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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Combinethresher on 05 Jul 2006, 22:23
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So I've been trying out thrash/powerviolence lately, and I can't say I'm a fan. Most of it just sounds like 30 seconds of screaming and guitar feedback, and it's just overall clumsy and overdone.
But, it's the style that underground punk is heading towards, so can anyone recommend some thrash/powerviolence that's actually listenable? As in, "wow this sounds like a short, violent song," as opposed to "wow, this sounds like a punk band and their equipment falling down the stairs." And can anyone explain why anyone likes it in the first place?
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It would be a lot cooler if they called it "ultraviolence". At least then people might mistake it for a Burgess reference and not think the entire scene was culturally illiterate.
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Municipal Waste.
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Spazz is spazztastic!
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Municipal Waste.
exactly what I was going to say.
I'm assuming this is the same stuff as crossover thrash? if so, you need to check out Crumbsuckers, another really cool punk/thrash band.
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It would be a lot cooler if they called it "ultraviolence". At least then people might mistake it for a Burgess reference and not think the entire scene was culturally illiterate.
...but they are, pretty much. Powerviolence is metal for teenage scenesters who are scared of real metal, because real metalheads are creepy.
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Rawr! :[
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Combinetresher: Exactly.
On the otherhand I imagine the mindset is more: KILLE GROWL LOUD NOISES!!!!!! And less some pseudo-intellectual modernist bullshit about challenging conceptions of music. The first is mindless and dull but the latter would be embaressing.
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Spazz is spazztastic!
QFT! QFT!
Also: Yacopsae, Man Is The Bastard and Fuck On The Beach (they're Japanese, they're allowed to have a stupid name).
And of course power violence is somewhat retarded, and not just because of that idiotic genre name. If you listen to Spazz and honestly think that they're 100% serious, you have a problem though.
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there's pretty much nothing right with this thread.
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there's pretty much nothing right with this thread.
Care to explain why?
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well powerviolence was a joke genre name, was pretty different from "thrash" (unless you consider stuff like charles bronson pv, which isn't actually correct) and no one has played anything that could be called "powerviolence" in nearly a decade so I don't see how it could be considered the shape of things to come.
but if you do what to listen to it, try man is the bastard (as that other guy said, though ignore his other two recommendations), crossed out and suppression.
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well powerviolence was a joke genre name, was pretty different from "thrash" (unless you consider stuff like charles bronson pv, which isn't actually correct) and no one has played anything that could be called "powerviolence" in nearly a decade so I don't see how it could be considered the shape of things to come.
but if you do what to listen to it, try man is the bastard (as that other guy said, though ignore his other two recommendations), crossed out and suppression.
In that case, I'd suggest you email To Live A Lie records and tell them they're 10 years out of date.
And generally, I do see the independent punk scene moving towards thrash, which is unfortunate. But it's better than tired Rolling Stones riffs, I guess.
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Weekend Nachos is a local band that I hear is sorta big.
I thought "Powerviolence" was an actual genre, but "emoviolence" was a joke name... whatever, emoviolence is awesome anyways.
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It would be a lot cooler if they called it "ultraviolence". At least then people might mistake it for a Burgess reference and not think the entire scene was culturally illiterate.
The definitive band of the genre would be called 'Alex and the Droogs'. Their first album would be called "Ludovico's Technique' and their hit singles would be "The Old In-Out' and 'A Real Horroshow Tolchock'.
I would totally listen to that band.
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I really wish we had milk bars. Like really, guys. Milk bars.
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That band already exist, and they're called The Lower Class Brats.
Also, power electronics > power violence. Then again I never quite got the distinction between power violence and punky grindcore, if indeed there is one. Seriously though, more people need to listen to stuff like Navicon Torture Technologies, Whitehouse, Sutcliffe Jügend, Deathpile and Folkstorm.
@Jcknbl: (http://www.thefoodhall.es/images/Nestle_Milky_Bar_150g.jpg)?
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The definitive band of the genre would be called 'Alex and the Droogs'. Their first album would be called "Ludovico's Technique' and their hit singles would be "The Old In-Out' and 'A Real Horroshow Tolchock'.
I would totally listen to that band.
Well, see, Th'Droogs' would be considered definitive until Clever Fucks came along with their second record, Gnash. The first single would be called "Shitting Tasers," with the collector's b-side "Tesla Coillll." Every song would sound identical.
Clever Fucks would sell eight records, but every one of those eight buyers would go start their own band.
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i don't care what words some bullshit label throws around to sell records. the only drawback is that it confuses people, i guess, but it really isn't that important.
any direction punk chooses to move in can only make it better at this point. though, again, trash and punk is nothing new. and probably can't get any better than when infest did it however long ago.
there isn't any relation to powerviolence and power electronics. though i can't argue with a whitehouse recommendation.
"punky grindcore" and genres like that aren't legitimate but just an adjective informally tacked on to an already ducious genre name.
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Seriously though, more people need to listen to stuff like Navicon Torture Technologies, Whitehouse, Sutcliffe Jügend, Deathpile and Folkstorm.
Also STROM.ec and Brighter Death Now.
MWhaling is right about there not being a connection. Power Electronics is called Power Electronics because the music sounds like it's made with Black & Decker tools.
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I know there's no connection, I just thought it would be nice if there was one post about noise on this forum that wasn't just about Merzbow. Also, 'punky grindcore' isn't a genre so much as a description. You know how some grind is more punky, some grind more death metaly, some grind more jazzy, etc.
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Brighter Death Now is heavily influenced by Discharge, by the way. He actually has an album called Why / Never Again.
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people would be better of talking about merzbow instead of most things, especially a lot of crappy noise past/present.
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MWhaling, usually when people have nothing importent to say they shut the hell up.
Anyway
Seriously though, more people need to listen to stuff like Whitehouse and Folkstorm
Listen to this man.
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what you you saying, miser?
that you have things to say?
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Dude, just go back to your thread locking thread in the fish forum. You seem to make more of an ass out of yourself there.
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i don't think you've even contributed anything to the thread.
probably you should take notes on my posts.
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It would be a lot cooler if they called it "ultraviolence". At least then people might mistake it for a Burgess reference and not think the entire scene was culturally illiterate.
...but they are, pretty much. Powerviolence is metal for teenage scenesters who are scared of real metal, because real metalheads are creepy.
metal is boring. most of it. most sub-genres of metal are boring. power metal, death metal, etc......................................................... shit like that. boring.
second of all, "real" metalheads are not "creepy" in the least. they're pussies who smoke weed and spend 5 years trying to learn the intro or the most popular guitar wankery technique to one of several metallica songs that were written before 1989 or slayer songs that were written between the hell awaits and reign in blood era. they're all a bunch of dorks who sit around and play D&D 24/7.
as for the question in the first post of this thread:
reversal of man.
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I know there's no connection, I just thought it would be nice if there was one post about noise on this forum that wasn't just about Merzbow. Also, 'punky grindcore' isn't a genre so much as a description. You know how some grind is more punky, some grind more death metaly, some grind more jazzy, etc.
no grind is jazzy. at all.
sorry.
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(http://www.omnology.com/z-nakedcity.jpg)
And you're an arsehole.
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And totally wrong too.
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Go back to fellating Keenan, asshat.
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And totally wrong too.
what grind bands are jazzy?
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Apart from Naked City, there's Watch Me Burn, Cause For Effect, Le Scrawl and a few others. I was mainly referring to the jazz-influenced technical guitar-work a lot of better grind bands use, however.
Please don't jump into a thread slagging off whole genres and their fans when you don't actually know what you're talking about.
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Apart from Naked City, there's Watch Me Burn, Cause For Effect, Le Scrawl and a few others. I was mainly referring to the jazz-influenced technical guitar-work a lot of better grind bands use, however.
Please don't jump into a thread slagging off whole genres and their fans when you don't actually know what you're talking about.
grind bands don't use jazz-influenced technical guitar-work, though......... i do know what i'm talking about. i haven't really gotten too into grind, but i find out whatever info i can find if i am interested in or intrigued by it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grindcore to know more. not trying to be a dick, but when i feel pretty confident in my knowledge in something, i'm most likely to express it.
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Okay.
Have you ever listened to Naked City? At all? Or any of the bands Khar listed? Or are we completely going off of that wikipedia article? Cause last I checked Wikipedia is not the answer to the universe.
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on the topic at hand:
Issei Sagawa
The Mean Reds (half thrash/"pv", half electric lullaby)
Issei Sagawa actually has a few (i think. i know there is at least one) members from the mean reds. they were formed when the mean reds broke up.
and on an interesting side note; they were named after a japanese cannibal of the same name who is now a celebrity in japan after escaping prosecution for killing and eating a fellow student at the school he was attending.
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grind bands don't use jazz-influenced technical guitar-work, though.........
Look, I have barely made an effort to get into grind but I know that some bands incorporate avant-garde jazz elements. It happens.
Also, this thread might get me into some more thrash/grind/powerviolence. And I think if "powerviolence" fits a certain sound, then what the fuck, why not use it?
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Okay.
Have you ever listened to Naked City? At all? Or any of the bands Khar listed? Or are we completely going off of that wikipedia article? Cause last I checked Wikipedia is not the answer to the universe.
no but if either of you would like to send me a song or something by any of those bands, i will be the first to admit i'm wrong, if i feel i am at that point.
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Naked City - Den Of Sins (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=5436D1F946791691)
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spend 5 years trying to learn the intro or the most popular guitar wankery technique to one of several metallica songs that were written before 1989
Well yeah, that's about when they ran out of awesome.
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spend 5 years trying to learn the intro or the most popular guitar wankery technique to one of several metallica songs that were written before 1989
Well yeah, that's about when they ran out of awesome.
no no no, that's when they BROKE UP.
they stopped before they lost their awesome.
*realizes that's not true :(*
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no but if either of you would like to send me a song or something by any of those bands, i will be the first to admit i'm wrong, if i feel i am at that point.
For the wonderful world of fusion grindcore a la Cause For Effect, check out their website's download section: http://www.kolumbus.fi/ari.tenhola/download.htm
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How this managed to get even worse is beyond me.
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or slayer songs that were written between the hell awaits and reign in blood era.
I was always partial to playing the intro to South of Heaven myself...
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Reign in Blood is without question the most overrated metal album ever. Really, the only Slayer albums worth anything are Show No Mercy and South of Heaven. And Kerry King still sucks no matter what era you're talking about.
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Close but the most over rated album has to be Master of Puppets, RiB, may be over hyped, but it does have my favorite Slayer song on it, Postmortem.
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reign in blood deserves every bit of credit it gets you dandies.
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For Reign in Blood to deserve all the credit it has been given, it would need to be a cross between the complete works of Beethoven and the new Messiah.
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it's the closest that metal has or ever will come.
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reign in blood deserves every bit of credit it gets you dandies.
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I like to think of it as one 30 minute track, because the riff barely changes throughout the entire fucking album.
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i like to think of it as one 30 minute track because it flows brilliantly and once you start it there's no reason not to finish it.
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Until you want to listen to a better thrash album.
Before the question is asked, the first two Sabbat albums, any Kreator or Testament album, a good spattering of Exodus, and, indeed, a couple of other Slayer albums. Minimum.
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i've listened to those things (save the sabbat) and none of them come close to reign in blood.
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Well, your taste in music sucks.
Sorry.
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I'm sure that means something to someone.
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Youre still alive?
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Weekend Nachos is a local band that I hear is sorta big.
CRAZY STALLION!!!
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I really wish we had milk bars. Like really, guys. Milk bars.
We have milkbars in Australia. Its kinda weird
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try man is the bastard (as that other guy said, though ignore his other two recommendations), crossed out and suppression.
Fuck On The Beach should never be ignored, they're just too much damned fun. Fuck on beach! Be a man!
Incidentally, I've always reckoned Man Is The Bastard to be one of the best band names of all time. Sort of says it all really.
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Man, I am so fucking glad Mwhaling fucked off.
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Thanks for telling us...
What is Powerviolence anyways?
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Hurting people with power tools.
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Thanks for telling us...
What is Powerviolence anyways?
Man Is The Bastard, basically. They made it up as a joke genre name and then other people started using it, which they thought really dumb but was so obviously going to happen (pretty much the exact same thing happened when In/Humanity thought it would be funny to invent emoviolence). Think fast, sloppy, heavy hardcore. Vocalists who sound like the cookie monster may be involved, there'll almost certainly be lots of silly humour and of course as with all good things of this ilk the Japanese took to it like ducks to water.
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khar, perhaps you wouldn't be so offended if you bothered to learn something about music ouside of some specific microcosm. you're certainly not entitled you to spreading your misguided opinions on anything other than bad metal acts.
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I am sorry I am not an opinionated arsehole Mwhaling ;_;
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oh it undoubtedly has more to do with this:
Municipal Waste.
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Rawr! :[
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That band already exist, and they're called The Lower Class Brats.
Also, power electronics > power violence. Then again I never quite got the distinction between power violence and punky grindcore, if indeed there is one. Seriously though, more people need to listen to stuff like Navicon Torture Technologies, Whitehouse, Sutcliffe Jügend, Deathpile and Folkstorm.
@Jcknbl: (http://www.thefoodhall.es/images/Nestle_Milky_Bar_150g.jpg)?
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I know there's no connection, I just thought it would be nice if there was one post about noise on this forum that wasn't just about Merzbow. Also, 'punky grindcore' isn't a genre so much as a description. You know how some grind is more punky, some grind more death metaly, some grind more jazzy, etc.
if there's a genre you're unfamiliar with, you shouldn't feel obligated to contibute to a "recommendations" thread. you'll just confuse the person looking for recommndations.
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You're saying Municipal Waste aren't a thrash band?
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i'm saying that munical waste have nothing to do with powerviolence.
argue that the thread asked for thrash/powerviolence recommendations, and you'll also be mistaken, because by including the "powerviolence" part of the request, the request looked more towards dropdead and maybe even seige than munical waste.
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A fair enough contention, I see your POV.
You're still a turd of a person though, and that's my final comment here.
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well, my final comment is that you eagerly jumped into an unfamiliar territory and can't bear the fact that you were wrong.
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A fair enough contention, I see your POV.
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You're still a turd of a person though.
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Oh god are we going into this again?
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Until you want to listen to a better thrash album.
Before the question is asked, the first two Sabbat albums, any Kreator or Testament album, a good spattering of Exodus, and, indeed, a couple of other Slayer albums. Minimum.
I'm comming into this a bit late, must have missed the topic, but I never really got into Sabbat. "History of Time to Come" is good, but something about it has always put me off. Can't really put my finger on what it is though.
The pinacle of Thrash for me is "Darkness Descends" by Dark Angel.
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Oh god are we going into this again?
Nope, because he's been banned.
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The pinacle of Thrash for me is "Darkness Descends" by Dark Angel.
Dude. YES.
I still like Testament better, but that is a super good album anyway.
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Head Wound City or very early Blood Brothers, like rumors laid waste
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Charles Bronson are really good.