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Title: Country music that is good.
Post by: thebrosef on 03 Feb 2008, 19:48
Hey everyone. I know I am new and starting a lot of new threads as a new person is generally bad form, but I need a bit of help. Before I started really exploring what the musical world had to offer (that sounded lame but I say it un-ironically) I was into really generic "alt-pop" radio bands. Since then, I've found some bands that I like in almost every genre. I am just starting to like some of the heavier metal, some screamo stuff, and other stuff that isn't traditionally considered easy listening. Currently, I live at college with 3 other guys in my room who are really into country music. I have never enjoyed traditional country music. I lived in a city most of my life, I don't ride tractors, I've never been to a tastee freeze, etc. It is mostly just hard for me to relate to even though it supposedly composed of universal themes.

So as I am sure you have already guessed based on the title of this thread and the previous paragraph, can anyone recommend some country music that is really worth a listen? (Oh Noes a recommendation thread sorry)

I apologize that I can't give more criteria as to why I don't like most country music. It just never hits my ears the right way I guess.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: E. Spaceman on 03 Feb 2008, 20:09
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/UTND.jpg)



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Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: thebrosef on 03 Feb 2008, 20:12
Any explanations? or should I just blindly listen? Not that I won't anyway. Thanks for the suggestions.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Oscaio on 03 Feb 2008, 20:19
I really don't like country, as in CMT, but I am a big fan of Lambchop, which qualifies (I guess) as alt-country. Great lyrics, Kurt Wagner has a great voice, and with 13 musicians you can't go wrong... I guess "How I quit smoking" is my favorite by them, but Nixon, and Woman are also excellent.

If you are looking for something more intimate, there is this guy from Scotland called James Yorkston, he is a  freaking genious.




Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: KvP on 03 Feb 2008, 20:24
(http://wwwstatic.kern.org/images/kcMuseum/MerleHaggard.jpg)
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: thebrosef on 03 Feb 2008, 20:25
I don't know who that is a picture of.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Patrick on 03 Feb 2008, 20:28
Any post-1994 Alan Jackson will probably do you (and a massive bonus if you go and listen to his song "Remember When" straight off), and you could always listen to really old George Jones, if subject matter is what's really keeping you down. I mean seriously, who can't identify with crushing heartache? If there's any country artist in this world whose music is nothing but, it is probably going to be good ol' George.

A lot of what gives country music it's charm (to me, at least) is that a lot of it is intentionally campy and hillbilly-ish in subject matter and, often times, style. Indie hipsters definitely weren't the first on the irony scene (WHAT? THEY DIDN'T DISCOVER IRONY? OH THE IRONY).

Seriously? Go watch a YouTube video of the Porter Wagoner show. Watch the ending of it. When they have an entire bluegrass band hop up onto the stage with a fiddle player dancing around like he's got a ferret in his pants, just try to tell me they're not doing that to intentionally look like idiots.

The thing about country is that it isn't a style, it's a mindset. This may come off like I'm trying to turn country into punk, but it's the truth. If you're not going out mudriding in your 4wd pickup truck with an unlocked shotgun rack in the back and several open bottles of whiskey in the cab, you are better off listening to Kenny G.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: KvP on 03 Feb 2008, 20:35
I don't know who that is a picture of.
Merle "fucking" Haggard.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: thebrosef on 03 Feb 2008, 20:37
That actually might be the reason that I am bothered by some country music. As much as riding around in a pickup truck with some whiskey and a shotgun sounds like a hilariously good time, riding around on a tractor, holding up traffic, and then writing a song about how this somehow is something to be proud of just kind of pisses me off. And of course I can identify with heartbreak, but the mindset of deliberate hillbillyness somehow detracts from many of those lyrics for me. Hence my search for better country music.

That said, thanks for all the recommendations.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: E. Spaceman on 03 Feb 2008, 20:39
Any explanations? or should I just blindly listen? Not that I won't anyway. Thanks for the suggestions.


Uncle Tupelo and Whiskeytown were pioneers of the alt-country movement. Genres are really hard to define, but imagine people who really liked country, but they also liked punk. Now, these people took country music and stripped it of the nashville sheen, they don't really write about tractors and their guitars occasionally do more than twang (granted, most of the time it is just overdriven twang).



edit: hey, i just read your last post. Get those albums like now
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Spluff on 03 Feb 2008, 20:57
Wow, I can now officially say I like some country music.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: JimmyJazz on 03 Feb 2008, 21:11
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bf/Johnny_Cash_At_Folsom_Prison.jpg)

(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s15589.jpg)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/WillieNelsonRedHeadedStrangeralbumcover.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/WillieNelsonRedHeadedStrangeralbumcover.jpg)

(http://www.dollyon-line.com/archives/albums/coatomc/cover.jpg)

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(http://blog.diskunion.net/user/uncledog/tapestry/image/5385.jpg)

(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s8266.jpg)

(http://www.inkblotmagazine.com/rev-archive/images/ca_Kinks_Muswell_Hillbillies.jpg)

(http://cdn.last.fm/coverart/300x300/2029410-214757655.jpg)

(Nashville Skyline - Bob Dylan)

(http://www.springsteenlyrics.com/lyrics/w/whollstoptherain_alb-cf.jpg)

(http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov250/drf600/f600/f60080yhodf.jpg)

(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s2675.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/Down_the_river_of_golden_dreams.jpg)

(Down the River of Golden Dreams - Okkervil River)

(http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s3653.jpg)

(http://blog.lib.umn.edu/carls064/freealonzo/working%20dead.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2c/AllmanBrothersBandAtFillmoreEast.jpg)

(At Fillmore East - The Allman Bros. Band)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Bigpink.jpg)

(Music From Big Pink - The Band)
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: RobbieOC on 03 Feb 2008, 21:16
Ooh! Also, Colin Meloy's band that he was in before The Decemberists was called Tarkio, and it is country-ish and quite good. Though, if you're not a fan of The Decemberists, I wouldn't get it. It's basically the same sound, but with banjos instead of an accordian.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Uber Ritter on 03 Feb 2008, 21:23
Bluegrass is good if you like Banjos, vocal harmonies and songs about death.  Generally the Nashvilleness is kept to a minimum, though it's still music that's pretty grounded in its Hillybillyhood.
Seriously it might not be what you're looking for, but Ralph Stanley and the Seldom Scene are two Bluegrass artists I enjoy quite a bit.  The "O Brother Where Art Thou" soundtrack is a pretty good introduction to the genre and its relatives.
But then, I like Bluegrass.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: tomselleck69 on 03 Feb 2008, 21:50
Any of Jason Molina's bands.

Songs: Ohia lures you in with promises of honest, simple indie rock that is as heartbreaking as Molina's unibrow is huge. Then with Magnolia Electric Co. you realize he is actually a sad cowboy rather than a sad indie guy, and maybe you resist a little after hearing the self-titled and then the other albums, but then you hear Fading Trails and it is like the cipher to everything else, and the whole discography completely makes sense and it's all great, start to finish.
(http://panther1.last.fm/coverart/300x300/3211998.jpg)

He's my favorite. Check him out.

Also good: Deer Tick, the Old 97s, Utah Carol, The Handsome Family, Old Crow Medicine Show, Son Volt, Uncle Tupelo, Calexico

and of course all the classics: Townes Van Zandt, Gram Parsons / Flying Burrito Bros., Haggard, Cash, Patsy Cline, Hank Sr., etc.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 03 Feb 2008, 22:54
Two good ones I haven't seen in this thread so far: Drag The River and Lucero.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Joseph on 03 Feb 2008, 22:56
Palace Music
Will Oldham
Palace Songs
Bonnie 'Prince' Billy
Palace Brothers
Bonny Billy
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 03 Feb 2008, 23:16
I don't know who that is a picture of.
Merle "fucking" Haggard.
Sorry, but that nickname is reserved for Yngwie "fucking" Malmsteen
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Johnny C on 03 Feb 2008, 23:18
BLOOD MERIDIAN
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 03 Feb 2008, 23:25
Sorry, but that nickname is reserved for Yngwie "fucking" Malmsteen

I'm sorry, but just by virtue of the lives the two men have led, Merle Haggard deserves it way more than Yngwie.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Borondir on 03 Feb 2008, 23:27
Dwight Yoakam. 

Guitars and Cadillacs is brilliant.  Some of his newer stuff, like Blame the Vain is quite well done as well. 

Also, Old 97's first couple of albums are rollicking, fun alt-country.   Neko Case, k.d. lang, and Gillian Welch are all more or less country on different albums (and country in different styles).   16 Horsepower and Woven Hand, the solo project that arose from it, are great countryish and very dark Americana. 

Finally, I'd like to second the Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, Gram Parsons, Uncle Tupelo, Son Volt, Hank Williams, and early Okkervil River and Wilco suggestions.   

Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 03 Feb 2008, 23:36
Sorry, but that nickname is reserved for Yngwie "fucking" Malmsteen

I'm sorry, but just by virtue of the lives the two men have led, Merle Haggard deserves it way more than Yngwie.

But it was in The Onion

So it must be true
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: pinkpiche on 04 Feb 2008, 00:34
Palace Music
Will Oldham
Palace Songs
Bonnie 'Prince' Billy
Palace Brothers
Bonny Billy

Very clever. I second that.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 00:49
Man I don't know the vast majority of the people mentioned in this thread (what is this alt-country mess you are all talking about? That is not country, it has alt- in front!), but go listen to Alabama. At certain points their producer should've been shot, but their stuff is good nonetheless.

Also take a mix of country, Tejano music, and rock and roll, and you will get the Texas Tornados, featuring the genius Flaco Jimenez on accordion. FUCKING AMAZING.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: carrotosaurus on 04 Feb 2008, 06:53
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/partyongarth/jimmie.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/partyongarth/acuff.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/partyongarth/DocWatson.jpg)

Fuck this new country bullshit.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: thebrosef on 04 Feb 2008, 07:18
My bank account is about to hate me so hard.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 07:37
www.bittorrent.com
www.mininova.org
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: thebrosef on 04 Feb 2008, 07:37
Valid point.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 04 Feb 2008, 10:41
to dispute the "new country sucks" idea, here are my suggestions:

Scott H. Biram
Hank Williams III
Hillstomp
David Allan Coe*

there's more but i just woke up and can't think of any.



*if you get offended easily or can't handle a little tongue-in-cheek racism, i recommend not listening to Mr. Coe
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: carrotosaurus on 04 Feb 2008, 11:07
I actually do listen to some new country, but I think you should start from the masters and work your way forward in time.

That being said, I strongly urge you to listen to Doc Watson.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Borondir on 04 Feb 2008, 22:37
What's with the alt/new country hate?  Listen to both...definitely don't neglect the legends, but what kind of musical form is it if it doesn't offer interesting possibilities even now?

and tommydski, I agree, but I would add, get everything gram parson was ever involved with...the gram anthology is a good way to start.  Why did he have to die years before I was even born?
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: 714 on 04 Feb 2008, 23:21
i'm not a HUGE country fan, but i think it sometimes gets more shit than it deserves

if you like simple and beautiful love songs where people sound pretty genuine, many (not all) country ballads can do that without crossing the line to overly cheesy


but then theres always the stupid stuff like songs about cornbread and chicken that makes you want to shoot yourself after listening to them
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 23:51
You've clearly never had my mother's cornbread and chicken.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: My Aim Is True on 05 Feb 2008, 01:55
there's been some good stuff mentioned in this thread.

more-


Steve Earle
Lucinda WIlliams
Waylon Jennings
Lee Hazlewood
CCR
Austin Lucas
Chuck Ragan (not exactly country, but country-ish)
Tim Barry
Del McCoury (bluesgrass)
Porter Wagoner
Johnny Paycheck
Kris Kristofferson
The Mekons (well, has a little country tinge, but is really just quirky British post-punk)
The Byrds (specifically the album "Sweetheart of the rodeo")
Whiskey & Co. (a new band!)
Lucero
Sir Doug & the Texas Tornados
The Heathens (also a new band)
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: blaha 41 on 06 Feb 2008, 13:40
emmylou harris - Wrecking Ball

alot of it was cowritten with neil young... so yeah, it's amazing. it also had daniel lanois producing it.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Töys on 06 Feb 2008, 15:53
to dispute the "new country sucks" idea, here are my suggestions:

Scott H. Biram
Hank Williams III
Hillstomp
David Allan Coe*

there's more but i just woke up and can't think of any.



*if you get offended easily or can't handle a little tongue-in-cheek racism, i recommend not listening to Mr. Coe

Bummer, you stole my list!

I'd like to add Unkown Hinson and Shooter Jennings though, if I may.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Patrick on 06 Feb 2008, 16:01
Steve Earle

You. You show promise.

Waylon Jennings
CCR
Del McCoury (bluegrass)
Porter Wagoner
Johnny Paycheck

Better, better...

The Byrds
Sir Doug & the Texas Tornados

GUYS WE HAVE A WINNER

Also, I am going to go out on a limb and say THE BAND.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: sean on 06 Feb 2008, 16:07
www.bittorrent.com
www.mininova.org

Psh. Lame.

www.isohunt.com
http://blogsearch.google.com/
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: RedLion on 06 Feb 2008, 20:10
The one and only Jerry Reed.

(http://gpassociation.free.fr/auditorium/reed/JerryReedCountryLegends/JerryReedCountryLegends.jpg)

More specifically, his song "Amos Moses."
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Feb 2008, 20:43
Okkervil River is country?  I thought they were folk and the like?
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Johnny C on 06 Feb 2008, 23:15
On the new album they are rock and fucking roll.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Ng on 07 Feb 2008, 04:40
I am bad at figuring out what is and isn't country music. Is Smog country music? If it is, then Smog is definitely good country music.
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Post by: Spinless on 07 Feb 2008, 04:56
I never got behind Smog. Everything I hear makes me think I should like them, everything I hear when I have tried to play them sounds 'on the ball', but it has just never sounded right to my ears. I can't figure out exactly what it is. Maybe I should try his live show?
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Feb 2008, 08:51
No one's mentioned Roger Miller?  ;_;

His first three albums have some of the best songwriting ever, and he was still pretty alright in the 70s.  Then he won a Tony for Huck Finn and kicked the bucket.

And of course, the father of bluegrass, Bill Monroe.  He's basically a white Kentucky Miles Davis.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: AnonymousNoob on 07 Feb 2008, 09:03
Good country exists.

It's called folk music.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: thebrosef on 07 Feb 2008, 10:52
Well, that post doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Since, you know, people distinguish between folk and country music for a reason.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Feb 2008, 15:04
On the new album they are rock and fucking roll.

It's a damn good album, too.  I think I like Black Sheep Boy better, though.
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Post by: leperphiliac on 07 Feb 2008, 16:41
Lyle Lovett is a weird motherfucker, and his music is too. Listen to I Love Everybody.

Patsy Cline's backing music is sorta cheesy and dated sounding, but the singing is great; she's got a great voice and is definitely worth hearing. Wilco is great. Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is a great album to start with.

Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: IronOxide on 07 Feb 2008, 16:43
Why has Kieffer not posted in this thread yet? It seems like every time he makes a country music post, I discover another country music artist that I enjoy.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Feb 2008, 16:47
I haven't seen him post in a while, now.  Where's he been?
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Borondir on 07 Feb 2008, 20:35
On the new album they are rock and fucking roll.
Yeah, but there's still some countryish songs.  And there were more country songs on earlier albums. I would have never called them folk though.

It's a damn good album, too.  I think I like Black Sheep Boy better, though.
  I still can't decide if I like Stage Names better because its fresher in my mind or if its actually better. Regardless, both are fantastic!
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Patrick on 07 Feb 2008, 21:36
I always kindof liked Patsy Cline's backing band.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: carrotosaurus on 08 Feb 2008, 08:08
Albert Lee's just a country boy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOFpQd7aJ9U
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: screamingfool on 08 Feb 2008, 13:15
how about on the traditional side of things;

John Prine
Willie Nelson
Bobbie Gentry
Doc Watson
George Jones
Robert Force


and contemporary;

The Be Good Tanyas
Trailer Bride
Carla Bozulich (her cover of 'red-headed stranger' especially)
The Dolly Ranchers
Merrie Sloan
Rae Spoon

i know some of those are a bit more folk or bluegrass, but they definitely hit my country g-spot.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Johnny C on 08 Feb 2008, 14:55
I can't believe I forgot to mention The Sadies. Excellent, excellent band.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: NarwhalSunshine on 08 Feb 2008, 23:14
Needs moar George Jones
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Patrick on 08 Feb 2008, 23:19
I would yell at you for the fact that he was mentioned two posts ago, but then I realized, "No, he did it on purpose." Why the change of heart? Because George Jones himself does not have enough George Jones to satisfy the world's need for more George Jones.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Joybee on 09 Feb 2008, 01:44
I've only heard one of their songs so I haven't really given this band a good listen yet, but my friend said that Black Rebel Motorcycle Club is country-esque?

Someone please correct me if im wrong, I'm basically going by what I've heard.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: leperphiliac on 09 Feb 2008, 08:16
John Prine is good, but extremely depressing. "There's a hole in daddy's arm where all the money goes, Jesus Christ died for nothing I suppose. . ."

Black Rebel Motorcycle Club's album Howl is worth looking into.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Patrick on 09 Feb 2008, 08:34
Depressing as that rhyme is, damned if that isn't one of the greatest I've heard in any genre ever.

That's the thing about country lyrics. Either they are intentionally written to be as hokey as possible (it's kindof like shred guitarists, always trying to see how far you can go) or they are the best poetry you'll ever find.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: screamingfool on 09 Feb 2008, 10:08
yeah but then john comes out with songs like 'that flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore' or 'jesus the missing years' which is the cutest song evar. "on his 13th birthday he saw a rebel without a cause, he went straight on home and invented santa claus, he gave him a gift, he responded in kind,gave the gift of love and went out of his mind"


btw i am still amazed that a man wrote 'angel from mongomery' but if anyone was going to do it it was prine.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: nothingrevolutionary on 13 Feb 2008, 00:41
Palace Music
Will Oldham
Palace Songs
Bonnie 'Prince' Billy
Palace Brothers
Bonny Billy
yes.
I am bad at figuring out what is and isn't country music. Is Smog country music? If it is, then Smog is definitely good country music.
yes.  not so much in his early work, but a river ain't to much to love is an exceptional country album.
see also:
jolie holland
josh ritter
vetiver but only kind of sort of.
devendra banhart too but also only kind of sort of.

(is this too old?  it's only been a few days.  i always get so nervous about this kind of stuff.)
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Feb 2008, 09:59
Black Rebel Motorcycle Club's album Howl is worth looking into.

I could spit hyperbole about this album forever, but let me sum up by saying I picked this as my album of the year in 2005, and here is the feature in which I declared it as such:
http://www.rockmidgets.com/features.php?p=1&page=4&id=533&page=4
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: devinjames on 14 Feb 2008, 12:30
it should also be noted that there is considerable difference in country music between nashville and texas. during the recent drive from the hometown of new orleans to the home of the last five years of houston i noted this completely when listening to "whatever local country radio station i could find" and you could drastically hear the sound change somewhere between lafayette and lake charles from nashville centric country radio to what my mother calls "that goddamned texas twang".

along those lines a separate list should be made for texas country. as i generally like texas country more.

entitled "that goddamned texas twang" or "how come you're always going on about your lone star state". a list.

lyle lovett ("that's right (you're not from texas)" as previously referenced)
robert earle keen
adam carroll
willie nelson
waylon jennings

and most importantly:
charlie robison

then again, there's nothing like a good country musician in a noname bar in small town texas over a couple lone star beers and some gold tequila. recordings don't do justice. oh here i come el campo.

i mean: "i don't wear no stetson/but i'm willin' to bet son/that i'm as big a texan as you are/there's a girl in her bare feet/asleep on the back seat/and the trunk's full of pearl beer and lone star"
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 14 Feb 2008, 12:54
Scott H. Biram is from Texas.

i think i uploaded one of his albums to the mediafire thread a while back. it should still be active.
Title: Re: Country music that is good.
Post by: doombilly on 14 Feb 2008, 13:13
(http://wwwstatic.kern.org/images/kcMuseum/MerleHaggard.jpg)
Merl!
Agreed. And folks I used to be a banjo picker. I know, shexy.  :laugh: