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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: effy on 04 Jan 2007, 13:22
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i've been getting into electronica music and drum and bass lately...
i've grown a liking for squarepusher and venetian snares in particular...
does anyone have any suggestions
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thanks
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I don't know a lot about electronica.
I do know however, that The Bird are fucking awesome. Drum and Bass group, ridiculously fun to see live.
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Autechre
Boards of Canada
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Coil
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I have been listenning to Bjork's Post today.
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It's not exactly intense or fast electronica, but the BEST stuff that I've ever heard was I am Robot and Proud.
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You're inevitably going to end up liking Pendulum so might as well get it over with now if you haven't already :mrgreen:
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I don't claim to know anything about electronica, but I do enjoy Talkdemonic(who call themselves something ridiculous like "folktronica") and The Knife(who I suppose are electronica)
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Foreword: my genres are pretty arbitrary in places and probably flat out wrong in others. This is just how I organise things in my head, I am an authority on nothing.
The big list of stuff that is fun and good: (I've put suggested albums next to some of 'em)
80s / old-school Synthpop-
New Order
The Human League - Dare
Elegant Machinery
Anything Box
N.Ever.Endless
Cause & Effect
Lavantgarde
Depeche Mode
Empire State Human
Electronic
Beborn Beton
Modern synth / future-pop-
Iris
Mesh - Who Watches Over Me
De/Vision
And One
Apoptygma Berzerk - Welcome To Earth; 7
B! Machine
Endanger
NamNamBulu
Frozen Plasma
Code 64
VNV Nation
Covenant
Null Device
Sero.Overdose
Syrian
Wolfsheim
The Nine
Tin Star
Icon of Coil
Classic/80s EBM-
Front 242
Front Line Assembly
Die Krupps
Nitzer Ebb
Modern EBM or whatever it's called these days (lots of distortion and angry German men shouting at you)-
Mind.In.A.Box
Funker Vogt
:Wumpscut:
Aesthetic Perfection - Close To Human
Fictional
Rotersand
[:SITD:]
Amduscia
Absurd Minds
Grendel
God Module
Evil's Toy (nowadays these fucks release awful, awful pop music under the moniker "T.O.Y." avoid.)
Dulce Liquido
Agonoize
Hocico
Combichrist
IDM & the like-
You've already got Venetian Snares and Squarepusher so I guess you need some Aphex Twin to complete the set. His ratio of 'actual good song ideas' to 'songs released' isn't very good, so just get Richard D James Album, Selected Ambient Works, and the Polygon Window & Caustic Window stuff.
Cex - Cells
?-Ziq - Lunatic Harness
Autechre
Datach'i
Telefon Tel Aviv
Kid606
Trip-Hop, chillout & downtempo type stuff-
Massive Attack (esp. Mezzanine but basically everything)
Sneaker Pimps - Becoming X
Portishead - Dummy
Morcheeba
Thievery Corporation - The Mirror Conspiracy (arguably the greatest CD ever made)
I Monster - Neveroddoreven
Orbital - Orbital II
Ursula 1000
Ambient-
Delerium albums prior to Semantic Spaces
Synaesthesia
Belong - October Language
The Orb
Rich & Lustmord - Stalker
Stars Of The Lid - The Tired Sound Of Stars Of The Lid
Raison d'Etre
Biosphere - Substrata
Caul
Goa/Psy-trance-
Man With No Name - Earth Moving The Sun
Infected Mushroom
1200 Mics
FREq
Battle Of The Future Buddhas
Gataka
Hallucinogen
Abomination - Enemy Within
Psytekk
Sesto Sento
S.U.N. Project
Juno Reactor
Rinkadink
House & misc mainstream type stuff you probably already know-
R?yksopp
Daft Punk of course
The Knife
The Faint - Danse Macabre
LCD Soundsystem (if you like these guys, Ascii Disko are a quite similar act, worth a look)
My brain broke and I can't think of genres but these are all absolutely essential:
Conjure One - Both albums (self-titled and "Extraordinary Ways")
Delerium - any album since "Semantic Spaces" (inclusive)
M83 - "Before The Dawn Heals Us" & "Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts"
Four Tet - "Rounds"
808 State
ps. http://www.meleebeats.com
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Juno Reactor
All kinds of QFT. Same goes to Boards of Canada, which I've heard several times at a friend's house.
I also would like to offer mention of DJ Shadow.
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I read through this thread hoping, expecting even that someone would mention Aphex Twin.
And it never happened.
I'm disappointed in you guys. :cry:
Seriously, Aphex Twin. Also, he runs a label called Rephlex that I believe Squarepusher is on that releases a lot of good IDM.
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I read through this thread hoping, expecting even that someone would mention Aphex Twin.
And it never happened.
I'm disappointed in you guys. :cry:
Seriously, Aphex Twin. Also, he runs a label called Rephlex that I believe Squarepusher is on that releases a lot of good IDM.
I went to click reply, to type "Aphex Twin" and apparently while I was reading the thread, you typed that.
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While not technically electronica, I would highly recommend the "Oceanic Remixes/Reinterpretations" that Isis released a while ago. It's remixes of songs from Oceanic (obviously) done by Venetian Snares, Justin Broadrick, and Dalek, among others. You can check out the full track listing here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_Remixes_and_Reinterpretations) if you're interested. It's still music originally done by Isis, so you're enjoyment of these remixes would depend on your enjoyment of Isis, but the remixes are definately worth checking out.
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Aphex Twin was mentioned.
You've already got Venetian Snares and Squarepusher so I guess you need some Aphex Twin to complete the set. His ratio of 'actual good song ideas' to 'songs released' isn't very good, so just get Richard D James Album, Selected Ambient Works, and the Polygon Window & Caustic Window stuff.
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Portishead - Dummy
If you listen to Dummy without listening to Portishead right after it, you will die of depression. It's been scientifically proven. Do you want to DIE!?!? Listen to Portishead!
Also, that was a hell of a list. I'm going to try to check out a lot of these bands later.
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If you listen to Dummy without listening to Portishead right after it, you will die of depression. It's been scientifically proven. Do you want to DIE!?!? Listen to Portishead!
Also, that was a hell of a list. I'm going to try to check out a lot of these bands later.
See, it's funny, I never actually got around to checking them out beyond Dummy. Every time I listen to some of Dummy and I feel like listening to their other stuff, I just end up putting that album on repeat, 'cos it's so damn good. You've inspired me.
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The stuff on their official myspace is sounding a bit uninspired, but it also says it's a couple of years old so I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
Does anyone else think half day closing is their best song?
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Just me, then. Ok, since amok so succinctly pwned the original topic - what are your favourite local/unsigned electronic artists?
By way of Scotland, I prefer:
Sabrepulse (http://myspace.com/sabrepulse)
Ohhh! (http://myspace.com/ohhhexclamationmark)
Otterley! (http://myspace.com/otterleymusic)
and of course
eroei (http://myspace.com/eroei)
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Everything I like has been mentioned except for Genghis Tron, but that's cuz they're electronica/grindcore. They oh-so-cleverly label themselves as 'cybergrind'.
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if you want to push out in the vsnares/squarepusher direction (assuming: fast, noisy, often silly -- although they both have done a lot of other stuff), i'd recommend:
shitmat (very silly. breakcore with a sense of humour)
atari teenage riot (unfortunately, they take themselves way to seriously. still worth a listen)
enduser (also sometimes overserious, but i can't really tell. uses a lot of gangsta rap samples. they sound funny recontextualised by a skinny white guy)
bong-ra (a bit hit and miss sometimes but generally pretty cool, amen-mashup stuff)
dj scotch egg is from brighton-via-japan, and makes awesome gameboy-and-megaphone breakcore. he has an album called kfc core, and apparently another one on the way v. soon.
doormouse makes great fucked up messy breakcore from all sorts of samples/other peoples' music. the venetian snares remix of his "skelechairs" track will change your life (i have YSI'd it here (http://download.yousendit.com/8AFF005954005077), do yourself a favour).
duran duran duran (note third "duran") make excessively silly homoerotic breakcore (on the homoerotic breakcore tip you may want to check out dj anal erection and dj rainbow ejaculation. i am not making these names up.)
if you like boards of canada, christ. (he used to work with the BoC guys. full stop's part of the name) and tycho both have similar-but-distinctive sounds.
i am kinda bored of doing little blurbs, but besides the mandatory aphex recommendation that everyone else has chucked in, maybe check out germlin, gay against you, kid 606, maladroit, ove-naxx, and wisp. wisp is especially good.
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Guh! "Electronica" - what is that? Do you mean "electronic music"? "Electronic music" has a very broad definition, and "electronica" is just vague.
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I am scandalized that nobody has mentioned Future Sound of London yet! M83 owe a huge debt (and part of an album title!) to them. Get "ISDN" and "Dead Cities" for absolutely amazing dark-future-cyber-tribal-psychedelia, or get "Lifeforms" for ambient chill-out, or get "The Isness" for a psychedelic hippie album that completely transcends genre and owes more to Bowie or Pink Floyd than anything else.
Also, what about Underworld? Second Toughest In the Infants is still one of the best electronic albums of all time.
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Also, what about Underworld? Second Toughest In the Infants is still one of the best electronic albums of all time.
it is made of win and god.
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solvent is the only group i can think of to add.
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dude Portishead aint electronica, its Trip-hop.
BUt if you like em definately check out Massive Attack and Thievery Corporation.
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Electronica is an overreaching term. Trip-Hop is part of electronica.
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Yeah, basically. It's like 'rock', it's horribly vague and contains lots of more specific and delightfully awesome things.
http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=73:11605
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if anything i would put it closer to hip hop(like some darker Herbaliser) than electronica
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If you like DnB, you like trip-hop, and you just like general oddball electronica stuff, may I recommend:
DJ Krush
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Electronica is an overreaching term. Trip-Hop is part of electronica.
Well, nah. "Electronica" is a vague sub-genre of what's called electronic music.
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The Wikipedia infobox for electronica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronica) says:
Subgenres
Big beat - Bitpop - Chip - Downtempo - Glitch - IDM - Nu jazz - Trip hop
and as we know, Wikipedia is always right.
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Yea, of course, always right.
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Bjork could be classified as Trip-Hop at some times, but really, there's a bunch of directions you could go classifying her.
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Hi everyone, first post.
I can only think of one hip-hop artist Bj?rk has gone anywhere near, an ex-member of the Roots called Rahzel who did some beatboxing on a track or two on 'Medulla'.
FWIW I can probably tell you far too much about all of the producers she's worked with and make some recommendations for where to start if you want to check out what they're doing. Some of her tunes (eg. the majority of 'Vespertine') are previously released pieces of instrumental music she's sung over the top of and re-released as her own.
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Well... to recommend som electronica. Anderson is a nice small electronica group from holland.
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Oh right, is that photo some new project? Sounds like you know plenty about who she's worked with. My work is cut out for me. :)
A little funny that about 2% of the postings here have been on-topic, wrt what the original poster seems to be interested in. He/She actually mentioned a very specific slice of electronica, so going "oh no, it's such a vague term" is a bit ... slack. Not that I'm helping.
Edit: OK, I should help. I'm an old bastard, so I can probably suggest some bits and pieces that have fallen by the way-side.
If you're serious about discovering electronica, I reckon explore record labels. Because they're often one or two person projects, where the "boss" is the A&R and so on, you can find similar sounding or at least like-minded releases coming out on one label. discogs (http://www.discogs.com) is your friend in this regard.
I used to be on the IDM mailing list from around 95-99 and that was when a lot of artists like Squarepusher and whoever else were firing up. There was a kind of movement called "drill n bass" going on, and I remember the label Spymania (http://www.spymania.com/pgs/discog.html) being at the forefront of that.
Mike Paradinas got on the bandwagon, I doubt this forum will let me type the Greek letter [mju], but his main moniker is U-ziq (the U being a [mju], get it, sounds like "music"... hoho... fuck off Mike). Anyway, the album where he suddenly switched sounds was 'Lunatic Harness'. His label Planet Mu (http://www.planet-mu.com/) has released plenty of bods like Venetian Snares.
Luke Vibert / Wagon Christ released a couple of EPs and an album as Plug (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Plug), which had really fiddly and so on.
As has been mentioned Aphex Twin got on this tip. The 'Hangable Auto Bulb' stuff and the 'Richard D James' album are the ones.
There was also a compilation called 'Spunk Jazz' that was a first-class collection of electronica nerds with no concern for the dancefloor being fuckwits. No wait, I mean being really inventive and interesting. :roll:
Be aware that basically all of the artists you could come across following these leads have released a wide variety of stuff. Just looking at the track listing for 'Spunk Jazz (http://www.discogs.com/release/223607)' people like Vert and Animal On Wheels (Andrew Coleman) don't do anything like Squarepusher now... they've had the good sense to settle down a bit. ;)
Oh, and I remember the Clifford Gilberto Rhythm Ensemble (http://www.ninjatune.net/ninja/artist.php?id=19) got slagged off for being Squarepusher copyists, to the point where it was actually questioned whether it was a new alias of Tom's.
Hope that helps. Good luck finding some of this stuff... might be a bit tricky. I had a lot of it, but sold most of it off by the turn of the millenium cos, really, it's a load of shit.
By the way, REPHLEX IS NOT APHEX TWIN'S LABEL. Sorry, someone up there said it was and I get tired of hearing that.
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If you're getting into the somewhat more broken side of electronica I'd recommend...
Aphex Twin, Autechre and Kid606 are the obvious and probably easiest to get a hold of.
Beefcake (and side projects), Gridlock, Bitcrush, Displacer, Tarmvred, CDatakill, Enduser, Hecate, Shinjuku Thief and Somatic Responses are all good and in a vaguely similar vein, if you can get a hold of them.
Coil, Boards of Canada, Contagious Orgasm and Frost are all great acts to look at if you enjoy somewhat more down-tempo electronica.
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OK, sod it, here are Bjork producers / collaborators who do "electronic" stuff that I can think of and leads you could follow up if you like:
Nellee Hooper: Founder of club outfit soundsystem Soul II Soul, founder of Wild Bunch (basically Massive Attack & Soul II Soul when they were one group), produced most all of Debut. Recommendation: Massive Attack's 'Protection', also produced by him, has a few really good moments.
Graham Massey: Founder of acid house outfit 808 State. He's just put out something under a new name, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is... Recommendation: find the 808 State tune Pacific 202 and listen to that on repeat, or try 'Ex:el' which has Bjork singing on a track or two. First I heard of her, actually. Did Army of Me and other bits on 'Post'.
Howie B: Bit shit, IMO, luke warm trip-hop shit. I reckon his production on I Miss You is amazing tho. Recommendation: find Skylab's first album '#1', which is him with Tosh & Kudo (founding members of UNKLE) and others ... beautiful, to my ears what trip-hop was supposed to be... drugged out, psychedelic, ambient instrumentals. Not some downtempo songs.
Tricky: MC/dilettante/tosser. Probably most people know about him. Recommendation: Maxinquaye, one of the best albums of the 90s by a long mile. Like Portishead, this was deceptively difficult listening... Features a young Alison Goldfrapp singing over a Smashign Pumpkins sample too. His Nearly God project featured Bjork on vox too, and my favourite track of his, the haunting Poems (with Terry Hall from The Specials... "I rue the day that I ever met you ... and deeply regret you getting close to me ... Jesus, believe me").
Guy Sigsworth: Pretty clean cut studio producer, most famous for doing the instrumentation for Frou Frou who did that song at the end of Garden State. Recommendation: Forget his own stuff, try his remix of All Is Full Of Love. That's incredible... little Oval CD-skip sounds and fucking weird Jon Hassell-like horns grafted into a really warm and snuggly production.
Plaid: Super melodic, noodly electronica duo, forever remembered in UK techno history as two thirds of the mighty Black Dog. They don't appear on any of Bjork's albums, but she sang on one of theirs, 'Not For Threes'. Recommendation: That album. :)
Mark Bell: Did all of 'Homogenic', from memory. No wonder it's her most coherent sounding... Released stuff under many names, best bits IMO are as LFO. Speedjack stuff was too slamming. First album is a classic, the defining slice of the Sheffield "bleep" sound of the early 90s. Recommendation: LFO - 'Frequencies' or the single of 'Tied Up'.
Matmos: Collabed on some tracks on Vespertine. Duo who do a lot of stuff sampling found sounds (notoriously their album based on surgery sounds, 'A Chance To Cut Is A Chance To Cure', which has basslines made from liposuction pumps and shit). Recommendation: Last year's 'The Rose Has Teeth In The Mouth Of A Beast' had Bjork (doing spoken word) or if you like Slint etc. 'The West' has Dave Pajo all over it.
Matthew Herbert: Collabed on some tracks on Vespertine. He makes a lot of different stuff, but most famous for house music as Herbert. He's also hot for every-day object sampling action. Recommendation: Hmm... could be a pain in the backside and suggest his first 12" as Dr Rockit, but I'd actually say his production on Roisin Murphy's 'Ruby Blue' is the thing I like most from him.
Thomas Knak: Does stuff as Opiate and as a member of Future 3 / System. 3 or 4 tracks on Vespertine are Opiate tracks that Bjork recycled and put vocals on. Not a big fan, so not sure which tracks. Recommendation: System self-titled album. Super-sparse, spangly experiments in electronic dub... tiniest clicking beats, deepest sub bass, everything echoing everywhere every time. ;)
Console: Sorry, forget his real name, but Bjork did the recycling job on one of his tracks too, think off 'Rocket In the Pocket'. Bought an earlier EP of his, never followed up on later stuff cos I just wasn't very interested. That said, he's a member of excellent indie band The Notwist and their output improved a lot after he joined. Recommendation: The Notwist's 'Neon Golden'.
I didn't pick up Medulla or the one connected with Dancer in the Dark or anything subsequent, so dunno.
Hope that's fun. :D
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I would say that Tricky's Pre-Millennium Tension is miles better than Maxinquaye, and that the Nearly God album is about halfway between the two. "Poems" is indeed one of the most incredible things he ever did.
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If you want LFO stuff to sound like 'Homogenic' maybe try something later than 'Frequencies'. I haven't heard last year's 'Sheath' but 'Advance' had some good bits. I think that's still older than 'Homogenic'.
I should also say that lots of people love Guy Sigsworth's Frou Frou project, so give it a go. It makes me want to hurl, but I'm just a random guy on the net, so whatever. :)
Also, if you're being all ga-ga for Bjork (is there any doubt? :wink:) I hope you've checked out Emiliana Torrini. She's on Bjork's label, One Little Indian, and sounds a bit similar vocals wise. There was an amazing series of MP3 remixes years back... I remember the pain of downloading them over a 56k modem. :)
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Aphex Twin may not be on Rephlex but Richard D. James started it, so I think that's where people got the idea from. Plus he released the Analord series on Rephlex.
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Whoops, what I wrote was ambiguous, and I'm actually thinknig now probably completely downright wrong. :oops: I was meaning that Aphex is not involved with the running of the label, even though he started, which I'm pretty sure is 100% true. But now I think about it he may well still co-own it, be involved in the A&R side of things etc. but just steer clear of doing business stuff.
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All this talk of Bjork got me thinking, Mum's electronica and they speak the same voodoo language. Mum <3
Also Datach'i. Datach'i <3 as well, but his <3 is a much smaller, blacker one that beats 862 times per second.
Also Books. Books <33, but that <33 is not so much a bleeps and bloops <33, but more of a samples of old people talking nonsense <33
I'm all outta hearts for now :(
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Two albums you need from the LA label Plug Reasearch:
Adventure Time - Dreams of Underwater Themes. a great cut-n'-paste hip-hop/trip-hop album with a couple guests (Saul Williams, Pigeon Jonh). Sadly underrated. It's one of the best ever in that genre (and it isn't by DJ Shadow or Prefuse73).
In the chill-out/ambient/IDM arena, Dntel - Life is Full of Possibilities. A truly emotional album. Dntel is better known as James Figurine and as that guy who is in The Postal Service with Ben Gibbard (he made all the beats). This album predates The Postal Service (it came out in 2001). Seriously, hit it.
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I second Dntel. Dntel is a yay
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i have mixed feelings for mum. sometimes i love 'em, sometimes they bore me. finally we are no one (the real icelandic version) is actually very very nice for the most part and Sveitin Milli Sanda (the land between solar systems) is fantastic. but 'yesterday was dramatic, today is ok' doesn't really hold my attention too well. i haven't listened to 'summer make good' enough to make a judgement call.
as for the thread, i'm not sure of fridge would be considered electronica (i guess they would. kieren hebden is one the members) is really great and thier 'eph' cd is damn near perfect.
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Fridge are a great live band. I don't think of them as electronica. One of my favourite concerts was seeing Fridge and To Rococo Rot in London in 1999. Oh yeah, everyone should listen to To Rococo Rot.
Mum (wish we could put the accent on the you, "Mum" with no accent are a house duo) bore me to tears, like a latter-day Enya or some shit, although I do like the rattly rattly kitchen sink percussion. I guess it's the super softness of the vox, the same thing Scarlette talks about turning her off Emiliana Torrini.
If you want to talk about Iceland and you like techno, I'd recommend investigating the label Thule. The CD compilation Fishcake still sounds good. I also liked Gus Gus's first album, especially the tune Polyesterday. Have to listen now, in fact!
That Dntel album is great. I listened to it forever and tried to get my friends to give a shit, but they basically failed to care or thought it was a re-tread of the horrific This Mortal Coil albums that used to come out on 4AD... pretentious gloomy business with loads of guest artists fucking things up. I can see their point, but points are dumb. ;) The music grabs me heapsda.
Sorry, just babbling on. Not very interested in either metal or indie, so have to take my opportunities when they come. :)
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i saw fridge live at the TRL 10th Anniversery Fest in NYC and thought they were really great. awesomeness stuff and very unlike the albums. i was surprised by the difference actually.
M?m (that's better. mum is just plain awful) can be quite good. a lot of their stuff is fairly uninteresting but i think some of their songs are really great. there's enough good stuff on 'finally we are no one' to make it worthwhile.
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Nice one! I should've taken the time to agree about Eph, it's awesomely good. I love the monster ending track, think it's Aphelion?
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yeh i love that cd. aphelion is actually the ending track of disc one of two. there's actually 8 more tracks on the second disc, including an even longer (although worse) track than aphelion called terasaka (over 10 minutes, pretty intense). well worth checking out for the uninitiated (who should, if interested in fridge, avoid 'happiness').
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No idea if anyone has said it yet, but it could use another mention anyway:
FOUR TET.
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Primal Scream's electronicy stuff is quite awesome. I especially recommend Evil Heat.
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Isolee makes me shake my booty. It's actually kind of uncomfortable listening to them in public because people start to think I'm gay.
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Can't go past Icelandic music... Has anyone heard of Mugison? I picked up a few of their albums while I was there, in a shop called 12 Tonur... You can open all the CDs in the shop and listen to them on their couch with these discmans, and they bring you an espresso! It's the best :) But yeah, there was heaps of good electronica to sort through. Iceland = good source of electronica.
While we're on the subject, Amiina (who did live strings & such for Sigur Ros) have released a couple of EPs, 'Seoul' and 'Animamina' which are ace
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amiina rule! i saw them sans sigur ros just playing some stuff from their ep and upcoming album at a free concert in philly. afterwards i actually got to meet the girls and talked to them for a bit, going home with an autographed copy of their ep and one of the setlists they hand wrote and used for the show. good times.
anyway, they're not overly electronica. they definetly employ some laptoping in their music but a lot of it is strings/bells/glockenspiels/harmonium ect. so your reccomendation might be a tad misleading. still, a band well worth checking out.
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Primal Scream's electronicy stuff is quite awesome. I especially recommend Evil Heat.
I've not heard Evil Heat yet, but as far as the Scream's electonic stuff, XTMNTR is absolutely stunning.
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amiina rule! i saw them sans sigur ros just playing some stuff from their ep and upcoming album at a free concert in philly. afterwards i actually got to meet the girls and talked to them for a bit, going home with an autographed copy of their ep and one of the setlists they hand wrote and used for the show. good times.
anyway, they're not overly electronica. they definetly employ some laptoping in their music but a lot of it is strings/bells/glockenspiels/harmonium ect. so your reccomendation might be a tad misleading. still, a band well worth checking out.
Oh aye, I probably should've mentioned I was just biggin' 'em up because of the Icelandic connection. Not really an electronic band but quite awesome nonetheless.
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I bought Cavalcade of glee and dadaist happy hardcore pom poms from Venetian Snares yesterday....I'm sure this stuff causes brain cancer :-o