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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: FreshJive787 on 26 Jun 2006, 02:04
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its true, gibson headstocks break like crazy.
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answer: buy fender
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That picture allmost made me faint.
DONT DO THAT EVER AGAIN
Anyway, what the hell happened to it?
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That's awful. I just did his with my upright. The good news is- it's very fixable due to the Gibson headstock shape. Buy Titebond glue, a C-clamp, and two pieces of plexiglass. Clean the crack out completely and liberally apply the glue. Use a clean towel to wipe off the execess glue. Then place the plexi on each side of the headstock. Clamp down the c-clamp and wipe off any additional glue seeping out the sides. Then leave it alone for two days. You should be able to unclamp it and remove the plexi and have it be good as new.
When you put the strings back on, do it gingerly at first to confirm the glue will hold. It should though, provided the break is clean and there are no chips. Happy gee-tarr-ing.
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I almost forgot- you probably figured it out but you have to take off the strings and tuning pegs first.
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Can't you replace the entire neck? Doesn't that keep the tone and other qualities better?
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i second the buy a fender. if it makes the professor who teaches history of rock and roll at my school, it means BUY IT NOW.
and that doesn't make me as sad as the day one of my classmates kicked my friends cello and kicked the whole neck off. THAT is sad.
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Can't you replace the entire neck? Doesn't that keep the tone and other qualities better?
replacing set necks (glued on to the body) is mucho expensivo.
That's why i buy fender :)
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Or, buy something that is neither a gibson (expensive) or a fender (poorly made, still usually expensive)!
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Shit, I got my Fender for 70. It is in wonderful condition. TAKE THAT
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Fender still kinda sucks though!
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My Fender Jazz Bass is pretty much the best thing that ever happend to me. Seriously.
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Or, buy something that is neither a gibson (expensive) or a fender (poorly made, still usually expensive)!
the mexican one are decently made, you just have to try a bunch out until you can find one where the fretwork is perfect, then it's an amazing guitar for the cost (500 canadian for mine)
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it's like the march of the fendorians! Hope you don't get oFENDed. Maybe you would've been better off FENDing for yourself. yeah i'm done. i like fender, too.
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My Fender Jazz Bass is pretty much the best thing that ever happend to me. Seriously.
I dunno how their basses are, but I know just enough about guitars to know most Fenders are pretty shitty for the price they charge.
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You know... I like fenders, they've got an excellent sound to them. Of course, nothin really compares to the older guitar brands... Like Carlos. ^^
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Can't you replace the entire neck? Doesn't that keep the tone and other qualities better?
replacing set necks (glued on to the body) is mucho expensivo.
That's why i buy fender :)
Ah. Glued. Sorry. Carry on.
That sucks even worse though, you have my sincerest sympathies.
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The forum divides into two camps...
I really don't understand why anyone would say that Fenders are crap... They're still some of the best guitars out there. I love my strat so very much.
And holy crap Gibson quality control is going to be their downfall.
And using laminates in their Custom Shop. Honestly, what the fuck?
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i love gibson and fender alot, but when i needed to get a guitar it was a choice between the SG and a telecaster deluxe and the tone on the SG was much better than the telecasters in my opinion.
plus the SG is way lighter than a telecaster.
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plus the SG is way lighter than a telecaster.
Something is wrong when people are complaining about the weight of a telecaster...
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Something is wrong when people complain about the weight of guitars. Maybe those people should try to play bass.
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i play an ibanez ergodyne and its hella heavy.
but seriously, the sg's thinner body, lighter weight and a fretboard that isnt laquored makes it a better choice for me, but thats simply personal preference.
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Fender still kinda sucks though!
then why did people like buddy holly and jimi hendrix have fenders? because they in fact do not suck.
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They are both prematurely dead though.
Wait a SECOND!
A CURSE! A CURSE!
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Because they didn't suck back in the 60's, obviously. A lot can change in 40 years.
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Actually, the new Fender production line is pretty good. My Jazz Bass is Highway 1 (2003) and it sounds great. I mean, not like a 62' Jazz Bass, but it'll do because I'm not recording with Weather Report.
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Whether or not a guitar sucks is entirely opinion, and I think for a guitar to still be one of the most popular all these decades later, be it a Les or a Strat or a Tele, takes something special. I doubt they'll be playing many Variaxes in twenty years.
Personally, I favour Teles, and screw all this 'Fender sucks' crap, they work just fine for me, and it's never broken.
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Fender still kinda sucks though!
then why did people like buddy holly and jimi hendrix have fenders? because they in fact do not suck.
I never really understood the appeal of Hendrix... wanky blues riffs with too much fuzz
Too many drugs = too much noise
Though his clean playing did kick serious ass. Rhythm figures to All Along the Watchtower - beautiful.
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Solution for ALL your problems:
Switch to Jazz Flute!
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EDIT: Sorry for this non sequitur of a post... I thought it might amuse a couple of you... I can be kinda silly/stupid sometimes. Ah heh... Hmm... my apologies...
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Fender still kinda sucks though!
then why did people like buddy holly and jimi hendrix have fenders? because they in fact do not suck.
hendrix also played a gibson flying v.
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Buy an Ibanez. End of discussion.
But really, newer fenders suck enormous ass. Their quality control is really lacking, just like Gibson.
At least Gibson guitars are built in a way where it's virtually impossible to make it suck, in my opinion. Even a poorly built Les Paul or SG is still gonna sound badass, whereas a poorly built strat is gonna sound even more boring and soulless than they already do.
I would really dig a older-than-Andy-Rooney Strat though, but anything fender post-1990 is utter bull to me.
I must say I'm an Ibanez whore for life though.
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Fender still kinda sucks though!
then why did people like buddy holly and jimi hendrix have fenders? because they in fact do not suck.
hendrix also played a gibson flying v.
He also played a Les Paul on occasion. Which means he was not a little nancy-boy who complained about things that were heavy. Another thing going for him.
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Buy an Ibanez. End of discussion.
But really, newer fenders suck enormous ass. Their quality control is really lacking, just like Gibson.
At least Gibson guitars are built in a way where it's virtually impossible to make it suck, in my opinion. Even a poorly built Les Paul or SG is still gonna sound badass, whereas a poorly built strat is gonna sound even more boring and soulless than they already do.
I would really dig a older-than-Andy-Rooney Strat though, but anything fender post-1990 is utter bull to me.
I must say I'm an Ibanez whore for life though.
I'll say you're a whore alright...
Admittedly Ibanez makes some solid axes... but you still can't even compare most of them to even a Mexistandard 'caster. Part of that is because they really are different instruments for different styles of music, but overall Fender still really is the better company...
I think if any other company is going to knock them out, it could be Godin in a couple years. They've really been stepping up to the plate lately.
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I've got a Squier Precision Bass (assembled in China), and it's been pretty good to me.
Mind you, I've only had it for a month, but still, no signs of any sort of decay or crappiness.
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I have a confession to make.
I don't like Ibanez guitars at all. I can't really put why I don't like them into words, I just... don't.
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Youre not the only one. I know a lot of people with unexplained hate for Ibanez equipment.
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Without being stupid here, you can't really 'control' the 'quality' of a material that's as inconsistent as wood is. If they cut it up and wedged it back together like chipboard or something it'd sound like shit and people would bitch about it.
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Here are a two articals that I found interesting. I mean, if youre into guitar building or simply interested.
Some of the best bass builders in the world talking about bass building, among other things (http://www.mtdbass.com/pages/Pushing%20the%20Envelope.htm). The first part of this page really touches the Fender Vs. everything we talked about erlier. You know what? I'll copy it here:
Michael Tobias: A few weeks ago, I heard from a guy who had spent 3,500 of his hard-earned dollars on a Tobias bass. He'd gone to a recording session, and the engineer couldn't get a sound with it. The engineer told him, "Go get a Fender," so this guy went out and got his Jazz Bass and brought it back to the studio. The engineer looked at it: Bang. Fine. "Play." So this guy asks me, "Why is this Fender a better bass in the studio than my expensive Tobias? Do you builders make these instruments just to satisfy your own egos? Do you pay attention to the market? Do you pay attention to what we need?" Now I would have to say there are several factors involved: One is your technique. Another is getting used to a new instrument and learning how to voice it. And another is tunnel vision from engineers who will just look at a bass and say, "It's not a Fender; I can't get a sound." All of us, to a greater or lesser extent, have to fight this kind of thing, because we don't just make Fender copies. So the question is: Is the Fender bass still the standard and, if so, do we raise it? Lower it? Confuse it?
Roger Sadowsky: I'll dive in, because I think I surrender to it, probably more than anybody here [laughter]. Fifteen years ago, when my business consisted of doing repairs for the studio players in New York and I began to think of building my own instruments, all of those issues were smack in my face. The players didn't want anything that didn't look like a Fender, because they knew what the engineers would say. We're talking about jingle session where nobody was taking more than two minutes to get a sound - plug in, knock it out, you're outta there.
That situation was a major factor in the decision I made about the instruments I was going to build. So, as I said, I just surrendered to it. I saw what my market was and who my clients were, and I wasn't willing to spend ten years beating my head against the wall, trying to give them something they were going to resist. I made a commitment to make the best Jazz-style bass I could and to offer any refinements I could to the design. I'm comfortable with that - I mean, I don't have a problem with it. You brought up a very real issue, Michael. Creatively, it's frustrating because it limits what I can do - but looking at it from the business perspective of giving people what they want, it's worth it to me.
Michael Pedulla: We took a slight different route. Number one, I've always thought that I simply wouldn't be able compete with a large, established company on its own territory. I had to make a niche for myself. That's one reason why I got into making basses - guitar players wouldn't look at it if it wasn't a Martin or a Gibson or a Strat, but bass players were much more open to trying something new, regardless of the name or what it looked like.
We were trying to take what was established and change it a little bit, improve it. And it's a different instrument, so you have to get used to it. It's like going from a Ford Escort to a Porsche - boy, that Porsche is difficult to drive at first. Everything's different about it. And it takes a long time to learn to drive it well.
Bret Carlson: The Fender does only one thing, pretty much. It does that thing well, and everybody's used to what it does.
Michael Tobias: Right, everybody's used to it, but in 40 years how much has the state of the art changed? Alembic came out in the '70s with these incredible basses, but they're not the state of the art today.
Geoff Gould: I thing you're mixing up terms. Fender may be the standard - I'll buy that - but it's not the state of the art.
Richie Owens: But isn't it the standard partly because of the analog recording techniques that people got used to? It was the standard sound on a lot of recordings, so everybody adapted to it. Now the technology is changing, with digital and everything, and engineers are able to accept an instrument with a wider frequency range than a Fender bass. Recording technology is becoming more open to other instruments.
Geoff Gould: What Mike said in the beginning about engineers is the key to the whole thing. A while ago, engineers would see a Modulus bass and say, "Oh, I can't work with that; it's too hard." But now Nashville is our most successful town, and most of the engineers have a Modulus setting. It's become normal here.
Roger Sadowsky: Also, Nashville is a town where a guy goes to a session with a trunk, and he's got eight basses with him. In New York, on the other hand, the guy's got one bass in a gig bag, and he hops on a subway to get to the session. It's really different.
Michael Replogle: We're seeing almost a circular evolution. The engineers might be on the back side, but now they've got a Modulus setting - cool. So it's almost become a standard. At the same time, as builders, we often push the envelope, to give players new sounds and new direction. Seven or eight years ago, when I was with Valley Arts, we were making basses that were just glorified Fenders, really. We weren't pushing the envelope. But at Steinberger we've got a whole different animal, and it is pushing that envelope. Each of us here is pushing out into the wilderness, and eventually, behind us, the engineers come along. But they haven't forgotten that old sound. So while we're breaking new territory, we're still trying to cover that old sound too. It's almost a circular thing.
Michael Tobias: Things do run in interesting cycles. For a couple of years, neck-throughs were the hottest thing, and then bolt-ons make a big comeback.
Bret Carlson: People are always trying to find something better. It was "more sustain" for a while, then it was "wider frequency response." Sometimes you go too far, and then you say, "Okay, this is good. We got this far, now let's back up a little bit and focus on what works ."
Geoff Gould: But I think we're all here because Fender gives us the room to be here.
Michael Pedulla: Well, they're not changing - it's been P-Bass and Jazz Bass forever.
Geoff Gould: Let's face it, they have to do that. They're stuck in that niche. Now, one interesting thing that we're working on is a J-style 5-string. And Fender's working on that, too; they've had one, but they're introducing a couple of new versions. But where does a 5-string meet a Jazz Bass? I think there are some
compromises that you have to make.
Michael Tobias: Well, a 5-string's just never going to respond like a 4-string, anyway.
Michael Pedulla: Most of the guys I work with still use a fretted 4-string because the E string just sounds different than it does on a 5-string. And the B string on a 6 sounds different from the B string on a 5.
And another one: Michael Tobias on guitar building (http://www.mtdbass.com/articles/quest_for_tone.pdf)
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Buy an Ibanez. End of discussion.
But really, newer fenders suck enormous ass. Their quality control is really lacking, just like Gibson.
At least Gibson guitars are built in a way where it's virtually impossible to make it suck, in my opinion. Even a poorly built Les Paul or SG is still gonna sound badass, whereas a poorly built strat is gonna sound even more boring and soulless than they already do.
I would really dig a older-than-Andy-Rooney Strat though, but anything fender post-1990 is utter bull to me.
I must say I'm an Ibanez whore for life though.
I'll say you're a whore alright...
Admittedly Ibanez makes some solid axes... but you still can't even compare most of them to even a Mexistandard 'caster. Part of that is because they really are different instruments for different styles of music, but overall Fender still really is the better company...
I think if any other company is going to knock them out, it could be Godin in a couple years. They've really been stepping up to the plate lately.
Well, then you've been lucky, and gotten one of the better examples. The thing that I find sucky with fender, is the inconsistency of quality, especially in the lower range models.
I have a real problem with fender, really. And I can explain it as well.
Like I said, the quality control is a joke, and they are just too darned expensive with that taken in to consideration. Of all guitar companies out there, Fender is the one that rests the most on their laurels, simply because the strat is so Iconic.
A lot of the greats play strats, so therefore Fender can shove all kinds of hack job axes down the throats of naive youngsters. It's as simple as that, and that is what i dislike. They rely too much on the brand name to sell, and they are just so conservative in their model range. No 7-strings, virtually no extended scales, no interesting finishes etc. etc... Just the same old shit over and over again.
Their lack of versatility and creativity really bug the shit out of me. Like you said, Godin totally own their asses in terms of quality and well... Evertyhing.
I have an SD, which can sound just as stratty as any Strat, but still I'm able to pull off a kick-ass rock tone or even Death Metal chug on it. A Mexistandard Strat just can't do that, and it costs more.
So yeah, I guess you could say my main pet peeve is fender guitars, and to some extent their clientel :p
And one last question: Have you ever PLAYED an Ibanez? Let alone one of their more expensive models? Or anything other than a fender, for that matter. Try taking a look at G&L, the company that Fender SHOULD have been.
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I most certainly have played some Ibanez guitars. My uncle plays Ibanez, and it's a pretty high end model. It's a sold exe, surely, but I just didn't like playing it. The only way I can really describe it is it felt souless, although that's not going to make any sense.
Just not my cup of tea, if you will.
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Well, then you've been lucky, and gotten one of the better examples. The thing that I find sucky with fender, is the inconsistency of quality, especially in the lower range models.
I have a real problem with fender, really. And I can explain it as well.
Like I said, the quality control is a joke, and they are just too darned expensive with that taken in to consideration. Of all guitar companies out there, Fender is the one that rests the most on their laurels, simply because the strat is so Iconic.
A lot of the greats play strats, so therefore Fender can shove all kinds of hack job axes down the throats of naive youngsters. It's as simple as that, and that is what i dislike. They rely too much on the brand name to sell, and they are just so conservative in their model range. No 7-strings, virtually no extended scales, no interesting finishes etc. etc... Just the same old shit over and over again.
Their lack of versatility and creativity really bug the shit out of me. Like you said, Godin totally own their asses in terms of quality and well... Evertyhing.
I have an SD, which can sound just as stratty as any Strat, but still I'm able to pull off a kick-ass rock tone or even Death Metal chug on it. A Mexistandard Strat just can't do that, and it costs more.
So yeah, I guess you could say my main pet peeve is fender guitars, and to some extent their clientel :p
And one last question: Have you ever PLAYED an Ibanez? Let alone one of their more expensive models? Or anything other than a fender, for that matter. Try taking a look at G&L, the company that Fender SHOULD have been.
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1) I guess I have been lucky. There's no way the four Fenders in my house could all just be really good because there's some kind of consistency in a CNC machine. Nope, just got the ones that the magic guitar fairy farted on.
2) The guitars they cram down n00bs throats? They're Squier. Most guys who're just starting out aren't going to get a 500 dollar guitar.
3) Conservative? They revolutionized the guitar and made something that just about everyone loves. I don't see why they'd be in a rush to make axes for small audiences. A lot of people just don't like 7-strings, far more than the number that do. They have a broad lineup of guitars that have never really served them wrong.
4) Don't take me out of context. I said that in the near future I can see Godin beating them out. Dollar-for-dollar, I'd still take a Fender over a Godin. They don't have the same character that a quackin' strat can deal out. Period.
5) I've owned three Ibanezs, so yeah, I think I can say I've played one. Not just one kind either, had a stupid heavy metal thing (RG270 if memory serves me right... didn't hold onto that one too long), a jazz box (hell if I remember the name, but the whole thing was quilt maple. Even the pickguard. It was a gross looking guitar... sounded alright, but nothing special) and PResque semihollow. That one covered just about everything my strat couldn't do (which isn't much) but it really just wasn't worth holding onto. G&L are indeed the sex though, but hella expensivo up here in Canuckland.[/b]
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Shit, I got my Fender for 70. It is in wonderful condition. TAKE THAT
Squier alert? ;)
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Okay, I'll try and sound a little less cranky this time. Please forgive my previous rantyness.
1) There's still issues like wood quality, and how they're put together.
2) I know that full well, don't get me wrong. They still do have a kind of monopoly on the market, as I see it, with all the kids who are going out to buy their first "real" guitar, and people who still believe they are the dog's bollocks, because they were in the old days.
3) Yes, they are conservative and boring to ME! I should have pointed that out earlier, sorry. I know that Gibson aren't much better in the conservative department, but at least they make a point out of making variations on their old designs, and have a few more radical body shapes in their roster. Just like more or less every other company out there.
Fender does have a few "special" models every now and again, but still nothing impressive.
I can in some way understand the bad feelings towards 7-strings, because they still have that whole Korn/Nu-metal stigma attached to them, to some degree. But still, the fact that they haven't tried anything weird, tells me they are afraid to take chances in a market where doing just that is the way to get ahead of your competitors.
And I apologize if I sound rude now, but I can't help myself:
Yes, they revolutionized the guitar. SIXTY FUCKING YEARS AGO! Pretty much all other innovations since then, have been from other companies.
4) Godin won't beat them or become bigger. I wish to god they would, but it won't happen, because Fender will always have legions of fanboys defending their mediocre, soulless Rehashocasters. Fender fanboys are even worse than Ibanez fanboys sometimes, and that's bad. Very bad.
If you wanna play blues, fine, get a strat ( or an ES-335). If you wanna play country, get a tele.
But to me, that's all they're good for. You can't play metal on a Strat unless you mod it. You can't play hard rock on a tele, unless you put a humbucker in it.
I honestly believe that a lot of other companies make guitars that can do the fender sounds just as well as newer fenders, and then have other sounds at their disposal as well. Thank god for coil-splittable humbuckers.
Of course you can try and use a strat for everything, but in a lot of situations where it's not at home, it will come up short compared to other guitars. IMHO goddamnit, IMHO!
5) Well, good for you. You had one of their low-end RG's with stock pickups, which are admittedly teh suck, and were even worse back in the day. Try one of their high-end models, the ones that cost the same as american standard Strat, and tell me they're not
a) more playable than any newer production Fender could ever hope to be
b) More sonically versatile
"Vibe" is where it gets subjective, and where we can't argue. You think Ibanez's feel soulless, which I to some extent understand. They do have a more "technological" feel to 'em, I'll agree with you there. I just think it's a small sacrifice to make, in other to have the playability and sound of it.
I, on the other hand, think that Fenders are soulless, because they all look and sound the same to me. And i just don't like being limited in the way you are with a standard Strat. If i wanna play quiet and clean on my mean-ass seven-string, I'll just split the coils of the 'buckers, and turn it down.
If I wanna get heavy with a strat, I gotta go change pickups and all that crap.
Bear in mind, that my mindless ranting is directed at newer, production Fenders. The really old models, and the custom shop models, sound friggin' awesome, and have vibe in spades, but the newer ones have neither vibe nor tone, as I see and hear it.
Okay, I need to sleep now. I just hope I can restrain myself to keep the discussion friendly if it continues ;)
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Without being stupid here, you can't really 'control' the 'quality' of a material that's as inconsistent as wood is. If they cut it up and wedged it back together like chipboard or something it'd sound like shit and people would bitch about it.
Easily. Before you make guitars out of it, you analyse the density and all other factors about it, and sort it accordingly.
Your PRS and your Epiphone may have stood next to each other in the rainforest, but the healthiest tree became the PRS.
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Shit, I got my Fender for 70. It is in wonderful condition. TAKE THAT
Squier alert? ;)
more of Estate sales. dead people FTW!
EDIT: And to each his own, my friend. To each his own.
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1) Wood does suprisingly little. I have built guitars, I know this for a fact. D'Aquisto once built an archtop out of, I shit you not, cardboard, a little bit of plywood, and paper maché. It could kick more ass than 90% of guitars out there. It's how the materials are put together, not what they are.
2) You really have no faith in people. It's easy to say "people know Fender, so they're going to buy them." As far as I'm concerned, anyone who goes into a store and buys the first guitar they see just because of some name isn't a guitar player, they're a tool. God forbid they'd play more than one thing before they buy.
3) http://toronto.craigslist.org/msg/180920377.html enough said.
Name something revolutionary that another company is doing? I'll give you two, and I'll be impressed if you can name another, let alone match my offering.
Rainsong guitars makes acoustics entirely out of graphite. You see, sound energy going into the wood on a guitar creates heat, substantially so the higher up the neck you go (hence less sustain). Graphite negates this effect, so you end up getting high ringing notes at the top.
Garrison out of Newfoundland recently began shipping guitars with a one-piece bridge and bracing system that helps sound to transfer to the top.
4) Lets see... Funk, Punk, R&B, Jazz, Soul, Gospel, Rock (and yes, strats can handle hard rock, and regular teles can actually hold their own in metal settings), Pop, Klezmer, Reggae, Ska, Dub, and just about everything else - Fenders can handle it. I'd say, and I'm sure many would agree, that the Strat is one hell of a versatile guitar. Then you look at basses. Shit, a Jazz Bass can handle everything. No exceptions. If there's a bass, a jazz will do the trick.
And I'm really questioning your sense of tone if a coil splitted humbucker gives you a single-coil tone you're happy with. That's gross. Like EMG gross.
5) Fuck /no one/ needs an American strat. Shove some Duncan's in a Mexicaster and holy hell that's a fine ass guitar for way less than your nancy-boy pointy-ass Ibanezs. The only thing cool about the Prestige series (other than the DiMarzios in some, those are the sex) is the piezo bridge - but wait, Fender has that. And they're better piezos at that.
"Vibe" is where it gets subjective, and where we can't argue. You think Ibanez's feel soulless, which I to some extent understand. They do have a more "technological" feel to 'em, I'll agree with you there. I just think it's a small sacrifice to make, in other to have the playability and sound of it.
Go out and actually play a Fener tomorrow. A stock, Mexican made (Japenese if you're feeling particularly peckish) Fender. Play a couple. Guaranteed you'll find something you love. Perhaps a nice black telecaster with a sexy sexy maple fretboard. Then you're going to go see a replacement pickguard in the clearance bin, and suddenly you won't feel so bad about it looking like someone else's guitar.
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Your PRS and your Epiphone may have stood next to each other in the rainforest, but the tree with the dragon inlaid on it became the PRS.
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1) Wood does suprisingly little. I have built guitars, I know this for a fact.
you must be tone deaf.
anyway taylor built a guitar out of plywood and it sounded pretty good but thats only because of their superior craftsmanship, a better wood built to the same quality would have produced a better tone.
and dont call me a nancy boy because i consider a lighter guitar nice.
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1) Wood does suprisingly little. I have built guitars, I know this for a fact.
you must be tone deaf.
anyway taylor built a guitar out of plywood and it sounded pretty good but thats only because of their superior craftsmanship, a better wood built to the same quality would have produced a better tone.
and dont call me a nancy boy because i consider a lighter guitar nice.
tone deafness is not being able to hear pitches... ironically enough
and yeah, I'm not saying that the wood you use doesn't effect it, I was merely trying to say that it doesn't do as much as you'd think. Espcially if you put high gain pickups in... as a generality they tend to bully other parts of the guitar into sounding the way they want, which is kind of cool when you think about it.
And I mean nancy-boy in the nicest possible sense, almost endearingly. Lighter is nice and all that, but its usually not worth the trade-off for tone.
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1) Wood does suprisingly little. I have built guitars, I know this for a fact.
You hav'nt read the links I posted, right?
4) Lets see... Funk, Punk, R&B, Jazz, Soul, Gospel, Rock (and yes, strats can handle hard rock, and regular teles can actually hold their own in metal settings), Pop, Klezmer, Reggae, Ska, Dub, and just about everything else - Fenders can handle it. I'd say, and I'm sure many would agree, that the Strat is one hell of a versatile guitar. Then you look at basses. Shit, a Jazz Bass can handle everything. No exceptions. If there's a bass, a jazz will do the trick.
You seriously read nothing? I quoted 13 of the best Bass builders in the world debating about just that.
I'm not saying that the wood you use doesn't effect it, I was merely trying to say that it doesn't do as much as you'd think
Well, yes. Sound is about 80% player 10% wood and 10% hardware.
Like it or not, if your guitar sounds like crap, its probably you.
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1) Wood does suprisingly little. I have built guitars, I know this for a fact. D'Aquisto once built an archtop out of, I shit you not, cardboard, a little bit of plywood, and paper maché. It could kick more ass than 90% of guitars out there. It's how the materials are put together, not what they are.
Again, that was from a qualified luthier. If it's something put together by a machine, it does make a difference. Why is it then, that mahogany and alder guitars sound totally different? The guitar fairy you mentioned earlier?
2) You really have no faith in people. It's easy to say "people know Fender, so they're going to buy them." As far as I'm concerned, anyone who goes into a store and buys the first guitar they see just because of some name isn't a guitar player, they're a tool. God forbid they'd play more than one thing before they buy.
You mean to tell me there is absolutely no unjustified hype around this brand?
3) http://toronto.craigslist.org/msg/180920377.html enough said.
Holy Squier Showmaster Batman!
Name something revolutionary that another company is doing?
Gibson inventing the humbucker.
Conklin's fanned-fret extended range instruments, Steinbergers Graphite necks since god knows when, Ibanez and Schecter making 7-strings and baritones available to mere mortals, Rickenbacker (IIRC) making 24-fret guitars available.. The list goes on, but that's all I can recall at the top of my head.
4) Lets see... Funk, Punk, R&B, Jazz, Soul, Gospel, Rock (and yes, strats can handle hard rock, and regular teles can actually hold their own in metal settings), Pop, Klezmer, Reggae, Ska, Dub, and just about everything else - Fenders can handle it.
Handle is one thing, excel is an entirely different ball game. Why is it that I only see a fraction of Jazz guitarists playing anything other than hollowbodies? Why do the punks either use Gibson-style guitars, or put humbuckers in their Fenders?
You're right on the Ska, Funk, Reggae and that stuff. That's where they do excel.
But tele's for metal?! What? Do you even play metal in the first place? First of all, you'd need a pickup change. The body woods used for teles are actually good for that genre, as Ash and Alder give a nice clarity in the tone, especially when detuning. However, the standard Tele bridge just looks to flimsy to me, and not really well suited for palm muted trem picking, or any kind of brutal playing.
A few death metal dudes, most notably Obituary and Jon Levasseur (ex-Cryptopsy) have used strats, but with modifications aplenty.
And IMO(!!!!) single coils just don't deliver a good rock rhythm tone, no matter what you do amp-wise, it'll always lack balls compared to humbuckers.
5) Fuck /no one/ needs an American strat. Shove some Duncan's in a Mexicaster and holy hell that's a fine ass guitar for way less than your nancy-boy pointy-ass Ibanezs. The only thing cool about the Prestige series (other than the DiMarzios in some, those are the sex) is the piezo bridge - but wait, Fender has that. And they're better piezos at that.
Still a matter of taste. And just for the record, my Ibanez is as pointy as a tennis ball. It's an S-series. My washburn on the other hand is a lil' kinky lookin'.
What model fenders have piezos? I've never seen those. As far as I recall, Carvin has them as well.
Go out and actually play a Fener tomorrow. A stock, Mexican made (Japenese if you're feeling particularly peckish) Fender. Play a couple. Guaranteed you'll find something you love. Perhaps a nice black telecaster with a sexy sexy maple fretboard. Then you're going to go see a replacement pickguard in the clearance bin, and suddenly you won't feel so bad about it looking like someone else's guitar.
Dude.. Why do you think I've been saying all this? Really. Think hard. [/quote]
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Go out and actually play a Fener tomorrow. A stock, Mexican made (Japenese if you're feeling particularly peckish) Fender. Play a couple. Guaranteed you'll find something you love. Perhaps a nice black telecaster with a sexy sexy maple fretboard. Then you're going to go see a replacement pickguard in the clearance bin, and suddenly you won't feel so bad about it looking like someone else's guitar.
go out and actually play a fender? ive played plenty of strats and teles but none of them hit the sweet spot for me like a gibson. however i still do like fenders.
but seriously stop being such a fender whore.
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either you like a brand or you don't. it's all personal preferance. woo hoo.
does anyone play a 12 string?
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does anyone play a 12 string?
I wish I did, but I haven't the cash to buy one. It would be great though, to have an electric 12-string and just go drone-crazy.
At this year's Roskilde Festival, I saw Opeth, and when they played "Closure" Mikael whipped out a PRS 12-string which was just teh uber-sex ov sexiness +2. I've wanted one even more since that.
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either you like a brand or you don't. it's all personal preferance. woo hoo.
does anyone play a 12 string?
I've played a few. Bastard to tune, dream to play. Absolutely wonderful.
As for PRS...I despise PRS guitars. And not just because I think they look like shiny crap and are ridiculously priced - oh wait, that is why I despise them.
But I wouldn't like them that aside. I don't like the way they sound or the way the play, or the way they feel.
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1) Wood does suprisingly little. I have built guitars, I know this for a fact.
You hav'nt read the links I posted, right?
Call me a hypocrit, but I didn't feel like reading a long post.
Considering the usual length of mine, that's pretty stupid, but hey, I'll fess up to that one.
Not like I'm a complete ass.
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1) Wood does suprisingly little. I have built guitars, I know this for a fact. D'Aquisto once built an archtop out of, I shit you not, cardboard, a little bit of plywood, and paper maché. It could kick more ass than 90% of guitars out there. It's how the materials are put together, not what they are.
Again, that was from a qualified luthier. If it's something put together by a machine, it does make a difference. Why is it then, that mahogany and alder guitars sound totally different? The guitar fairy you mentioned earlier?
2) You really have no faith in people. It's easy to say "people know Fender, so they're going to buy them." As far as I'm concerned, anyone who goes into a store and buys the first guitar they see just because of some name isn't a guitar player, they're a tool. God forbid they'd play more than one thing before they buy.
You mean to tell me there is absolutely no unjustified hype around this brand?
3) http://toronto.craigslist.org/msg/180920377.html enough said.
Holy Squier Showmaster Batman!
Name something revolutionary that another company is doing?
Gibson inventing the humbucker.
Conklin's fanned-fret extended range instruments, Steinbergers Graphite necks since god knows when, Ibanez and Schecter making 7-strings and baritones available to mere mortals, Rickenbacker (IIRC) making 24-fret guitars available.. The list goes on, but that's all I can recall at the top of my head.
4) Lets see... Funk, Punk, R&B, Jazz, Soul, Gospel, Rock (and yes, strats can handle hard rock, and regular teles can actually hold their own in metal settings), Pop, Klezmer, Reggae, Ska, Dub, and just about everything else - Fenders can handle it.
Handle is one thing, excel is an entirely different ball game. Why is it that I only see a fraction of Jazz guitarists playing anything other than hollowbodies? Why do the punks either use Gibson-style guitars, or put humbuckers in their Fenders?
You're right on the Ska, Funk, Reggae and that stuff. That's where they do excel.
But tele's for metal?! What? Do you even play metal in the first place? First of all, you'd need a pickup change. The body woods used for teles are actually good for that genre, as Ash and Alder give a nice clarity in the tone, especially when detuning. However, the standard Tele bridge just looks to flimsy to me, and not really well suited for palm muted trem picking, or any kind of brutal playing.
A few death metal dudes, most notably Obituary and Jon Levasseur (ex-Cryptopsy) have used strats, but with modifications aplenty.
And IMO(!!!!) single coils just don't deliver a good rock rhythm tone, no matter what you do amp-wise, it'll always lack balls compared to humbuckers.
5) Fuck /no one/ needs an American strat. Shove some Duncan's in a Mexicaster and holy hell that's a fine ass guitar for way less than your nancy-boy pointy-ass Ibanezs. The only thing cool about the Prestige series (other than the DiMarzios in some, those are the sex) is the piezo bridge - but wait, Fender has that. And they're better piezos at that.
Still a matter of taste. And just for the record, my Ibanez is as pointy as a tennis ball. It's an S-series. My washburn on the other hand is a lil' kinky lookin'.
What model fenders have piezos? I've never seen those. As far as I recall, Carvin has them as well.
Go out and actually play a Fener tomorrow. A stock, Mexican made (Japenese if you're feeling particularly peckish) Fender. Play a couple. Guaranteed you'll find something you love. Perhaps a nice black telecaster with a sexy sexy maple fretboard. Then you're going to go see a replacement pickguard in the clearance bin, and suddenly you won't feel so bad about it looking like someone else's guitar.
Dude.. Why do you think I've been saying all this? Really. Think hard.
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1) People who work for Fender and build their guitars are trained. Since they built guitars (and other stringed instruments for that matter) they qualify as luthiers. And mahogany and alder sound different mostly because being different woods they have different densities. Don't be an idiot.
2) Oh, absolutely. Congratulations, you're a humanitarian! You're offended that idiots are being played like the guitars they're buying! Wowee!
3) Seth Lover invented the humbucker, not Gibson. And even that's not true. Technically a split pick-up you'd find on a P-Bass is humbucking, which would put its invention at around 1937 when Rickenbacker started putting them on their lapsteels.
I'll give you the fanned frets, they're pretty cool. Except for one thing. Extended fretboards suck the tone out of your neck pickup. They push it out of the sweet spot and it just ends of muddy. Are those extra two notes really worth it? I really doubt it.
Does anyone else see anything funny about him saying that Fender needs to do something new because they haven't since the advent of the strat, yet he's just listed a bunch of things that aren't exactly new in the slightest? When does sliced bread get put on the list?
4) You haven't seen guys play jazz with other stuff than hollowbodies because you don't go and see to many jazz shows. Only the traditionalists really stick with hollowbodies. Some of the best jazz guitar players out there (Mike Stern, Michael Occipinti, Geoff Young, Ryan Droplet, the mighty Holdsworth, etc) all play Fender (or in Stern's case, a Yamaha pretending to be one). Not all punks do that, anyways. Strats are still huge in punk, and teles never go out of style.
When I say metal I don't mean "hey lets tune our guitars really low and growl like fucking idiots because that's way hardcore" metal. Teles are awesome, but you really need a specialized (and pointy) guitar for stuff like that. I'm talking good old earlier and even glam stuff. It's not how much gain you have, its how you use it, and teles can bust out some fuckin' heavy tones with the right amp. Especially the maple fretboard ones.
Oh, and no. I don't play metal. I don't like metal. That is why I play a lot of other stuff instead. And I'd be comfortable bringing my strat out to anything.
Single coils are awesome. Tom Morello knows this, and gets metal tones this way. Rhythm pickup too.
Fender had a couple special editions (a strat, tele, and a jazz bass if I remember) that all had Fishman powerbridges in them. The more upscale Nashville tele also comes standard with it.
They are options with Carvin, because Carvin is hardcore awesome.
And no, I have no idea why you're saying things. I really don't care. I know why I am though, but that's my dirty little secret.
Oh wait, no its not... Ibanez suck. Almost forgot.
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mrcarter is there any reason to be so pretentious about guitars? you have 12 posts or something in these forums and your kind of coming off as a real asshole.
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Seriously, dude, don't be a dick.
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
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The tone knob on my Squier P-Bass just...dropped off, and it doesn't seem to want to reattach. How do I get it back on and make it stay there?
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Go to the store you bought it in and ask them about it. If its relatively new then ask them to fix it.
Its allways best to go to someone that knows about guitar building and maintenance to fix it insted of trying yourself, even if it costs you money.
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I wish I did, but I haven't the cash to buy one. It would be great though, to have an electric 12-string and just go drone-crazy.
me too. i know they can be a pain, but the sound is amazing and i want one ohsobad.
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mrcarter is there any reason to be so pretentious about guitars? you have 12 posts or something in these forums and your kind of coming off as a real asshole.
Because the number of posts on a forum for a webcomic is directly proportional to one's knowledge of guitars...
Anyways, I'm really only here because SputnikMusic closed down with MxTabs. This is friendly banter by comparison to the usual thread in there, so its takin' a bit to settle down. Plus Lummer is an ass.
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
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What he's saying is that if you guys don't shut up soon, you're going to wake up grandpa, and you know what that means.
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
ibanez fanboys? i play gibson and ibanez yeah but my respect for those guitars is nowhere near your obsession over fender.
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mrcarter is there any reason to be so pretentious about guitars? you have 12 posts or something in these forums and your kind of coming off as a real asshole.
Because the number of posts on a forum for a webcomic is directly proportional to one's knowledge of guitars...
Anyways, I'm really only here because SputnikMusic closed down with MxTabs. This is friendly banter by comparison to the usual thread in there, so its takin' a bit to settle down. Plus Lummer is an ass.
How mature of you. Just because your behaviour seems to be accepted in another forum, doesn't mean it's accepted here. Besides, my impression of the Mxtabs forums was always that it was filled with the kind of people who actually believe Kirk Hammett is a good guitarist. Ie. people who know jack diddly about guitar and music in general.
Yes, that was aimed at you, poopyface. My dad is SO gonna beat up your dad!
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
ibanez fanboys? i play gibson and ibanez yeah but my respect for those guitars is nowhere near your obsession over fender.
My thoughts exactly. If i'm such a fanboy, how come I still own my Washburn, Godin and Epiphone and haven't ritually sacrificed the heathen axes on my altar to Steve Vai yet?
And you said all you owned was Fender guitars? Get real dude, you're the fanboy here, not the rest of us.
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(http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/050404.jpg)
And finally, in my hattrick of post-whorage, I can only worship that comic for it's impeccable appropriateness, and flawless timing on behalf of Awkward. I might as well accept my spanking then :(
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
Why is it idiotic to play one kind of guitar?
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EVEN IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
Why is it idiotic to play one kind of guitar?
It's not idiotic per se.. Just limiting.
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YOU KNOW WHAT'S ALSO LIMITING
MY WALLET
I CAN'T AFFORD MORE GUITARS TO PLAY WITH
SORRY GUYS
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I think the only way we can settle this is with a guitar fight to the death. Seriously.
Although, if we'll throw in a Rickenbacker it will RULE THEM.
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I see your Lakland and rise you a Rickenbacker 4003
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2/ffgtthttghyujjfdss/4003.jpg)
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
Why is it idiotic to play one kind of guitar?
It's not idiotic per se.. Just limiting.
That's insane.
Let's say Fenders are my preferred guitars. So I'll play them, right? And because I like them so much, I have no need for any other guitars. Why is it limiting when I have no desire or requirement for any further brand of guitar?
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
Why is it idiotic to play one kind of guitar?
It's not idiotic per se.. Just limiting.
That's insane.
Let's say Fenders are my preferred guitars. So I'll play them, right? And because I like them so much, I have no need for any other guitars. Why is it limiting when I have no desire or requirement for any further brand of guitar?
To me at least, it is quite limiting. You have to step outside your comfort zone every now and then, and besides: I personally love the fact that my two main guitars are so wildly different, and the others I have are also different. It gives me more options, sonically.
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Well obviously, I can see why it would be limiting for some. But I'm quite happy doing whatever the hell I can with my Tele. I love trying to get weird and wonderful sounds out of it by any means.
As far as getting out of my comfort zone...I don't do that with guitar. I am quite happy with where I am as a guitarist. I get out of my comfort zone by trying new things on bass, organ, piano, or just trying a whole new instrument in a music shop.
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Well obviously, I can see why it would be limiting for some. But I'm quite happy doing whatever the hell I can with my Tele. I love trying to get weird and wonderful sounds out of it by any means.
As far as getting out of my comfort zone...I don't do that with guitar. I am quite happy with where I am as a guitarist. I get out of my comfort zone by trying new things on bass, organ, piano, or just trying a whole new instrument in a music shop.
Fair enough, if that works for you then more power to you.
I for one, play Death Metal in one band and Rock'n'Roll in another, and obviously I'm gonna need some variety in my arsenal. Especially when you consider the fact that I also dabble around in all conceivable styles when I'm just messing about at home.
Not surprisingly, my seven-string does the Death Metal thing for me, and does it quite well along with all other styles in terms of sound. Also it's phenomenal playability makes it well suited for the fairly technical riffs I write for that band.
But, with my other band it's just plain ol' punky rock'n'roll in standard E, and in that style, my seven doesn't fit and that where my washburn comes in. It's a Gibson Explorer style axe which plays nicely and has a great classic rock sound to it. It also really looks the part.
By looking the part, I mean I can hang it low and still play it well. I have the seven hanging a few inches above the waist, in true prog dork fashion, and that doesn't look terribly cool if you just wanna RAWK!!1
I'm not sure if this post is very coherent, but I hope you can see my point :)
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Guitars are tools for making art. If it's the right tool for the job in terms of expressing what you want to express in the manner that you want to express it then it's a good tool. Arguing about a particular brand of guitar is like saying oil based paints are superior to watercolors. That's simply not true if you're really into watercolors.
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Guitars are tools for making art. If it's the right tool for the job in terms of expressing what you want to express in the manner that you want to express it then it's a good tool. Arguing about a particular brand of guitar is like saying oil based paints are superior to watercolors. That's simply not true if you're really into watercolors.
You're absolutely right. I guess I just need to grow up and get over my "Fenders-are-bland-and-boring" pet peeve, or at least just shut up about it.
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On the subject of metal, metal should only ever be played on a Yavcon Custom #4, to wit:
(http://yavcon0.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/c1bod.jpg)
(http://yavcon0.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/tony_live.gif)
(http://yavcon0.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/c1head.jpg)
(http://yavcon0.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/c1full.jpg)
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That thing can defend it's own damn self.
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I was going to say "that's one of the ugliest guitars I've ever seen."
But then I realised; I've seen much, much, much worse.
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
And you said all you owned was Fender guitars? Get real dude, you're the fanboy here, not the rest of us.
Dude, you're a fucking retard. When the hell did I say I only owned Fender? I even fucking told you about my Ibanez's.
How about Westone, Simon & Patrick, Yamaha, Teisco Del Ray, Univox, and Epiphone? I'm pretty sure Fender doesn't make those.
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
Why is it idiotic to play one kind of guitar?
It's not idiotic per se.. Just limiting.
That's insane.
Let's say Fenders are my preferred guitars. So I'll play them, right? And because I like them so much, I have no need for any other guitars. Why is it limiting when I have no desire or requirement for any further brand of guitar?
Eventually you're gonna want a pair of 'buckers. So you either go out and buy something with 'em, or you get another strat and shove humbuckers in it, lol.
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I was going to say "that's one of the ugliest guitars I've ever seen."
But then I realised; I've seen much, much, much worse.
Dude, you should see the guitar I use for slide. That thing looks like a fucking Jazzmaster abortion.
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I see your Lakland and rise you a Rickenbacker 4003
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2/ffgtthttghyujjfdss/4003.jpg)
WINNER. why? because it's a rickenbacker bass. basses always win.
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I would pretty much commit high treason for a Rickenbacker.
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Rickenbackers are sex, and they are also high on the list of "guitars I love, but why would I buy one?"
On that list:
- Gretsch
- D'Angelico
- Rickenbacker
- Any Gibson hollowbody ever.
I play too much distorted metal/rock stuff to merit one of those.
Anyway, I really love the repartee in the first part of this thread. Gibson breaks easily? Answer: buy Fender. My waffles have been roffled! Gibson and Fender are the two best known guitar brands on the planet - but they do completely different things. Gibson is known for set-neck axes with 'buckers or at least P-90s, and often a fat, crunchy sound. Exceptions here and there, but that is really their main motif.
Fender, on the other hand, is the twang-banger's brand. Lightweight bodies, single-coil pups (sometimes humbuckers, but i don't really like the ones Fender uses in the Fat Strats) and - gasp - 21 frets. That's probably my biggest turn-off with Fender guitars. The stock 21 frets. At least give me the Gibson 22 so I can bend to the 24th when I want to.
They're both great guitar makers, and I'm planning to buy a Strat sometime - but I like my LP for now.
To Khar's porcupine guitar: boo for EMG pickups. Real metal players can terrify and crush the weak christian scum with a JTM45 (or a MESA, if you would like) and a guitar with a JB in the bridge. Like, for instance, the guitar I am currently coveting - Jackson SL2H. Mmm. 24 frets, Floyd Rose, and Seymour Duncan pickups. Sex. Of course, I'm the crazy shredding guy, so I love my fast necks and whammy bar antics.
PS - Ibanez is a funny brand. I think they kind of lie about the JEMs and JS models sometimes - the trem on the guitars Satch plays looks like a Floyd, and says "Licensed Floyd Rose" on it - Edge Pro trems (the ones on the JS1200, highest commercially available model of JS) don't have that. Same with Vai's guitar. But they still say it's "100% accurate" and stuff. Go figure.
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If carvin is so hardcore awesome, why don't you just play those?!
Because I'm not an idiot who only plays one kind of guitar like you Ibanez fanboys.
Why is it idiotic to play one kind of guitar?
It's not idiotic per se.. Just limiting.
That's insane.
Let's say Fenders are my preferred guitars. So I'll play them, right? And because I like them so much, I have no need for any other guitars. Why is it limiting when I have no desire or requirement for any further brand of guitar?
Eventually you're gonna want a pair of 'buckers. So you either go out and buy something with 'em, or you get another strat and shove humbuckers in it, lol.
I'm not actually a Fender loyalist, I was just making a point. Teles are my preferred guitars, but I'm not a metal player, so I'm just going to get a Tele custom with buckers in it for any work that requires that. I hate Strats with a passion.
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I was going to say "that's one of the ugliest guitars I've ever seen."
But then I realised; I've seen much, much, much worse.
...Thankyou?
I'd type out that long rant about hating quote tunnels, arguing pointlessly and having no respect for each other, but this is the first and probably last time I'll check out this thread.
Carry on bitches!
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Nix that Lakland, I'm bringing this sonofagun:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/keidis/usedmmsterling2005f.jpg)
I own that sucker now. So grood!
... I hate you.
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THIS JUST IN:
I found a Music Man 93' today, second hand, for chheeaap.
Guess who's going to probably have a new bass guys.
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Is there another kind? *wink wink*
Actually, I was going to buy a Rickenbacker 4003 from a dude I know, but I was too late and he sold it.
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I like the thick neck, it feels more comfortable.
If you want a thumbrest closer to the neck you can just add one (I know fender are selling them) but the pickup is back there for a reason.
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When I am playing up near the neck I just rest my thumb on the side of the neck and play from there. Is this bad bass-fu or something?
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You play on different parts of the bass for different tone effects, so its baisically up to each player.
Some like to play close to the neck because the tone is "thicker" (if you get the right fretless and the right gear its almost a double bass sound), but its all about personal preferences.
I think you should play on the back side (near the pickup) on the Music Man, though, I think it gives a better sound. But that's just me.
Resting your thumb on the side of the neck gets your sound "dirty" with string buzz and other noises, I usually avoid doing that.
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well, when I'm playing bass it is pretty much fuzzed up the wazoo to do the best Acid Bath knockoff I can, so it all works out, really.
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When I am playing up near the neck I just rest my thumb on the side of the neck and play from there. Is this bad bass-fu or something?
Wrapping your thumb around to the back of the neck is great for tapping.
Really helps you dig in and sound clearer.