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Title: What's your favourite Speed Metal band?
Post by: NosLycn on 02 Apr 2006, 00:27: If Jeph likes speed metal, it should be good enough for anyone.

What's your favourite speed metal band*?

Mine is Stratovarius.

*This question is not posed specifically to anyone.
Title: What's your favourite Speed Metal band?
Post by: Storm Rider on 02 Apr 2006, 01:04: Hmmmm, I'm not sure what you mean by speed metal. Generally, my favorite bands that often get the 'speed' tag would be Judas Priest and early Megadeth. I'm not sure if Testament counts, but I'm going to throw them in anyway because I love them so much.
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Post by: Kai on 02 Apr 2006, 08:15: Judas Priest are great. I mean, fucking All Guns Blazing, man.

Do Testament count? I thought they were slumped with the thrash thing.
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Post by: valley_parade on 02 Apr 2006, 08:23: So I'm wondering.."Speed metal? Do I know any speed metal bands?"

Did some searching, and Motorhead popped up a few times.

So yes. Motorhead. They're one of my top 5 bands, regardless of genre.
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Post by: Kai on 02 Apr 2006, 08:31: Yeah, I guess you could call Motorhead Speed metal, seeing as Lemmy doesm ore speed than any person on earth.

I <3 Motorhead.
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Post by: valley_parade on 02 Apr 2006, 09:07: Quote from: Kai
Yeah, I guess you could call Motorhead Speed metal, seeing as Lemmy doesm ore speed than any person on earth.

I <3 Motorhead.

Zing!
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Post by: KharBevNor on 02 Apr 2006, 09:19: Speed metals not a real genre, but I'd go for Wuthering Heights
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Post by: soap on 02 Apr 2006, 09:37: what the hell counts as speed metal ?
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Post by: Kai on 02 Apr 2006, 10:53: Quote from: KharBevNor
Speed metals not a real genre, but I'd go for Wuthering Heights

I thought they generally fell under Folk Metal?
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Post by: books_out_loud on 02 Apr 2006, 11:12: i used to listen to susperia a lot.
x-japan has to be the fastest speed metal that i've ever heard though......well
minus dragonforce, but dragonforce is "extreme power/fantasy metal" by there own accord, so i dunno.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 02 Apr 2006, 11:53: Quote from: Kai
Quote from: KharBevNor
Speed metals not a real genre, but I'd go for Wuthering Heights

I thought they generally fell under Folk Metal?

Precisely. Everything you could call speed metal has a better genre label you could attach to it. Wuthering Heights are fast and awesome though.
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Post by: Borondir on 02 Apr 2006, 14:21: Yeah I'd say speed metal isn't a real genre. Speed is pretty important in all genres except doom...

The only way I've ever used the label of speed metal is referring to New Wave of British Heavy Metal bands like Priest or Maiden. But you can always call them traditional, heavy or power too of course.

But power metal was invented by Helloween, right? ;)
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Post by: Storm Rider on 02 Apr 2006, 16:47: Technically speed metal isn't a genre of its own, so a lot of Bay Area thrash bands also have the speed tag applied to them. Hence why I mentioned Megadeth.
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Post by: NosLycn on 02 Apr 2006, 17:08: Speed metal is a sub-genre of metal. It is essentially Power Metal, only faster. You have to be a bit careful or else you'll arrive in the realm of grindcore.

Judas Priest is good. I consider that band to be along the lines of Ozzy. Not sure I could them as speed metal. Definitely hard rock.
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Post by: Kai on 02 Apr 2006, 17:13: Um. Have you listened to either Ozzy or Priest anytime lately? They're kinda, like, nothing alike. At all. Ever. Not even Ozzy's Sabbath work is like it.
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Post by: Solstice on 02 Apr 2006, 17:43: Would Fear Factory be considered speed metal? I know they're "classed" as like Industrial or Thrash or Groove or whateverthefuck (I hate music genres, srsly), but lots of their stuff is plenty quick as well. So, speed metal yes? Maybe just Raymond Herrera's feet? :P

If so, that's where my vote would go. Fear Factory was what got me into the whole big broad genre of metal in the first place (them and White/Rob Zombie oh so many years ago), and was one of my very first album purchases. They'll always have a spot in my heart and in my playlist.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 02 Apr 2006, 18:19: It depends what Priest you're talking about. Late 70's/Early 80's priest is reasonably similiar to Ozzy. Painkiller era stuff, not at all.
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Post by: Kai on 02 Apr 2006, 18:39: Well, Painkiller era is generally their fastest and heaviest, so I'm more talking about that era because we're talking about Speed metal.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 02 Apr 2006, 18:47: Yeah, but I mean, if the lads thinking 'Sad Wings of Destiny' when he says Judas Priest, then drawing a parallel between Ozzy and Priest isn't all that unjustified.

Fear Factory...they just don't solo enough for speed metal. Insofar as it exists, speed metal is really all about tapping solos and whammy bars pulled back so far you break all your strings every song.

Even the bassists ones.
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Post by: Kai on 02 Apr 2006, 18:49: Point taken, I guess.

So I learned a little while ago that Elton John has a fairly big obsession about Black Sabbath. what the hell?
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Post by: soap on 02 Apr 2006, 18:58: elton hasn't always been so cringeworthy, even he had his moments...

Quote from: KharBevNor
Insofar as it exists, speed metal is really all about tapping solos and whammy bars pulled back so far you break all your strings every song

so no jesus built my hotrod stuff then ?
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Post by: Kai on 02 Apr 2006, 19:07: It's more of "What the hell? Elton John likes Sabbath? That's like, totally unexpected and fairly awesome".
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Post by: LadyValerie on 02 Apr 2006, 19:57: Just for reference:
http://www.metal-archives.com/browseG.php?g=thrash
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Post by: Borondir on 02 Apr 2006, 20:29: I still say speed metal is not a genre. Power metal bands that play fast are fast power metal.

Speed is something that crosses genre lines, and therefore, I think shouldn't be used as a genre title. Besides, it confuses people who don't know anything about metal. "Oh, this band called Immortal is really fast, they must be speed metal..."
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Post by: KharBevNor on 02 Apr 2006, 21:31: Quote from: soap

so no jesus built my hotrod stuff then ?

Jesus Built my Hotrod is DEFINITELY speed metal, but, say, Pisschrist, isn't.

...See?

Yeah, it is damn silly. Like everything, it's just something you get to instinctively know. Anyway doesn't JBMH have slide guitar in it? The inclusion of slide guitar or harmonica lets you into any genre you fucking want in my book.
Title: What's your favourite Speed Metal band?
Post by: beat mouse on 03 Apr 2006, 01:06: when i think speed metal i think of strapping young lad.

stratovarius are symphonic power metal, to pull a new obscure genre word into the thread.
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Post by: Borondir on 03 Apr 2006, 01:15: Symphonic Power metal is not just another obscure genre...its just a well recognized sub-genre.

Its what happened when Blind Guardian added keyboards...(I realise that's a gross oversimplification :) )

Of course all these genres are just ways of describing music, it's not like they are concrete definitions.
This is something I must constantly remind myself of.
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Post by: NosLycn on 03 Apr 2006, 01:32: Quote
speed metal is really all about tapping solos and whammy bars pulled back so far you break all your strings every song.

Even the bassists ones.

YES!

Also, I was thinking of earlier Priest. I haven't really heard the later stuff. There was a period where I really enjoyed the more mainstream bands. As it is, KISS is still one of my favourite bands. I just can't bring myself to listen to them anymore. It's just too much fun to say a band's name and have no one know what you're talking about. Then again, I'm a freak.

On another topic, has anyone ever seen any of the Bing Crosby Christmas Specials? There was one that featured David Bowie. Imagine David Bowie standing next to Bing Crosby, as the 8 billionth member of the rat pack.
Title: What's your favourite Speed Metal band?
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 03 Apr 2006, 09:12: Jason Becker. He did "Speed Metal Symphony," which has speed metal in the fucking name! Marty Friedman was also involved, but I think he was older than 17, which was how old Becker was at the time. Imagine if he were still playing today.
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Post by: jariku on 03 Apr 2006, 16:58: Quote
Stratovarius

This makes me want to cry.

Also: Rob Halford sang in Black Sabbath for a while, guys.

And as for stupid genres, Rhapsody is known as Epic Hollywood Metal.
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Post by: Kai on 03 Apr 2006, 17:01: Except for the fact that he didn't.
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Post by: jariku on 03 Apr 2006, 17:13: Quote
Rob Halford has also performed as the vocalist for Black Sabbath at three shows. He filled in for Ronnie James Dio for two shows on November 14 and November 15, 1992, following the end of the Dehumanizer tour, when Dio refused to participate in the band as an opening act for original vocalist Ozzy Osbourne. On August 26, 2004, Halford filled in for Osbourne for an Ozzfest show in Camden, New Jersey, due to Osbourne being unable to perform because of bronchitis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Halford
http://www.black-sabbath.com/personnel/halford.html
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Post by: Kai on 03 Apr 2006, 17:16: If you said "Performed with Sabbath", sure, but saying "sang" generally implies he was on some sort of recording. Not to mention that "for a while" is usually longer than three shows.
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Post by: jariku on 03 Apr 2006, 17:17: Very well, Rob Halford performed with Sabbath, guys.
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 03 Apr 2006, 18:38: Yeah, I vaguely remember that. Oh man, it must have been six or so years since I found that out, and I haven't been reminded of it since.
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Post by: NosLycn on 03 Apr 2006, 21:37: Apparently Stratovarius makes people cry? I don't know why? They rock and are quite solid. I saw them live, I did. I left dizzy, tired, slightly bruised, and deaf. I hope to get to see them again sometime.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 03 Apr 2006, 22:36: Why has Halford performing with Black Sabbath got anything to do with similarities between Ozzy's solo efforts and Judas Priest anyway?

It suggest nothing but that Rob Halford, Ozzy Osbourne and Ronny James Dio have a pretty similiar vocal style and that Ozzy knows Robs phone number.

Actually, the implications of that are pretty worrying. Maybe there's reasons Ozzy doesn't want to remember the seventies?
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Post by: Cerulaetas on 03 Apr 2006, 22:50: Quote from: NosLycn
Apparently Stratovarius makes people cry? I don't know why? They rock and are quite solid. I saw them live, I did. I left dizzy, tired, slightly bruised, and deaf. I hope to get to see them again sometime.

Bottom article (http://www.metalstorm.ee/stats/2004c.php)

That aside, I'm not a big fan of their music. Early Sonata Arctica is the closest I get, though I guess a lot of bands derive their influences from Stratovarius?
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Post by: Trollstormur on 04 Apr 2006, 03:33: fast metal basically? I'd go with Absu.
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Post by: NosLycn on 04 Apr 2006, 09:39: ABsu? I will have to look them up. Thanks.

All that "Stratodrama" must have happened before I saw the band. Anyhow, I enjoy the band's music and couldn't care less about what kind of personal problems they have. So long as the music I like is still the music I like, I will still like Stratovarius and go to see their next concert (if there is one) even if it features some evil new female lead singer covered in raspberry jam. Of course, I would probably never go to see them after it, but I would go that one time.

So, please tell me what is wrong with Helloween (aside from them not being speed metal).
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 04 Apr 2006, 13:24: Quote from: KharBevNor
Maybe there's reasons Ozzy doesn't want to remember the seventies?

Want to remember or ... ?
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Post by: NosLycn on 05 Apr 2006, 09:27: It's probably more that Ozzy CAN'T remember the 70's than anything.
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 05 Apr 2006, 10:14: That was the joke, Ted.
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Post by: Trollstormur on 05 Apr 2006, 13:38: Lahk a bisexual!
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Post by: strawberry_gashes on 25 Apr 2006, 17:39: I always mix up Speed and Thrash... oh well.

Oh, and my favorite is Darkest Hour. Hands fucking down. (Even though there are a bunch of other great bands out there, DH is my fave in this genre.)
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Post by: Borondir on 29 Apr 2006, 13:11: Darkest Hour is metalcore. Thrash influences to be sure, but don't really belong in regular metal genre.

Also, I still hold that speed metal doesn't exist as a separate genre. Regardless of the fact that most metal bands play fast, almost any band you could label as speed metal could be called thrash, power, or traditional.
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Post by: timehat on 30 Apr 2006, 14:47: Does Coroner count?
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Post by: Johnny C on 30 Apr 2006, 17:30: Sunn O))).
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Post by: Trollstormur on 30 Apr 2006, 17:33: is like being the tallest midget.
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Post by: jariku on 01 May 2006, 02:37: Quote from: Johnny C
Sunn O))).

For some reason they really sucked live. Even tough they had ATTILA CSIHAR with them.
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Post by: Gomorragh on 05 May 2006, 02:50: all speed is is a thrash metal band who has a soloist who does fast and audibly changing solo`s, thats the thing that made early metallica thrash and early megadeth speed, for a true speed metal solo or 3 try finding something by the great kat, now thats speed metal
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Post by: Borondir on 07 May 2006, 12:22: What exactly is fast and audibly changing solos? I think most thrash bands have fast and audibly changing solos. Probably most solos are fast and audibly changing.
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Post by: Kai on 07 May 2006, 12:38: I'm pretty sure "fast" and "audibly changing" are pretty much what defines Thrash.
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Post by: timehat on 07 May 2006, 15:01: What do you get when you have fast and not audibly changing? Death metal? Sped-up minimalism?
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Post by: Luke C on 07 May 2006, 15:15: If Motorhead count, then them but if not DragonForce.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 07 May 2006, 16:07: Quote from: timehat
Sped-up minimalism?

Yeah, basically. THat and punk black.

Or bad death metal.
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Post by: jariku on 07 May 2006, 17:02: Quote from: KharBevNor
THat and punk black.

Are you familiar with blackcore? LIEK, BRUTAL BLACK VOMIT and shit and stuff?

I think the whole genre was made up by Masokismi and Tuska (which incidentally share some members). Very snotty and very necro black metal played by deranged Finnish grindfreak punks.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 07 May 2006, 17:21: No I'm not, but it sounds sweet as all hell.
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Post by: strawberry_gashes on 11 May 2006, 15:37: Quote from: Borondir
Darkest Hour is metalcore. Thrash influences to be sure, but don't really belong in regular metal genre.

Also, I still hold that speed metal doesn't exist as a separate genre. Regardless of the fact that most metal bands play fast, almost any band you could label as speed metal could be called thrash, power, or traditional.

Ach, sorry.
Categorizing bands has never been my strong point.
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Post by: Aneurhythmia on 11 May 2006, 16:27: I really don't think it's worthwhile to differentiate between thrash and speed.

One could maybe get into temporal restrictions on genre purity ala film noir modality. In which case, it seems that a band could still pull off a traditional thrash sound despite modern influences, but labeling such a band speed metal may not be appropriate. I dunno.
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Post by: Borondir on 12 May 2006, 11:22: Quote from: strawberry_gashes

Ach, sorry.
Categorizing bands has never been my strong point.
Don't worry about it, categories don't really matter anyway, they are just a handy way of talking about music, and if it was any other form of popular music than metal I would have a harder time categorizing too.

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I really don't think it's worthwhile to differentiate between thrash and speed.
Yeah, exactly what I've been trying to say for the last several pages...and like you say, maybe as a sort of subcategorization, but not as a larger genre.