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I like the Beatles. Do you??
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I like the Beatles. I got an idea! Let's rank 'em now.
1. Harrison
2. Lennon
3. McCartney
4. Martin
5. ...Ringo
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Great bands I care for?
Sir, I do not have time to list my entire music collection here.
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Sleater-Kinney are pretty fab.
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I like Anathema. You guys like Anathema?
I mean they're not my favorite but I have to say, I do like them.
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I like BigElf. They're fooking great.
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Ulver are a band that can best be described as fabulous!
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If you can still call Garm's mad-scientist experimentations a "band."
I freaking LOVE Ulver though.
You know what else is fabulous?
the Devin Townsend Band... also Strapping Young Lad
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Okay, since I'm certain someone will meet my challenge, why IS Payement so fabulous (as I've heard)?
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Fugazi
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Ian McKaye is a personal hero of mine.
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My favourite Beatles is Tommy.
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My favourite Tommy is Roger Daltrey
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My favorite Roger Daltry is Billy Joe Armstrong.
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I assume you mean bands that have been around and/or recieved a great amount of success and/or public praise.
Megadeth
Metallica
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Rush
Alice Cooper
Queen
Nine Inch Nails
Tool
Iron Maiden
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Sigur Ros
that's really all that needs to be said
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I guess I think the Beatles are pretty neat.
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Sigur Ros puts me right to sleep... does the charm every time :)
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I assume you say this as though it's a bad thing. Some of my favourite music is the music I fall asleep with. Hell ,we were discussing Ulver before... Their album "Perdition City" actually states that it is music "for the stations before and after sleep"
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Pussies, I sleep to Nattens Madrigal.
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Def Leppard
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wrong thread man
this is Great bands that you care for
Def Leppard shouldn't fit either category in a perfect world.
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My favorite brown noser is Johnny C. :-D
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I like the Beatles. I got an idea! Let's rank 'em now.
1. Tommy
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greatest rock'n'roll band ever = ramones
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Christ, I would end up listing a good 20 bands, including the two recent contenders for addition. I'll go with my top five, in no order:
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
Wilco
Weezer
Pink Floyd
Joy Division
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The Knack.
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Uhm this was a joke thread to help dispel the anger from the "great bands you dont care for" thread.
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Mellow atmospheric music is not a bad thing. I'm down with Sigur Ros.
But it is boring under normal conditions. Ulver doesn't bore me ever. :-D I have probably listened to "A Quick Fix Of Melancholy" more than Garm has.
But honestly, I can actually fall asleep to anything. I've tried Meshuggah and it results in really odd tempo dreams.
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So who likes Faith No More a lot? I like them a whole bundle
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MIKE PATTON IS NOT GOD, YOU KNOW
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YOU'VE BEEN READING MY BLOG
YOU'VE BEEN READING MY BLOG
YOU'VE BEEN READING MY BLOG
YOU'VE BEEN READING MY BLOG
YOU'VE BEEN READING MY BLOG
YOU'VE BEEN READING MY BLOG (http://allmychildren.about.com/od/dailyrecaps/a/bl20060823r_4.htm)
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Honestly, I haven't. ;)
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MY MUM TOOK ME TO SEE THEM WHEN THEY OPENED FOR GUNS N ROSES \m/
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I like Anathema. You guys like Anathema?
I mean they're not my favorite but I have to say, I do like them.
They are pretty much the greatest band in the UK at any given time.
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OH NO, NOT SHOOTERS
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I'VE BEEN A FAN OF YOURS SINCE
DESTINATION: HELL
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DOESN'T THAT DETRACT FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS BANDS? FAITH NO MORE, MR. BUNGLE, OH, MAYBE EVEN TOMUH-HAWURRRRRK
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NOT MANY PEOPLE CARE ABOUT MIKE PATTON ANYMORE
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Great bands I care for?
Sir, I do not have time to list my entire music collection here.
Meet my friend Damn F. Straight.
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YOU HAVE TO BE A LONG-ESTABLISHED FAN TO READ THAT BLOG
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Great bands i care for?? look here:
http://www.musik-sammler.de/sammlung/1660 (http://www.musik-sammler.de/sammlung/1660)
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Uhm this was a joke thread to help dispel the anger from the "great bands you dont care for" thread.
Well it's not (entirely) my fault that I'm an asshole, dude.
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I just didn't think people would take this thread seriously, let alone be good natured about it.
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But Patton, demi-god or not, is not the only reason FNM was teh awesome. I just want to constrain that fact. Good rockin' music with lots of stylistic variety.
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I've never liked anything Mike Patton was involved with, i don't frnakly see the appeal
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STOP MESSING UP OUR MEME, GUYS.
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So who likes Faith No More a lot? I like them a whole bundle
Who cares a lot? I care a lot.
Love Faith No More. I miss them, Mike Patton hasn't done anything as likable to me since. Well, except maybe that Dilinger Escape Plan CD.
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Oh.
Serious answer time.
Queen. I firmly believe that Freddie Mercury was the greatest frontman ever.
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Man Freddy is not even the greatest blatantly homosexual frontman ever.
(http://www.worth1000.com/web/media/29909/1/robhalford2.jpg)
He did rock though. RIP!
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Commence Rob Halford vs. Freddie Mercury, round 1.
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Oh.
Serious answer time.
Queen. I firmly believe that Freddie Mercury was the greatest frontman ever.
I feel this is as opportune a moment as any to post this. (http://www.rockmidgets.com/features.php?page=4&id=744)
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Halford owns... but that's seriously difficult. I'm even primarily a metal listener and I love me some Judas Priest, but Queen is definitely one of the best bands ever. In terms of song-versus-song they would probably beat JP hands down. But JP has a lot more material, and it's almost all great...
But Halford wins the fashion show part, that's a no-contest.
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I feel this is as opportune a moment as any to post this. (http://www.rockmidgets.com/features.php?page=4&id=744)
Surprisingly good list actually, for a slightly more mainstream-oriented thing, but I don't know how in the hell they can get away without even mentioning Alice Cooper. I'd also personally of course want mentions for Lemmy, Rob Halford and Bruce Dickinson: Halford wins for (along with Accept) tricking half the metal scene in to dressing like gay bikers for most of the eighties, Lemmy wins for just being the coolest motherfucker alive ("We're Motorhead, and we play rock and roll". Never has a man spoken truer words so often.), and Dickinson, as well as having a ridiculously powerful voice (everyones heard the tales of times his mic or the PA has gone and he's managed to continue singing over the music), pretty much wins for his performance at the Ozzfest where Sharon Osbourne tried to drive him off stage. These colours don't run! I think it's no coincidence that all the most enduring metal bands of all time have had great front-men, and no shock either that despite splits they've always come back to the original/best known (I suppose Black Sabbath needs a mention for having TWO damn good front-men, Ozzy and Dio. Neither though, in my opinion, is really 'great').
I mean, you have to remember, this is not about the musical qualities of the bands as much as the performance qualities of the singer. Freddy was great, but he still didn't ride on stage on a fucking motorbike dressed like a centerfold for Leatherboys Monthly.
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The list would have been better with Mackaye and Tweedy actually in the top ten, and Halford instead of Mercury, and a different order.
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Two words: Dave Grohl. You're fucking joking, right?? Automatic fail. Also, Stipe?? Christ. I like Stipe, but the last time R.E.M. released an album worth owning (I didn't say listening to, I said owning) was...1992.
And how did they get away without Robert Plant??
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Khar - 'They,' unless otherwise noted (i.e. Heather's bit on Liam Gallagher) is me.
Tweedy isn't THAT good of a frontman, dude. He's my favourite, certainly, but I really don't think he can contend with the others in that list.
As for the other people mentioned, a lot of them used a lot of props and theatricality. While they are great frontment, and probably would have got into a 20 or 25 list, I was considering less of the props and more the weight of their personality as a frontman rather than anything else - i.e. Nick Cave, who is like a pantomime villain in himself, rather than, as you said, riding onstage on a bike like a gay model.
And Robert Plant was a fucking joke.
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Replace one of them (preferably Grohl or Stipe) with MacKaye, but otherwise a pretty good list, methinks.
Lemmy is a hell of a frontman. Everybody knows Lemmy.
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Tweedy isn't THAT good of a frontman, dude. He's my favourite, certainly, but I really don't think he can contend with the others in that list.
The movie 'I Am Trying To Break Your Heart,' the band's live performances and a sterling string of solo appearances and finely-written albums all disagree with you.
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I'll level with you Johnny.
He'd be in there. He'd be pretty high, too.
But no-one's fucking heard of Wilco. At least not enough people for me to be able to justify putting him on that list.
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Once again I feel I must correct you. A Ghost Is Born broke the U.S. Top Ten and won two Grammy awards.
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I'm pissed that Ian Curtis got on there. Yeah, he's a great frontman if your idea of a great frontman is someone who just stands there and sings horribly.
How is Robert Plant a joke?
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Robert Plant is severely overrated. I will take Dio in a heartbeat.
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Once again I feel I must correct you. A Ghost Is Born broke the U.S. Top Ten and won two Grammy awards.
Midgets is more of a British site.
Robert Plant is a joke because he didn't really DO anything. Curtis couldn't sing, no (although he did not 'just stand there,' you clearly don't know what you're talking about. did you even read the fucking paragraph?) but he had an undeniable passion and weight of emotion in his singing and his performances, clinging onto that mic for dear life. Plant's lyrics were either stolen or worthless, he did even less on stage than Curtis and had no presence...but then, I don't particularly like Led Zep, so maybe I'm biased.
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The movie 'I Am Trying To Break Your Heart,' the band's live performances and a sterling string of solo appearances and finely-written albums all disagree with you.
From what I can gather (I haven't really listened to much Wilco), Tweedy is an incredible songwriter and musician, but that isn't what we're talking about here. This is a list of great frontmen, where the main criteria is charisma.
Dio...not great
Oh no you di'in't
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Some of my fav Sabbath songs are Dio's, Neon Knights, Sign of the Southern Cross, Children of the Sea etc
That said Ozzy was still the better front man for Sabbath.
I think Rainbow is the best band Dio was ever in, he and Blackmoore just had this unbelievable chemistry.
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Man Freddy is not even the greatest blatantly homosexual frontman ever.
FASTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER THAN A BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEET
TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERYIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING SCREEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
ENRAGED AND FULL OF AAAAAAAAAAAAAANGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
HEEEEE'S HALF MAN AND HALF MACHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE
... yeah, I'm done now.
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HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE WE ARE
BOOOOOOOORN TO BE KINGS
WE'RE THE PRINCES OF THE UUUUUUUUUUU-NI-VERSE!
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I guess I kinda like the Eels.
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While we're on the subject, I
care for love Wilco. I should probably get Tweedy's solo DVD, huh?? What say you, fellow Wilconauts??
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While we're on the subject, I care for love Wilco. I should probably get Tweedy's solo DVD, huh?? What say you, fellow Wilconauts??
The opportunities just keep on coming: http://www.rockmidgets.com/releases.php?&id=1616
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HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE WE ARE
BOOOOOOOORN TO BE KINGS
WE'RE THE PRINCES OF THE UUUUUUUUUUU-NI-VERSE!
Wait, what? Funny, I think I just felt The Quickening...
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While we're on the subject, I care for love Wilco. I should probably get Tweedy's solo DVD, huh?? What say you, fellow Wilconauts??
The opportunities just keep on coming: http://www.rockmidgets.com/releases.php?&id=1616
That review did not give me the impression that I should buy the DVD, despite the 5/5 rating. I like Wilco but I am not enamored of the Tweedy cult. I guess I was hoping the DVD was something other than Tweedy performing every song alone, acoustic, because I can think of very few modern performers who I would pay to see that, and Tweedy is not one of them.
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While we're on the subject, I care for love Wilco. I should probably get Tweedy's solo DVD, huh?? What say you, fellow Wilconauts??
The opportunities just keep on coming: http://www.rockmidgets.com/releases.php?&id=1616
That review did not give me the impression that I should buy the DVD, despite the 5/5 rating. I like Wilco but I am not enamored of the Tweedy cult. I guess I was hoping the DVD was something other than Tweedy performing every song alone, acoustic, because I can think of very few modern performers who I would pay to see that, and Tweedy is not one of them.
There's about four songs with other Wilco guys on, and to be fair they are the DVD's best moments outside of 'Sunken Treasure.' But if you're not a Tweedy fan then it's a bit of a no-brainer that you don't want to buy this Jeff Tweedy solo tour DVD.
For what it's worth, I don't know to what you refer when you say the 'Tweedy cult' but I'm certainly no part of it.
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There are a number, but I'll list the first few that come to my mind.
Iron Maiden, The Beatles, Opeth, System of a Down, and probably Panic! At the Disco!
These are just the first five that came to my mind, but I'm not going to plague the thread with a long long list :P
Also, I'm assuming this is about bands that have some degree of fame.
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While we're on the subject, I care for love Wilco. I should probably get Tweedy's solo DVD, huh?? What say you, fellow Wilconauts??
The opportunities just keep on coming: http://www.rockmidgets.com/releases.php?&id=1616
That review did not give me the impression that I should buy the DVD, despite the 5/5 rating. I like Wilco but I am not enamored of the Tweedy cult. I guess I was hoping the DVD was something other than Tweedy performing every song alone, acoustic, because I can think of very few modern performers who I would pay to see that, and Tweedy is not one of them.
There's about four songs with other Wilco guys on, and to be fair they are the DVD's best moments outside of 'Sunken Treasure.' But if you're not a Tweedy fan then it's a bit of a no-brainer that you don't want to buy this Jeff Tweedy solo tour DVD.
For what it's worth, I don't know to what you refer when you say the 'Tweedy cult' but I'm certainly no part of it.
The funny thing is that I bought The Wilco Book today. I guess it's more my style of thing. At least I bought it from a mom-and-pop bookstore, though.
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System of a Down, and probably Panic! At the Disco!
Reread thread title.
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Jim Morrison made L.A. Woman while fat and beared though. I'm pretty sure fat and bearded Jim Morrison was my favourite. By which I mean, I love The Doors as well. They constantly fight for the title of my favourite band/musician with Bruce Springsteen.
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Personally, I would never pay the ridiculous prices the remaining Doors are asking for. And frankly I think they're kinda being dicks, riding on the same songs for so long, and just constantly repackaging the same old things. They really seem to be doing anything they can to get a buck.
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Personally, I would never pay the ridiculous prices the remaining Doors are asking for. And frankly I think they're kinda being dicks, riding on the same songs for so long, and just constantly repackaging the same old things. They really seem to be doing anything they can to get a buck.
do they set their own ticket prices? if so they, and a lot of other "classic rock"artists kinda suck inmho. not that i would go to a doors show to begin with but charging exhorbiant amounts is just cruel to those who hope to see them. the same is true for any classic rock show. a friend of mine saw cream and paid a couple hundred bucks per ticket. it's absurd. you'd think these guys are old enough and rich enough to not be assholes and make thier shows reasonably priced.
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Famous band != great band
Check your math there, Dr. No.
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Franz F. was the band that got me into the slightly alternative music genres, so they'll always be a good band in my book.
I just hope they die soon before they start gaining weight and grow beards, like Jim Morrison did.
Hm, one of them is already there, so maybe it's not too long down the road?
(And I like Franz Ferdinand too. And fuck you if you want to rag on me 'bout it.)
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Hmm back to the topic,
Bands I Don't think have put out a bad release
Summoning
Nargaroth
Judas Iscariot
Therion
Limbonic Art
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I'd have to disagree on the Nargaroth. Never got the appeal, all seems rather boring to me. I also think Summoning are a bit over-rated, but then I think Isengard are better than Darkthrone so a lot of people like to ignore my opinions on black metal.
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Hmm I really like Darkthrone upto "Total Death" anyway That type of BM really apeals to me, probably why I rate bands like Judas Iscariot and Nargaroth so high as they are both hugely influenced by Darkthorne. The whole stripped back minimalist, repetive approach is what I'm really keen on. Nargaroth's Geliebete Des Regens is one of the best cd's I've ever heard in that regard. I'd only rate Filosofem above it.
As for Summoning at least in Australia's there pretty unheard of (apart from the "hey isn't that the old vocalist from Abigor"), which I think is unfortunate because IMO they are the best BM band around at the moment.
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I hear Interpol's OK so I'll choose them
I don't really listen to music, but MTV told me to like them and I'm quite fond of puppets
STELLA
STELLA-HUH
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The whole stripped back minimalist, repetive approach is what I'm really keen on. Nargaroth's Geliebete Des Regens is one of the best cd's I've ever heard in that regard. I'd only rate Filosofem above it.
I love that style of BM: not saying Darkthrone are bad. Under a Funeral Moon, A Blaze in the Northern Sky and Transilvanian Hunger are three of the best BM albums ever, and they've been doing good stuff up into this decade: The Cult is Alive was a bit of a joke, but listen to something like 'Striving For a Piece of Lucifer' off of Hate Them and tell me it's bad. I'm just saying I have a huge hard-on for Isengard, possibly because its now a discontinued project and what was done stands on its own as some brilliant music. Nargaroth, honestly, I've always seen as something of a pastiche of old-school BM. Judas Iscariot have some good stuff though.
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I think Darkthrone wins most charismatic drummer award for Fenriz antics on the Transylvanian Hunger album, simply because he got Peaceville to put out an album that said Norsk Arsk Black Metal across the back, even without the debacle before hand, that still wins points.
As for singers I wholeheartedly agree with KharBevNor in his post about the older styles of metal, but I also dearly enjoy Hansi Kursch, as much as I probably shouldn't because all he does is layer his vocals, but any guy that can get the crowd to sing along with guitar solos I think deserves some credit.
Mikael Akerfeldt as well, he's got a very nice sounding growl, and at the same time a damn clean voice, he's really not THAT charismatic or anything, but he does make blowjob faces when he solos.
Chuck Shuldiner also deserves some credit for being the father to just about every death metal band out there, and having such a wide-ranging influence that when he got his tumor, people no less than Dave Grohl, Napalm Death, Ozzy, and Anthrax tried to help him out.
Minamalist black metal rules, I often fall asleep to Burzum, or some of the earlier Burzum releases, but lately I've been listening to a ton of Agalloch.
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I hear Interpol's OK so I'll choose them
'ok' is a good word to use. perhaps a little too generous at times. antics was pretty bad but i did enjoy Turn On the Bright Lights somewhat. it was interesting anyway, and i did like the general sound of the album, although i only actually liked a couple songs. lyrically somewhat interesting at times too. although i personally don't think they warrant the title of "great band."
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I like them this much more than OK, and that's a lot more. That was my 13 word report on why Interpol is, in fact, a great band.
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i personally don't think they warrant the title of "great band."
Pitchfork would disagree with you there. But Pitchfork also thinks Franz Ferdinand is a great band. Enough said.
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i personally don't think they warrant the title of "great band."
Pitchfork would disagree with you there. But Pitchfork also thinks Franz Ferdinand is a great band. Enough said.
P4k lolololololololololol
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I hear Interpol's OK so I'll choose them
'ok' is a good word to use. perhaps a little too generous at times. antics was pretty bad but i did enjoy Turn On the Bright Lights somewhat. it was interesting anyway, and i did like the general sound of the album, although i only actually liked a couple songs. lyrically somewhat interesting at times too. although i personally don't think they warrant the title of "great band."
Is 'interesting' another word for 'utterly shite'? Paul Banks is one of the worst lyricists of modern times.
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well.....maybe my reaction wasn't quite that extreme. i was trying to be polite. i honestly don't think he has a terrible voice, but it's not something i could put up with for an extended period, that's for sure.
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I didn't say anything about his voice. I like Interpol. I like Paul Banks because he sounds like Ian Curtis and Joy Division are one of my favourite bands; but Paul Banks writes terrible lyrics. What's that line in 'Stella Was a Diver yada yada' she's my something something sex toy lovejoy diver? Load of bollocks.
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Yeah I'm not too fond of Paul's lyrics either. But if you only focus on their bad qualities, such as the lyrics, you will fail to see the true glory that is INTERnationalPOLice. I can't really explain all their good aspects because 1. I'm more tired than a banshee in a Texas tea-fire and 2. I don't really get into all that complex shit with most music. But I'll just go ahead and say "zomg complex song structure and...the bass player wheres sweet gun holsters?" So believe me when I say that you actually do like Interpol and it's all just PITCHFORK'S FAULT THAT ANYONE DOESN'T LIKE INTERPOL...somehow.
But if I only focused on the bad aspects of bands, I wouldn't love Explosions in the Sky so much because, quite frankly, their vocals SUCK BALLS.
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you mean
the vocals that Explosions in the Sky don't have, right
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No they have them, they just suck so bad you subconciously block them out.
And their lyrics won't be winning any lyrical awards for good lyrics either. Like let's say there was an Oscar for good lyrics, right. Let's call this Oscar the "Best Director" Oscar. See, now Explosions in the Sky would not be winning an Oscar for Best Director any time soon.
Seriously, who the fuck tries to rhyme "wombat" with "Gatorade" anyway? I'll tell you who, Explosions. That's who tries to do that.
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Yeah I'm not too fond of Paul's lyrics either. But if you only focus on their bad qualities, such as the lyrics, you will fail to see the true glory that is INTERnationalPOLice.
Is there something wrong with the way I type that means people miss what I'm saying or ignore half of what I typed?
I LIKE INTERPOL. I LISTEN TO THEM.
I DO NOT LIKE THEIR LYRICS.
I DID NOT PASS COMMENT ON PAUL BANKS' VOICE.
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Oh sry. I thought you were saying you didn't listen to Interpol because you didn't like their lyrics. Didn't.
Still friends?
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Friends?
When were we friends?
Who the fuck are you?
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Fight!
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annawanna fight i hurt my leg yesterday!
that hurt my feelings what you said DK :(
EDIT: just noticed that rhymes
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I'll warn you, I have a pair of blunt safety scissors and I'm not afraid of using them.
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Uh, I don't like Interpol at all? Their lyrics, or Bank's voice, or well, all of it? It's kind of massively boring?
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Uh, I don't like Interpol at all? Their lyrics, or Bank's voice, or well, all of it? It's kind of massively boring?
'My school was too poor to teach us about full stops.'
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Uh, I don't like Interpol at all? Their lyrics, or Bank's voice, or well, all of it? It's kind of massively boring?
I can see that. Interpol kind of bored me at first, too. But one day I was in a real shitty mood and I was listening to their album and it suddenly just felt good.
I'M, LIEK, A GOTH.
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I didn't like Interpol at first. Then one day I realized I'd actually heard more Interpol songs than I thought I had, and I'd liked them. Now I like them, and I know it. I prefer this way.
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Of all the threads I've made, I'm (semi-)proud that a (half-)joke is the one that refuses to die.
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And I'm (semi-)amused that you posted that after nobody had posted on this thread for a full day.
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I've never understood the "Interpol has horrible lyrics" thing. She Wants Revenge, now those are laughably bad lyrics (and I think it's intentional, because "I heard it's cold out, but her popsicle melts, she's in the bathroom, she pleasures herself" can not possibly be a serious lyric).
But I like Interpol's lyrics. Lines like "I submit my incentive is romance, I watched the pole dance of the stars" are no more obtuse or awkward than, say, "semen stains the mountaintops". At worst Banks' lyrics are kind of mundane, and his delivery is pretty great.
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i'm not criticizing interpols lyrics. sometimes weak sure, and at time, from what i remember, not too shabby. but please please please never compare interpol to neutral milk hotel. ever.
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I was just pointing out that Jeff Mangum writes some lyrics that a lot of people could argue are pretty bad. Not everyone appreciates his... uh... "unique" style. As much as I love NMH I do sometimes get tired of the cheerleading (especially since a lot of NMH cheerleaders didn't listen to either album until well after they came out... I've had both albums since '98, get back to me when you've had enough time to get burnt out on them). Aeroplane, particularly, hasn't aged nearly as well for me as On Avery Island; I listen to the latter about five times as often as the former.
Now, an album that still sounds as good today as it did in '98 is something like Bardo Pond's "Lapsed" or Labradford's "Mi Media Naranja". I can throw those in and still be every bit as amazed now as I was then.
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"Mi Media Naranja" is indeed brilliant. i love it and it has aged well, you're right.
as for NMH, i've had both since 2000 so i guess you have two years on me and i do absolutly love aeroplane but there are times when i actually prefer on avery island. i think it's underappreciated, since most NMH fans i know have only heard the former. for me though, these albums have aged well and i've listened to them fairly consistently since i got them. i don't think praising is akin to cheerleading either. if it's an honest appreciation for a well deserving talent then i think much praise is warranted. true, maybe those albums aren't as special as the the first few dozen times i heard them, but they're still brilliant methinks.
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Yeah, I agree. I just think a lot of older NMH fans go through "The Five Stages of NMH Fandom":
1. "Oh my God, what is this awful shit?!"
2. (Two weeks later) "Oh my God, this is the best fucking band EVER."
3. (Two years later) "Jeff Mangum is the Bob Dylan of our generation."
4. (Two years later) "Yeah, NMH rock."
5. (Two years later) "I like On Avery Island better."
I don't know why OAI doesn't get as much love as Aeroplane either. To me it has better lyrics "Gardenhead/Leave Me Alone", "Naomi", "Song Against Sex", hell, the whole fucking album. To me "I swear I have nothing to prove, I just wanna dance in your tangles to give me some reason to move" is literally the best lyric I have ever heard in any song, ever. Ever.
And songs like "Oh Comely"... there was a time I worshipped that song and played it at open mic nights and everything, but for some reason now I find it a little boring. I never liked "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" (the song). Now, both parts of "Two Headed Boy" and "King of Carrot Flowers" and "Holland, 1945", yes, those songs are still epic.
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lyrically i prefer OAI in a lot of ways too. i think the entiery of april 8th (darker than many of his songs) and someone is waiting is fantastic. same with where you'll fine me now and....well this post is a little redundant b/c like you said, the whole album.
there's just one part of oh, comely that i really love:
"And I know they buried her body with others
Her sister and mother and 500 families
And will she remember me 50 years later
I wished I could save her in some sort of time machine
Know all your enemies
We know who our enemies are"
this is up among my favorites moments from any song (lyrically, but even more so when mangum actually sings it on the album).
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When I first realized what he was actually saying "You're in the bathroom carving holiday designs into yourself hoping no one would find you, but they found you and they took you and you somehow survived" I got chills... for a while I didn't pay much attention to that song and didn't really listen to the lyrics.
The best part of "Oh Comely" for me is:
Your father made fetuses
With flesh licking ladies
While you and your mother
Were asleep in the trailer park
Thunderous sparks from the dark of the stadiums
The music and medicine you needed for comforting
So make all your fat fleshy fingers to moving
And pluck all your silly strings
And bend all your notes for me
Eventually, every thread becomes about Neutral Milk Hotel. It's inevitable.
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I've never understood the "Interpol has horrible lyrics" thing. She Wants Revenge, now those are laughably bad lyrics (and I think it's intentional, because "I heard it's cold out, but her popsicle melts, she's in the bathroom, she pleasures herself" can not possibly be a serious lyric).
But I like Interpol's lyrics. Lines like "I submit my incentive is romance, I watched the pole dance of the stars" are no more obtuse or awkward than, say, "semen stains the mountaintops". At worst Banks' lyrics are kind of mundane, and his delivery is pretty great.
I have two prime examples of why I hate Paul Banks' lyrics. Now, like I said, I do love this band and I will gladly sing along to the crap he spews (I sing like a motherfucker to 'Obstacle 1.' He never sounds more like Ian Curtis than when he sings 'you go stabbing yourself in the neck.')
Example One:'Well, she was my catatonic sex toy, love-joy diver.'
What?
Example Two:'The trouble is/that you're in love with someone else.'
NO SHIT.
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Hahaha... I never thought Banks sounded too much like Ian Curtis, to me he sounds more like the dude from the Church or the dude from the Chameleons.
And hey, I like the "catatonic sex toy" line... but as I said and you pointed out, yes, some of his lyrics are rather mundane... like "All I want is to be the very best to you" and whatnot... but I personally think "Her stories are boring and stuff" is on some level a purely genius lyric.
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I think that lyric is genius because it hides behind being shit. It's so terrible, that it reads like it's deliberately terrible, which gives the IMPRESSION of genius, which is genius in itself.
If you get me.
I just can't get over that 'you're in love with someone else' line for some reason. I swear I can't listen to that song, ever, because of that line. It's like saying, 'the trouble is, I've been shot in the chest.' 'The trouble is, I have cancer in five places.' Way to fucking go on that observation.
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I think that lyric is genius because it hides behind being shit. It's so terrible, that it reads like it's deliberately terrible, which gives the IMPRESSION of genius, which is genius in itself.
Yes, it passes through "bad" and comes out the other side.
I don't think any other band could pull off a line like "I'm tired of spending these lonely nights teaching myself not to care" without sounding totally pretentious.
I just can't get over that 'you're in love with someone else' line for some reason. I swear I can't listen to that song, ever, because of that line. It's like saying, 'the trouble is, I've been shot in the chest.' 'The trouble is, I have cancer in five places.' Way to fucking go on that observation.
See, now I'm not going to be able to listen to that song either. Good thing I never cared too much for it anyhow.
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Preferring On Avery Island to In The Aeroplane Over The Sea is the same as prefering Isn't Anything to Loveless. I can see someone doing it, but it would be a matter of personal taste, not "it doesn't age as well." Plus arguing that Aeroplane doesn't age well makes little sense to me, since I tend to think of "not aging well" implying that an album is great for its time or genre but doesn't sound as fresh or amazing today. For example, I like the Kinks, but much of their music is so obviously of its era that its more quaint than anything to me--The Kinks Are The Village Green Preservation Society is a great album, to be sure, but it doesn't sound like anything else but a late 60s British rock album. Compare this to, say, The Beatles White Album, which is from the same era, but doesn't sound nearly as dated to me.
That's how I feel about Aeroplane. It doesn't sound like any obvious genre or era of music.
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to be fair i don't think OAI sounds like any genre/age either. i think by not aging well, and i don't want to speak for zero but i will, he meant that he had heard it so many times in the past 8 years that it's lost some of it's lustre. i think looking at guernica for 8 years might have the same effect so it's an understandable sentiment. "aging well" is probably a bad way to phrase it but the fact is that sometimes even the most brilliant of works grow a tad old with very consistent and repetitous listening.
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But that would mean you like something else more because you haven't run it into the ground yet.
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is that an unfair or unacceptable reason for preffering something??
i think there can be a large difference between thinking something is good and liking something. i love both NMH albums and i'd be hard pressed to say which one i prefer. but i do think ITAOTS is a better album. that doesn't mean i have to prefer it though. i'm undecided. same goes for many other albums and movies. take, for example, the movie "gold raiders." it's unbelievably bad but i love it. liking something b/c it's fresher is, i think, perfectly fine.
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What I mean by Aeroplane not aging well is that it has a very immediate visceral impact which is diminished over repeated listens. In this way, I think that people who hear it for the first time tend to exagerrate its greatness, because they haven't spent enough time with it to reconcile its flaws.
I disagree completely about the Kinks, by the way. If anything, I would argue that The White Album sounds more dated than Village Green, though not necessarily worse.
And actually, I do prefer Isn't Anything to Loveless, for much the same reasons I prefer Avery to Aeroplane - I just think the songwriting is better. Nearly half of Aeroplane is nothing but one acoustic guitar and singing. Those songs are great, yes, but I prefer Avery's more diverse sonic palette.
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I have really tried to listen to Avery Island, but every time it comes up on random album, that first two seconds of Song Against Sex rapes my ears and I try for another album.
Seriously, how is that a good way to start an album?
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The opening of "Song Against Sex" is the indie-rock aural equivalent of the little girl with long black hair in Japanese horror movies.
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I want you to explain that analogy because it makes little sense to me.
I concede your points about Aeroplane though I personally think it is and will always be one of my favorite albums. Not because it's some indie rock bedpost and I'm required to like it, though. Recently the ex-leader of my favorite band, Trey Anastasio of Phish, said he was listening to nothing but Aeroplane for weeks on end. It's too bad that hasn't rubbed off on his recent solo albums because they are pretty awful.
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aeorplane will too always be among my all time favorite albums. but on avery island did things aeroplane didn't. it's more diverse and took more challenging routes (just look at the final track) and it deserves praise for that. the lyrical style would certainly appeal to some people more as well. i love both so i'm not sure if i find it more appealing but i almost think the images from on avery island are more poignant in many cases.
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I want you to explain that analogy because it makes little sense to me.
The first couple seconds of "Song Against Sex" jump out at you suddenly and make you go "What the damn?!" in much the same way that little girls with long black hair jump out at you in Japanese horror films.
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The Tragicallly Hip
Sloan
Both great bands I like.
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Keep talking about NMH :-D