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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Ernest on 29 Dec 2007, 10:53
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My dad defragged our family desktop recently while I was asleep and he became angry when he noticed that my 15 odd GBs of music were fragmented as hell. So he deleted all of my music (what an asshole). So basically I have a bunch of music on my Ipod that is not on any computer. I've heard that I can use Winamp or another program to move my music from my Ipod to a computer, but I don't know how. Any help will be appreciated.
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? (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ipod+rip)
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If you're too lazy to download a program, you can just take the files but they'll all be names KDFB and things like that.
Just right after you plug in your iPod (your computer goes dooDOO to show you it's plugged in) double click on the iPod icon on My Computer, go into Edit, Folder Options, click the second tab and find something about hidden files and folders. Tell it to show all hidden files and folders, then go into Ipod Control/Music/copy all those folders to your hard drive.
(I may be missing a step somewhere, or it might not be under Edit-sorry, I havent used Windows in awhile so I can't remember. Maybe it'd just be easier to download something.)
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One very simple app for doing this (if you would prefer to continue using Itunes for music) is called Ipod->folder. I used it a few weeks ago. easy as pie. it rips it to a folder of your designation which you then simply add back to your Itunes library.
link:
http://www.longfingers.com/ipodfolder/
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if you're on a mac, just use a program called 'senuti'. easy as hell to use
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Important lesson here: wouldn't it have just been easier not to buy a shitty mp3 player in the first place?
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Neither, as the Ipod is an excellent mp3 player. This is just one of a few glaring flaws that a google search and fifteen minutes can get you around.
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Also, if you're that lazy and use a music player that reads from tags instead of file names, you can just drag 'n' drop the files in the iPod music folder and import it to the music player. It takes 5 seconds to re-tag a track if you want to do something with it, in the mean time you can listen to it just as well.
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I use a program called iDump. Its probably not the best one out there but it works well and I'm too lazy to look for a better one.
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i use EphPod on Windows and it works perfectly.
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I see this question being asked rather a lot, and I've never quite understood why it seems to be such an issue because...
Well...
I don't know whether or not this is true...
...but can't you sync libraries using iTunes?
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Download a program called "TuneJack." It works perfectly, only takes a few seconds, and has no hangups. Just make sure to restart your computer after you've transferred your songs to the computer, since it disables iTunes' ability to detect the iPod on the computer. Once you restart the computer, though, the iPod will be recognized by iTunes again.
It's really the perfect program.
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Important lesson here: wouldn't it have just been easier not to buy a shitty mp3 player in the first place?
So you're saying that you couldn't possibly encounter this problem with your mp3 player? Well, A. I don't give a fuck, and B. I don't want to start a fight, but it's actually a bit obnoxious that every time an Ipod is mentioned you have to butt in and tell us all that it's shitty.
To everyone else, thank you for your advice.
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So you're saying that you couldn't possibly encounter this problem with your mp3 player?
Yup. That's because my mp3 player is designed for ease of use, meaning that it does not encrypt all your music files as if it fucking owns them.
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Well that's fantastic, and when I have money to spend on a new mp3 player, maybe I'll consider something other than an 80 gig Ipod (though probably not unless there is something superior and of comparable or greater storage capacity), but as it stands right now I have a 30 gig Ipod I bought from my friend for half of retail price, and I like it. It holds my entire music library (for now, though I may need to upgrade to the 80 fairly soon) and can act as a conveniently small external hard drive, a function I utilize frequently. I am asking for advice on it, not why it sucks and I should have purchased another model. In the future when I am mp3 player shopping I may start a topic and then I will be glad to hear what you think I should buy.
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That would be a good idea, because you obviously do not have good opinions yourself.
ipods suck!
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ouch
Did you mean in everything I say on these boards, because then fuck you you smug dipshit
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Whee, yet another start of "Ipods suck because they suck, they suck so much MY MP3 PLAYER IS FAR SUPERIOR TO YOUR INFERIOR LITTLE IPOD"
I'm curious what constitutes a "good" opinion, as opinions are entirely subjective. Do you think his opinion is WRONG because it differs from yours? Because thats what I get out of what you are saying.
So you have an Archos 605.... WHEEE. It offers features I have no use for, an interface that, IMO (notice the OPINION PART), isn't anything special, sure it has a high rez screen? So what? And if I did have use for all its functionality... would I really buy a PVP thats going to nickle and dime (or rather $20 and $30 and $99) me to death to unlock FUNCTIONALITY IT SHOULD HAVE OUT OF THE BOX?
I dont have a portable video player because I have no need of a portable video player, I purchased an ipod because I needed a music player with 30-80gigs of space. Not a PVP with a dozen other battery sucking features I have no use for.
Anyway, OT, if you end up ripping them directly to your HDD (so they have scrambled names) Im not sure if they retain the ID3 info, if so, you can use something like "The Godfather" to rename en masse. (My ipod is not near me atm, otherwise I would check)
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The iPod's probably assuming you own a physical copy of the music maybe? I think that's why it encrypts it, most likely.
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The Archos is cheaper than the equivalent ipod. It also has longer battery life than an ipod.
You guys should calm down. Maybe you are frustrated because your ipods batteries died?
Anyway, it's not like the Archos is the only mp3 player better than an ipod.
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I wouldn't advise that. It scrambles the information deliberately. You'd end up with a bunch of files called 'au6584jk.mp3' or whatever.
I understand that it leaves the ID3 tags alone, tho, so you can just c/p the ipod onto c:\ or /foo/music or wherever, and then import it into the itunes library and it'll be fine.
Assuming you tagged your music, of course.
Also, I love my ipod because the only other option available in Saigon was Sony, and I think Apple's business practices are shiny pretty compared to those creeps.
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I hope you're right, but it's not as if stuff like that hasn't been said maliciously on these boards before.
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The Archos is cheaper than the equivalent ipod. It also has longer battery life than an ipod.
You guys should calm down. Maybe you are frustrated because your ipods batteries died?
Anyway, it's not like the Archos is the only mp3 player better than an ipod.
Archos is cheaper because they charge you for additional functionality that ipods come with out of the box (for obvious reasons apple doesnt support WMA) Lets compare, just for shits and giggles.
Archos 605 base: $279.99 iPod Classic 160gb base: 349.99
now lets add a web browser ($30), AAC support ($20), and HD video support ($20) to your Archos. Heeey, now its $349.99!
And in what world is 13.5 hours of audio playback and 4.7 hours of video under IDEAL conditions better than 45 hours of audio playback and 9 hours of video under REALISTIC conditions? You should go talk to some mathematicians, because if you can bend numbers like that, well, you need to get a job showing them how they have been wrong for the past couple thousand years.
See that word I bolded? It's whats known as an "opinion," it's like an asshole, everyones got one, and it sure as hell doesn't mean we want to see the shit thats associated with either one of them.
This was a thread requesting help with something related to ipods, and you come in with your holier than thou attitude about portable music / video players, and shit all over it.
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The 605 does closer to seventeen and a half hours audio and five and a half hours video. Also, I would like to see where you obtained those figures for ipod battery life from, as they are completely different, by a factor of over 100%, to the ones on apples own website (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61475). The 80 gig ipod, the equivalent of the particular Archos I own (though there is a 160gb model), does UP TO 20 hours on a full charge, with the disclaimer that
Rechargeable batteries have a limited number of charge cycles and may eventually need to be replaced. Battery life and number of charge cycles vary by use and settings.
Which pretty much tells us that these are ideal conditions we're operating under.
Also, ipods don't support a web browser at all, except the ipod touch. The mpeg-1 firmware upgrade is only necessary for ripping DVDs, and, lets me perfectly honest: who really needs AAC support?
Oh, wait.
Did I mention, by the way, that you can plug an Archos into any computer and transfer media with asbolutely no software (except windows media player, if you're not being a fucking idiot and using a mac).
It is amazing how mad someone can become from the knowledge that their life choices are inferior!
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So when someone asked for advice, you told them to throw out a three hundred dollar mp3 player and buy another one. There are enough threads that end up being ipod angst. This should not have been one of them. It's rude and not at all constructive. If you can't help the original poster solve their problem, don't post on the thread. I'm sorry if i seem to be overreacting. i probably am. all i really should say is that this isn't the thread to argue the pro's and con's of mp3 players. this is the thread to help someone get their mp3 player to do what they want. If this thread morphs into such a hardware choice thread, that's fine. But not with such snide remarks on everyone's part.
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I seem to remember an mp3 player thread (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,18300.0.html) not too long ago. Shall we not morph this into that, no matter how much better Khar's stuff is than the rest of ours?
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So when someone asked for advice, you told them to throw out a three hundred dollar mp3 player and buy another one.
I bet you did good at English reading comprehension at school. That is almost exactly right!
A for achievment, B+ for effort.
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This is getting pretty ridiculous, so I'm gonna simplify it for my own satisfaction.
Mp3 players are like...
Wait for it...
...you know what is coming...
...POKEMON!
That's right, mp3 players are like pokemon. Let's say that the operating system you use on your computer is a pokemon, and the mp3 player is it's special attack.
If you have a fire type pokemon use a fire type special attack, the power of the attack is higher than if say, a water type uses a fire attack.
Now, picture this. OSX is a water type pokemon. The iPod is Hydropump, a water type attack. Use it with OSX, and it's much more effective than it is if used with a fire type operating system, such as Windows XP. However, the Archos might be Fireblast, a fire type move. If you use it with OSX, a water type operating system, it's not going to be very effective! But use it with Windows XP and it burns the shit out of the competition!
Unlike pokemon, you can't try to have a balanced team here and use water types and fire types on the same team, it just won't work. If you think somebody is an idiot for using just fire types, or just water types, then you're nothing but a pokemon-racist and I would rather not associate with you!
Some people like using firetypes and incinerating things, quickly, efficiently.
Some people like using watertypes and going swimming. All relaxing and cool.
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Mp3 players are like...
Wait for it...
...you know what is coming...
...POKEMON!
Catching them all would be a serious drain on my bank balance :-D
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It's okay, you can just trade with friends to complete you 'dex. Much cheaper.
I'm not sure I like the iPod nano's last evolutionary form. I know it's more powerful, but the first two forms looked cooler.
It's like, you want Rhyperior, because it's powerful, but it looks kinda lame compared to Rhydon.
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But the new Nano looks like a Triscuit!
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The 605 does closer to seventeen and a half hours audio and five and a half hours video. Also, I would like to see where you obtained those figures for ipod battery life from, as they are completely different, by a factor of over 100%, to the ones on apples own website (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61475). The 80 gig ipod, the equivalent of the particular Archos I own (though there is a 160gb model), does UP TO 20 hours on a full charge, with the disclaimer that
Rechargeable batteries have a limited number of charge cycles and may eventually need to be replaced. Battery life and number of charge cycles vary by use and settings.
Which pretty much tells us that these are ideal conditions we're operating under.
Also, ipods don't support a web browser at all, except the ipod touch. The mpeg-1 firmware upgrade is only necessary for ripping DVDs, and, lets me perfectly honest: who really needs AAC support?
Oh, wait.
Did I mention, by the way, that you can plug an Archos into any computer and transfer media with asbolutely no software (except windows media player, if you're not being a fucking idiot and using a mac).
It is amazing how mad someone can become from the knowledge that their life choices are inferior!
I got my numbers from CNets reviews of both items, read them below.
See, I dont buy in to what the manufacturers tell me the battery life is, I actually go out looking for independant reviews of the products. Because a company can say anything, like you said, battery life under IDEAL conditions.
Archos 605 at CNet (http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-video-players-pvps/archos-605-wifi-160gb/4505-6499_7-32477557.html)
Ipod Classic at CNet (http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-video-players-pvps/apple-ipod-classic-160gb/4505-6499_7-32595973.html?tag=prod.txt.2)
You can read them at your leisure, but I assume youll just try and discredit them in some arbitrary way.
Important lesson here: wouldn't it have just been easier not to buy a shitty mp3 player in the first place?
Thats an opinon, in a thread asking for advice on how to accomplish a specific task, NOT asking for your OPINION on what MP3 player he SHOULD have.
So yes, you may not have come out and said [throw your ipod away because it sucks], but you did essentially say "LOL Y U BUY IPOD, MINE IZ SO MUCH BETR"
You don't get it, do you? This wasn't a thread asking for your opinion on the matter, it was asking for help to accomplish a specific task. I did have a whole bunch of text explaining WHY I would buy an iPod over anything else, but you know what? It doesn't matter, not like you would comprehend things like "logic" and "reasoning" anyway.
It is amazing how some people think their shit don't stink.
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I think you missed the point at which this thread wized up and started being funny and/or on topic.
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Actually, I kinda do want Khar to try and discredit those guys, because I am in the market for a huge mp3 player.
Charizard was really awesome, he could kick a lot of ass. But in the second generation of games, Feraligator looked super cool.
Then there was Sceptile as the cool one. He looked like a velociraptor!
The new starters look kinda lame, but Torterra looks pretty cool I guess, I mean, when you compare it to the other two.
I already use a mac, so I guess the decision has been made, really. But still...
What I'm trying to say is...
Pokemon that look like dinosaurs are pretty awesome, which mp3 player looks most like a dinosaur? CUE THE PHOTOSHOPS!
Edit:
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6103/52356649404ae4c5dd3qy4.jpg)
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5421/dragonandipodbynjoovh7.jpg)
Not a single image of a dinosaur or dragon rocking out to an Archos yet!!!!
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Statik is suggesting that apple are lying and saying their batteries last 20 hours less than some review on the internet.
Repeat, apple apparently are lying and saying their products are worse than they are.
This makes no sense!
Buy an Archos
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I thought you were a poison/dark type! Where's the venom?! Run out of PP?
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I only acknowledge the existence of 151 pokemon. Dark is not a proper type.
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What if I told you that Gengar was a Ghost/Dark type now? Gengar was hella cool, Khar. You can't dismiss dark type!
It's official now you guys. Benjamin Franklin's Ghost (my zenV) is MIA. He is no longer in my possession. Meaning, I am now 100% in need of this new mp3 player.
Chances are, it'll be an 80gb iPod. I can't afford to wait to save for the 160gb model.
Pick an Eric Bachman lyric to get engraved onto the back!
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Gengar is a fucking ghost! This is blasphemy!
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Wait... your dad deleted your entire music collection from your computer?
KILL HIM
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in reference to the topic, If you have a Widows based computer you can just plug in the ipod ad explore it like it's a hard drive and just pull all the songs off of it. You're SOL if you got a mac though.
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Statik is suggesting that apple are lying and saying their batteries last 20 hours less than some review on the internet.
Repeat, apple apparently are lying and saying their products are worse than they are.
This makes no sense!
Buy an Archos
Um, where did the number 20 come from? Again, your math skills... why arent you talking to top mathematicians about how you live in a universe where you can make up arbitrary numbers and they are suddenly right?
As far as advertising under capacity, its a fairly common business practice because then you dont end up like archos, where you advertise a battery life LONGER than what the product can actually give? Shocking that a company would actually try and do right by its customers. THE NERVE OF SOME COMPANIES...
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Guys put them the fuck away. That's right. Back in your pants. Now pull up the zipper. Good!
Are you seriously too cool for anything past Red and Blue, Khar?
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Statik, we've moved on. If you're going to argue, it has to be about Pokemon.
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Statik, we've moved on. If you're going to argue, it has to be about Pokemon.
really? because I can argue about pokemon I just really don't want to
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Guys, stop being immature and trying to derail the thread with pokemon.
Guys, as far as gym badges (media) go, I have rather a lot. This means I need a tough pokemon (mp3 player). I'm just concerned about the cost, because there aren't many trainers to beat (jobs) around here and I could probably catch one in the wild of find somebody to trade with (second hand/refurb).
I think I could probably manage £180. Once I'm done compressing all my video based media, I think I could get by with a smaller mp3 player.
So, £180(give or take £20) and at least 60gb in space, with video capabilities.
Give me all you got and more.
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well maybe you should try some of the more affordable pokemon like squirtle (Zune) if you pay attention when you train it (look at the features) you'll find that it is really comparable to more popular pokemon like pikachu (ipod). And depending on how many different kinda of gym badges you have you might want to get one that only handles one kind of gym badge.
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That may be true, but I am native to the Johto region (mac) and not Kanto (windows pc) and therefore, I can not choose a generation 1 starter pokemon.
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Um, where did the number 20 come from?
45 hours of audio playback...under REALISTIC conditions
Fully 25 hours more than the figure on apples own website.
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I wouldn't advise that. It scrambles the information deliberately. You'd end up with a bunch of files called 'au6584jk.mp3' or whatever.
While true, if you're using iTunes you can have it "Consolidate" your music again, using the tags to re-name the files. Then all your files can be placed in a consistent folder and naming structure that you specify. It's in their advanced options.
When I had to do this I didn't bother with any programs, I just took the files from the iPod and then re-consolidated the library into My Music. Now every artist and album has its own folder and every file is perfectly named. :-) Good luck, whatever way you choose be prepared for a lot of waiting while copying is performed.
Also, Khar seems like a bit of a douche. Since this thread seems to be about people's random opinions about tangential topics, I figured I'd throw that one out there too.
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Um, where did the number 20 come from?
45 hours of audio playback...under REALISTIC conditions
Fully 25 hours more than the figure on apples own website.
With 80GB or 160GB of storage, iPod classic gives your music and video room to move. It also has plenty of energy (up to 40 hours of audio playback)
Source (http://www.apple.com/ipodclassic/features.html)
The 80GB Classic is rated at 30 hours of audio playback and 5 hours for video, while the 160GB version promises 40 hours of audio and 7 hours for video. While products such as the Archos 405 will deliver similar results for video playback, MP3 players capable of 30 to 40 hours of audio playback are a rare find. Our CNET labs team found the 80GB iPod Classic is capable of 45 hours of audio playback and nearly 9 hours of video playback under realistic conditions.
Source (http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-video-players-pvps/apple-ipod-classic-160gb/4505-6499_7-32595973.html?tag=prod.txt.2)
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Guys, stop being immature and trying to derail the thread with pokemon.
Guys, as far as gym badges (media) go, I have rather a lot. This means I need a tough pokemon (mp3 player). I'm just concerned about the cost, because there aren't many trainers to beat (jobs) around here and I could probably catch one in the wild of find somebody to trade with (second hand/refurb).
I think I could probably manage £180. Once I'm done compressing all my video based media, I think I could get by with a smaller mp3 player.
So, £180(give or take £20) and at least 60gb in space, with video capabilities.
Give me all you got and more.
I honestly don't know current conversion rates, I do know that £ > $, but I dont know how much, say, the 80gig ipod costs in pounds. Either way, I would suggest that you go to a local electronics store, and pick up and handle different brands, it'll give you a better feel for what you are looking for and need.
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UK£ 180 = 359.29800 US$
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180 pounds should be more than enough to get an 80GB iPod.
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Yeah, a brand new 80 gig ipod classic is £159.00.
I'm not sure if the Zune is out in Britain yet, let alone how much that would cost you.
The Zen 32 Gig is £285, and I couldn't find anything about the 60 gig Zen Vision: M in the UK, but that runs at $300 over here, which at the current exchange rate brings it to around £150