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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Ernest on 27 Nov 2006, 05:53
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Just wondering. I've heard him lauded all over this board, and I tried listening to him, but I just don't like him. He's boring to me. Anyone else share my opinion?
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No, nobody, ever. This is not a place to form your own opinions. This is a place for us as a collective to form one opinion. We will now be mean to you for forever because you're *shudder* different.
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Thread over.
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I have Illinois and Michigan, and while I will admit they are both catchy, I am not impressed by either.
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Dude, he's writing songs about every state in the US. I'm sure he'll get around to Tibet eventually.
Personally, Sufjan's been pretty much all I've listened to lately. I think he's great. You can't tell me "John Wayne Gacy, Jr." is a truly haunting song (well, of course you COULD, but..).
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I don't dislike him, per se, but I couldn't get into his music when I tried.
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I don't dislike him, per se, but I couldn't get into his music when I tried.
I'm in the same boat.
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I did not want to like Sufjan Stevens, let alone actually listen to him. I guess it was sheer music nerd pride--if someone so great could exist without my prior knowledge, it couldn't be good. Furthermore, if I never heard it, it would always remain terrible in my mind.
I picked up Michigan when I saw it used at my local record store. I liked it. Then I listened to it more and I really liked it. Then I went mad one day and bought 5 or 6 albums, with Illinois on the top of the pile. I listened to it two times in a row and thought to myself, "well, shit...it's better than Michigan." This is one of those times when I think all the hype and critic heavy petting was spot on the money.
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I like Sufjan Stevens
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I like Sufjan Stevens
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He's like Marmite. While you're supposed to either like him or hate him, he's actually - although an interesting concept - rather bland and uninteresting.
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I dislike Sufjan Stevens.
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He has sopme really well written songs, but I believe he is completely overrated. Like, woah.
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He's like Marmite. While you're supposed to either like him or hate him, he's actually - although an interesting concept - rather bland and uninteresting.
Thank you. My sentiments exactly.
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No, I don't dislike Sufjan Stevens.
But thank you for showing an interest.
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I believe your question has been answered: Yes. Someone here dislikes Sufjan Stevens.
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Personally, I think Sufjan Stevens represents all this is bland and turgid in modern independent music.
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(http://www.hcs.ohio-state.edu/hcs300/gif/turgid.gif)
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I can't be bothered to pirate his music.
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I dislike Sufjan Stevens.
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I want to have Sufjan Steven's gae babies whether or not I'll admit it openly. I can barely contain myself.
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(http://www.hcs.ohio-state.edu/hcs300/gif/turgid.gif)
2. Swelling in style or language; bombastic, pompous; as, "a turgid style of speaking."
(http://www.jacneed.com/PhotoFile/Bea_Arthur.jpg)
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I need to project my love of pussy-ass music onto people with testicles.
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I like Sufjan Stevens, I just haven't been bothered to listen to him in many months. I'm sure I'll get around to it yet.
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I need to cling to something. Anything. Sufjan helps
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I neither like nor dislike Sufjan Stevens.
I like and dislike parts of Sufjan Stevens his music.
I mean what is it with the whole "having to like everything an artist ever did before you can say you like them"?
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I am listening to Michigan right now and masturbating furiously to violent, objectifying porn while thinking up sexist jokes and drinking Bud Light, and wearing a hat that says "Wine 'em Dine 'em Sixty-Nine 'em" just to spite all of you. Sufjan Stevens is manly music for manly men!! Have you ever seen the guy?? He's pretty ugly, but sad, beautiful things come out of him, like fresh smelling farts from the ass of a diseased weeping willow tree. Yeah, trees don't have asses with which to fart from. Sue me, why don't you?!
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Dude, he's writing songs about every state in the US. I'm sure he'll get around to Tibet eventually.
How is it that I'm the only person to have found this funny?
edit: I like Sufjan Stevens, there are only few songs of his I don't approve of. (I'm staying away from the Christmas Box Set like the plague)
The thing I like the most about him is how verbose his albums are. They seem to last forever, so I've taken to starting listening to them from random tracks, since it's unlikely I'll get around to listening to all of them otherwise. That's how I found Romulus on Michigan after months of owning the album. It basically means that Sufjan's albums have a much longer replayability factor than bands such as the Decemberists, where I find I can only listen to an album (i.e. Picaresque) only a couple of times a month, or I get bored of it.
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"OH, looky, this guy writes about unusual things and uses long words and song titles how ORIGINAL"
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Was that sarcasm? Because I'm pretty sure writing about unusual things counts as original.
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I'm going to write an insipid singer-songwriter album about all the things I step on during the day! It's going to be so amazing!
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drinking Bud Light
There's your problem right there.
As for Sufjan, I like him. Don't really know what more to say.
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I still don't get it, Khar. Are you saying that Sufjan isn't original, or that originality isn't important?
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No, I'm pretty sure he's saying that some things don't get songs written about them because there don't need to be any songs written about them, yet that's what Sufjan Stevens keeps writing songs about.
Now I feel like writing a song about how some people keep writing songs about things that don't get songs written about them because there don't need to be any songs written about them.
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No, I'm pretty sure he's saying that some things don't get songs written about them because there don't need to be any songs written about them, yet that's what Sufjan Stevens keeps writing songs about.
Pretty much. Also, that writing songs about unusual things isn't really terribly original. Each individual thing may be original, but tons of people have written about random esoteric things before. You can't claim originality just because you're the first ever person to write a ballad about balancing six club flyers on a can of aerosol or something.
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I'd argue that you can. Originality is doing something that's not been done before, even if it is abysmally mundane.
Now, I don't claim to be some huge repetoir of knowledge about the subject of Sufjan's lyrics, I only own Illinois and Michigan, and I don't pay much attention to the actual wording of most songs, so I can't say I know what they're all about.
What I can say, however, is that I enjoy Sufjan's singing and instrumentation. So if it's alright with you, I'm going to go ahead and listen to him anyway.
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I would argue that his song titles are just as often red herrings as they are actually about 'unusual' things you would assume they're about due to the title. In the end, it doesn't matter, because I still like him. I will admit that he needs to change up his style a bit, though, and that two albums of Illinois material was way too much.
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Because Khar, it is ever so original to scream your percieved ills of society over over-distorted guitars!
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Because Khar, it is ever so original to scream your percieved ills of society over over-distorted guitars!
Except that if, you know, you knew anything about metal as a genre, it would be obvious that it is so ridiculously broad that those descriptors don't come anywhere near to encompassing a fraction of what metal bands do artistically.
But thanks for playing!
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Because Khar, it is ever so original to scream your percieved ills of society over over-distorted guitars!
Even if the metal bands I enjoy do not have any particular lyrical originality (and many of them do) it would be made up for by the fact that they have well written and original music that is often pushing boundaries or achieving high levels of technical excellence and accomplishment. The only metal bands that rely on lyrical gimmicks (omg i will write an album about every state oh my how quirky and hip i am so amazing omg omg) tend to be jokes. You don't see me feteing Lawnmower Deth as the greatest thing since sliced bread.
The point I am making is that Sufjan is not some sort of musical god because he has decided to write songs about unusual things. At the end of the day, his voice is unspectacular and posseses no inherent charm and power and his musical arrangements are shallow, pedestrian and bland. His actual lyricism is average and all his songs sound fucking identical. This is not to say his music is unpleasant, I could listen to it happily, but it is neither interesting, innovative nor engaging. If I were to pick up my guitar right now and slap a few fingerpicked blues progressions to a song I wrote in twenty minutes about an amusing prank at my halls of residence, I would be entirely as original as Sufjan Stevens.
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Anyone else dislike Bright Eyes? I dislike him.
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I like when people pronounce their opinions in a way that suggests they are absolute fact. I'm not saying I'm right and Khar is wrong, I'm just saying I don't like when people express their opinions and insinuate that I (and others) have fallen for some kind of musical con artist who has 'convinced' a lot of people he is amazing, when he is actually "unoriginal", "gimmicky", "shallow", and all of his songs sound "fucking identical."
I know, I know. I'm taking this too seriously, and too personally, and it is your opinion; I know you're not trying to say it is FACT that we should all bow to. But still...
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Forget I said anything. All we're going to do is sit here arguing back and forth about our opinions. I fully accept the fact that people can think Sufjan is unoriginal shit. I'm ok with it, really I am.
I'm gunna go suck my thumb in a corner and hope Khar doesn't come murder me. :laugh:
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No, no, it is okay to express your opinion. I merely posted that image because I saw this moving into flame-war territory.
As far as Sufjan goes, I think it's very interesting and compelling that he uses the history of each state to explore the human condition. I also consider his music to be very well-written and performed, for the most part. I just wish the bastard would focus.
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I haven't heard alot of Sufjan, but if the purpose of art is to provide momentary transendence from our fate, then 'Chicago' is art and delivers what is needed - a hymn, an assertiton of transience that lifts you out of it for a second and lets you almost accept your fate or the fate of your loved one.
In other words i played it when my grandfather died and my mother cried and i played it on repeat and the death thoughts got a bit easier. So art... he's a Christian, he can write a hymn
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Here's an article I wrote for the Maroon, the Univeristy of Chicago newspaper:
http://maroon.uchicago.edu/online_edition/viewpoints/2006/11/21/lets-be-objective-here-sufjan-stevens-sucks/
I hate Sufjan Stevens, and I?m not afraid to admit it.
I realize that since I go to school in the state of Illinois, saying that could get me trampled by an angry horde of indie kids. Maybe they are members of the Facebook group ?I Chose UChicago Because of Sufjan Stevens? or one of the hundreds of other groups dedicated to Sufjan. But whenever someone goes on a diatribe about how awesome Sufjan is, I have one question that has yet to be fully answered: ?Why??
You?d think that with all the inane comments, screaming female fans, and accolades, people would be able to explain why they like Sufjan. Instead, people seem surprised to be asked that question in the first place.
Some of the answers I?ve heard: ?His music is pretty.? Beethoven?s music is pretty, but I don?t think anyone would choose the U of C because the CSO performs a rousing rendition of the Fifth. Another one is ?he?s a multi-instrumentalist.? So is the guy playing the tuba and a cymbal on the Chicago street corner for change; I don?t see any 17-year-olds throwing their bras at that guy.
Let?s look at Illinois for a moment. Despite so many claims that the album ?defined Illinois,? there is absolutely no musical trace of Illinois in the album. If you were going to make an album about Illinois, wouldn?t you want to include music made famous by Illinois, like, you know, Chicago blues? Instead, Sufjan made a chamber-pop album without any hint of Illinois-themed music and justified it by creating lyrics devoted to factoids about Illinois that can easily be found on Wikipedia.
Illinois is less about the state of Illinois and more about Sufjan Stevens. While the indie press has praised the album, it?s not really all that different from the praise they gave to Greetings from Michigan or Seven Swans, Sufjan?s past albums. So why is Illinois the first Sufjan album to chart, to cause hundreds of Facebook groups to start, and to propel Sufjan to the height of the indie world?
To find the answer, look to Sufjan?s film counterpart in overrated indie stars: Zach Braff. Like Sufjan, Braff has been called the voice of his generation, a title his flick Garden State doesn?t merit. The reason Braff is called that is not because he is the voice of his generation, but because he seems to be. Braff has called himself the voice of his generation, and since he tried to express that in a movie, who are we to question him?
Although I must confess my iTunes playlist is dominated by indie stars of the ?80s such as the Minutemen, H?sker D?, and Mudhoney, I would be an idiot if I joined the many who claimed that indie bands were so much better then and that the fame of Nirvana and the Internet killed indie rock. What I will claim, however, is that technological changes have dramatically altered standards in indie music. In the ?80s, even buying a guitar was a struggle. Now, anyone with a couple hundred bucks can buy a guitar and quality computer software and make a complete album.
While this change is amazing in that it democratizes the process of making music, it also serves to dramatically increase competition for gaining attention. As a result, gaining fame has become more based on asserting superiority over the rest of the pack and less based on letting the music speak for itself. People like Zach Braff have succeeded more for their claims of changing the world than for actually changing it.
While Sufjan has not made an overt claim of his superiority, his claim to fame is his absurdly pretentious and unmanageable 50 states project. While Greetings from Michigan characterized the state much better, Illinois was more famous simply because it meant that Sufjan was actually pursuing the project.
Let?s put Sufjan?s goal in perspective. He is 31 years old, and to accomplish his goal, he would have to release 48 more albums. Now let?s compare him to the most accomplished performer in rock and roll history?Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan is 65, and he has released a total of 37 original albums?11 of which he released before he turned 31. Considering the short life span of indie bands fame and the fact that Sufjan continues to release Christian albums and outtakes from other state albums, he?ll be lucky to release five state albums.
Of course, if Sufjan were to accomplish his goal, it would be the greatest accomplishment in pop music history. Yet as someone who grew up in Michigan and spent his entire musical career recording in Brooklyn, he?d have no connection to any of the states he wrote albums about. But at least the goal seems like it would be a big accomplishment; at this point in history, bark, not bite, is the key to artistic fame.
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I'm starting to get sick of Sufjan's voice, but he is pretty damn good at writing songs and composing instrumentation.
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A few comments:
1) Did Braff ever claim he was the voice of his generation?? I have never heard that before.
2) You're confusing the praise and audience of Sufjan, which you don't like, with his music, which you don't make much criticism of at all.
3) Do screaming teenage girls really go to Sufjan concerts?? Do screaming girls even exist anymore??
4) Who said that the album defined Illinois?? Some actual critic in another magazine, or just some idiot on Facebook??
5) Even if Braff and Sufjan danced on stage together shouting "we are your voice, generation of our's!" it doesn't change the fact that I think the Illinois album is amazing and Garden State is a good movie. Sure, Garden State may not hold up to the all time greats, but when you compare it to 90% of the other smash hit movies of today that teens and young adults flock to, it's like fucking Citizen Kane.
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I don't understand. A bunch of people keep saying, "He's a good artist." What do we have to do?
He writes good music!
He writes good music!
Is it working yet?
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His music's nothing spectacular. Pretty much everything I've heard of his has been pretty unimaginative acoustic guitar/banjo stuff. Not that I don't like stuff like that, but his voice is really weak and powerless, it just doesn't come off. He ends up sounding like a mouse covering Simon and Garfunkel. I wouldn't say that his music is unlistenable, but it is undistinguished and unoriginal. Occasionally there's a nice progression or a pretty harmony, but there's a hell of a lot better stuff to listen to, folk-wise. Not that I would personally call Sufjan Stevens folk music, but hey.
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You don't like his voice? That's pretty interesting. I find that his voice is exactly how it should be. He manages to convey how sad he feels in his voice alone, and the lyrics are often irrelevant, you can tell exactly how he feels from just listening to his voice like you would a well-played guitar. I do have to admit, though, that without his voice, many of his songs would lose their power, and he would be just another singer-songwriter. But, in my mind, he has the right voice, so I'm happy.
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Take one look at the sort of bands Khar posts for people to listen to and, like me, you'll realize his opinion suddenly seems irrelevant.
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Why? Is the music he listens to somehow inferior to the music you listen to? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and mine is that if you listen to one genre only, excluding all others then you are missing out on a lot of good music.
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All I ever see Khar post is obscure/underground bands that vaguely fall under the metal genre. You could argue that metal is a broad genre with a lot of variety, and I might agree. But that's beside the point.
When a metal fan describes an indie singer's voice as "weak and powerless" it's hard for me to take them seriously since they're rating singers on a totally different basis than I would.
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See, there you're making an assumption. Khar's fondness for the metal genre doesn't render him incapable of judging other genres. For example, I listen mainly to what many would describe as indie-pop. That does not mean when I listen to a metal band I think that they're bad because their instruments are too loud, or the singer shouts too much for my liking, I accept that those are key traits of the genre, and move on and judge whether they are good at what they are trying to do. You're making the assumption that Khar can't do this, and unless he actually says he's judging Sufjan by metal standards, then I'm going to assume he has the intelligence to distinguish what he likes, and what is good.
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SufjanSuccotash: hey guys thanks for having me for "vinny castilla day", sounds ripe for the kitschin' to me
SufjanSuccotash: this song is called "vinny castilla day", off my upcoming album "colorado is colo-radical!" !
CastillaBallot: yaaaaay
SufjanSuccotash: /strums banjo
oh my gooohhhddddd
SufjanSuccotash: oh my gohhh-eee-yohhhd
ooooo-oooooooo-oooooooh
SufjanSuccotash: /says "ooooooooh"; rattles tambourine for 8 minutes
SufjanSuccotash: /deep breath
denvervailcoloradosprings
broncosrockiesnuggets
rockymountains
glorious STATE! glorious STATE!
/plays triangle with feet
CastillaBallot: is this song even about me
SufjanSuccotash: i'm getting to it
SufjanSuccotash: /plays ukekele with violin bow
/sings
it was vinny castilla day, the giant man of the rocky mountains, shoulders broad
CastillaBallot: oh this is the good part i bet
SufjanSuccotash: aaaaaand then my sort-of girlfriend died of cancer and was hit by a train at the same time and everybody cannot find jobs and god is a jerk but i am a christian for irony's sake ooooooooooooooooh
CastillaBallot: could you just play "happy birthday" or something
SufjanSuccotash: /bangs on snare drum with two didgeridoos
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Khar actually likes quite a lot of folk music. However, I like a lot of hip-hop but that doesn't mean my taste is faultless.
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This thread makes my head hurt.
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Ok, One I went on youtube and started watching Sufjan videos. I detest the man, pretty much in the same way I detest Ayn Rand. He tries so hard to be "artistic" he just ends up babbling and making no fucking sense at all. (Ayn Rand has PERSONALLY STATED she started writing with the intention of making literature, wtf? who the fuck granted you the right to decide what society as a whole considers literature.) I will say the same thing about Sufjan. He tries to do something that JUST FUCKING HAPPENS NATURALLY. Why do we all know who Godel, Escher and Bach are? is it because of some little known book written about them? or is it because they actually WERE great at what they did? Fuck all this pretentious bullshit, fuck all you gun toting hip gangster wannabies. If he is >good< you won't be around when society deems to grant him the label "Classic" There were HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people that had HUGE followings that no body has heard of today. There are some exceptions to things that are considered "classical" that are in fact shitty...Jane Austen? Oh yeah we've all been forced to read the "great" piece of "literature" that is Emma. Know why that's not "classical" because you can find the same type of writing in today's world published primarially by companies like Harliquin. It's a shoddy titilation romance novel, that stayed around because it's old. Elvis is >not< great, why? well perhaps because he's a fucking theif? (I don't need to support this you all know or should know what I'm talking about here)
Sufjan will remain where he is, an overly wordy idolized pretty boy who is popular because he's good looking and pseudo-intellecutal (sp? I don't care I'm not writing a graded paper here) I can garauntee this to you why? because I have way more intelligence than he does, but I don't shroud myself in an aura of Artistic Mystique because I abhor Artistic Mystique, it's a sham, wake up smell the coffee (not that under roasted shit they serve you at starbucks for $10 a cup, and convince all the yuppies it's great coffee.) Lavatazza Coffee, or one of the small European Cafe's in Heidelberg. ESPECIALLY the one that has Samuel Clemmen's own graffiti on the table. If you want to steep yourself in quality, live in Europe for a year, attend a >REAL< Orchestra performing in building that has remained the same since Bach had the privledge have his music INTRODUCED in. Yeah, he's a >REAL< composer, not that poser of one you call Sufjan.
Folk? Beck's fucking "folk" Bob Dylan's folk Blue Grass is folk Sufjan's somewhere between Def Leppard Covering Ode to Joy and some dirty old hobo on the street corner with a 6 string guitar strung wrong with 2 strings missing and a coughing fit for vocals.
Kahr's cat = pwn. (Kaetz sind Kreig?)
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All I ever see Khar post is obscure/underground bands that vaguely fall under the metal genre.
...and goth rock, and darkwave, and ethereal, and prog rock, and industrial, and ebm, and neo-folk, and folk, and folk-rock, and classic rock, and psychobilly, and punk, and experimental, and power electronics, and krautrock, and avant-garde, and new wave, and post-punk, and classical...
I'm not, in fact, judging Sufjan by the standards of metal at all, but by the standards of folk. By which standards he is clearly found wanting: his work is pretentious, over-prettified, lacks any real emotional power or immediacy, is unoriginal (yet claims originality through pretentious instrumentation and lyrics that add nothing to the quality of the music), is socially irrelevant and claims a false 'man of the people' status through the ridiculous '50 states' device.
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Right. So Elvis was a thief because he based his music on those who came before him? OH NOES! Also, people who say "I am more intelligent than X" generally aren't. Thirdly, spelling and punctuation makes things easier to read, so care about them. Hell there is a spell checker on the bloody forums. And finally, you seem to be suggesting that the only people who make music worth listening to is classical music...
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No, I'm just saying when you say someone is a "great" you need to be holding them up to someone ALMOST THE ENTIRE WORLD would agree with you when you say they are "great". And my claim to be more intelligent than Sufjan Stevens is like saying I'm smarter than a bleached cow skull, it's not that big of a leap to claim that. Spelling and punctuation do make things easier to read, I was raised by a math teacher and someone with an english degree. I can write, I can type, hell I can even obfuscate with the best of Sufjan's in accessable works. The problem with me is I actually end up saying something with a point when it's all over, and the silence has claimed the restless dreams of the capable few. Perhaps you all missed the giant neon sign of esoteric references in my previous post. Or perhaps you'd like to go re-read the passage by Elijah written on the tiles at L' Lefant Plaza in D.C.? Or maybe you prefer the pretty words that ring as hollow as the 'o' in God? Wait maybe I am riding this spiral way to far out to the places no one's been before. Pardon me, but the pretentious bullshit some people taut as being great, makes me want to perform the monk flammbe. Or am I refering to things you've never taken the time to actually listen to? Or does it matter if something is inaccessable, so long as it seems greater than it actually is. Just because it makes no sense doesn't mean it's too deep for you to understand, it might just mean it actually doesn't make any sense. I haven't said that Classical is the only music worth listening to, reread my post a few times you might find some hints as to what I listen to. Damn, that's a bit too obvious. Classical can be inaccessable at times, but it still holds a beauty that is hard to match, I don't listen to only classical. Just like I don't just eat 70% cacao chocolate, sometimes it's nice to have something that is as rich, but not as complex. BUT I do not hold Hershey's to the comparison of Lindt.
Did I obfuscate too much? Or should I through in more obscure references to hide what I actually want to say? Even if I did, you would still understand my words even if you don't get the references, Sufjan doesn't do this, he obfuscates and clouds his words to the extent that there IS no content, just words that can be sung strung together in ways that vaguely resemble sentences, though Subject Verbs and Predicates are few and far between, and when they exsist they make NO SENSE when put together. Intricacies excrete like human bile. Wasted unwanted, unflinching smiles. Darkness forboding wandering vastly, nothing connects to the futures passed. Anyone with English Comp (university level) can do the shit Sufjan does, doesn't make him original.
Oh, and elvis wasn't a thief because he based his music off of the forefathers to his genre, he's a thief because he STOLE ALL HIS MUSIC FROM PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF. Elvis was unoriginal, uncreative (except for his dancing) he was just a white face put on the music made by people the record companies didn't want to pay because they were BLACK. ELVIS WAS PRE-CIVIL RIGHTS, ASSHOLE. Don't ever fucking forget that fact either.
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Oh, and elvis wasn't a thief because he based his music off of the forefathers to his genre, he's a thief because he STOLE ALL HIS MUSIC FROM PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF. Elvis was unoriginal, uncreative (except for his dancing) he was just a white face put on the music made by people the record companies didn't want to pay because they were BLACK. ELVIS WAS PRE-CIVIL RIGHTS, ASSHOLE. Don't ever fucking forget that fact either.
Doesn't make his music any less fantastic.
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I'm just in a pissy mood, I calm down greatly when I get a beer in me, and a half a pack of Camel's. In all honesty I just got very pissed off at Stevens because I spent the time to search him under youtube, find videos that weren't just covers and listen to 3 of them before I realized the shitdripping cocksucker hadn't said a damn thing, and I'd just wasted 10 to 15 minutes of my first weekend in 4 months.
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LOOK AT ME I CAN USE WORDS BLAHBLAHFUCKINGBLAH
I think it's especially ironic the way that you are being wilfully pretentious when you hate Sufjan for doing the same thing (and yes, I get why you are doing it, doesn't make it any less ironic or idiotic).
Also, how exactly did Elvis steal music? Did he play the songs of others and not pay them royalties?
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Yes. Almost all of his best known and loved songs are written and performed originally by black musicians that few people have heard of.
Ironic, yes, idiotic no, It's a little know literary tactic called Satire, or Lampoon. gg nore me gosu you hasu. 1 deage ftw, don't mock the glock it owned you.
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Is that thing about Elvis true? Care to provide some evidence?
The thing about satire is that it is meant to be funny.
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Unfortunately I am euros, and they are nowhere near as strong...
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Damn, I might have to set up a paypal account. $50 to never post in a topic you start, $150 to never post in a topic you started. $1,000 (or eVga 7950 (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2466891&CatId=0) and Killer NIC (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2485650&CatId=1175) for me never to even browse these forums again.)
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LOOK AT ME TYPE WITH MY DICK AND SPOUT A BUNCH OF STUPID CRAP
Please go away. I'm begging you.
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You want a $250 NETWORK CARD? Dear sweet mother of god... Also, explain this:
$50 to never post in a topic you start, $150 to never post in a topic you started.
What the hell does this mean?
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...I say he should be banned right away if he did that.
Not that refraining for that would help matters.
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Not to mention that Camelpimp and ScrambledGregs are both pretty new as well and should not really be spouting about who they want banned because it is just not cricket.
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He's only posted two pretty ridiculous posts.
That's not exacly evil incarnate.
Treat the new guy right kids.
Minor riduclous posts are a GATEWAY drug. Soon he'll be making... lots of ridiculous posts! The horror.
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*sniff* I'm always too late to save anyone.
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Maybe they want him not to post drugs on the forum?
MAN IMAGINE IF YOU COULD DO THAT.
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What does that mean? for $50 american you can have me not say anything on a thread you started. For $150 you can more or less limit my contributions to threads I started, and for $1k or those two computer componants you can have me delete this account and never show myself around here at all (even on an alt accound, of which I have none btw). The Componants are a discount, because it would save me the trouble of ordering them. So for $550 you can have me dissappear by having those items shipped to my house. Delivery of said items would be answered by a "I'm perminantly gone" thread and deletion of my account. And the $250 nic card is awsome because it circumvents the inefficient windows network stack with the much more efficient stack of Linux, all nicely hardwired into a chip with it's own processor. It's just fucking pimp, not to mention the chrome K would look great when viewed through the window in my comp, basking in the sterile goodness that is my UV cold cathode setup. The eVGA 7950 GT would complete my SLI set up, leaving me with just HDD's and A 2gig ram kit w/ alu ram coolers to complete my system. Oh, well, After I finish the internals I plan on upgrading to a Hanis 19" widescreen 5ms response LCD monitor. An extra 5 degree's on my FOV would do alot for my situational awareness in matches.
And yes, it's too late to keep me from ingesting drugs for the sake of recreational intoxication. I already smoke after all, and I'm a proponent to the use of Dextromethorphan as an exploratory chemical. Not to mention I consume in excess of 500mg of Diphenhydrimide HCl to aid in my insomnia, every night. That tends to result in a mild muddling of my motor functions as well as periphrial visual hallucinations, but I can actually sleep. I also believe that my consumption of mass quantities of phsyche changing toxins daily also is what keeps me immune to the flu and other various disease related inconvieniences, I can still succumb to stomach viruses, but those have a duration of maybe 48 to 72 hours so I think I'd survive most of those.
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*sniff*
Woah! Slow down Cowgirl!
Are you sure he's the one with the problem?!
IT'S MEDICATION.
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Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see.
As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.
Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see there is so much more
and beckons me to look through to these infinite possibilities.
As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving all these opportunities behind.
Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.
I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to feel connected
enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral
of our divinity and still be a human.
With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out,
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out. Keep going, going...
Qabala?
http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm
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I got that, and you should get the reference to it in the lyrics I posted. You above all seem to be able to see past my obfuscations and vague twisted references. The Eye of Providence has roots in the Qabala, just like the old testament. Pre-Hebrew Judaism (sp?) or Hebrew Mythology is the basis for alot of Christian philosophy, but apart from it on a whole. There is more to everything than meets the eye. Pun intended. Just like the eye on the reverse of the Dollar is traced to Masonic origins, it can also be seen to represent the American support of Isreal before modern Isreal exsisted. There is too much to go through in a single post, you could take a historical view of this, or as I prefer a Sociological twist on Psychohistory. Signs of things to come are often unintentionally shown before they actually happen. One could even suggest that predestination is a fact and Free will is just an extension of this. No these concepts do not contradict. I can explain but I don't want to bore you or lose the good natured jesting in this post.
Oh, and I am serious about going away for computer components. I will buy them myself eventually, but instant gratification is somewhat rewarding.
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What the shit, I quoted the Dugout and no one even paid attention. =(
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Hey, I couldn't see the first time these guy quoted Tool lyrics.
It would seem that Tommy is strangely conversant with Tool lyrics.
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Guys, I think the problem here is that he is posting Tool lyrics.
The hypocrisy of a Tool fan calling Sufjan Stevens pretentious is staggering, and I don't even like Stevens.
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Well, tool is understandable, you can glean meaning from their songs, Sufjan isn't just pretentious he's also unitelligable. This makes him a Pretentious Idiot, which is infinitly worse than a Pretentious Genius. Mozart was pretentious, does that make him a horrible musician. Now, if all he did was bang on a piano with no sense of order, and was still pretentious then he would be irrevokably banned from my playlist.
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Guys, I think the problem here is that he is posting Tool lyrics.
Seconded.
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So, Firestarter, what you are saying is that you dislike Sufjan Stevens?
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Why am I am not seeing any youtubed videos of people typing with their dongs?
If I have to go out and buy a video camera and potentially damage my dick just to keep this thread on topic, I am going to be very cross.
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After reading FireStarter's first couple of posts in here, I'd think you'd rather slap your dick against a chunk of plastic.
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Well, tool is understandable, you can glean meaning from their songs, Sufjan isn't just pretentious he's also unitelligable.
This says it all, I think. I can make sense of Sufjan's songs without hardly trying, whereas Tool is either just metaphysical/philosophical bullshit or crap like 'Hooker With A Penis', surely one of the most hilariously awful songs of all time.
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Their lyrics are shit, but I like some of their dynamics and technical work.
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From what I've heard of Tool, I think they could do with including a melody or two in their songs.
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All I've heard about Tool comes from the Something Awful column Your Band Sucks.
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I heard his parents named him after a heated scrabble argument. Its true.
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I lived with the biggest Tool fan in the world for two years while at Uni.
There's something about the really hardcore Tool fans. Like they always consider them to be somehow 'above' music. Their music just sounds like a metallic edged version of King Crimson to me and I don't get why they are so revered. I assume most of them grow out of it but I'm not so sure.
Funnily enough, Tool opened for King Crimson back in the early 00's. Or maybe King Crimson opened for Tool. Either way, yuck.
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One, I'm not a "fanatical" fan of anything, execpt Counter-Strike: Source, maybe Jethro Tull.....eh, yet again I digress. I'll cover what I see in Tool first, then how Sufjan could make himself more likable to me. My introduction to Tool whilst I was living at ASMS (google you'll find something it's a highschool if that helps any) I used to put my roomate's Aenima CD in while I fell asleep at night, don't ask me why...I just did ok? Then years later I came across the Lateralus album, which I purchased because I had heard some of the songs around. (shush, I download now, so stfu) And what really hooked my was the intro to the song Lateralus. While I was a child, and my father was pursuing a degree in Mathematics, he took a class based on a little known book called Goedel, Escher, Bach. WITH IT, came a cd that included some Bach Tracks, and an interesting little composition based around the Fibinacci sequence. I loved that composition, it was intricate beautiful, and very very "meditative" anyways, the intro to Lateralus is a metal rendition of that concept. So, I saw that Tool was a bit more than just a hardcore metal band screaming angst and anger. There was ALOT of intelligence and talent behind their music, and I came to respect them.
And now how Sufjan could make me listen to his music. Oddly enough it would be him becoming yet MORE pretentious than he already is. He would have to translate all his lyrics into Elvish (tolkein elvish) and Accompany himself on a Zither, whilst the entire percussion section of the Boston Pops backed him up. I think I could dig his voice meandering around elvish lyrics while some classically inspired percussion is played behind a Zither. That would be >AWSOME<
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This thread is really terrible. Like worse than the wookiee sex thread (http://wookiee sex thread).
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Tommy's "magic eye" theory is pretty good. That last post has a dolphin jumping over a yeti.