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Fun Stuff => CLIKC => Topic started by: mberan42 on 10 Jan 2007, 00:47
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Steve unveiled it at CES today.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
I must admit, as an adamant non-Mac user, that thing looks pretty damn sweet. Although it might be a tad too small for my taste.
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Its an obvious idea, the touch screen, but how well have they pulled it off
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I wish I could unbuy my Krzr so I could buy that instead.
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That multi-touch stuff is slick. I believe I saw a demo for something similar implemented on a large screen, it was incredible.
Also, yeah, I shot my load. I'm probably going to get one in June.
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I really really really want to know if they're going to lock out third party app devs. It's running OSX, so it *should* be fair game. If it is, that's HUGE. If not, fuckyoudie Apple.
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I have never owned a cell phone. NEVER. But god damn do I want an iPhone.
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Also, yeah, I shot my load. I'm probably going to get one in June.
When I first read that, I wanted to be all "whoa, TMI dude."
Then I read the article.
Needless to say, I think I just did too.
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The iPhone is the herald of the science-fiction future I've always wanted to live.
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ok ok ok
Darlene, be a doll and file this under "Christ, Fucking"
This is basically the phone/cam/pda combo I've been waiting for, only sexier than I ever imagined. If it comes out down here and so long as the price isn't exorbitant I will definitely get one.
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i have a phone, i have an iPod, and i have a mac laptop. i will not cave in and buy one, no matter how sweet it looks. must. not. cave.
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BTW, I don't know if it will apply to this, but Cingular phones can generally be unlocked to work with T-Mobile.
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Oh man, it looks like these babies won't get down this way until 2008.
Fuckstixx
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It's 600 fucking dollars for something that will do everything poorly. SOUNDS LIKE A PS3.
Whatthecockever, Apple.
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I kind of have to agree. Sure, it looks pretty sweet, but 600 dollars for a phone? I think I'll pass, since I hardly use the one I have.
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something that will do everything poorly.
Bias showing much there? It looked like it did a pretty good job at quite a number of things to me.
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Yes. Apple's presentation of their own device sure does make it look capable!
Name one all-in-one device ever made that actually does everything well.
The iPod works because it's an mp3 player. It was designed as an mp3 player. It plays mp3s. It does that one task well. It's decent at video. It's arse at games.
I do not think a goddamned phone should be running OSX. It should not be running Windows. It should be making phone calls.
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Name one all-in-one device ever made that actually does everything well.
Computer. The iPhone sure as hell is not a phone.
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Im a mac user. But this puts me off wanting one.
Battery
* Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
* Up to 16 hours Audio playback
Up to 16 hours of battery life refers to music playback. Up to 5 hours of battery life is based on H.264 1.5-Mbps video at 640-by-480 resolution combined with 128-Kbps audio.
But how long will the battery last while its just in my pocket? Thats what i want to know.
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I have a nano (iPod), a Sony Ericsson (Phone), and a laptop (Internet). All three facets of the iPhone that they're advertising.
Plus, do you think that they had a cooler name for it, but just caved and went with the public opinion?
Also, you may want to watch this: Apple Keynote (http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/). The whole middle part is about the iPhone.
Don't get me started on Microsoft's keynote.
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Oh man, it looks like these babies won't get down this way until 2008.
Fuckstixx
The article says it's Quad-band GSM, so it wouldn't surprise me if these started being imported like crazy.
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When I first saw it, I thought it looked pretty damn sweet, but I'm a skeptic. Sure, for some people it might be the ideal phone/PDA-thingy, but I don't think it's something for everyone.
Some reasons, I can't be arsed to mention all my skepticism:
- The price is high - maybe not considering what it can do, but for people wanting a phone it's probably too much, unless, you know, you're loaded.
- Seeing as they say it's a phone and an iPod (which can, maaaybe, justify the price if you add into the applications it's running etc), I'm assuming they're meaning that you should be able to use this instead of a regular iPod for music, video and images. But at the same time, it's supposed to have OS X and various programs etc, and I happen to think 4 or 8GB isn't enough storage for this purpose. I'd have to carry around the iPod and the iPhone.
- Writing text messages on a touch screen on a full qwerty-keyboard with ones fingertips sounds like hell, but that might just be a habit thing. Dunno.
- 5 hours sounds like not very much battery time, I think they should tell us how long it'll last in standby-mode as well.
- By the time it comes to Norway, the price will probably be at least 50% higher.
But like I said, for those wanting a smooth PDA, who can afford this thing and who's not planning on filling it with their above average-sized music/video-collection, then it might just be ideal. For me, though, it's not. I'd want an all-in-one-gadget at that prize to actually be a full replacement for whatever it's supposed to replace. This goes for my Sony Ericsson as well, I pretty much never use the walkman-thingy, it's just..not good enough - too little storage (yes, I know I can buy memory cards) and it feels..clumsy.
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I still think I'm one of the few people on Earth who just wants a phone to make phone calls.
Hell, I even got rid of my cell phone plan in November when my contract was up. I use... an answering machine now!!!
I have an mp3 player for... playing mp3s. I have a computer for... e-mail and the like. I have a phone for... making calls. I do not need to pay more money for something else to do the stuff I can already do. Especially when it's an Apple.
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Usually, I'm very careful about Apple products and not exactly excited by them (the iPod for example isn't nearly as good as the hype would want you to believe, if you ask me), but goddamn, the iPhone does look very neat.
I really love the high resolution, the WiFi and especially multitouch. Those are some killer selling points, if you ask me. And on the whole, it seems they pulled the whole thing off rather well.
But I still won't buy one in the foreseeable future (like maybe Q3/4 in 2008 or something, if it's still the best and unique then). I have no money and a working phone and also, there are several things that really bug me about the iPhone. The fact that it runs on OSX but I still can't install applications really sucks. That simply means it's not a smartphone and I use those features on my Nokia. I'm skeptical about battery life and I would love to see how the screen holds up to daily abuse. No 3G is another big minus for me, as is the no removable battery and no expandable memory.
Still, it seems like a very innovative product and I would love to toy around with it a bit.
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Steve unveiled it at CES today.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
I must admit, as an adamant non-Mac user, that thing looks pretty damn sweet. Although it might be a tad too small for my taste.
correction, macworld, in san francisco, Apple holds their own thing and don't make a presence at CES in Las Vegas.
oh and for those who thought it was too good to be true, that's because this is the real iPhone
(http://gallery.ilounge.com/ipod/albums/keynote07/Macworld_keynote07%20-%20086.jpg) (http://gallery.ilounge.com/ipod/displayimage.php?album=67&pos=280)
Source www.ilounge.com (http://www.ilounge.com)
oh, and ladybug:
Some reasons, I can't be arsed to mention all my skepticism:
- The price is high
Most people who buy this wouldn't buy it just to use as a phone (I hope), so the price in reality, for a top of the line phone, is quite fair, (although the network prices will most likely be added on, *sigh*)
- Writing text messages on a touch screen on a full qwerty-keyboard with ones fingertips sounds like hell, but that might just be a habit thing. Dunno.
if you watch some of the demo's on the apple site, you'll see that if you type "aople" it'll change it to "apple" so it has an on the fly spellcheck which takes into account mashed up buttons.
- 5 hours sounds like not very much battery time, I think they should tell us how long it'll last in standby-mode as well.
- By the time it comes to Norway, the price will probably be at least 50% higher.
we have to take into account this current unveiling is a tech release, not product release, as of yet per se. Coming closer to june prices will be confirmed and fine details like battery life, will this work with this... etc... will be ironed out in reviews and press releases from both apple and Cingular and other worldwide mobile carriers.
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Fuckstixx
The article says it's Quad-band GSM, so it wouldn't surprise me if these started being imported like crazy.
Yeah, most likely all you'll need to do is unlock the phone and pop a SIM in it.
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Provided they don't use the battery makers who made the batteries for their earlier iPods (some swedish company IIRC) it'll be OK in that respect
I have objection to this pic though.....
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/01/dsc_0176.jpg)
Everyone uses mice, the click wheel isn't revolutionary, and I fail to see how multitouch can be that useful - hell, I don't need two mice. Yes, function keys and what not...but on a screen that small?
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This is really why multitouch is amazing (http://ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han&flashEnabled=1)
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I'd like a multitouch monitor on a laptop.
But I have a 30 GB iPod, 6 megapixel digital camera, and a Razr for less than the price of that phone. I guarantee all three do what they do a lot better than the iPhone.
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The iPhone is not a Smartphone (http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/)
- No 3G.
- No over the air iTunes Store downloads or WiFi syncing to your host machine.
- No expandable memory.
- No removable battery.
- No Exchange or Office support.
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My Palm Treo doesn't have a removable battery, which was never a problem for me with that phone, I can see why that's a frustration though. The lack of exchange support is annoying in a certain context, but on the other hand I'd love to have a phone I can finaly sync to the mac without jumping through hoops. I certainly haven't seen anything that says there won't be support for office attachments though.
It's not 3G because in order to do that I believe. you need to have a Qualcomm chip in it, and Apple is in bed with Intel, so that's not going to happen. As it stands, 3G means "the ability to transfer simultaneously both voice data (a telephone call) and non-voice data (such as downloading information, exchanging email, and instant messaging)" which this phone supposedly can do.
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This is really why multitouch is amazing (http://ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han&flashEnabled=1)
Daniel, that is approximately 400,000 different kinds of AWESOME. I'm already dreaming of how slick it would be to have a multi-touch screen in my recording studio; I don't know how much easier that would make editing, but it would be hells of fun!
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I would love to have a screen like to use as a digital darkroom, it would be incredible.
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Noone has so far mentioned the two things that I'm scared of.
First off, anyone remember the scratch issue with the first batch of nano? And the (smaller) scratch issue with the following? Here you have a whole touchscreen to scratch, wooo!
Secondly, how greasy doesn't that screen become? to watch a movie on it (or maybe only use at all it depending how good the display reflects and such) will probably need a wiping first, and if you skip och fast forward on the movie? the same thing again...(that's why styluses actually are pretty good).
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A macrumor thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500[/url) when the iPod was first announced 5 years ago.
It's rather entertaining. Everything from "revolutionary" to "Get your head out of your ass, Steve - this'll never work."
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Look, I'm not too concerned about the tech. What I want to play with is the UI.
IMHO, the deciding factor in every Mac product that I've been impressed with has been the UI, not the underlying iron. If this iPhone (and wasn't that a Cisco trademark?) can do everything it says it can with the same level of ease as I can play music on an iPod, I will buy it - not because I need it, but because UI design that incredible is worth supporting.
Also, issues like screen durability, battery life, etc... If you're that concerned, wait for the next-gen version to come out.
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OK, so it's confirmed (Phil Schiller, Apple VP) that it won't run 3rd party apps. This blows, and I'm working with some other Mac developers to organize a bug filing campaign about it. This may or may not be a good idea, but it'll at least let 'em know what we want.
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A macrumor thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500[/url) when the iPod was first announced 5 years ago.
It's rather entertaining. Everything from "revolutionary" to "Get your head out of your ass, Steve - this'll never work."
Three things that ultimately led to the iPod's success:
1) The design. It was simple, unique, and made it instantly lusted after.
2) The ability to fit your entire music library in your pocket. Memory set it apart from flash players, size set it apart from other HD players.
3) And I think this is the most important- iTunes. The largest, most comprehensive legal digital media service in existence. Without it and its connectivity to the iPod, the iPod would be nothing.
It was an unexpected, unholy trinity of design and functionality that no one could have predicted. I don't see that in the iPhone, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Ozy, I agree with you to an extent.
For my money, though, what made the iPod a success was how easy it was to use in comparison to earlier products of the type, combined with a sufficient growing of awareness of the underlying (MP3) technology. MP3 players had been around for years, but they were slow, big, clunky, hard to use - basically non-functional. The iPod (and iTunes, certainly) fixed all those problems, and did it in style. That's what drove the initial uptake.
Now consider the (for lack of a better word) "enhanced phone" market. Almost everything that it looks like the iPhone can do, other phones can already do - but not well. If the iPhone's interface is good enough to make dealing with media, phone contacts, address books and other PDA stuff, and online content, then it's going to go great guns. Basically Apple have chosen their timing well - the technology is there for connection and mobile processor speeds sufficient to make the enhanced content viable, people have seen the technology before, but no-one's given them a good way to use it.
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Most of these arguments can be directoed towards iTV as well.
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the new iPhone quattro. (http://theairbag.blogspot.com/2007/01/apple-inc.html) now with 4 razors.
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the new iPhone quattro. (http://theairbag.blogspot.com/2007/01/apple-inc.html) now with 4 razors.
:-D
Perfect, I do actually miss some features ;)
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i have a phone, i have an iPod, and i have a mac laptop. i will not cave in and buy one, no matter how sweet it looks. must. not. cave.
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Oh man, it looks like these babies won't get down this way until 2008.
think about it this way: by 2008, most of the the hokey and inevitable bugs associated with first-gen apple hardware will have been ironed out. might be cheaper by then, too.
anyone else peeved that 10.5 didn't even get a look-in in the keynote? more generally, nothing directly mac-related (new hardware, iwork 07, etc) was mentioned. in fact the only new mac-related stuff at all as of now is this (http://www.apple.com/wireless/80211/), and yeah: no mention. also: "Apple Computer, Inc." are now just "Apple, Inc."
</griping>
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I also wanted info on Leopard or maybe even Office 2007, which I'm waiting impatiently for, so I was mildly disappointed. Also because iPhone is too expensive for me (plus the stuff I mentioned above), Apple TV sounds like something that would be best in use if you actually could purchase movies and TV episodes from iTunes Music Store (which we can't in Norway yet) and Apple changing its name didn't really affect me at all, so it was kinda like watching someone else get all the fun :p
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yeah, the name change thing just seems to hint at apple going from "computer company" to "consumer electronics company, and also we make computers" (sony style, or whatever). i mean, i guess that was happening with the ipod, but the two new devices announced in the keynote really do confirm it.
on the MS office front, Office 2008 (!!!) got announced talked about by MS the other day at macworld (http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/01/09/msftoffice/index.php). other stuff happens there besides steve jobs and his turtleneck! really!
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Ah, how logical. 2008 in 2007. But damnit, "late 2007" is mooonths away :/ I kinda need it now.
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What's wrong with Office 2003? Granted, all I do are basic spreadsheets in Excel, documents in Word and the very basic occasional database in Access (which I hate hate hate), but what is it about 2007 that you're anticipating?
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I'm waiting for Office 2008 because it will have full support for Intel Macs, and seeing as I don't have Office 2004, I'm skeptical towards buying three year old software that isn't even universal binary, right before the new version comes out. I'm currently surviving with NeoOffice, after the Office 2004 test period was over, but I dislike it. Office 2004 seemed better, even though it's not universal binary yet, but I don't want to purchase it when I know Office 2008 is coming and I'm living off a student loan so I can't afford both.
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Ahh. Yeah, that's a pretty good reason.
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This is really why multitouch is amazing (http://ted.com/tedtalks/tedtalksplayer.cfm?key=j_han&flashEnabled=1)
Holy God.
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good lord....that was one of the coolest things i've seen in a long time....wow.
everyone should watch that. the description of multi-touch on the apple site just doesn't do it justice.
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The iPhone will not be using he multi-touch that effectively.
I want a laptop with that interface, though. With an OS entirely designed around it.
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yeh i know the iphone won't come close to that. but han definetly said things should be going in that direction. will laptops eventually just be screens with multi touch technology?? b/c that would be beyond amazingly cool.
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laptops will be a thing of the past in a while....
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Fuck iPhone. I am waiting for the full neural network. Also, lasers as limb substitutes.
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It always intrigues me how people harp on about how amazing Apples interface design is, because I've never used an apple product I found easy to use. In fact, I've generally found them to be full of style-over-substance touches that make them annoying to use. The desktops with the stupid, unergonomic one button mouse and that fucking mac button that makes keyboard shortcuts more of an annoyance than a convenience are the worst culprit. I hate those fucking things so much. But anyway, as pointed out here earlier, it's very nice, but it isn't going to be a decent mp3 player, and it's functionality is already available in tons of other phones or pdas. As for the multi-touch screen, yes, very nice, but why do you need it on a fucking phone? Style over substance.
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As a user of both Windows desktop PCs and an Apple laptop I can assure you that both platforms have substance and that I prefer neither. I can also inform you that you are mistaken in assuming that because something has style means that its substance is therefore lacking. Apple's entire business model is about taking intimidating things such as computers, MP3 players and smartphones and making them incredibly user-friendly. Assuming that because some effort went into the presentation the product itself is somehow lacking is a fallacy.
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fucking mac button that makes keyboard shortcuts more of an annoyance than a convenience are the worst culprit.
guh?
How is it even different from using ctrl, aside from being two keys over? Also, are you aware of things like every text field having emacs keybindings? or the heirarchical task switcher? (cmd-tab to switch apps, cmd-~ to switch windows within an app. Major improvement over just cycling through windows)
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(http://www.doyle.com.au/images/battle_clontarf.jpg)
Hey Applers! Right click!
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*does so*
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Hey, PC users! Get GarageBand!
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Hey apple users! Get 99% of every computer game ever.
I don't know why you think that I 'assume' that Apple products are worse than PCs. I use imacs and emacs almost every day. I must spend nearly twice as much time a week, if not more, on apple computers as I do on PCs, and I find them frankly to be gimmicky pieces of shit. The hardware isn't ergonomically sound (the difference to using control is that it makes all the cut/paste shortcuts harder, there's only one of them and it's POINTLESS. Why not just have a fucking right mouse button?) and the default software sucks shit. Except for the stuff made by Microsoft. I won't even get on to how you can't so much as put in a bit of RAM yourself with any ease. I won't even go in to the fact that they're ugly. I just dislike the things. I can use them, but only under duress.
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I used the word "assume" in saying that you appeared to be making the assertion that, because something has style, it must not have substance. Also, bam (http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/)! VIDEO GAMES.
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(the difference to using control is that it makes all the cut/paste shortcuts harder, there's only one of them and it's POINTLESS. Why not just have a fucking right mouse button?)
I was talking about keyboard shortcuts, which are literally identical to PCs, except two keys to the right; hence my confusion with your complaint. When I want to right click, I right click or two finger click depending on the machine*.
*none of my non-laptop machines use any Apple peripherals (mice, keyboards, etc...) due to their massive suckage. This also avoids the whole right click bullshit nicely.
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back on topic (a little)
Do Cisco have a reasonably case against Apple wrt to the trademark Cisco have on iPhone?
(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/01/11/iphone2xx_narrowweb__300x299,0.jpg)
(the two 'iPhones' for comparisson)
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Possibly no (http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236):
An investigation into the ongoing trademark dispute between Cisco and Apple over the name "iPhone" appears to show that Cisco does not own the mark as claimed in their recent lawsuit. This is based on publicly available information from the US Patent and Trademark office, as well as public reviews of Cisco products over the past year. The trademark was apparently abandoned in late 2005/early 2006 because Cisco was not using it.
Something similar applies in Europe, were a request was filed to strip cisco of ownership based on lack of use earlier in the day they launched their iPhone. It may wind up being the case that not only does cisco no longer own the rights, but that their last ditch attempt retain control was an attempt to extort from Apple (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,9075-2548384,00.html).
This is going to be a very interesting case to follow.
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Interesting article....
I don't like Cisco, because they build the Great Firewall of China, though that is nothing to base this on. I also don't like Apple's general use of interoperability, though they are getting better. I don't really trust either - if Cisco are into really branding themselves more in the home its reasonable they'd want to defend their 'names', even though it was Apple that made the letter 'i' famous. Thats kinda playing off someone elses popularity, which isn't a good thing most of the time.
I don't know how similar this is to the Apple vs Apple case (something I never understood is why it took Apple records so long to notice that Apple computers were in the music industry :roll:) but I shall try and follow this one a little more closely.
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Also, yeah, I shot my load.
This was precisely my reaction, in my head. Sadly I lack the plumbing for a proper physical manifestation thereof. The female equivalent just lacks the power to equal the sentiment.
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You squirted your vag.
Hmm, yeah, you're right. Doesn't equal the sentiment.
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It's just not as... forceful.
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Creaming ones panties could be an acceptable substitute....
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ZOMG SOMEONE GOT ONE FROM AMAZON (http://www.iphoneunboxed.com/)
sorry guys
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CUPERTINO, California?January 17, 2007?Apple? today announced financial results for its fiscal 2007 first quarter ended December 30, 2006. The Company posted record revenue of $7.1 billion and record net quarterly profit of $1.0 billion, or $1.14 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $5.7 billion and net quarterly profit of $565 million, or $.65 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 31.2 percent, up from 27.2 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 42 percent of the quarter?s revenue.
Apple shipped 1,606,000 Macintosh? computers and 21,066,000 iPods during the quarter, representing 28 percent growth in Macs and 50 percent growth in iPods over the year-ago quarter.
?We are incredibly pleased to report record quarterly revenue of over $7 billion and record earnings of $1 billion,? said Steve Jobs, Apple?s CEO. ?We?ve just kicked off what is going to be a very strong new product year for Apple by launching Apple TV and the revolutionary iPhone.?
?We generated over $1.75 billion in cash during the quarter to end with $11.9 billion,? said Peter Oppenheimer, Apple?s CFO. ?Looking ahead to the second fiscal quarter of 2007, we expect revenue of $4.8 to $4.9 billion and earnings per diluted share of $.54 to $.56.
And my stock goes up! Woo!
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ZOMG SOMEONE GOT ONE FROM AMAZON (http://www.iphoneunboxed.com/)
First apple use bad plastics which scratches all to easily and now they use paper?
Why don't they EVER learn...
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And my stock goes up! Woo!
I think having bought one and had it in the shop for so long should entitle me to some Apple stock, just so I can make mad cash monies by sitting on my ass.