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Title: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: mberan42 on 10 Dec 2007, 14:36
Tor Books has announced (http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=326) that Brandon Sanderson has been selected to complete A MEMORY OF LIGHT, the final novel in the Wheel of Time saga.

To be edited by Harriet, RJ's wife and long-time editor.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Tom on 10 Dec 2007, 14:45
There 's your closure and his fan base really are quite avid

Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: StaedlerMars on 10 Dec 2007, 14:47
I'm very mixed about this.

The series started out great, but then it stretched on and on without much happening. To many story lines. I'm really happy about it coming to an end.

And it's not going to be written by RJ, which makes me kind of sad. But at least we'll get to know what the man had planned.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: MusicScribbles on 10 Dec 2007, 14:52
Just in case you were wondering.

This is the man. Really big picture that makes you scroll to the right to slowly unveil his face used for maximum surprise effect.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Brandon_Sanderson_at_CONduit_2007.png)
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Vancroth on 10 Dec 2007, 18:45
The series started out great, but then it stretched on and on without much happening.

To be honest, this combined with the books falling apart leaves me unable to remember half the plot.  I'll be glad to finally finish it though.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: MusicScribbles on 10 Dec 2007, 19:56
In a way I would almost consider this series pulp fantasy.
In the end I could care less about where the books lead because I want to read the end.
When Robert Jordan was alive I was more excited because his writing is what made the series enjoyable.
In the end of each book I cared less about how far the story had gone and more about how much fun the books were to read, which is what I read them for in the first place. Draggin plot didn't afflict me throughout these books because I guess that the evolution felt right for a decades long project anyway. I don't read the Wheel of Time for posterity, but for my cliche, high-fantasy appetite. The enjoyment garnered from each book was enough to warrant the reading of the next, and I was never disappointed. Jordan delivered. The end of this series will be sad because I won't get another chance to visit this world with a new story. In essence this has already happened, even if I have faith in the writer taking over, he isn't Robert Jordan.
I'm still interested in how the story will be written now though because I've never heard of this man or his work.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Cortillian on 10 Dec 2007, 20:19
In a way I would almost consider this series pulp fantasy.
In the end I could care less about where the books lead because I want to read the end.
When Robert Jordan was alive I was more excited because his writing is what made the series enjoyable.
In the end of each book I cared less about how far the story had gone and more about how much fun the books were to read, which is what I read them for in the first place. Draggin plot didn't afflict me throughout these books because I guess that the evolution felt right for a decades long project anyway. I don't read the Wheel of Time for posterity, but for my cliche, high-fantasy appetite. The enjoyment garnered from each book was enough to warrant the reading of the next, and I was never disappointed. Jordan delivered. The end of this series will be sad because I won't get another chance to visit this world with a new story. In essence this has already happened, even if I have faith in the writer taking over, he isn't Robert Jordan.
I'm still interested in how the story will be written now though because I've never heard of this man or his work.



I am of the same mind, i have a craving for all obnoxiously long plot lines/story lines so i can stay entrenched in one world for as long as possible, with wheel of time you can just read and read and read. I did much the same with Raymond Feist series.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Vancroth on 10 Dec 2007, 20:26
Well, I do remember loving it when I read it, but I just can't remember what happened because my books fell apart so that I couldn't reread them.  So far I haven't gotten around to purchasing new copies.

Also quoting the post above you is frowned upon.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: mberan42 on 11 Dec 2007, 08:30
What MusicScribbles said.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: DavidGrohl on 11 Dec 2007, 18:27
 I'm just glad we'll have a conclusion.  Anyone have any other similar book series for me to read?  Already finished with what's written of A Song of Ice and Fire.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: MusicScribbles on 11 Dec 2007, 19:15
If you want an even more clear-cut example of an established world in high fantasy, pulp-as-hell, go with anything written by R.A. Salvatore. He was my writer hero after I read Ender's Game in fourth grade. I still read his ongoing series. Also, Conan is where it began. And by it I meanit. I hope this is descriptive enough for a noun.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: StaedlerMars on 12 Dec 2007, 03:21
Terry Goodkind is pretty epic fantasy. I'm not sure whether it's finished yet. Also forgot what the series is called.

Raymond E. Feist is pretty good.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 12 Dec 2007, 09:24
R.A. Salvatore's series are definitely good and goes along with that classic high fantasy idea and has two really good trilogy's that I've read which both happen to contain Drizzt, but Ender's Game is a science fiction novel written by Orson Scott Card. The Ender series is good, so is his Earthfall series, that's a set of 5 books that'll take you a while to read, definitely some nice Sci-fi in there.

Another Sci-fi author that has got a lot of books out is Ann McCaffrey's Dragonrider series, though those don't really follow one character as much as a lot of them throughout the history of this world she's created.

Terry Goodkind's series is called the Sword of Truth series, and he's finishing it up by writing the last book of it too. I'm not sure, but it's probably number 11 or 12. I read him a lot like I read Robert Jordon, which is to say how MusicScribbles described it. He's basically made the end a trilogy of books, that are leading up to a big ass finish.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Shem Tealeaf on 13 Dec 2007, 22:33
Has anyone read any Brandon Sanderson?  I've never heard of him before, and I'm curious whether he's up to the task of finishing the series.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: mberan42 on 14 Dec 2007, 08:01
The past four and a half posts have not been about WoT or Robert Jordan. START YOUR OWN THREAD, YOU THREADJACKERS!
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Alegis on 14 Dec 2007, 18:38
Finished book 6, considering I don't want shit for xmas I just told 'em to fetch me books 7-9 and I'd be happy.

Glad the series is getting finished. I don't read much at all so I doubt I'll finish the series and my 'to-read list' before book 12 is released in 2009.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 14 Dec 2007, 21:56
Sorry about that, I'm neutral on the subject, It's really just about seeing how it'll turn out, I have no idea who the hell this guy is and I refuse to make a decision on looks alone, which though to be honest would not be helping him much, he definitely doesn't have the style and lacks the awesome hats that Robert Jordan owned.

Sure, he won't be Robert Jordan, but who's to say his won't be better? Meh, speculation about something I've got no clue of gives me a headache.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Alegis on 15 Dec 2007, 02:31
I refuse to make a decision on looks alone, which though to be honest would not be helping him much, he definitely doesn't have the style and lacks the awesome hats that Robert Jordan owned.
http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=326

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Sanderson has since gone on to establish a loyal fan base as the author of three critically acclaimed fantasy novels: Elantris, Mistborn, and The Well of Ascension, as well as a YA novel, Alcatraz Versus the Evil Librarians. Publishing trade magazines Publishers Weekly and Library Journal gave Elantris starred reviews and it was the winner of the Romantic Times Award for best epic fantasy. The Washington Post also praised Sanderson for his creation of “a fascinating world” in Mistborn.
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Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 15 Dec 2007, 16:52
I'm really not sure what any of that has to do with what I said. I still haven't read any of his work and I still haven't seen a picture of him with an awesome hat.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Alegis on 16 Dec 2007, 06:55
Well now you have a basic idea over 'who the hell that guy is'.

Oh well, better than nothing I guess. And Robert Jordan left enough information so the story should be very similar to what Jordan would have written.
And if you want anyone to 'mimic' his style as best as possible I guess this one would be one of the better candidates.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Jackie Blue on 17 Dec 2007, 00:25
R.A. Salvatore?  Seriously?  Are we like 16 here?  Because when I was 16 was the last time I could stand Salvatore.

If you want to read some good epic fantasy that is more than D&D geek wish fulfilmment (OMG HE FITES WIFF TWO SWORDZ) I would suggest any of Robin Hobb's series, especially the Assassin Trilogy.

Also, Michael Swanwick's The Iron Dragon's Daughter, which is probably the most completely absurd and literary "fantasy" novel I can think of.  In fact, taken as a whole, when you think about what was really happening and what the ending really "meant", there's a strong case to be made that it's not even a fantasy novel at all.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 19 Dec 2007, 13:01
actually, plenty of people on here as far as I can tell are sixteen, and since it was around sixteen( three or so years ago) was the last time I read any R.A. Salvatore, it might be a little better in memory to me than it would be now.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: est on 19 Dec 2007, 21:49
R.A. Salvatore?  Seriously?  Are we like 16 here?

What you have to realise is that a lot of them are, or younger.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: mberan42 on 14 Jul 2009, 14:06
N-N-N-N-NECRO BUMP

(And I know this is old-ish news, but I went to the ALA conference on Saturday at McCormick Place in Chicago and found a flyer there at the Tor desk.)

A Memory of Light, book 12 of The Wheel of Time, has been split into three books. The first, The Gathering Storm, will be on bookshelves on 3 November 2009.

http://www.tor.com/index2.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=19734
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: rynne on 14 Jul 2009, 14:33
AWheel of Time story that became ridiculously bloated?  I don't believe it!  :roll:

At least now fans are assured that Sanderson's following in Jordan's footsteps.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Alex C on 14 Jul 2009, 14:35
I just want you guys to know that the only thing keeping me from making a full-on anti-Goodkind rant is that it's been a long ass time since Boro_Bandito mentioned him.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: kemon on 14 Jul 2009, 14:41
that doesn't leave me much time to finish reading knife of dreams which has been sitting on my desk for almost a year now.  i just finished the mote in god's eye and romance of the three kingdoms before that if anyone else is interested in good science fiction or chinese historical fiction, respectively.  actually, romance deserves a lot more said about it, but i guess this thread isn't the place for it.

anyways, when i learned about the new writer picking up, it made me think of the things i've heard about hebert's son picking up his father's work in the dune series which has not gotten any much of a good review so far.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Aimless on 14 Jul 2009, 14:42
Yeah, have you guys SEEN the new cover?? *shudders*
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Surgoshan on 14 Jul 2009, 14:53
I just want you guys to know that the only thing keeping me from making a full-on anti-Goodkind rant is that it's been a long ass time since Boro_Bandito mentioned him.

This.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: FIXDIX on 14 Jul 2009, 16:26
Yeah, have you guys SEEN the new cover?? *shudders*

Daryl K. Sweet's covers are always mostly pretty bad.

I just want you guys to know that the only thing keeping me from making a full-on anti-Goodkind rant is that it's been a long ass time since Boro_Bandito mentioned him.

Also this.

I'm a Wheel of Time fan, I belong to a few forums, done some fanart and hell I even enjoy the MUD. The last two I haven't done in years and I keep on the forums mostly because of the people and other content. I'm still a fan of RJ out of nostalgia. It was the first book series that got me hooked on reading as an enjoyment. Yes the series has been stretched to an unnesessary length and the writing is mostly bloated with heavy descriptions, but I'm determined to finish this goddamn series. Also Brandon Sanderson is one hell of a writer and I highly recommend to anyone his Misborn series as well as his novel stand alone novel Elantris.

Also, if we're gonna be recommending pulp-ish fantasy I say look around for Glenn Cook's Black Company series, Steven Erikson's Malazan Books of the Fallen and to a lesser extent for the pulp George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series. And highfive to the dude that mentioned Swanwick.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Alex C on 14 Jul 2009, 17:34
Actually, I lied. The fact that I've already done it at least once on these forums also contributed to not ranting. I'm predictable enough of a poster as it is.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 15 Jul 2009, 13:07
I think we've actually discussed Goodkind a couple times in other threads quite a bit. And don't get me wrong, I'm just as ready to go on a rant about him as well.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: variable_star on 25 Jul 2009, 09:01
I'm very mixed about this. The series started out great, but then it stretched on and on without much happening. To many story lines. I'm really happy about it coming to an end.

No kidding. I needed a damn chart to keep it all straight through just through the first five books. Let's see, it was about Rand. He was an Aes Sedai from Cold Rocks Hold who had to kill Padan Fain, right?

Nailed it.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Surgoshan on 25 Jul 2009, 14:45
I'm very mixed about this. The series started out great, but then it stretched on and on without much happening. To many story lines. I'm really happy about it coming to an end.

No kidding. I needed a damn chart to keep it all straight through just through the first five books. Let's see, it was about Rand. He was an Aes Sedai from Cold Rocks Hold who had to kill Padan Fain, right?

Nailed it.

No, she was a writer from communist Russia.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: FIXDIX on 25 Jul 2009, 22:26
Who could erase people from time.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: variable_star on 26 Jul 2009, 15:04
I'm very mixed about this. The series started out great, but then it stretched on and on without much happening. To many story lines. I'm really happy about it coming to an end.

No kidding. I needed a damn chart to keep it all straight through just through the first five books. Let's see, it was about Rand. He was an Aes Sedai from Cold Rocks Hold who had to kill Padan Fain, right?

Nailed it.

No, she was a writer from communist Russia.

lulz
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: StaedlerMars on 22 Nov 2009, 03:51
I'm not sure this is the most recent thread on this.

I just finished reading A Gathering Storm.

Guys, I thought it was really good. Like, back to first book good.

Shit actually happens. It was amazing.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Theriandros on 22 Nov 2009, 09:53
Now that I know there's good stuff at the end, I'll restart this series after giving up on it around Book 5 a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: StaedlerMars on 22 Nov 2009, 10:06
Nah, skip them.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Damnable Fiend on 22 Nov 2009, 14:37
I gave up reading them after plowing through that one book (I can't even remember which one it was, this was years ago) where nothing happens pretty much the entire book and then at the end Rand randomly decides to go to to Shadar Logoth and fuck shit up.

The only books in the series that I think are worth reading are 1-3.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: öde on 24 Nov 2009, 18:58
"Cleanse the taint"

Shit's hilarious.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: StaedlerMars on 30 Oct 2010, 06:42
Mega necro but I just learned that Towers of Midnight is coming out in three days.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: the_pied_piper on 30 Oct 2010, 11:22
While I own and have read all of the other books I'll probably leave this one for a while. The 12th one was a return to form of sorts, seeing as the story actually had some progression, but stretching the last book out into three separate books has irked me a bit and the story just isn't captivating enough for me to be really excited about this one.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Buttfranklin on 30 Oct 2010, 17:42
Mega necro but I just learned that Towers of Midnight is coming out in three days.
oh my god how did this sneak up on me  :psyduck:

I'm going to destroy my eyesight and my GPA by staying up all night reading this, every night.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: est on 30 Oct 2010, 18:43
I may actually have to read the final three books once they are all out.  I've heard good things about them from another source, so I am tentatively interested.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Buttfranklin on 30 Oct 2010, 20:12
12th book is good.  Not super good, but neither has any book in the WoT series been exceptional.

Really, you get over that it's a different writing style from previous books pretty fast.  Same plot, same characters, same setting, and the only major difference style wise is that Sanderson gives a tighter, faster-paced product than RJ did.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Oct 2010, 21:10
I guess I'll have to get around to reading the rest of the series. I got up to the last Robert Jordan book by virtue of needing something to read before bed, and each book lasting me about a week. Not reading much now, though. I still have a few books I need to read that shouldn't have taken me nearly this long to get around to.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: StaedlerMars on 31 Oct 2010, 03:35
I've suggested to friends to read the first three books, read the wikipedia article summaries on 4-11 and then read 12.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: mberan42 on 02 Nov 2010, 13:40
ONE HOUR AND TWENTY MINUTES UNTIL I LEAVE WORK AND PICK UP THE NEW BOOK. HOLY CRAP SO EXCITED!

I've suggested to friends to read the first three books, read the wikipedia article summaries on 4-11 and then read 12.

No way, man. Lord of Chaos is SO damn good -- Dumai's Wells is a bloodbath. If you REALLY need to skip the books, don't bother with wikipedia. Read Leigh Butler's re-reads (http://www.tor.com/blogs/2009/10/wheel-of-time-on-torcom#re-read) on tor.com. She summerized every single chapter (up through the end of Winter's Heart, currently) and provides commentary on them all. They're really good, so skip wikipedia.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: mberan42 on 03 Nov 2010, 13:55
Read the prologue and the first 15 chapters last night. Very good. I've been waiting for something like the end of chapter 13 for a LONG time (even before/disregarding what happened in The Gathering Storm).
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: StaedlerMars on 03 Nov 2010, 15:08
No way, man. Lord of Chaos is SO damn good -- Dumai's Wells is a bloodbath.
This is true. Lord of Chaos is one of the ones I re-read of couple of times, and definitely one of the ones that has stuck with me most.

So just finished this. Am pretty excited about things ending, and ending in a well executed manner though.

Although, I'm not sure I like the rebirthed Rand.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Buttfranklin on 02 Dec 2010, 22:37
So book 13 is out and I'm halfway through.

In the glossary is the answer to the big question of book 5, which is who killed Asmodean.

All round, the writing is pretty nice, only a couple of scenes I would call useless, whereas most scenes advance the plot or build the character.  That was a problem of book 12, where it took Aviendha three chapters of trying to figure out something which took me half a chapter to realize.  What a waste of time!.  But somehow it's a little repetitive, with every chapter involving at least one scene where a character meets with a character and they have a conversation and something is solved.  Can't spoil it, but something is always accomplished.

Also, I like the way Sanderson pokes a little bit of fun at the plotholes in the series he'd picked up on but RJ apparently never did.  He doesn't make them glaring, but he does make characters go "Wait a second!" and address the issue.  For example, (BOOK 13 SPOILER) Perrin suddenly realizes that he could have used the Wolf Dream to scout for the Shaido Aiel who had Faile captive.  Pretty funny scene, actually, because it was something I had been yelling at him to do when I was reading those chapters when Perrin was trying to accomplish it.

Over all it's very nice and I'm looking forward to finishing it.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: cyro on 03 Dec 2010, 02:42
I've suggested to friends to read the first three books, read the wikipedia article summaries on 4-11 and then read 12.

I liked 4, 5 and 6. After that then, yeah, summaries for everyone.

Although, I'm not sure I like the rebirthed Rand.

I liked Rand in The Gathering Storm, I have to admit, but the point is that he's no longer just Rand Al'Thor, he's Lew Therin as well, they're one person now, hence the merging of personalities.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: Buttfranklin on 03 Dec 2010, 09:54
Before rebirth Rand doesn't have hilarious scenes where he tells Nynaeve to get new insults after he predicts that she's going to call him an wool-headed oaf in a sound need of ear-boxing.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: mberan42 on 03 Dec 2010, 13:50
In the glossary is the answer to the big question of book 5

SO PISSED about that.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: cyro on 03 Dec 2010, 16:08
To be fair, there where a fair few hints in book 6 and in 12 if you knew what to look for.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: StaedlerMars on 03 Dec 2010, 17:29
Would just like to say that there's no need to quote the post directly above yours, I've been noticing quite a few new people doing, it's not necessary! We assume you're responding to that post, and it's also easier to read that way!

Relevant: I didn't even notice that in the appendix. That is really upsetting.
Title: Re: Wheel of Time book 12: A Memory of Light
Post by: snalin on 08 Dec 2010, 11:25
One of the things that got me confused here was that the timeline did some big-ass jumps. Once, halfways through a Perrin (I think) chapter, you suddenly get to know that this happens before the end of the last book. One other thing that really bothered me that the two biggest issues in Randland was completely skipped - the Senchan and the Black Tower. We trailed by the issues, but this means that the conclusion to all those three big ones are going to happen during the last book. In addition to the last battle. Man, it'll be cramped.

A lot of awesome stuff happened here that was really well played out (spoilers ahead) - the whole Rand is the personification of good thing worked really well, Aviendha's visions were awesome and pretty scary. The whole Morraine thing actually happened (we've been waiting for that a good while) and, yeah, threads are being wrapped up at an astonishing pace.