotline now to order your copy for the low, low price of $19.99) is a recurring gag I pull out whenever the idea of Ronco bastardising and homogenising yet another musical genre is apt. It usually gets a laugh even without my acting out the lounge piano version of Napalm Death's "You Suffer".
Because you can't understand something doesn't make it beneath you.
Please learn the difference between "don't" and "can't" and when to apply them correctly.
My post about "the right growls fot the right metal" was for hey_there_fatty mostly. Because he said that Opeth had the best growls ever, and I wanted to point out that Opeth's growls are great for Opeth, but not for Mayhem for example.
You are condescending.
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You are condescending.
How can I be condescending when I don't consider you inferior and I'm not patronising you?
Something I've said has clearly been misinterpreted along the way, but for the last goddamn time: I am not being condescending.
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That was pretty condescending dude...
Alright sorry, I'll stop throwing gasoline on the fire. I'm currently listening to Umlaut, Discharge and Bones Brigade. Fuck, I never knew crust was actually good.
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Jedit,I actually agree with much of what you've said with regards to not understanding the draw of metal. It just sounds like awful noise to me.
But seriously dude, you're being a dick. Acting superior on the internet makes you a dick.
Please don't be a dick.
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Two very simple things I tell about black metal and death metal and the difference is overrall pitch emphasis and how the music flows. Death metal is like you said, very bass heavy, even the vocals are generally fairly low pitched. Black metal on the other hand has higher pitched guitars and often hardly any discernable bass, and of course the vocals tend towards shrieking. As far as flow, death metal guitars use a lot of palm muting, so its all a bit more jagged and rhythmic, while black metal is almost exclusively tremolo picking, which means more sustained flowing guitar riffs.
Of course there is ideology as well, but I think at this point ideology is largely irrelevant to discussion's of metal, as all of the subgenres have a wide range of ideology.
On your question of why people listen to Opeth, I'd say the wide range of means of musical expression by artists who are obviously fine musicians. I'm a music major who sings in a fairly elite college choir, and I appreciate musicianship in vastly different forms. I do think Opeth is a bit overrated, like Khar pointed out, there are other good bands doing at least somewhat similar things.
P.S. No offense Khar, while Burzum is a classic of the bm scene, I'm not sure its the best way to introduce someone to the differences between subgenres.
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Two very simple things I tell about black metal and death metal and the difference is overrall pitch emphasis and how the music flows. Death metal is like you said, very bass heavy, even the vocals are generally fairly low pitched. Black metal on the other hand has higher pitched guitars and often hardly any discernable bass, and of course the vocals tend towards shrieking.
Which is helpful, as previously I'd been conflating black metal and death metal when in fact most if not all of what I'd been hearing was death metal and black metal was entirely separate.
Of course there is ideology as well, but I think at this point ideology is largely irrelevant to discussion's of metal, as all of the subgenres have a wide range of ideology.
Using ideology to determine musical genre has led to Creed being called the biggest and best band in their genre. Worse yet, this is broadly accurate. So let's paraphrase Bill Hicks's comments on how most great rock musicians aren't the kind of people you take home for tea and leave the dross to face the full field of competition:
"Borondir, that man scares me, he's got eight-inch spikes on his armbands and a codpiece made from his dead mother's skull!"
"SHUT UP, JEDIT, AND LISTEN TO HIM PLAY!!!"
On your question of why people listen to Opeth, I'd say the wide range of means of musical expression by artists who are obviously fine musicians.
I didn't really want or need that question answering. It's a matter of taste, plain and simple. Personally I think they're the auditory equivalent of a mugging; others will of course disagree (or they like being mugged), as is their right.
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Nah, you're right there, Opeth are bad.
And I don't get the difference either.
However, I would like to question the need for labelling anyway. Just like bands. It's much easier.
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P.S. No offense Khar, while Burzum is a classic of the bm scene, I'm not sure its the best way to introduce someone to the differences between subgenres.
Yeah, but I'm not sure what IS. Immortal (possibly 'Grim and Frostbitten Kingdoms' was the only other serious option I was considering, but I thought Burzum made a nice, definite contrast with the other stuff, whereas Immortal might have been harder to discern apart.
Also, ironically* Jed, Borondir is probably the least likely person I can think of who knows his metal and would be wearing a skull codpiece.
People who question the need for labelling can go away and play with themselves. It's an integral part of music criticism, if nothing else.
*well, not really, but hey.
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-death metal: slower drums usually super growly vocals
-black metal: blast beats (inhumanly fast drums) and fast high screamy vocals
those are just my generalizations and observations. theres more obviously, but this just a quick explanation.
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Also, ironically* Jed, Borondir is probably the least likely person I can think of who knows his metal and would be wearing a skull codpiece.
Not Borondir, the artist. If you haven't heard the original Hicks, here's the quote:
I want my children to listen to people who fucking rocked. I don't care if they died in puddles of their own vomit. I want someone who plays from his fucking heart. "Mommy, mommy, the man that Bill told me to listen to has a blood bubble on his nose!" Shut up and listen to him play!
The New Kids [on the Block]! "Hi we're the New Kids and we're so good and clean-cut..." (performs mock fellatio on the mike) "We're so clean cut!" Seig Heil! Heil! Heil! A good clean country... Heil! Heil! Heil! (more mock fellatio)
Fuck that! I want my rock stars dead! I want them to fucking play with one hand and put a gun in their other fucking hand and go "I hope you enjoy the show!" (imitates shooting himself in the head) Yes! Yes! Play from your fucking heart!
...I am available for children's parties by the way...
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I didn't really want or need that question answering. It's a matter of taste, plain and simple. Personally I think they're the auditory equivalent of a mugging; others will of course disagree (or they like being mugged), as is their right.
Oh man, if you think Opeth sound like getting mugged, then I ask you not to listen to the more brutal stuff. It might actually damage you!
Nah, you're right there, Opeth are bad.
Now, you may dislike Opeth, but they are clearly much more competent musicians than a good number of bands that are far more successful than they. I'm not saying they're the best out there, so don't interpret what I'm saying as that and reply saying, "But [band x] is far better than they are, and [band x] is more popular, too!" Sometimes good musicians get popular, for no apparent reason. I think the record company sometimes fucks up and signs someone who's actually good.
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I like Opeth, not one of my favorites, but they don't cause me to weep in pain. Their lack of a good solid flow in songs kind of annoys me, however...I do enjoy it when my songs are a coherent, flowing whole...but it isn't o bad. I really dislike Opeth's growls.
And it's not that I dislike that style, either. Amon Amarth, Demonoid, and Sirenia all use growls and do a magnificent job with them...it just feels like Opeth growl has one possibly vocal pitch and doesn't do emotion very well, while the others...the growling is an actual voice as opposed to wuuuuuuurgh.
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Well, it's better than a lot of his singing. Sometimes the singing sounds passable, but most of the time, it's really poor. In fact, it's probably about on the level of the singing in "indie" music. It sounds similarly unsupported and tonally deficient, while staying somewhere in the vacinity of the intended pitch.
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I for one believe that Mikael Akerfelt has a HELL of a rough and clean voice! But that is just me. Is it necessary to actually quote the ENTIRE post that somebody JUST posted? Come on,fellows. Let us be civilized.
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Sometimes it sounds amazing. On Blackwater Park I'd actually place the sounding great at more than not, so I take back the statement that said he sounded bad most of the time. There are times where his clean vocals just sound horrible. Also, I remember somebody sending me something from their softer (maybe all acoustic?) album with him doing only clean vocals (back when I couldn't stand the rough vocals), and I remember it sounding really poor. I might still have it on my computer.
Edit: I don't.
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I actually like his clean vocie (ghost reveries and blackwater) far better than his roar. I might actually listen to the albums more if it was all clean.
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Just listen to the beginning of "Dirge for November." That's what I'm talking about when it sounds bad. Sure, he's singing softly, but any singers can probably back me up that it's still important to support your voice so that it doesn't sound like ass. Hell, it's more important to focus on it when you're singing soft, because when singing loud, it support just comes easier.
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I want my children to listen to people who fucking rocked. I don't care if they died in puddles of their own vomit. I want someone who plays from his fucking heart. "Mommy, mommy, the man that Bill told me to listen to has a blood bubble on his nose!" Shut up and listen to him play!
The New Kids [on the Block]! "Hi we're the New Kids and we're so good and clean-cut..." (performs mock fellatio on the mike) "We're so clean cut!" Seig Heil! Heil! Heil! A good clean country... Heil! Heil! Heil! (more mock fellatio)
Fuck that! I want my rock stars dead! I want them to fucking play with one hand and put a gun in their other fucking hand and go "I hope you enjoy the show!" (imitates shooting himself in the head) Yes! Yes! Play from your fucking heart!
...I am available for children's parties by the way...
Of course I've heard Hicks. That's a pretty loose quote.
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Of course I've heard Hicks. That's a pretty loose quote.
Wasn't quoting, I was paraphrasing. And I had to add the ref to myself for clarity.
Besides, any excuse to quote Bill Hicks.
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I totally agree on the voice thing. Too many metal and indie singers have no idea how to properly project. They think singing breathily is how to sing quietly, which just doesn't work. Also I've noticed that falsettists, like in power metal, usually project very well, but when metal singers descend into the lower part of the voice it almost always is unsupported and therefore barely in tune.
I think Akerfeldt has improved on his clean vocals, personally, though sometimes they are still a bit weak.
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They think singing breathily is how to sing quietly, which just doesn't work.
Unless, of course, they want to sound breathy.
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Yeah, but it just ends up sounding unsupported and out-of-tune. To sound breathy (not sing breathily) requires something different.
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No one here has ever listned to Dornenreich, right?
This (http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=15HJOK9DYXDEJ2SNT8W1V3M3FO) is what a breathy vocalist should sound like.
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Sam Beam is the god at singing softly. Every song he has written contains soft,clean vocals,and it always sounds amazing. By the way,Damnation and Still Life are probably the best Opeth albums for hearing Mike sing clean.
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I'm just not a metal person.
Never have been. Screamo, eh. Pop rock, yes. Metal, no.
I was exposed to korn at an early age. I blame my distaste for metal on that.
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Well, so was I, but then I actually heard metal, and said "Wait, so Korn wasn't metal, and metal doesn't suck massive +3 donkey dongs of faggotry?"
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Labeling, genre debate, etc. have little to no bearing on the music itself. They exist solely for simplifying the process of TALKING about music.
Personally, I probably wouldn't like metal if I weren't a guitarist (or drummer, probably). It's fun to play, challenging, and inventive. Much as I love the indie rock, most of it honestly isn't that tough to play, guitar-wise (notable exceptions, and this would probably make a whole other thread because there are TONS of good guitarists in indie rock today: The Joggers, Minus the Bear, Deerhoof, Don FUCKING Caballero).
The thing I like most about metal (particularly death and progressive metal bands like Opeth) is how unhip it is. It's inherently goofy and extreme and over the top, which are qualities I honestly enjoy in music. Listening to some dude shred his vocal cords while some blazing diminished-scale solo plays over blastbeats? Completely ridiculous. Also completely awesome.
I am, however, still completely pissed at Opeth for the damn guitar solo in Blackwater Park. It's the only part of that song I can't play and it is hard as HELL.[/i]
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Also, calling Korn "metal" is like calling a retarded mule a thoroughbred.
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Jeph, what are your favorite metal bands? Obviously you've talked about Opeth a lot, and I recall you mentioning In Flames once or twice.
And are you open to suggestion in these areas, or does that violate some hipster code?
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I like most Opeth (I thought Damnation and Deliverance both sucked, Ghost Reveries is pretty good but not as good as Blackwater Park or My Arms Your Hearse), and earlier In Flames records (Colony is my favorite).
I also really, really like stoner/art-metal bands like Isis, Yob, and Pelican (although Pelican are really just heavy post-rock a la Mogwai these days).
Also, Mastodon are probably the best "traditional" American metal band around right now. If you dig Opeth odds are you'll like Mastodon too, particularly their newest record Leviathan. They have a similar affinity for really brutal, speedy metal passages interspersed with crazy-weird chord voicings, although Mastodon take it in more of a blues-influenced direction than Opeth's more straight prog approach. Dudes are KILLER guitarists.
High On Fire rock pretty hard, and if we're going to segue into doom/stoner rock that new Earth record HEX is amazing (but not really metal, imagine if Godspeed You! Black Emperor did the soundtrack for a western movie).
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Damnation and Deliverance bothered me because I felt like they were just a giant gimmick. Whoa, here's a really heavy one, and now this one is really acoustic and shit MAN WE LIKE YOUR MONEY.
Post-metal isn't really my area of expertise, though Neurosis is a lot like the bands you listed. I'd put Clayman as my favorite IF album, but that's a matter of personal taste. If you're into In Flames, you should check out Carcass if you haven't already.
Are you familiar with Nevermore? Jeff Loomis is totally one of my favorite guitarists currently making metal. I wouldn't call them death or even really 'prog' in the traditional sense, more like they cram about as many riffs as they can into a 5 minute song. But their style is really different and I've been getting steadily more into them in the past few weeks. Dead Heart in a Dead World is quickly becoming one my favorite metal albums ever.
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Jeph..I'm wondering..do you not enjoy Opeth's mild,softer stuff? If you do,you should totally check out the Blackwater Park Deluxe..it contains two amazing songs "Patterns In The Ivy 2" and "Still Day Beneath The Sun" that are two of the band's best. Of course,the album is quite difficult to find..so you might want to try the find the songs on whatever downloading program you use. This post will be very useless if my question's answer is "No."
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Everyone in this thread should definitely go buy a copy of Bathory's Blood on Ice. Because that right there is a heaping dose of FUCK YEAH
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Personally, I probably wouldn't like metal if I weren't a guitarist (or drummer, probably). It's fun to play, challenging, and inventive.
Every once in a while there's a bass part that doesn't blow all kinds of ass. Though, it is quite fun providing that punchy low-end that grabs your balls and says, "Hey, motherfucker. I felt you weren't quite rocking up to your full potential. Let's fix that shit....wait for it.........NOW!" Plus you can just sit there with one foot on the drum riser and headbang with the drummer.
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Steve DiGiorgio is an awesome metal bass player. Aside from him, Myung, Harris and the guy from Gordian Knot (if you consider that metal), nobody really comes to mind.
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Sean Malone is from Gordian Knot. Also, your good bass parts are few and far between, even with those players. They usually just follow the guitar.
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progressive metal bands
While I'm 100% certain that prog-metal means something entirely different, I'm now left with the image of death metal bands covering early Genesis and ELO [1]. I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you for that. I suspect I shall take the middle ground, and rip your face off with my teeth.
[1] Though anyone who remembers The Return of Giant Hogweed might not think it's so big a leap.
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A.
I like most Opeth (I thought Damnation and Deliverance both sucked, Ghost Reveries is pretty good but not as good as Blackwater Park or My Arms Your Hearse)
Damnation and Deliverance were recorded both at the same time with prodoction from Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree fame. Opeth and Steven felt that the quiter songs will not fit in Deliverance, and decided to split the recorded songs into two albums: Deliverance, which is a totall death metal album, and Damnation, a prog' rock album.
Personally, I love them both, but that's just my opinion.
Ghost Reveries just dissapointed me. I have a copy of it because I'm a very big fan and I have all of their albums (and I'm going to see them live in 5 days!!). But I listened to it only twice.
B.
if we're going to segue into doom/stoner rock that new Earth record HEX is amazing (but not really metal, imagine if Godspeed You! Black Emperor did the soundtrack for a western movie).
Definitelly, the new Earth album is amazing.
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Everyone in this thread should definitely go buy a copy of Bathory's Blood on Ice. Because that right there is a heaping dose of FUCK YEAH
Please pay attention during the opening of 'The Sword' in case you accidentally headbang through a wall.
For anyone wanting awesome prog metal, I hope everyone has totally checked out Ayreon - The Human Equation and Star One - Space Metal, both brainchildren of the masterful Arjen Lucassen. The Human Equation is like decent Genesis meets Dream Theater with a ton of great guest vocalists (including Akerfeldt and Devin Townsend). Just download the track 'Day Sixteen: Loser'. Rock and fucking roll. Space Metal, on the other hand, is like if Lemmy had never left Hawkwind and had just kept taking more and more speed. This impression is helped by one of the tracks on the bonus disc, which is a Hawkwind Medley with Dave Brock himself on vocals, which is so much fun it's probably banned in Utah.
As for anyone wanting to get into doom/stoner, there is only one word I need to utter:
DOPETHRONE
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While I'm 100% certain that prog-metal means something entirely different, I'm now left with the image of death metal bands covering early Genesis and ELO [1]. I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you for that. I suspect I shall take the middle ground, and rip your face off with my teeth.
[1] Though anyone who remembers The Return of Giant Hogweed might not think it's so big a leap.
Actually, that's not too far off. Imagine all the elements that differentiate prog rock from "normal" rock. Now apply all those elements to metal.
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Sadly you're right when you say there's not much good bass material in metal. Steve Harris of the almighty Maiden has some pretty sweet lines though, and of course the person you could always throw out for this, Cliff Burton (RIP). But even they often ended up just following the guitars.
I also don't rate Deliverance and Damnation as my favorite Opeth albums, I think recording the two different albums might have been a mistake. Deliverance is anything but pure death metal.
Bringing the progressive and doom threads together, what about Cult of Luna? I've only heard two songs, but I've been very impressed. Any thoughts?
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Cult Of luna are absolutly brilliant. A kind of sludge/doom metal in the vein of Isis, Pelican and Jesu. Their first two albums are great, though their second album is more of a quiter sludge/stoner rock then metal.
Plus, they're fucking Sweedish.
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As for anyone wanting to get into doom/stoner, there is only one word I need to utter:
DOPETHRONE
QUintessential Stoner album, although I think "When the Kite String Pops" comes pretty close.
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I also don't rate Deliverance and Damnation as my favorite Opeth albums, I think recording the two different albums might have been a mistake. Deliverance is anything but pure death metal.
I do remember once, in conversation, being told that Damnation and Deliverance were released as they were owing to record company pressure, though I can't for the life of me recall what they were originally gonna do with them.
"When the Kite String Pops" and "Paegan Terrorism Tactics" (I still can't decide which is the superior record. For a time, I had come down on the side of PTT, but I'm free on the issue again now) are simply quintessential. Period.
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This thread is reminding me that I need more doom badly. And Earth records, lots of Earth records. Although am I the only person that likes Earth but finds SunnO))) utterly tedious? Admittedly I don't have a huge knowledge of either band's material but still, given SunnO)))'s blatant love of Earth I keep thinking I should find them at least passable.
I don't see why; grindcore seems to have very little in common with the others. You could have described it as "death metal at 300bpm" and been within a shout of accurate, though of course you'd still have had to find a way to explain what death metal was.
One reason grind is somewhat different to the other examples is because it isn't metal. It tends to get lumped in with metal since its fanbase is obviously pretty similar (it's all brutal guitar music after all), but as the 'core suffix indicates it's actually a variety of hardcore. So some grind does pull a lot of stuff from death metal, but other kinds can sound like hyperspeed hardcore or even math rock.
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Or jazz, or even oi. It's quite an open tangle of genres.
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Also, calling Korn "metal" is like calling a retarded mule a thoroughbred.
They're awful.
But I live around a bunch of hicks who either listen to country or classic rock, and those who like music other than that tend to categorize it wrong.
I've heard hilary duff referred to as hard core and emo around here once.
So, getting back to the point, the 'metal' that i've heard around here is absolute shit, and I can't bring myself to listen to anything 'real' metal, I suppose.
Besides, I'm really not a metal person. At all. I'm convinced I wouldn't like it. My friends say I only listen to pussy rock.
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Or jazz, or even oi. It's quite an open tangle of genres.
Fusion! Fusion is jazz mixed with...something else. Anything else! Sure, it started out as rock, but now it's pretty much whatever you want to mix it with. The Head Hunters were jazz and funk. Well, that's good enough a fit to fusion! Grind and jazz? FUSION!
Edit: Okay, so I'm really freaking tired. Hopefully this post doesn't suck.
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if ephel duath start making grind records i would skullfuck dead babies out of pure grindy esctasy.
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Ephel Duath rock like crazy, AND their bassist is a midget. You can't argue with that folks.
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Their bassist is a midget? I never knew, and am now even more gutted that I missed them play. And them doing grind... yep, that would be a bit special. Grind makes everything better, particularly emo.
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Man, I would KILL to see Ephel Duath.
Also, has anyone heard any of John Zorn's grindcore stuff? It's pretty fucking awesome. Avant Jazz Grindcore, FTW
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He certainly was at the time of the Painters Palette. Think he's left the band now though. If you look carefully at the Painters Palette photosessions its quite obvious which one he is. They use trick camera angles to gloss over it.
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Space Metal, on the other hand, is like if Lemmy had never left Hawkwind and had just kept taking more and more speed.
that would be awesome.
one of the best gigs i can remember was the hawkwind anniversary show at the brixton academy back in 2000 when they brought out all the old boys like Lemmy and shook the place to the ground until about 3am !
yes they ruined a couple of numbers by letting sam fox sing them (master of the universe & silver machine), but they're hawkwind so they can get away with pretty much damn near anything. hell, they even let matthew wright (from that channel 5 morning phone in show) sing on an album and it still rocked.
As for anyone wanting to get into doom/stoner, there is only one word I need to utter:
DOPETHRONE
kyuss or sleep would be easier gateway bands i'd say ...
actually, everyone needs to listen to kyuss anyway they were one of the best bands ever in my humble opinion.
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Dopethrone is fucking sick, Electric Wizard is pretty good to get into too.
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Also, Mastodon are probably the best "traditional" American metal band around right now.
You sir, have obviously never been introduced to the joys of The Sword (http://swordofdoom.com).
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Opeth's growls are great for Opeth, but not for every metal band ever.
Save for Bloodbath, which Mikael Åkerfeldt did vocals for. Though they did sound a little more... "evil?"
And Misereatur, I believe it was Jonas from Katatonia that suggested they do two seperate albums, because Mikael had an abundance of clean and acoustic riffs and didn't know what to do with them. I think that's explained on their Lamentations DVD.
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Also, Mastodon are probably the best "traditional" American metal band around right now.
You sir, have obviously never been introduced to the joys of The Sword (http://swordofdoom.com).
or lamb of god.
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Opeth's growls are great for Opeth, but not for every metal band ever.
Save for Bloodbath, which Mikael Åkerfeldt did vocals for. Though they did sound a little more... "evil?"
And Misereatur, I believe it was Jonas from Katatonia that suggested they do two seperate albums, because Mikael had an abundance of clean and acoustic riffs and didn't know what to do with them. I think that's explained on their Lamentations DVD.
Bloodbath has a clear death metal vocals, that Mikal is definitelly capble of (having seen him live (fucking 24 hours ago) I can say that he is probably capble of any type of growls or vocals).
What I ment to say was that Opeth has their own vocals and sound.
I thought that Opeth and Steven decided to split Delivarence into 2 albums. Good piece of information, tnx. BTW, Have you heard Mikal's album with Katatonia, Brave Murder Day? Absolutly brilliant. My second favorite Katatonia album (after Dance Of December Souls, their first album).
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Bloodbath has a clear death metal vocals, that Mikal is definitelly capble of (having seen him live (fucking 24 hours ago) I can say that he is probably capble of any type of growls or vocals).
What I ment to say was that Opeth has their own vocals and sound.
I thought that Opeth and Steven decided to split Delivarence into 2 albums. Good piece of information, tnx. BTW, Have you heard Mikal's album with Katatonia, Brave Murder Day? Absolutly brilliant. My second favorite Katatonia album (after Dance Of December Souls, their first album).
Opeth live is a pretty great experience :) (assuming one's into them)
Unfortunately I haven't heard Brave Murder Day. I've hear many good things about it though. The only Katatonia album I have is Discouraged Ones, and I don't listen to it much. Maybe I'll drag it out later and listen to it, and try to get my hands on Brave Murder Day.
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or lamb of god.
Hahaha. Beyond inhabiting the impossibly large and general genre of metal, Lamb of God has very little in common with "old school" bands like The Sword or Mastodon. Lamb of God is just poor, boring metalcore.
Hardcore can very occasionally be good, but this recent trend towards mixing it with metal almost always turns out poorly. Shadows Fall and As I Lay Dying have good songs occasionally, but most of the bands, including Lamb of God, are unoriginal and bland.
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Mixing hardcore with metal works very well, as long as you use the right kind of hardcore. See Stormtroopers of Death and Municipal Waste for further information.
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I don't pretend to know anything about either hardcore itself or crossover like SOD, so yeah listen to Khar here.
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or lamb of god.
Hahaha. Beyond inhabiting the impossibly large and general genre of metal, Lamb of God has very little in common with "old school" bands like The Sword or Mastodon. Lamb of God is just poor, boring metalcore.
Yeah, Lamb of God are pretty much fucking shit.
Hardcore+Metal can be done really well. Most times, it is not.
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Yeah, Lamb of God are pretty much fucking shit.
Hardcore+Metal can be done really well. Most times, it is not.
For reference to the previous statement, see every single metalcore band save for Between the Buried and Me.
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Yeah, I actually like Between the Buried and Me. Pretty much all of metalcore is horrible. Horribles. Horrendous. Whoreible. Oh jeez.
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Unfortunately I haven't heard Brave Murder Day. I've hear many good things about it though.
You should totally buy it. Brilliant death/doom metal.
Hardcore+Metal can be done really well.
BIOHAZARD!!
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Hardcore+Metal can be done really well.
early corrosion of conformity, yes ?
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Everyone in this thread should definitely go buy a copy of Bathory's Blood on Ice. Because that right there is a heaping dose of FUCK YEAH
2nd'd 3rd'd and 4th'd.
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Hardcore+Metal can be done really well.
Why the hell has nobody mentioned Suicidal Tendencies yet?
I demand an explanation!
Or hookers!
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I really don't listen to as much Suicidal Tendencies as I should, although I do have their self titled. It's not bad. Not very metal at that point, although I assume they go the route of Bad Brains and slowly produce more elements of cheese metal in it?
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For Suicidal Tendencies, best to just ignore most of their post 1990 work and start paying attention to Infectious Grooves from that point, since it's where Robert Trujillo and Mike Muir seemed to be pouring all their creative energies at the time.
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Unfortunately my knowledge of Hardcore+metal doesn't extend to the first wave of real crossover bands, I really only know about the crappy trend now, and that only because the metal media is all over the stupid metalcore bands.
It's not the fucking "New Wave of American Heavy Metal"
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For Suicidal Tendencies, best to just ignore most of their post 1990 work and start paying attention to Infectious Grooves from that point, since it's where Robert Trujillo and Mike Muir seemed to be pouring all their creative energies at the time.
It's really too bad that Infectious Grooves sucks. Well, I haven't listened to them in a while, but I remember it being really sub-par.
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Everyone in this thread should definitely go buy a copy of Bathory's Blood on Ice.
This is my favourite Ice Hockey Metal album.*
* I'm only joking.
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IT'S FUNNY CAUSE IN HOCKEY PEOPLE BLEED
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TWO MINUTES FOR ROCKING
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I know it's unlikely, but has anyone got any rocking folky blacky Pagan/Tolkien metal suggestions? I'm looking for stuff along the lines of Wyrd, Orkrist, Summoning, Waylander, Nazgul, Forefather, Windir, old Ulver etc. etc., but not those. Get what I'm driving at? The musical mood I'm looking for is riding through a forest in winter on a big horse with a pack of wolves under your mastery following you. And fiddles, if at all possible.
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I know it's unlikely, but has anyone got any rocking folky blacky Pagan/Tolkien metal suggestions? I'm looking for stuff along the lines of Wyrd, Orkrist, Summoning, Waylander, Nazgul, Forefather, Windir, old Ulver etc. etc., but not those. Get what I'm driving at? The musical mood I'm looking for is riding through a forest in winter on a big horse with a pack of wolves under your mastery following you. And fiddles, if at all possible.
Moonsorrow maybe? Stay away from Hin Onde, if you possibly can.
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oh man, moonsorrow is the goddamn shit.
Svartsyn maybe? yeah, svartsyn.
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I know Moonsorrow already. I'll try Svartsyn.
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I'm sure you know them already Khar, but Otyg is pretty friggin sweet folk metal. They've got fiddles, but they aren't very blackened.
They also have Vintersorg, which makes them incredibly cool!
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Khar better goddamn know about otyg. I only blathered on about them all the fucking time back in the day.
actually svartsyn isn't what you're looking for, after all. I totally misread your sentence, somehow.
it never ceases to amuse me how many viking metal bands from mexico there are.
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on the topic of opeth, no, not a big fan, but not a critic either. yes, they are amazing musicians, i do mean that, but if you listen to an album from start to end (damnation, ghost reveries) it is mighty repetitive in my opinion.
in flames are perhaps my favourite metal band. colony is a good album, but my tastes are spread across all their albums (really old and even some from Come Clarity....though not many). what are the opinions on Soundtrack to Your Escape? i've heard some amazingly polarized arguments on that album and i was wondering what the opinions here were.
death metal is good stuff (especially of a melodic variety), highly recommend, but not so much the black metal.
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Yeah, Lamb of God are pretty much fucking shit.
Hardcore+Metal can be done really well. Most times, it is not.
For reference to the previous statement, see every single metalcore band save for Between the Buried and Me.
Although a lot of it is woeful I'm going to have to take issue with you on:
Converge
D-Rail
Thirty Seconds Until Armageddon (best chug ever)
The Plague Mass
Fall Silent
Drowningman
Stand
Walls of Jericho
Dragbody
And probably a few others. In fact, now that I think about a hefty proportion of the good hardcore of the past 10 years has had a serious metal influence even if it wasn't metalcore. Just look at all the good it did for emo!
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I know it's unlikely, but has anyone got any rocking folky blacky Pagan/Tolkien metal suggestions? I'm looking for stuff along the lines of Wyrd, Orkrist, Summoning, Waylander, Nazgul, Forefather, Windir, old Ulver etc. etc., but not those. Get what I'm driving at? The musical mood I'm looking for is riding through a forest in winter on a big horse with a pack of wolves under your mastery following you. And fiddles, if at all possible.
It's hard to tell what you already have/love, but two bands I havent seen you mention are Alkonost (russia's metal version of agalloch) and Of the Wand and the Moon.
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I'm a big Neo-Folk fan, so Of The Wand and the Moon are pretty well represented in my collection, but I Ain't heard of Alkonost. From what I've heard of Russian folk-metal vis-a-vis Butterfly Temple, might be pretty good.
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Out of curiosity, could anyone reccomend me some death metal bands that sound similar to Demonoid? Amon Amarth doesn't have the same replayability that Demonoid does for some reason I have yet to determine.
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Some bands you could look into for Death Metal are Eventide, Sonic Syndicate, and Agony.
For the black metal question above, granted that I'm not all that familiar with any of those mentioned, but you could look into Equilibrium and Eternal Tears of Sorrow.
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Dude, ETOS are MDM. Which Equilibrium do you mean?
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If we're talking about the same Equilibrium(german group, first album Turis Fratyr), then that's Viking Metal, not death metal. Same with Amon Amarth.
I don't know this demonoid band, but if it's anything like Amon Amarth, then you'd probably dig Ensiferum and it's sister band Wintersun.
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Demonoid is Therion's death-metal side-project. Thing is, I can't remember the fuck what they sound like. Seeing as what they are however, I suspect Bloodbath would be a good recommendation.
Fuck, Bloodbath is ALWAYS a good reccomendation.
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Dude, ETOS are MDM. Which Equilibrium do you mean?
Wait, what? Ok, guess I screwed up a little.
If we're talking about the same Equilibrium(german group, first album Turis Fratyr), then that's Viking Metal, not death metal. Same with Amon Amarth.
Yes, we're talking about the same Equilibrium, and I was talking about them in relation to the folk metal thing that Khar asked.
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What kind of metal would you consider Necrophagist? I've listened to them a bit and I am seeing them play with my friend's band on May 14th but I don't really know much about them. From what I've heard they sound a bit different than some metal I've heard (examples: Decapitated, Cryptopsy, and the band playing with them Job For A Cowboy)
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Necrophagist are really really tech death, and pretty dope all around. I take it your friends were local openners on their tour? Decapitated are pretty generic death, but nonetheless have two very awesome guitarists, Cryptopsy are pretty rad, and JFAC are new on the scene but I think they kick some major ass.
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Yeah my friends are Andrew and Ravi from JFAC (the guitarists). They're playing with Necrophagist and a buuuunch of other bands in California for that metal fest on May 13th and then coming to Phoenix to play with Necrophagist and Cattle Decapitation and a few other bands on the 14th, so that will be fun.
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oh rad. JFAC are huge amongst kids around here (vancouver) so that's pretty cool man.
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Yeah, they're a neat group of dudes. It's kind of a shame though because whenever they are on tour with other bands usually they'll go out to California or other states around us (Utah, Colorado, etc etc) and then they'll end in Phoenix and everyone will go just to see them and then when their set is over like 90% of the people at the venue will leave. Not a shame for JFAC but a shame for any band that plays after them, haha.
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I know it's unlikely, but has anyone got any rocking folky blacky Pagan/Tolkien metal suggestions? I'm looking for stuff along the lines of Wyrd, Orkrist, Summoning, Waylander, Nazgul, Forefather, Windir, old Ulver etc. etc., but not those. Get what I'm driving at? The musical mood I'm looking for is riding through a forest in winter on a big horse with a pack of wolves under your mastery following you. And fiddles, if at all possible.
ABSU!
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Dude, what do you take me for :p
JFAC are pretty good actually, but the name is fucking dumb. When my mate sent me a track, I thought it was gonna be goddamn emo/hipster shit again.
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I just think that everybody needs to know that Absu kicks major amounts of ass in Pagan Black Metal, or Black Metal In general. I even have their Highland Tyrant Attack shirt and its awsome. They're like the american Immortal or old Satyricon.
I had a feeling that you know them because you are like TEH METAUL GODZORZ.
JFAC. The name sounds like they got high watching an old cowboy movie, and then listened to some Dying Fetus. I only heard one song, but it did sound good enough for me to try and get some of their stuff.
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It's true, ABSU kicks a frightening amount of ass coming from texas and all.
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JFAC. The name sounds like they got high watching an old cowboy movie, and then listened to some Dying Fetus. I only heard one song, but it did sound good enough for me to try and get some of their stuff.
It was suppose to be a joke name originally but kind of stuck, at least that's what I've heard.
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Khav, have you heard Turisas? Yet another silly viking metal outfit from Finland. I haven't heard their music due to general lack of interest, but those in the know say that they're somewhat decent.
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They released anything since Battle Metal? I find them a tad on the cheesy side, but sometimes I'm in the mood for that.
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Their guitarist was in an auto accident. He is thankfully alive, but he was unconcious for a while and is now in rehabilitation.
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sry for the bump, but here's a suggestion for Khar!
Asmegin (http://www.asmegin.com/)
Avoid the first album. How they went from being bad/mediocre to as good as they are is beyond me.