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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Disgruntled Jack on 22 May 2007, 17:55
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Okay, so, I've always been one of those people who thought that goths looked really stupid and that music that talked about killing people was for no.
Then I happened to listen to Voltaire's album Devil's Bris on Musicmatch Jukebox (Sort fo an off-brand iTunes)
...and I liked it. I mean, I really liked it. Somehow the idea of music that could give me nightmares is really appealing to me now.
Does this mean I have to wear makeup and black and fishnets and leathe rand such, or...what?
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Voltaire is kind of cool. I wouldn't deign to really call him goth though. I think the man himself would probably be the first to agree with me.
You're not goth until you like the following ten bands:
Alien Sex Fiend
Bauhaus
The Birthday Party
Christian Death
The Cure
Joy Division
London After Midnight
The Sisters of Mercy
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Virgin Prunes
If you like all the above bands you should consider getting some eyeliner.
Also, you should just generally consider actually reading something about goth.
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So liking certain bands makes you goth even if you don't dress like it?? I guess this means I must be a hipster even though I don't dress like a douchebag, since I like 'indie' bands.
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So liking certain bands makes you goth even if you don't dress like it?
Yeah. Goth isn't actually defined by the black eyeliner, it's a musical thing.
Also, since I've seen it in so many threads recently (forum title notwithstanding), what is a hipster anyway?
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Voltaire is kind of cool. I wouldn't deign to really call him goth though. I think the man himself would probably be the first to agree with me.
You're not goth until you like the following ten bands:
Alien Sex Fiend
Bauhaus
The Birthday Party
Christian Death
The Cure
Joy Division
London After Midnight
The Sisters of Mercy
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Virgin Prunes
If you like all the above bands you should consider getting some eyeliner.
Also, you should just generally consider actually reading something about goth.
I would just like to say that about two-thirds of those band names are giving me some really weird mental images.
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Voltaire is kind of cool. I wouldn't deign to really call him goth though. I think the man himself would probably be the first to agree with me.
You're not goth until you like the following ten bands:
Alien Sex Fiend
Bauhaus
The Birthday Party
Christian Death
The Cure
Joy Division
London After Midnight
The Sisters of Mercy
Siouxsie and the Banshees
Virgin Prunes
If you like all the above bands you should consider getting some eyeliner.
Also, you should just generally consider actually reading something about goth.
Shit, I listen to most of those bands. I also listen Killing Joke and The Mission. Then again, I like post-punk in general.
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The Birthday Party
are we talking about the nick cave band here or something obscure that only you've heard of...cause i really can't classify the nick cave band as goth
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No Gridgm, you have it correct. They're post punk, more than goth, but they can still be included on the list.
Dude, the term "goth" has been misused beyond recognition, just like "emo" has. There are kids at my school who listen to Trivium, Killswitch Engage, Senses Fail, etc. and call themselves goth.
I like the Wu-Tang Clan and Talib Kweli. Does that make me a gangsta?
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So liking certain bands makes you goth even if you don't dress like it?? I guess this means I must be a hipster even though I don't dress like a douchebag, since I like 'indie' bands.
No, it is not "You are A if you like B." It is "You are not A until you like B." To the second point, I believe Khar's post was kind of tongue in cheek, or to use a literary term, hyperbole - after all, you don't necessarily need to dress like a douchebag to be one.
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Also, since I've seen it in so many threads recently (forum title notwithstanding), what is a hipster anyway?
"Hipster" is one of those useless rhetorical expressions that you don't really need to give a shit about defining, like "politically correct". It's only used to cast someone else in a negative light.
Cat and Girl both rule on the subject, as per usual. http://catandgirl.com/view.php?loc=455
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The Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_%28contemporary_subculture%29) on hipsters is hilarious, and the discussion page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_%28contemporary_subculture%29) even more so. Exactly what I expected it to be. Maybe someone should just replace it with a bunch of Cat and Girl "Hipster Scout" comics?
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I like the Wu-Tang Clan and Talib Kweli. Does that make me a gangsta?
shit yeah muthafucka
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what about Fields of the Nephilim? Im not huge into goth, but I enjoy their stuff.
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what about Fields of the Nephilim? Im not huge into goth, but I enjoy their stuff.
I'm pretty sure they were goth.
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The Cure and Joy Division goth? Really? I mean sure Robert Smith does look like Eddie Scissorsands... but that is very happy music... like the love cats is hardly drenched in misery.
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The Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_%28contemporary_subculture%29) on hipsters is hilarious, and the discussion page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_%28contemporary_subculture%29) even more so. Exactly what I expected it to be. Maybe someone should just replace it with a bunch of Cat and Girl "Hipster Scout" comics?
from the discussion page
the Hipster insult is a subclass of the insult poseur
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The Cure and Joy Division goth? Really? I mean sure Robert Smith does look like Eddie Scissorsands... but that is very happy music... like the love cats is hardly drenched in misery.
Pornography and Disintegration aren't exactly cheerful albums, though.
Hell, most of Alien Sex Fiend's stuff is kind of happy. Or if not happy, at least up-beat if extremely crazed. Same as Specimen's stuff, really.
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You know goths can be happy right?
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Funny, I remember back in Jr. High, when all the nu-metal kiddies were considered goths.
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Joy Division goth? Really?
Oh heavens yes.
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Joy Division goth? Really?
Oh heavens yes.
I've never considered Joy Division to be full-on goth. I've always considered them more proto-goth since they influenced post-punk as a whole.
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Joy Division goth? Really?
Oh heavens yes.
I've never considered Joy Division to be full-on goth. I've always considered them more proto-goth since they influenced post-punk as a whole.
Joy Division are retconned goth.
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You know goths can be happy right?
Lies!
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Fields of the Nephilim formed in 1984, putting them definitely in the second wave of goth, as in a band that deliberately, from the outset, chose to be goth and remained so as part of a defined subculture.
As for points about goth and post-punk...goth IS post-punk. Joy Division were the first band ever to be referred to as 'gpthic'. The Cure and the Banshees were absolutely instrumental in defining goths look, with Robert Smith and Siouxsie Sioux being the male and female prototypes respectively. There is a sort of magic period between about 1980 and 1982 where what you call goth, post-punk or no-wave is really all a matter of personal taste in a lot of cases. I could certainly make the case that the Birthday Party were all three simultaneously. As for happiness in goth music...oh come on. You're kidding right? The veritable theme tune of the whole subculture is a novelty dub track about Bela Lugosi (and whether is dead, not dead or undead). The NME, still inflated by their success in the late 70's, tried to call the whole genre 'positive punk'. Like the previous 'Gothic revival' of the Mid 18th to early 19th century, and the better classic Universal Horror films, the whole thing was, indeed in the better circles is, really just a studied exercise in high camp and kitsch, with some great music and clothes thrown in. An excuse to drink absinthe by the bottle, dance like a broken street-sweeper and pretend to be a vampire in an atmisphere of comfortably disinterested artistic introspection. The real arseholes, the glum, over-serious forced depressives who view self-harm as a mark of status, who wear the black as a uniform, who seriously think that 'goth points' and other such satirical constructs actually exist, and think the Sisters of Mercy were being serious didn't turn up mostly until about 1990, and the really brutal perversions didn't come about until the whole concept started disseminating itself outside the major American cities in the (largely) pre-internet age. Goth is a state of mind more than anything, musical taste being somewhat important and fashion sense, in the scheme of things, the least...and the first and only rule is that a real goth never, ever calls themself goth unless they're joking.
Nu metal kiddies are about as far from the original denizens of the slimelight club as bonobo monkeys are from the Neitzschean ubermensch.
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As much as I don't want to lower the interlectual tone of the thread I'm obliged to post this
http://www.epsilonminus.com/darquedungeon/
Oh and Khar's comparison of a Monkey to the Ubermensch was amusing I was conjuring up all sorts of images of a Simian swinging across Neitszche metaphorical rope over the abyss.
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Oh fuck yeah! I was actually looking for that comic just two weeks ago. For some reason possibly pertaining for his new-found love for legal action very few of the good anti-Chick sites have been updated in a couple of years. *bookmarks*
On the metaphorical tight-rope over the abyss, the bonobo stopped somewhere in the middle to have a wank and has never been heard of since.
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Hahahaha love the Front 242 lyrics in the club in that comic. :D
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This ones almost as good
http://www.epsilonminus.com/godhatesthescene/
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Haha, that's amazing.
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I just recently realized what Johnny C's user name is related to. That's pretty disturbing.
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It's not, actually. I asked him this question before. He's never even read JTHM.
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I'm not sure whether I'm relieved or bummed out.