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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Hunter on 26 Dec 2006, 12:13
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I know there are a hundred and one sites for drop D tuning, but i still don't know what to do. Can anyone explain it to me in human words?
The song in question is this one : http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/j/jets_to_brazil/sea_anemone_tab.htm
Is it also true that hand oils make guitar strings greasy?
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Drop D Tuning = Nu-Metal.
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I'm a guitar n00b, (just started playing bass guitar a few weeks ago) but as I understand it, Dropped D is basically standard tuning with the bottom (E) string tuned down a step. In other words, DAGD.
I'm pretty sure this is what the tab is calling for.
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It isn't Nu Metal- If Zakk Wylde uses it, is can't be. Drop D is used because it means you can play power chords with just one finger.
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I'm a guitar n00b, (just started playing bass guitar a few weeks ago) but as I understand it, Dropped D is basically standard tuning with the bottom (E) string tuned down a step. In other words, DAGD.
I'm pretty sure this is what the tab is calling for.
Yep, that's all it is. Tune your bottom E down to a D. If you don't have a tuner handy, and your ear isn't good, you can check your tuning by fingering the bottom string at the 7th fret - this should be an A, and hence should sound the same as the second-bottom string.
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It isn't Nu Metal- If Zakk Wylde uses it, is can't be.
Just because Zakk Wylde does something doesn't mean that it isn't piss-weak.
In fact the only REALLY impressive thing Zakk Wylde is capable of is holding up his giant fucking guitar.
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The tuning you're looking for is DADGBE.
Were this not for a JTB song, I would demand you hand over your SG.
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use the 7th fret on your usual E string, and tune it down to your A string. you want the A on the 7th fret of your 6th string to make it D when it is open. my sound a bit confusing if you're really that new to guitar, but the two main purposes for playing in drop D is 1 (as previously stated) to play power chords with one finger and 2) to get access to a couple of lower notes on the instrument. there are a lot of other tunings as well, another popular one is drop D dropped a step, or CGCFAD. and ignore those guys, nu-metal is a genre created by fools, there's metal and heavy metal, if it doesn't fit one of those then it's not metal.
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The tuning you're looking for is DADGBE.
Were this not for a JTB song, I would demand you hand over your SG.
Yeah; real men use CGCF.
no, they use AEADFB (or whatever the fuck Drop A is in)
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Real men stand infront of a mic and yell out the notes they're playing.
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Real men don't do anything, but if you say they aren't playing music you get brass knucks to your fucking face.
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Real men just stand on stage and progressivly detune their guitars untill all the strings fall off.
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real man stand on stage an masturbate into a crowd of women.
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Alright, I'm fucking sick of people associating Drop-d with solely nu-metal. That's as cliche as... any of the innumerable things you could mention that are cliche.
Drop-d tuning has been around almost as long as the guitar itself, I used to play with my college's classical guitar ensemble, and we used fucking drop d-tuning for some of the pieces. It's just a musical tool, and like any other tool, it can be used poorly or properly.
Korn has sucked since 1998, this is true! But that's NOT the tuning's fault.
Make sure your 7th fret on the sixth (that's the lowest) string is equal to the open fifth string. They should both be an A. Bam! Drop D tuning.
And one more thing... Zakk Wylde's way overrated.
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I think i got it. Thanks for the tips. And Veep: If it wasnt for the miles between us, you'd wake up with stubs!
Drink your coffee through a straw bitch!
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"Real men" arent allowed to play music unless its taking the piss.....apparantly
Drop-D tuning is great....especially when you change the tuning of the top three strings as well.....
although that can sound really good with standard tuning too!
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I think i got it. Thanks for the tips. And Veep: If it wasnt for the miles between us, you'd wake up with stubs!
Drink your coffee through a straw bitch!
I prefer tea, my good man.
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real man stand on stage an masturbate into a crowd of women.
Dax Riggs fits into this category, so it gets my approval.
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The tuning you're looking for is DADGBE.
Were this not for a JTB song, I would demand you hand over your SG.
Right, guitar=six strings :-P My bad.
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Drop D Tuning = Nu-Metal.
This post... It needs to go down in history, it needs to be on a poster.
Maybe someday you'll know anything at all about playing guitar, then you can look back on this and cry.
Besides, C is way more popular in nu-metal as of late. Or atleast it is in metalcore... I'm pretty sure nu-metal.
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Page Hamilton's a fuckwad.
Actually he's just a Yankee fan. But he doesn't have to proclaim it to thousands of kids when he's all of about 40 minutes outside of Boston.
All in all, Helmet is still a pretty good live show.
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Real men just stand on stage and progressivly detune their guitars untill all the strings fall off.
Which would make Syd Barrett one hell of a man.
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Real men stand infront of a mic and yell out the notes they're playing.
On a slightly related note, I remember one show I was playing with my old band. Due to a slight mishap involving the drumset and a bit of rage, my trombone fell into several pieces right in the middle of our first song, so I ended up just playing the rest of the show my singing/growling the parts that I would normally be playing.
Were this a guitar that had broken, I may have become a "real man" but alas, 'twas but a silly horn. So it goes.
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(http://homepage.mac.com/hanmi/artwork/helmet/meantime.jpg)
Oh wow. They use drop D apparrantly. It must be a bad tuning. This discredits drop D completely. Forget the folk bands that used it way back there in history. Forget the proggressive bands that use it. And most of all, forget what it's actually capable of.
How tragic. XD
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Thanks H_T_F, one comment and we get a skirmish from the folks.
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That wasn't a response to your post.
I didn't read your post until just now.
I think that Helmet album is a good album.
We were making the same point surely? That it is not the sole premise of crap nu-metal as was suggested.
Ah, then we are. I totally thought you were actually using that Helmet CD as some sort of negative example, whoopsy.
I'll check out that album now, I'm curious.
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You idiots are arguing about a GUITAR TUNING.
This is like arguing about WHAT FONT WIKIPEDIA USES.
What a bunch of worthless bullshit.
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All real educational tools use Times New Roman. Who's fucking idea was it to use Arial?
Amateurs.
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Times New Roman makes me cry. What an ugly fucking font.
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God you're all fucking idiots. The only reason you don't want to use STOMP_Shlop is because you're all fucking idiots.
Goddamn.
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You idiots are arguing about a GUITAR TUNING.
This is like arguing about WHAT FONT WIKIPEDIA USES.
What a bunch of worthless bullshit.
But Jeph, everyone knows the font Wiki uses is utter bullshit.
Atleast, all the cool people do.
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YOU SHUT YOUR GODDAMNED MOUTH
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Aw, Tommy, where's the maniacal laughter? There should've been maniacal laughter.
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Tommy is now de-bearded, rendering him incapable of maniacal laughter...or so I've been told...
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Real men just stand on stage and progressivly detune their guitars untill all the strings fall off.
This must be the funniest thing I have read all day.
Anyway, I don't use drop D myself, but there are bands who I appreciate greatly who use it sometimes or all the time who certainly aren't nu-metal: Opeth, Pain of Salvation, Porcupine Tree. So, if it works for them, good. Personally, I keep learning too many chords in standard tuning to even try to bother with learning another tuning system.
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I can't play guitar for shit, but I'm wondering if Drop D, or any other tuning for that matter, would be in any way similar to the F-attachment that you have on higher-end model trombones. Bear with me here, this is the only instrument I really know:
On a "triggered" trombone, you basically have a special piping assembly that lets the musician press a trigger to "cheat" and play certain notes without having to move the slide aaaaall the way out. This can either make the horn player in question a lazy sack of crap that uses the trigger for EVERTYHING, or in the hands of someone with a certain degree of skill it can add a significantly greater range of notes, and decrease the physical limitations of the instrument, making the artists' repertoire that much greater. Long story short, it can be either a tool or a crutch depending on how you use it.
(and with that, I officially make my most pathetically nerdy post in my short life on these forums)
Wouldn't the drop tuning for a guitar be much the same?
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I think analogy holds some truth, but the thing about drop D is that it doesn't actually make everything easier, it's just better for certain things. There are some things that would actually be made harder, as I pointed out once in another thread about drop D we had some time ago.
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Yeah, that works, but I think the triggered trombone is more akin to a "triggered" drum kit. With a triggered kit, a drummer can barely hit a drum and still generate the full good sound - because it's attached to a MIDI-sequence loop device. Some use it to play the simple shit they can do anyway - others, like Nick Barker, use it to play things with ungodly speed and precision that normally wouldn't work. This is simply because the envelope of each drum hit would have too slow of a decay rate and it would all sound like contorted fuzz shit instead of an ultra precise staccatto blast beat or machine gun burst of double bass.
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You idiots are arguing about a GUITAR TUNING.
ON YOUR MUSIC FORUM.
WHO'S THE IDIOT NOW JACQUES?!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Pwn3d... on your own phorum. The hideous, electronically-disfiguring shame.
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I was gonna ask for a mod to lock this but now that tommy posted in it it has to live until every argument has settled.
So, uh, i heard Mister Band needs a guitar player.
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NEVER SAY THAT MY HAIRCUT IS LIKE A GAY MEXICAN CAR
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You...You mean you aren't a gay Mexican car? I am SO SORRY! My god, I didn't know, I am so sorry!
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I think analogy holds some truth, but the thing about drop D is that it doesn't actually make everything easier, it's just better for certain things. There are some things that would actually be made harder, as I pointed out once in another thread about drop D we had some time ago.
Well, exactly. (Screw you jeph, I'm debating it!) This 'Drop D makes it easier' stuff has always been bullshit. I've played mostly in Open D today. That makes me a pussy because I only need one finger to play a chord. Never mind the fact that playing a minor chord is now stupidly annoying, it's the pussyness that counts...
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NEVER SAY THAT MY HAIRCUT IS LIKE A GAY MEXICAN CAR
TAKE IT BACK OR I'LL CUT YOU TO RAGS AND FEED YOUR SALTED DICK TO A DOG
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...Do you cut him to rags first, or salt his dick first? I wonder if rigor mortis would alter the effectiveness of the salting.
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In truth, no down-tuning is inferior. It's not like you suddenly have less playing ability. You can do just as much with drop D, C#, C, B, B-flat, and A as you can with standard. <---Did I leave any out? And I wasn't sure if I should even count E-flat, so I didn't.
Well, other than basic chords, but that's where standard-D and such come into play...
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E-flat doesn't count because that's what Hendrix used. Don't question my logic.
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E-flat sort of counts because it genuinely makes the strings slightly slacker without a great deal of pitch change. That could be one of the few tunings that DOES make some things easier than others.
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That is definitely true. At a certain point string bends get harder as the slackness increases though. Ever try it in drop-c? Fuck! I usually play in standard, and I do a lot of bends, so I play .9 guage strings. I went to audition for the lead guitar spot in this local melodic death metal band, and they had me tune down to c, and I thought the bridge was going to fall off or something. I definitely dislike playing at that level of detunation.
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Yeah I generally change my guage in that situation.
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Yeah, if I'd stuck with the band I would have.
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On a similar tack, I've just recently begun playing bass, and the majority of the songs I'm learning are in Drop D, and some in Drop C. I noticed that when I play these songs I get a lot of buzz, mostly when I'm picking hard, or when I do fast left-hand stuff. I put most of this down to me not being very good yet, but could it also be alleviated by heavier gauge strings?
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You might want to go for a heavier guage. It depends on what you mean by "buzz." Generally notes get buzzy when the there's too much slack in the string, thus, thicker string, less slack for deeper pitch. Anyways, if you're not fretting the notes close enough to the frets, then that could cause a different kind of buzz.
Also, remember playing fast is not necessarily the same thing as playing hard. Loosen up on your picking hand pressure but try to play just as fast.
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Man I wish i could play the guitar properly I actually left both my guitars in bournemoth so I can't even practice I can feel my fingers getting softr.
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Yeah, it's just a matter of when I'm playing constant 8ths or 16ths or something, every so often I just tend to hit the string a bit too hard, or with too much of my finger, and it causes a bit of buzz. I think the only reason it's made worse when I'm doing quick stuff with my left hand is because I'm not focusing on my right-hand technique as much.
I figured it probably ad at least something to do with needing heavier strings because the buzz is less when I play in Drop D as opposed to C, and better again in Standard.
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Man I wish i could play the guitar properly I actually left both my guitars in bournemoth so I can't even practice I can feel my fingers getting softr.
You know, I've been playing for a good two and a half years now and my fingers are still soft. My fingers just dont get rough, I've never had a problem.
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Yeah, but I don't practice enough and im a tone deaf mathematical retard so i just cant understand theory which means i'll never be as good as the things that made me want to pick up the guitar i mean i wont ever be able to imitate them it makes me truly sad
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God, don't depress me, I'm basicly tone deaf too. But I still think you could atleast be a rythum guitarist, I've found I enjoy that quite a bit. And it's fun to work on your speed to where yo ucan do speed metal riffs.
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Yeah, but I don't practice enough and im a tone deaf mathematical retard so i just cant understand theory which means i'll never be as good as the things that made me want to pick up the guitar i mean i wont ever be able to imitate them it makes me truly sad
No that's bullshit, see. I used to think that but when I just practised the fuck out of my guitar I picked that stuff up eventually.
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Fuck that I will not have lived a full life if I die without having once playued the solo from angelclaw, and i know i will never do it, so hurgh.
Also, yeah, i actually have maths problems theory makes me want to kill things
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I can't even listen to theory without wanting to run, you're not alone. XP
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um so relating it back to the subject at hand
nomeansno - 0 + 2 =1
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what
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Fuck that I will not have lived a full life if I die without having once playued the solo from angelclaw, and i know i will never do it, so hurgh.
Also, yeah, i actually have maths problems theory makes me want to kill things
I'd have played the solo from The Immortal instead. I thought that one was way cooler.
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The solo from Angelclaw is what made me decide that I had to try and learn the guitar, because of the sheer uplifting emotional power of it...you know which one I mean, 3:00 to 3:30 roughly. It's a soaring, beautiful thing. The solo from The Immortal is okay, but imo it doesn't have that.
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I think we can all just agree that Burning Bridges is a really really good album.
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You guys can hear some of my old, old material, sans drums, here (http://www.myspace.com/badkarma619/). It's a poor representation, but I am curious what you hipsters think. It's going to be my band's page, but right now, it's just a really bad substitute. All the songs on there aren't even band recordings. I just recorded everything myself track by track with Cubase and a cheap ass effects processor. Still, if you're bored, I am an attention whore.
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No, this thread is now about Arch Enemy.
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But I don't like them that much. Can it be about Dark Tranquility instead?
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No.
I might consider allowing discussion of At the Gates later. But right now, Arch Enemy.
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No. Iced Earth. Let's talk about Night Of The Stormrider. That version of Angel's Holocaust is WAY better than the other one.
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Iced Earth easily have the best rhythm guitarist in all of metal IMHO, who is also a godly musician all-round. Therefore, they remain one of my favourite Metal bands and my third favourite Power Metal band.
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I would call them melodic thrash before I would besmirch them with the power metal moniker. But really it's probably a little from column A, a little from column B. They're a bit heavy for power metal, and the solos aren't ultra long and drawn out. Tastefully placed, typically. Maybe not on The Glorious Burden. Bleh on that one. But the lyrical style and the melodic vocals are power metal to a T.
...Dark Saga is the best...
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...Dark Saga is the best...
Dude, are you kidding? That's the worst Iced Earth album. The best Iced Earth material is all from Something Wicked This Way Comes, Horror Show, and Night of the Stormrider.
Although Days of Purgatory wins just for the version of Stormrider with Barlow on vocals. Awesome.
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Barlow was my favorite vocalist for Iced Earth, hands down. And I LOVE Dark Saga most, probably because of the female vocals. A Question Of Heaven is such a magnificent song. Come on. Worst? A Glorious Burden is definitely the worst. A Civil War concept album sounds like a good idea to some people... hell I even thought it was good idea before I heard it. But damn Jon Schaffer. He should have quit... fucker... he's a republican too...
Ranked:
1. The Dark Saga
2. Night of the Stormrider
3. Burnt Offerings
4. Something Wicked This Way Comes
5. Horror Show
6. The Glorious Burden
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Dude, are you kidding? That's the worst Iced Earth album. The best Iced Earth material is all from Something Wicked This Way Comes, Horror Show, and Night of the Stormrider.
Although Days of Purgatory wins just for the version of Stormrider with Barlow on vocals. Awesome.
Damien.
Damien.
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Damien is just kick. Ass. That's probably my favorite song off that CD, it's just.... Er, I already said that...
And I'm thinking Dark Saga is their best. I don't own it yet, but I've heard several songs. "The Hunter" sold me on that CD.
For the record, I have Horror Show, Something Wicked This Way Comes, Days of Purgatory, Night of the Storm Rider, and Glorious Burden. I so need to complete my collection.
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Granted, "The Hunter" reeks of awesome as well, but Damien's recovery from the monologue is nothing less than thrilling.
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Ranked:
1. The Dark Saga
2. Night of the Stormrider
3. Burnt Offerings
4. Something Wicked This Way Comes
5. Horror Show
6. The Glorious Burden
Thats eeriely similar to how I would rank them but swap around 3 and 1 and stick in the self titled above TGB... Pure Evil was the song that hooked me on Iced Earth.
as for the other bands mentioned.
Arch Enemy
1. Black Earth
2. Wages of Sin
3. Burning Bridges
haven't really heard enough of their other albums.
Dark Tranquility
1. Sky Dancer
2. Projector
3. The Gallery
4. Damage Done
5. The Minds I
have heard very little of the rest of there stuff
At The Gates
1. With Fear I Kiss The Burning Darkness
2. The Red in The Sky Is Ours
3. Terminal Spirit Disease
4. Gardens of Grief
5. Slaughter of the Soul
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Dude I am in complete agreement with you on all those except switch one and two for Arch Enemy.
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drop D tuning? bah, humbug! i use drop A# tuning.
well,... to be honest,... it doesn't work for most kinds of music, but i like it.
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I wrote two new songs (actually, just enough bass parts for two new songs) last night, one was in standard and one was in drop-d. It's wierd because we have this thread, and I don't usually write in drop-d at all.
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It's 3 and a half steps down. That's way too low!
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drop D tuning? bah, humbug! i use drop A# tuning.
well,... to be honest,... it doesn't work for most kinds of music, but i like it.
that's 3 steps down, right? also; how the hell do you use that on a Tele?
Thicker strings. You just end up not being able to hit any high notes. EVER.
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it's 3 steps down (2 for the otehr strings, of course). i use regular strings for that, it sounds pretty fucked up but that's the sound i need. we play some kind of drone/doom-influenced music that requires that kind of sound.
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well yeah, but i never knew teles could take .13s.
Why wouldn't they?
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*does not play fenders*
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Fun fact, you can fake a deep A by doing an A chord in standard and hitting the top string along with it.
It can sound pretty convincing if you do it right.
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Always on the outside, always looking in.
I was in this drop-D metal band we called Requiem.
-Spoon, "Sister Jack"
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That wasn't a response to your post.
I didn't read your post until just now.
I think that Helmet album is a good album.
We were making the same point surely? That it is not the sole premise of crap nu-metal as was suggested.
don't worry brotha i got what you meant. fucking helmet is the shit.
i know this particular post is a few days old. oh well, that's just how it goes i guess.
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Fun fact, you can fake a deep A by doing an A chord in standard and hitting the top string along with it.
It can sound pretty convincing if you do it right.
Do you mean the bottom string? The low E?
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Fun fact, you can fake a deep A by doing an A chord in standard and hitting the top string along with it.
It can sound pretty convincing if you do it right.
Do you mean the bottom string? The low E?
Ah, yeah, sorry about that. Typo.
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I am not double-posting, nooooo....
Anybody here know some good songs or bands that use A tuning, but sing melodicly? As in, don't scream or don't always scream?
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Sleater-Kinney tune their guitars pretty damn low on The Woods. Maybe not A tuning but still very low. From when I was trying to piece together some of the album's songs I remember looking at chord sheets, looking at my strings and cussing, in that order.
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They've used baritones in studio, which are usually tuned to B. So A isn't entirely out of the question.
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I am not double-posting, nooooo....
Anybody here know some good songs or bands that use A tuning, but sing melodicly? As in, don't scream or don't always scream?
Korn, Linkin Park...
:laugh:
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Arch Enemy
1. Black Earth
2. Wages of Sin
3. Burning Bridges
This is heresy but I enjoy Arch Enemy with Angela more than with Johan. Some of the best songs are on albums with Johan, but his vocals were uninspired. I honestly believe Angela Gossow is in the top ranks of death metal vocalists, and if you've seen AE live, and seen Gossow do The Immortal, well...
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I am not double-posting, nooooo....
Anybody here know some good songs or bands that use A tuning, but sing melodicly? As in, don't scream or don't always scream?
Korn, Linkin Park...
:laugh:
*laughs* I knew Korn was all about tuning their seven-sting to A, but Linkin Park? Really? I didn't know.
...Why do I find that mildly amusing?
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Well the first song on Meteora is played on seven string, and the footage I've seen he's certainly playing the ol' one-finger chords. I'm pretty sure they downtune on every fucking song they do, even when they have no need to, like then.
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I think Gossow is a much better death vocalist than Liiva, but Burning Bridges and Stigmata just had so many well-written songs. I think Wages of Sin is one of their best, but Anthems of Rebellion is uneven, and Doomsday Machine is just mediocre.
Basically, if the band went back and re-recorded Burning Bridges with Gossow on vocals that would be amazing. They didn't play any Liiva material when I saw them live, unfortunately, but Ravenous and The First Deadly Sin just blew me away. A lot of the Doomsday Machine material sounded a hell of a lot better live too.