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Fun Stuff => ENJOY => Topic started by: SleeperCylon on 09 Aug 2007, 17:14
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Can you imagine...an alien virus...that turns every classic movie it touches...into rehashed fluff?
Come on now, isn't there a single writer in Hollywood who has both an original idea *and* a big budget?
It's like they're banking on their target audience not being old enough to know the original existed.
I bet the good guys even win in this one.
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italian job
*shivers*
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I'm not against the idea of a remake but I've yet to see a remake that is really very impressive. I didn't mind Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes because that was more of a retelling of the story rather than a tired rehashing of what we've seen before but still, it wasn't amazing. They're making The Last Man with Will Smith in the lead role (no, it isn't Y: The Last Man, it is a remake of The Omega Man which I believe starred Charlton Heston or someone like that...) and that might be good. I haven't seen the original so I don't have a baseline off of which to judge it. I shall let you know...
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My husband and I have been bitching about this for several years, because it really does seem to be a trend in movie-making right now. I am also not necessarily opposed to the idea of a re-make in general, but I think that to make it worthwhile, it has to either go in a completely different direction, or it has to be way better than the original. Honestly, in the case of Ocean's Eleven, the re-make is just an all-around better movie. Most of the time, though, that's not the case; and increasingly, we seem to be seeing shitty re-makes of shitty old movies. Like The Italian Job, previously mentioned. For example - The Stepford Wives? Why? Why the fuck, why? The original is okay - not earth-shattering, but okay. The re-make, despite several great cast members, was terrible. Why re-make a movie that's going to be shittier than the original? With Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, however - while I personally like the original Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory with Gene Wilder better - I understand that Tim Burton was going for a creepier, more fantastical, weird re-telling of the story, and I was interested to watch it, just to see the story a different way.
Our theory is that the public will finally revolt against re-makes when someone tries to do The Wizard of Oz, which of course, just cannot be done, and it's a movie that appeals to almost every person in the general population (ie, not a genre piece that most people don't care about).
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shitty old movies. Like The Italian Job
WHOA WHOA WHOA! The original Italian Job is a fantastic piece of cinema and I will not hear a bad word said about it.
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The new Italian Job had Edward Norton and Donald Sutherland in it and they were both excellent. While I love Michael Caine I am just so sorry but the old Italian Job still sucked. The point is the new Italian Job while not utterly fantastic was decent, while the old one dragged its ass like a two legged dog.
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The new Italian Job had Edward Norton and Donald Sutherland in it and they were both excellent. While I love Michael Caine I am just so sorry but the old Italian Job still sucked. The point is the new Italian Job while not utterly fantastic was decent, while the old one dragged its ass like a two legged dog.
I'm sorry, but even if it had been a good movie otherwise, the presence of Mark Wahlberg and the ridiculously bad Mini Cooper plot twist (I think it could better be called a plot diversion) dragged the new one down to the basement. I haven't even seen the old one, but I'm willing to call it the better movie just on principle.
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Get Carter ;_;
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Retelling stories over and over is something that's been going on since people could talk. There are a thousand books out there with the same fairy tales, all told slightly differently. Remaking movies isn't anything new, either. It can be cool to have the story updated to a more modern setting. A lot of successful movies were remakes, and many people didn't even realize it.
The only time I really have a problem with it is when the newer version is worse than the original, which seems to be happening a lot more lately. Why remake a movie if it's not going to be as good?
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Dollar bill, y’all, dollar bill, y’all, dollar dollar dollar dollar dollar bill y’all
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What I love is that Michael Cain had to learn how to drive to do the original Italian Job. He didn't have a drivers lisence.
The ending was ambiguous which I think is a million times better than the fluffy remake where everyone ends up all happy. What we need are some dark movies, movies where then ending is not so happy.
Something that amuses me is that most Turkish movies end with the hero dying.
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American movies in particular have this problem where the ending has to be all happy. I for one can appreciate a good tragedy. Sometimes fate just smacks you one good and that's the way it goes. Or dying for your cause is what makes you a hero in the first place.
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haha. That's what I tell people all the time. "Don't worry, it'll end happy." "How do you know that?" "It's an American movie. It's, like, a rule."
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On the subject of movies with happy endings that really shouldn't. Who else thinks that Stranger than Fiction would have been so much better had the main character died at the end. I felt that statement would have been so much more moving than what actually happened. I mean willing to give your life for something greater than yourself.
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He should have died.
But I think that's the point. He was willing to give his life, and that's what really matters. She was unwilling to take it, since he was willing to give it so unselfishly.
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Couple of Points:
1: The new Will Smith movie (I Am Legend is the actual title) is not, in fact, a remake of the film 'The Omega Man'. Both are adaptations (as is the earlier Vincent Price film 'The Last Man on Earth') of a rather good sci-fi novel entitled 'I Am Legend' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Legend)
2: Remakes that do not suck include, but are not limited to:
David Cronenburgs remake of 'The Fly'
Werner Herzogs remake of/homage to 'Nosferatu'
Terry Gilliams '12 Monkeys' (for all intents and purposes a remake of 'La Jetée')
Sergio Leone's 'A Fistful of Dollars' (basically Akira Kurosawas 'Yojimbo'. A bunch of other classic westerns are also adaptations of Kurosawa films, and interestingly enough, some of Kurosawas films are based on westerns.)
...probably some more shit.
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Or Roman Polanski's Macbeth. fewer than 40 lines removed from the entire play, but with the McDuff murders he drove the play immediate.
Dammit Khar now I want to watch Macbeth.
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On the subject of movies with happy endings that really shouldn't. Who else thinks that Stranger than Fiction would have been so much better had the main character died at the end. I felt that statement would have been so much more moving than what actually happened. I mean willing to give your life for something greater than yourself.
I loved this movie. I didn't think the ending was really that "happy". I mean, yes he lived, but he got hit by a freaking bus. And yeah kind of what Cai said, I think the point of it was that even though she loved killing characters in her books in weird ways, she couldn't bring herself to kill a real person.
I think making crappy remakes of old movies is about as annoying as turning a good book into a crappy movie. Or even taking a crap book and making it into an even crappier movie. Lately most of the movies coming out have been remakes or based off books/stories and for once I really want to see a movie that is a completely original (and well done) screenplay. I've got no problem with turning books (or even comic books) into movies or doing remakes if they're done well, but I'm getting somewhat tired of it.
But speaking of Willy Wonka/Charlie and the Chocolate factory, the original movie was not as close to the book as the newer movie. Even though they are basically about the same subject, they're so different. One is a musical and overall quite cheerful and the other is more eccentric and has a darker feel to it. I can't really compare the two because I find both enjoyable because of their differences.
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I sometimes wonder what remakes will be like in 10-20 years or so.
Can you imagine a remake of The Matrix, or Independence Day?
The remake of Die Hard or Jurrassic Park?