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Fun Stuff => CLIKC => Topic started by: the_tard on 23 Dec 2006, 03:52
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I currently use XP and I'm fairly happy with it most of the time. The only "work" I do on my computer is done in MS word, so I don't use it extensively on that end. I do use it alot for gaming, and I'm wondering if Vista would have a good or bad effect on that. Also, my friend still uses windows 2k and he can't install some games on it (BF 2142 for example) and I'm kind of concerned about that happening to me. So, what do you guys think, is it worth the money to buy it?
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I'm no expert but I'll go with "if you think you have the power to run it go ahead." I have no use for it at the moment and I won't until I get some massive hardware upgrades.
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For games, Vista won't make much difference unless the games have been designed to run on it (as far as I know). There may be compatibility problems with some games, I am not sure. As for MS Word 2007, I have tried it and I do not like it. They have taken the interface and made it bad, and you cannot go back to the old way. ARGH!
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OSX for the win!
*sob* i'm so alone *sob*
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In terms of gaming, Vista will be the only OS to support DirectX 10, so when games start requiring that, you'll have to upgrade. But for the most part, I don't think any major PC games on the horizon are forcing that upgrade yet. Crysis is the only one I know of that's being built around DX10 right now.
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Im looking forward to hear the vista bootup and shutdown sounds played by Robert Fripp on guitar. Im going to search the web for it.
Brian Eno did the music for Windows 95.
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edit: haha, they took the soul out of Fripp's 20 minute Vista jam. Corporations are so cool.
this is a compilation of all the vista sounds
http://www.istartedsomething.com/uploads/vistasounds.mov
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OSX for the win!
*sob* i'm so alone *sob*
Gentoo for the win!
*sob* I'm so alone *sob*
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Off topic, but that Crysis game looks pretty freakin sweet
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My laptop is setup to run vista when it comes out, but i believe i'm going to wait several months before I consider getting it. That'll give everyone enough time to start bitching and moaning about it. And then i'll be able to weigh the pros and cons of it's use in my life.
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Plus they'll patch the hell out of it in the first few months.
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this is true, but the patches are sometimes worse than the original.....look at SP2 for XP. Personally I thought SP1 was much better!
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Re: Windows Vista: worth the money?
No.
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I'll probably get Vista for my desktop, namely because it's my gaming rig and eventually games are just not going to work as well on XP.
Plus, Halo 2 is coming to Vista Fall 2007, which is almost reason enough for me (Since I suck noodles at console shooters).
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Yes I think it is worth it.
Yes I do think it is much cheaper than OS X versions combined over the release period since XP
And yes, it is worth it to change now rather than "wait for patches and drivers" because driver support is ace.
Have been using it since early betas and while I did not have to pay for this version (RTM from windows connect) - I am pleased.
Please pay no heed to those saying there are no changes, or it is merely a copycat. I thought people first looked some things up before they make ignorant statements.
Good in-dept review on several new features:
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_05.asp
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About how much does Vista go for (in Canadian, preferably)? I've heard anywhere from 200-400 which is a pretty big difference.
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Take the upgrade versions. I believe Vista home premium upgrade is $100 (American), going all the way up to more expensive Ultimate upgrade ($259). It's worth checking out what every version offers.
I'm not saying you should buy it blindly. I love it, I'm sure some may not. But for example lists as Paul Thurrot's site are great references.
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Judging by the site, this is a prettier windows XP that supports direct x 10. The only forseeable differences other than that were very vague, just repeating over and over that it was "more convenient". All the other things it lists I've already got (DVD/CD burner, WMP, stuff like that). I really want to get that Crysis game thats coming out because it looks sweet but I don't really want to go buy a new operating system specifically for one game...
P.S. If you like shooters check out this new crysis game on google vid, the physics are nuts but the video doesn't make the graphics very flattering. Allow me to post a screenshot.
(http://cache.kotaku.com/gaming/crysis_is_purty.jpg)
Another
(http://www.news3d.eu/ftp/immagini_2006/crysis_2.jpg)
*drool drool*
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Another thing to remember about Direct x 10 is that not only do you have to buy Vista, but you also need to buy a video card that can handle Direct x 10. That's not going to be a huge problem right away because direct x9 isn't going to magically disappear after direct x 10 comes out, but eventually support for it is going to disappear.
When the first of the Direct x 10 cards come out they are going to be expensive, so if you want to get a hold of a decent card that won't cost you 200-250 dollars you're going to have to wait for the new generation to drive down the prices on the old generation.
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OK. At first I thought that was a photograph. What the hell? I've seen video of Crysis, but that takes the biscuit. That is more beautiful than a beautiful thing in beautyland.
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In terms of gaming, Vista will be the only OS to support DirectX 10, so when games start requiring that, you'll have to upgrade. But for the most part, I don't think any major PC games on the horizon are forcing that upgrade yet. Crysis is the only one I know of that's being built around DX10 right now.
I'm not quite into this, but I guess SOMEONE will make some kind of port to run DX10 on old XP.
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The problem with Vista is the system is pretty much on lockdown in terms of what users can do, and, word is that it's incomplete. A lot of businesses are sticking with XP (it's out for businesses now).
I'm going to stick with XP on the laptop, and dual boot XP/OS X on the iMac.
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I just figure I'll keep using xp until it is impossible to play any new games.
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I'm going to stick with Ubuntu until there's some reason to get my free copy of Vista.
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Another thing to remember about Direct x 10 is that not only do you have to buy Vista, but you also need to buy a video card that can handle Direct x 10. That's not going to be a huge problem right away because direct x9 isn't going to magically disappear after direct x 10 comes out, but eventually support for it is going to disappear.
When the first of the Direct x 10 cards come out they are going to be expensive, so if you want to get a hold of a decent card that won't cost you 200-250 dollars you're going to have to wait for the new generation to drive down the prices on the old generation.
Not really. ATM I have an ATI X1900 XT (which is DX 9) but I'll be able to run Crysis with most stuff on highest, except for a shader setting here or there
And Nvidia does have one already I think (8800 GTS?), ATI does not.
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Heh, 2000 was probably the best OS MS ever produced. <-- I said this, I must have accidentally modified this post instead of quoting it. Will, you'll have to post again, sorry. - Dan
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It took 5 years for MS to make a pretty clone of XP. What the hell were they doing?
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If you have the method and the means, go for it. Do your research first though. Find out what works best. Staying with XP won't kill you and upgrading to Vista won't either.
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My personal opinion is that Vista reeks of ME-ness; I wont even consider touching it for at least a year or two.
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More on Vista's over the top DRM and the real world implications thereof (http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt).
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^ Whoa. I don't understand what most of that means but I don't like it nonetheless. Seems like microsoft is trying to make Vista ridiculously secure.
Hmm. Thank you for displaying that article.
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I'll be upgrading to Vista pretty soon after launch, DX10 and the 8800 GTX/GTS is just way too much of a draw for me. Also... shiny!
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Hmm let me think... No, no no no no no no no no no no no no. Upgrade and i will come to your house and molest everything not tied down. DO NOT upgrade for atleast a year, then it will be SLIGHTLY useable
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Dan, that stuff is bloody scary. DRM is one of the most distasteful concepts in the history of computing. Vista is now off my list. At the very least, until someone breaks the DRM features.
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Hmm let me think... No, no no no no no no no no no no no no. Upgrade and i will come to your house and molest everything not tied down. DO NOT upgrade for atleast a year, then it will be SLIGHTLY useable
I must be doing something wrong then, as it is a much better product than XP. Even without patches, who'd have thought!
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Alegis do you use your Vista comp for gaming? because that's really all I'm worried about. If it can run firefox, iTunes and Crysis then I'll be set.
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Yep. Running all games, only had problems with Gothic 3, because that game is just full with graphic glitches and I doubt Vista is to blame.
Firefox and itunes work. Only things that won't work now are zonealarm (refuses to install) - which is most likely temporary, but comodo seems to work - and importing libraries in java compilers (although I got it working with Eclipse)
Crysis (the game) most likely, as it is Vista only, but it's not released yet.
Remember, you can install it for 30 days without any key. In case you would want to try it out, by obtaining an RTM dvd somehow.
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After reading through that article, I refuse to touch Vista. I understand that they want to protect content and all, but when it starts costing me in system performance and stability I can't allow that.
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Hmm let me think... No, no no no no no no no no no no no no. Upgrade and i will come to your house and molest everything not tied down. DO NOT upgrade for atleast a year, then it will be SLIGHTLY useable
Considering I haven't had any issues whilst testing X64 RTM, I think I'll be fine. Although I'm yet to test nforce RAID, which has the potential to get interesting.
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After reading through that article, I refuse to touch Vista. I understand that they want to protect content and all, but when it starts costing me in system performance and stability I can't allow that.
Yeah, the gentleman who route that works in the medical imaging field, so his perspective is a good one to get. After having worked for a software company, I can understand the desire to protect content, but that just bypasses all reason, goes through the realm of unreasonable, and into potentially life threatening.
That article called windows vista "the longest suicide note in history" and I believe it. MS really endangered itself, especially among its Enterprise user base.
Sort of related but not quite article that I find interesting, you all might too (http://www.cio.com/advice_opinion/infrastructure/operating_systems/halamka_os_review_1.html).
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Im sure it will be fine for your average user, but for your expert who likes to get their hands dirty then its absolutely useless, most games "should" run on it, i could run a few games, framerate was a little slower then expected but M$ will fix that or else. DRM just annoys me, especially HDCP, if anyone here has a good article, would you please link it, its important everyone knows.
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There's one about ten posts up, posted by Daniel. I am seriously considering Linux in the near-to-mid future. I'd rather use WINE and take the performance hit than have a crippled system.
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Wine doesn't actually hamper performance at all (e.g. UT2k4 runs just as fast wine'd as it does on the linux version, although 99% of the files are the same). The problem is lots of software isn't supported on wine (recently tried to get voipbuster, no luck, missing DLLs).
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That makes sense - after all it is not an emulator. Doh. What's it like for gaming?
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ARGUING ABOUT OSES IS NERDY(IN A BAD WAY) AND LAME
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This was on slashdot today (http://security.itworld.com/4940/061227vistaadopt/page_1.html).
"With nearly a month of Vista availability behind us, businesses don't seem to be in any rush to take the leap. An article on ITworld cites two significant reasons for the foot-dragging. First, Microsoft's case-by-case approach to Vista patches, which is leaving some problems unpatched until after the consumer release in January. Second, application (in)compatibility. From the article: 'Some of the applications that still aren't compatible with Vista include IBM Corp.'s Lotus Notes e-mail and collaboration suite; Cisco Systems Inc.'s and Check Point Software Technologies Ltd.'s VPN clients; Intuit Corp.'s accounting software QuickBooks 2006 and earlier versions; and anti-virus (AV) software from Trend Micro Inc.'"
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My question: Will OS X Leopard be worth the purchase? Also, does anyone know if it's possible to configure the Time Machine application to terminate at a certain date, like two weeks in the past or something? I hardly ever delete stuff unless I really don't need it anymore.
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Even if Time Machine doesn't support that, you should be able to script up something similar quite easily.
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I couldn't script my way out of a conversation.
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OSX for the win!
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Well you could probably do it with Automator as well, but I've never really used that.
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And holy ****, while configuring my mic (it was actually much better to uninstall the audio programs that came with my mobo and have Vista select another driver automaticcaly) I noticed I forgot to use the speech recognition feature. Been using it the past 2 days and absolutely love it.
While I used speech recognition before, this beats it hands down. I miss the option to make custom commands (and not just add dictation words), but it is lovely so far. Just like the search (which works much better than Mac OS X's in search) it is spread over the OS.
Open Limewire for example will open it immediately, even though one may have only installed it and not have made any shortcuts or the like. I was surprised by the accuracy of the dictation mode, it's learning process and ease of correction. It makes navigating faster and a whole lot more fun - I think I'll make a seperate topic about this later as it is an overlooked feature that really has me "addicted to it". It is not entirely new of course, but its implementation now in contrast to 3rd party software is much better and new.
"Open Questionable Content" ^^
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As a home user, unless you want to play games, there is really no reason to run Windows. It's just a shame Direct X has so much traction, Open Gl is doing really interesting things of late. I was really dissapointed about Neverwinter Nights 2 using direct x, thats the main reason I'm still running a dual boot.
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...There are people who don't play games on there PC? MADNESS!
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I managed to go about 14 months without playing a game until NWN 2 and the new Dawn of war game came out.
My uni grades improved quite a bit...
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Vista looks shiny. Verrrry shiny. But then, OSX looks shiny too and I don't use it.
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Yes. I am a massive nerd.
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The problem with Vista is that it hasn't hit consumer availability yet, which means that some companies haven't got release drivers out yet (I'm looking at nVidia here). Worse yet are the applications that haven't been modified to work on it, which is utterly nuts, given the fact that it has been in development for a damn long time. The biggest offender of this is EvenBalance/PunkBuster (anti-cheat protection for games, in my case Battlefield 2142). If you try to play 2142 under Vista, the game will crap out after five minutes, because PunkBuster believes that running games on Vista means you are cheating. Beyond weak.
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^ Gaaah!! No! My precious BF!
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Given its ?140 for ultimate plus at least ?70 for some more RAM...I'm going to leave it till I get it free on the MSDN Academic Alliance....by which time they will have hopefully ironed out most of the bugs...
I mucked around on the beta for a bit, but never really got to use it properly (thanks to a dodgy four way putting my computer out of action for a month)...the little I did use of it didn't wow me that much...
Hell I might just roll back to 2000 pro :roll: ....
Come to think of it, if I'm depressed enough I have an ME disk taunting me somewhere....
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In its current state, I will not pay money for this. It's as simple as that.
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If you just like the look and feel of Vista, you can spend a bit of time and patience altering XP to look like Vista. It's not overly difficult.
You can use StyleXP or WindowBlinds to give you the Start Menu and Explorer interface. You can use Styler to alter the Explorer icons to look identical to Vista's. You can use Samurize to simulate the side bar with all the widgets. And if you look around, the Vista system sounds have been leaked at various websites. And bootscreens aren't hard to find either.
Resource intensive? True. More than actually putting Vista on your system I bet though. And no hassle with driver conflicts. No spending $400 on Ultimate.
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Vista is very smooth with the graphics, because it is all native 3D stuff. Offloads to the GPU, so it is much faster eye candy.
Again, Vista is pretty sweet, but until the drivers hit, and the apps are updated, I can't do it. I suspect by the middle of the year all will be well, though. Especially since it is projected to have over 100 million users by the end of this year.
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I don't understand the doomsayers on this. Heather was running Vista a while back and apart from a few driver/app incompatibilities as Mike says, it worked just fine. You can make it look and behave remarkably like Windows XP or even 2k with just a little tweaking. I'm gonna do my usual for OSes, which is wait about 6mths from release, download & install it & turn off any "features" I don't like. I should have the money to upgrade my hardware by then, so maybe I'll do it all as one big "OMG NEW PC" ritual this year.
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My PC is now a whole one year old. I'd love to do the new PC thing, but I'm sure I can find other things to do with my cash. However, I agree with the six month waiting thing.
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On a related note....
(http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/gallery/boxshots/web/WindowsProN.jpg)
"Windows XP ProN"
mmmmm....
I'm not too keen on the eye candy - I don't tweak my hardware much, so I try to get as much performance as possible by minimising background processes....and seeing as I spend most of my time when I'm not gaming using Firefox, I see no reason to make the rest of the Windows desktop pretty.
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I actually got a theme that minimizes how big the titlebars and stuff are. I hate having them waste space.
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I don't understand the doomsayers on this. Heather was running Vista a while back and apart from a few driver/app incompatibilities as Mike says, it worked just fine. You can make it look and behave remarkably like Windows XP or even 2k with just a little tweaking. I'm gonna do my usual for OSes, which is wait about 6mths from release, download & install it & turn off any "features" I don't like. I should have the money to upgrade my hardware by then, so maybe I'll do it all as one big "OMG NEW PC" ritual this year.
Remember, beta versions do not necessarily reflect the finished product. Let's take a look at Battlefield 2, the demo (incomplete) ran wonderfully while the finished product was buggy as all hell.
Even I'm a bit conflicted about it, I don't think any company could be so stupid, but that's followed by, " Wait, yes they can."
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This guy is absolutely right.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670&pgno=1&queryText= (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670&pgno=1&queryText=)
Yes, it beats XP, but that's all it beats.
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Remember, beta versions do not necessarily reflect the finished product.
It isn't beta; I'm running the final version no problem. (I set it up on another computer last night.)
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This guy is absolutely right.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670&pgno=1&queryText= (http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196800670&pgno=1&queryText=)
Yes, it beats XP, but that's all it beats.
Although I hate to use sarcasm, I feel in this case is justified...
"My what an unopinionated article"
To be fair it is supposed to be an opinion article, but once again people have confused UI with OS....
The penultimate paragraph sums it up really -
However, is it significantly, or even slightly better than Mac OS X? Maybe in a couple of low-level ways, like the randomizing memory address usage function, or being able to use USB memory sticks as additional RAM, but at the human level? Not even close.
He indicates that he has badly missed the point of vista in his article.
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@Mike: Then it seems I'm letting my distrust of big businesses get the better of me. I shall still wait and see.
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I have no trust for anybody; I just tried it and liked it.
Now to get a new laptop so I can get the DX10 stuff going on.
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At the moment, "laptop" and "DX10" sound pretty much incongruous.
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I suspect it'll be a while till mobile DX10 parts become available. But that's okay, my warranty goes till October or November of this year.