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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: akd on 13 Jul 2006, 08:41
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Does anyone ever think they'll get back together?
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with dirty pretty things and babyshambles going on i don't think so. which really is a good thing.
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Babyshambles is barely held together as it is, and Pete did start the group while he was still with the Libertines, so it wouldn't be that crazy.
Yeti is the bigger distraction i think
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Does anyone ever think they'll get back together?
No, thank goodness.
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No way!
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Sure they will. It's inevitable. As long as Pete doesn't die first.
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Man, I hope Pete doesn't die. He'll be this generation's Cobain.
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just because they are both [something] it doesn't mean they have anything in common.
eh...
but you're right. that's just about where the similarities end.
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doherty is an ignoramus but cobain at least had a valuable knowledge of underground music and a pro-female attitude.
Doherty got 11 A* GCSE's, 4 A's at A level (for those who don't know the British system, those are pretty much the best achievements you can get before Uni), he won a NATIONAL poetry contest and got to visit Russia with the British Consulate paying. He is in no way an ignoramus.
And what the hell does a pro-female attitude have towards anything? Is Pete D some kind of secret raging sexist mysoginitic git or something?[/quote]
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Doherty just doesn't have enough appeal outside of the UK to be this generation's Cobain.
Plus, Kurt didn't draw pictures with people's blood.
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he did use sperm, piss and blood while writing letters to courtney if i'm not mistaking?
and doherty might have learning capabilities but he acts like a retard now. so he's stupid. he might have won a poetry contest but his lyrics suck..and i suppose there has never been any evidence of musical talent?
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just because they are both [something] it doesn't mean they have anything in common.
eh...
but you're right. that's just about where the similarities end.
I think the point was more that they'll be worshipped by millions of annoying fucks when they die rather than any comparison between the living Doherty and Cobain. God knows that irritating junkie gets enough attention, if he dies before his popularity wanes further he'll be a demigod, immortalised in pop culture legend, and insufferably annoying long after he's rotted away.
Also the Libertines were pretty bad so I'm with Khar.
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he did use sperm, piss and blood while writing letters to courtney if i'm not mistaking?
Maybe, but this (http://www.thesuperficial.com/2006/04/28/pete_doherty_injects_drugs_int_1.html) is (http://www.thesuperficial.com/2006/05/01/pete_doherty_still_a_free_man.html) just (http://www.thesuperficial.com/2006/05/08/pete_doherty_displays_blood_pa.html) weird (http://www.thesuperficial.com/2006/05/17/pete_doherty_sprays_his_blood.html).
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You are aware that the police arrested him, but released him after the woman in the photo came forward and admitted she was concious at the time, and he wasn't injecting her, he was actually pulling her blood for us in art. This was corroborated by 6 different witnesses.
So, weird, but not weirder than a lot of artists
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But the squirting of blood into an interviewer's camera, that goes beyond wieird and into the realm of first-rate prat-ness.
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Yeah, he's an addict, and does crazy shit. Difference between him and some addict rockers is Dohertys trying to get clean, and seems to be succeeding this time. Check out his interview with Jonothan Ross from last friday on youtube, he's really cleaned up. For now
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His lyrics don't suck, a lot of the Libertines stuff was great, yes he is now an idiot. Babyshambles is a joke. DPT are essentially 'Episode II - The Libertine Strikes Back'. I hope he doesn't die because in England, at least, he will get even MORE notoreity and probably loads of respect from people which he doesn't deserve becase he's so shit nowadays.
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I think what puts a lot of people off his music is the way he sings it, kinda chaotic. People should listen to Adam Greens cover of 'What A Waster', to appreciate the lyrics in a smoother style.
And Babyshambles are bad musically live, but when I've seen them they do get the crowd going pretty well. And their album is better musically. Probably each song takes 34 takes though
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Haha, Wossy's suggestion of using the gypsy caravan at the bottom of his garden was the funniest bit of that interview.
No they won't reunite, nor should they, everyone else involved is quite capable without him.
Doherty is not a complete waste of space (not quite) but is clearly in need of help, preferably in the confines of the prison system.
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I think what puts a lot of people off his music is the way he sings it, kinda chaotic. People should listen to Adam Greens cover of 'What A Waster', to appreciate the lyrics in a smoother style.
This is something I forgot to mention. I like his voice, not his singing style. I think if he bothered to sing in tune his songs could be true classics. But he doesn't. This is worst with Babyshambles in particular.
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Haha, Wossy's suggestion of using the gypsy caravan at the bottom of his garden was the funniest bit of that interview.
Since you've seen it, didn't you think he seemed so much cleaner now than he has in the past? Either the BBC has an amazing make up crew, or he's genuinely getting clean
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Haha, Wossy's suggestion of using the gypsy caravan at the bottom of his garden was the funniest bit of that interview.
Since you've seen it, didn't you think he seemed so much cleaner now than he has in the past? Either the BBC has an amazing make up crew, or he's genuinely getting clean
Wasn't he arrested for doing drugs on a plane about a week ago?
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No, the airport officials claimed they saw a needle, and held him, but the police found no evidence, and when he was teseted, all he had taken was his prescribed methadone, and even that he did before he got on the plane.
But if you knew Pete Doherty was on your plane, woulnd't you think he had drugs?
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You are aware that the police arrested him, but released him after the woman in the photo came forward and admitted she was concious at the time, and he wasn't injecting her, he was actually pulling her blood for us in art.
something to the effect where he was using blood in artwork, followed by some links that went through that entire story with the addition of the blood on the camera
I don't think he's a fantastic songwriter. If you like him, more power to you, but whatever.
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Well, the links you gave were to a gossip site, and the writer of the articles clearly didn't believe his story, and seemed to think he definitely was injecting drugs into her, so I misunderstood your meaning
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i don't think pete will ever be the next cobain. not enough people know who he is outside of brittian. *shrug*
edit: ok, didn't know that many people over yonder liked cobain. i'm not from england. /edit
but i don't really care. i do like their music, but if they stay broken up, whatev. they broke up for some reason.
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like every fucking last one of them? nirvana was huge in brittain if i remember correct and they've played some of their best performances there.
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Nirvana were and still are HUGE in Britain
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Man, the Libertines are so poo, I hope they all die.
That means I won't have to listen to Dirty Pretty Things or Gheybyshambles! (see what I did there...?)
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Do I fail some sort of hipster test by admitting I enjoy listening to The Libertines, Dirty Pretty Things, and (a very select few) Babyshambles songs?
Pete Doherty is a drug addict. Pete Doherty is a cock. Pete Doherty is a so out of his mind, he can't pull together and be a decent musician that often. But when he does, he can, in fact, write a decent song, and has a slurred singing style that (I don't know whether this is good or not) is reminiscent of Rancid.
Dirty Pretty Things are basically just the Libertines without Doherty dragging them down. Babyshambles are the Libertines without Barat keeping their heads above water.
All I'm saying is that he is a decent songwriter and musician. I just hope that the thousands of kids who idolise him (and way overhype him, to be fair), don't act like he was a genius who died before his time when he ODs (and I'm betting he will), like (for some bizarre reason) so many do with Cobain. In my heart, though, I think they will, though.
It's taking all my strength not to turn this post into how much of a talentless, infantile, overhyped fuck-up Cobain was, so I can't resist just having at least this paragraph at the end.
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Well, if it makes you feel any better, he apologized for being overhyped. In a pretty drastic manner.
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Suicide is never a solution
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Suicide is never a solution
Sssh not so loud.
Phil Collins might hear you.
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hehe, I bet he was thinking "Will this make me indie?"
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I think the point was more that they'll be worshipped by millions of annoying fucks when they die rather than any comparison between the living Doherty and Cobain. God knows that irritating junkie gets enough attention, if he dies before his popularity wanes further he'll be a demigod, immortalised in pop culture legend, and insufferably annoying long after he's rotted away.
But do people anywhere in the world really have the same emotional connection with Doherty that they did with Nirvana? Is there some grand cult over in Britain that feel defined by Doherty? I know it's not that way over here, obviously, but I don't know.
Sssh not so loud.
Phil Collins might hear you.
Suicide wouldn't be an option there... because his music would still be around. The only solution here would be to go back in time and kill his grandpa so as to save us all from crappy Disney soundtracks.
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Or you could just not listen to them. Radical solution, I know.
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I think the point was more that they'll be worshipped by millions of annoying fucks when they die rather than any comparison between the living Doherty and Cobain. God knows that irritating junkie gets enough attention, if he dies before his popularity wanes further he'll be a demigod, immortalised in pop culture legend, and insufferably annoying long after he's rotted away.
But do people anywhere in the world really have the same emotional connection with Doherty that they did with Nirvana? Is there some grand cult over in Britain that feel defined by Doherty? I know it's not that way over here, obviously, but I don't know.
There are some, I'm sure.
It would probably be worse if Brian Molko killed himself though.
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Sssh not so loud.
Phil Collins might hear you.
Suicide wouldn't be an option there... because his music would still be around. The only solution here would be to go back in time and kill his grandpa so as to save us all from crappy Disney soundtracks.
I will take having to listen to every crappy Disney songtrack in the word as long as we still have The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
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Pete Doherty is atypical fatal flaw sort of guy. Libertines are a very good band. I don't know why it's cool to hate them.
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'we' don't hate them because it's cool. we hate them because they were crap and brought a little bunch of babies along with them. (well, except for carl barat voice)
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I think most minds are made up but give this link 10 minutes and hopefully it might change just one mind about the subject. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeEZA68yys0&search=pete%20doherty%20ross
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Once you get past the fact that he's a totally fucking moron who doesn't really deserve to live, his music is quite fun to listen to.
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i like the libertines. i couldn't really care less if he is a douche, cuz its not like i'm ever in contact with him....
blood paintings WTF! get some fucking acrylics, blood is not a good artistic medium. learn how to paint like a real man.
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I will take having to listen to every crappy Disney songtrack in the word as long as we still have The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
So here's the solution as I see it: We go back in time and, as soon as Genesis splits, we "disappear" Phil Collins.
That way, we have Genesis' albums, "Sledgehammer," and no "You'll Be In My Heart." I'm a genius.
Pete Doherty is one of those guys that makes great things despite being a douche. See also: Dane Cook.
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I actually don't like the Libertines musically at all.
I don't like the Waaa Waaa Waaa lyrics.
I don't like the fact that they took garage and made it stupid (edit: instrumentally, yes I know they reference Wilde lyrically, when they're not scatting).
I don't like Doherty's voice.
And I think that Doherty, personally, is despicable.
In sum: Not a fan of the Libertines.
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So, let's spend the rest of this thread talking about how great Genesis were before Hackett and Gabriel left the band.
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yes I know they reference Wilde lyrically
So, basically, the Libertines are The Smiths all over again, but someone found an even bigger twunt than Morrisey to front the whole show?
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Man, I hope Pete doesn't die. He'll be this generation's Cobain.
So true. Cobain was talented but overrated but nothing on a par with Doherty. He sucks badly but is worshiped. People are dumb.
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So, basically, the Libertines are The Smiths all over again, but someone found an even bigger twunt than Morrisey to front the whole show?
I love the Smiths, but one of my pet peeves about them is that Morrissey often just goes "hey look, I read Wilde". I did love the song where he namedrops Wilde, Keats and Yeats AND manages to fuck up the spelling on the song's title.
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I thought he did it on purpose as some sort of silly statement or to be an arse.
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While we're talking about the Smiths, when the hell did Morrissey get fat? I saw some interview with him in 1995 where he was still skinny as hell, but sometime in the nineties he just became the fat has-been he is now. When did that happen, and why did it happen?
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Well he did move to America...
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That is something that baffles me (about Alec Baldwin too), how the fuck does a vegan get fat?
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You got to hand it to 'em, it takes a lot of skill to become a fat vegan.
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So... we worship Pink Floyd (drugs much?) but hate Pete Doherty for it? Yes, I see the sense.
It's not that I'm saying his music is great or whatever. I think that the drug bit is not as important as people make out.
*random*
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You got to hand it to 'em, it takes a lot of skill to become a fat vegan.
Drugs, alcohol, chocolate and big tubs of Soy butter.
Also, on the Floyd front, there is a huuuuuuge difference between opiates and hallucinogens.
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I'm pretty sure Morrissey is too big a sissy to do drugs or too much alcohol, but the rest seem reasonable, except chocolate, which contains milk.
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Hmm, I like Dirty Pretty Things a bit, mostly the song "You Fucking Love It" thats a fun song. I think people have a tendancie to exagerate the characteristics of famous people, and will believe what they want to, I dont know much about Dohetry but from what people said about him he doesn't seem so one sided and he has his good sides. Granted he does not seem like a great guy.
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an even bigger twunt than Morrisey
Woah. Let's not say anything we can't take back, guys.
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Indeed, when was the last time Doherty boycotted an entire country, and compared killing seals as a means of making enough money to the Holocaust?
Not that Doherty isn't a fucking twat.
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So... we worship Pink Floyd (drugs much?) but hate Pete Doherty for it? Yes, I see the sense.
Congratulations, you just stuck your foot in your mouth.
Despite them being seen as a 'drug band,' drugs played very little part in Pink Floyd's music. None of them took LSD after Syd's breakdown, they smoked dope yes, but very rarely, and there were never class As lying around the studio, if anywhere else. The Floyd were not a drug band, at least not post-1967.
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Clarification: they were not known for finding their inspiration in drugs in the the '70s. I'm sure if you took the total amount of LSD, ludes, shrooms and cannabis consumed by people listening to Pink Floyd in the '70s, you could fuck the world up every day forever.
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What the hell does that have to do with hating Pete Doherty for being a crack-addicted cock jockey?
Is it being implied that we're hypocrites for liking Pink Floyd despite their fans being druggies, but hating Pete Doherty for being a druggy?
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Well, I suppose if you're making the assumption that Pink Floyd fans are druggies, and that the people here bashing Doherty for being a druggy are Pink Floyd fans, then there is some hypocrisy.
Of course, that requires some pretty major assumptions and generalisations to be true.
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What the hell does that have to do with hating Pete Doherty for being a crack-addicted cock jockey?
Is it being implied that we're hypocrites for liking Pink Floyd despite their fans being druggies, but hating Pete Doherty for being a druggy?
Not at all. I think comparing Pink Floyd and Pete Doherety is absurd. I think Doherty is rubbish, and Pink Floyd are one of the most significant things to happen to music in the past 50 years. I also think that this would be true regardless of what the members of Pink Floyd, Doherty or their respective fans consumed. I was just disambiguating the phrase "drug band". I was actually aiming for funny/ironic.
EDIT: Also, as I said before I don't dislike Doherty because he's got an on-again/off-again relationship with horse. I dislike him because he's a creepy pasty small talent fuckwad that shoots his own blood at cameramen, and draws blood from semi-comatose groupies while his best buds take photographs for posterity.
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Well, I suppose if you're making the assumption that Pink Floyd fans are druggies, and that the people here bashing Doherty for being a druggy are Pink Floyd fans, then there is some hypocrisy.
Of course, that requires some pretty major assumptions and generalisations to be true.
Well, exactly. This is basically all I could glean from eternie's post combined with Moiche. Although ignoring his, eternie's still makes no sense.
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Guys, guys, guys. We're losing focus.
The topic of the thread is "Discuss Pete Doherty's Inherently Douchebaggy Nature." Isn't it?
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I don't know. There's some debate about whether Doherty was born an unbelievable douchebag, or whether he was born with a predisposition toward douchebaggery which was then exacerbated when he made conscious choices to be a total twat.
We may never know the truth.
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I'm pretty sure Morrissey is too big a sissy to do drugs or too much alcohol, but the rest seem reasonable, except chocolate, which contains milk.
Dude, I can totally see Morrisey, just like, lying on a divan, stuffing himself with plain chocolate treats and guzzling red wine, crying and writing songs that try to find that old balance between gloom and camp once more, but fail no matter how hard he tries because he can't find a decent guitarist.
I can also see Morrisey going to his fridge and eating a tub of vegetarian ice cream every time someone says something bad about him. So, a lot.
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I don't know. There's some debate about whether Doherty was born an unbelievable douchebag, or whether he was born with a predisposition toward douchebaggery which was then exacerbated when he made conscious choices to be a total twat.
We may never know the truth.
Sig quote!
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I'm pretty sure Morrissey is too big a sissy to do drugs or too much alcohol, but the rest seem reasonable, except chocolate, which contains milk.
Dude, I can totally see Morrisey, just like, lying on a divan, stuffing himself with plain chocolate treats and guzzling red wine, crying and writing songs that try to find that old balance between gloom and camp once more, but fail no matter how hard he tries because he can't find a decent guitarist.
I can also see Morrisey going to his fridge and eating a tub of vegetarian ice cream every time someone says something bad about him. So, a lot.
I just spit my coke all over myself, nice work THAT is hilarious.