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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: RoadForksYou on 04 Feb 2008, 22:34
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I'm really digging this new album that jeph commented about earlier tonight (They Will Destroy You). I would consider myself a post-rock fan, I've been through most of the wide-release records for Explosions, GY!BE, Mogwai, A Silver Mt. Zion, Set Fire to Flames, Bell Orchestre and the Red Sparowes.
But I'm hungry for more. Can anybody throw some more post-rock out there that I might enjoy?
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EDIT: JEPH SEZ I AM ASHOLE SO I FIXES POST
I would consider you a post-rock dabbler since it sounds like you've only encountered or only listen to one "style" of post-rock, but whatever.
If you really want to get into the "genre" as a whole, first go back and get Disco Inferno's DI Go Pop, early Tortoise albums, Slint's Spiderland (duh), everything by Jessamine, Tristeza, Do Make Say Think, Labradford, Pan American (a project by one of Labradford's members), Aix Em Klemm (also Labradford-associated), Papa M's stellar Live From a Shark Cage, The For Carnation's equally astounding self-titled album, Flying Saucer Attack, Third Eye Foundation, Rex, him (not the metal band H.I.M.), Loscil, Windy & Carl, Clear Horizon (collaboration between Jessica Bailiff and Dave Pearce of FSA)...
That should keep you busy for a while.
As far as more recent stuff, Té (Japanese band) is one of the best things to happen in a very long time.
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I'm fairly sure it's this will destroy you, not they.
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early Tortoise albums
Just go with the last two words and you're safe.
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I honestly haven't been too impressed by the last couple Tortoise albums, though they are decent. My context was trying to explain how to semi-chronologically get into the genre, though, which is why I qualified with "early".
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Mogwai is pretty essential- their catalog is decent throughout, but their newest, Mr. Beast, is quite good. I'd give that a spin.
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Being that Post rock is really all I listen to anymore, I've discovered a bunch that definitely need mentioning. Soxan Shore, Sparrows Swarm and Sing, This is a Process of a Still Life, Foxhole, We're from Japan!, Ydni Halda, Season, Samuel Jackson Five, Scraps of Tape, Maserati... of course the necessary gy!be and gy!be offshoots and tons of others. What I'd really suggest listening to is This is a Process of a Still Life and Foxhole. If you can, give 'Lamentation' by Foxhole or 'Cross My Heart, Hope You Die' by This is a Process of a Still Life (hell, just give their self titled a listen, it's excellent).
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Akhmed are a pretty good local post rock band that I'm gonna throw out there.
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My context was trying to explain how to semi-chronologically get into the genre, though, which is why I qualified with "early".
Your list is good, but you forgot Talk Talk.
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Wow, that was actually obscenely fast. I have hit up a couple of those others you mentioned, mostly the big names. I was reluctant to go including anything that sounded remotely similar, especially since a lot in this genre defies classification. I've...dabbled in Tortoise, heard Spiderland as a matter of right, and actually seen Do Make Say Think live (highly recommended). But, thanks for the suggestions. Any more are welcome, I've got a good 20 GB of Ipod to fill.
And sorry about the title.
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Your list is good, but you forgot Talk Talk.
I actually was going to include them, but didn't want to confuse him by recommending a band that only really had one post-rock album.
RoadForksYou: All the bands I listed are "big names" in the origins of post-rock. And they represent a very diverse selection of sounds. I was trying to steer you away from just "post-rock that sounds like GY!BE, Mogwai, EitS, Mono, etc."
I cannot recommend Rex's first album enough. It's what you would get if you crossed Slint with folk music, roughly speaking.
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September Malevolence, Ellis the Vacuum Child, Loss of a Child, The American Dollar, The Ascent of Everest, Because of Ghosts, Blue States, Te, Boy is Fiction, Grails, Six Parts Seven, Migala, Caspian, Clogs, Rachel's, Efterklang, French Teen Idol, From the Sky, Of Sinking Ships, Friends in the Mountains, Japancakes, We're From Japan and Joy Wants Eternity are ones that don't seem to have been mentioned and come to mind immediately w/o any itunes browsing. I can recommend all of them highly. Much of my 100gb library is post-rock/ambient music so if this list doesn't do it I can throw out some more.
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Call me a dabbler all you want... after watching Heima, I'm certain I will never need anything more than Sigur Rós. And maybe Explosions because we share a hometown so I have to root for them. And maybe Mono because they blew my freaking mind one day a while back.
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Do Make Say Think live (highly recommended).
I found them incredibly boring
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Sigur Rós's Ágætis Byrjun is amazing.
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don't seem to have been mentioned
I mentioned Té in my first reponse.
Rodan and June of 44 also. M83.
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Caspian
Sorry for the self promotion, but since you asked...
I play viola in On Fire (soon to have a new name), a post-rock band in Boston that performs with Caspian often. We are on the same label as This Will Destroy You. www.myspace.com/onfire.
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I would consider you a post-rock dabbler since it sounds like you've only encountered or only listen to one "style" of post-rock, but whatever.
Goddamnit Zerodrone why do you have to fuck up a perfectly good post with assholery
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Why am I the only one who ever gets called out for "assholery"? Jeez. Have you read some of Khar's posts?
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haha you do seem to get more guff than most. i wonder why that is.
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It's because I am knee-deep in trim.
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I'm not sure if they qualify as "post-rock" per se, but you could check out Helios. Someone upped their album, Eignya, in the Mediafire thread. It's one of the most gorgeous albums I have heard in a long time.
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On the more hardcore end of post-rock, Envy and City of Caterpillar are pretty good.
Edit: Agalloch hasn't been mentioned either. It should not take this long to mention Agalloch.
They're what happens when you take post-rock, folk, and black metal and mush it all together. It's awesomeness.
Moar edit: Beth I like your band too. You guys sound tasty. Come to DC and I'll watch you play music! I promise!
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I play viola in On Fire (soon to have a new name), a post-rock band in Boston that performs with Caspian often. We are on the same label as This Will Destroy You. www.myspace.com/onfire.
Very awesome!
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Yeah I like it a lot too. What are you changing the name to?
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I play viola in On Fire (soon to have a new name), a post-rock band in Boston that performs with Caspian often.
I like the two newer songs, which I would place far more in the "shoegazer" direction than anything else. The two older songs on the page, which are more "post-rocky", are okay but not exceptional. Stick with the new sound.
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Zerodrone I honestly do not have it in for you. You are a useful contributor to this forum! It just frustrates me when you take what would be a really useful, informative post (like your first one in this thread) and tack on a completely unnecessary insult. I don't think you even MEANT it as an insult, but can you at least see why it could be taken as such? Calling someone who is interested in post-rock but not thoroughly versed in all its diverse sounds a "dabbler" may be semantically correct, but it's still kind of rude, and not useful to anyone. I would like this board to be a welcoming place to people new to the music we collectively like. I'm not saying you have to completely censor your opinions or couch them in nicey-nice talk, I would just appreciate it if you'd be more aware of the different ways some of your statements can be interpreted.
As for comparing your treatment to other forum people's treatment, I am riding you harder because I know you can be better! It's not fair, certainly, but I am a petty tyrant.
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i am a hat :D
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silence, hat
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Silence! I concur!
Efterklang
I didn't realize that they were considered post-rock. Oh well
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/The_More_You_Know.jpg)
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I knitted you a hat all blue and gold to keep your ears warm from the Binghamton cold. It was my first one and it was too small. It didn't fit you at all, but you wore it just the same.
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Okay I remembered another group: El Ten Eleven.
They are very good. They are not all like zomg we shall now tremolo pick you to death kthx. They are different.
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I'm not sure if they qualify as "post-rock" per se, but you could check out Helios. Someone upped their album, Eignya, in the Mediafire thread. It's one of the most gorgeous albums I have heard in a long time.
Hate to be nit-picky but Helios is just one guy, Keith Kenniff (a la Eluvium, Tim Hecker, Max Richter, Loscil, Xela, The Dead Texan, Jasper T.X., and Jefre Cantu-Ledesma all of whom, by the way, I recommend highly to anyone interested in ambient experimentations).
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Ah, my bad.
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all its diverse sound
So, being such a...dabbler in post-rock, I guess I don't have any appraisal of what might be considered the different "sounds" of post-rock. I'm reluctant to ask you to break it into sub-genres, but rather, what would you say the different sounds are (and some examples for each).
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WREEEEEE!!! is one sound.
chickitachickitachickita is another.
Sometimes WowOwOwOw.
Also often dangalangalangalangalanga.
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don't forget the vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv of the shoegazing area
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I don't think you even MEANT it as an insult, but can you at least see why it could be taken as such? Calling someone who is interested in post-rock but not thoroughly versed in all its diverse sounds a "dabbler" may be semantically correct, but it's still kind of rude, and not useful to anyone.
My apologies! In the future I will refrain from being semantically correct in favor of being strawberry flavored!
I would like this board to be a welcoming place to people new to the music we collectively like.
I thought the only band the music forum collectively could agree on was Boris.
I'm not saying you have to completely censor your opinions or couch them in nicey-nice talk, I would just appreciate it if you'd be more aware of the different ways some of your statements can be interpreted.
I'm aware of them, but I don't think it's too much to ask newcomers to also be aware of the different ways they can be interpreted. This is the internet, anyone who can find the power button on their computer should by now know not to hastily rush to conclusions when somebody posts something that is not explicitly rude. This is not to say I don't see your point, just that at least in this case I don't think I said anything wrong enough to call me out for. Plus, I am wacky and fun loving 99.99% of the time!
As for comparing your treatment to other forum people's treatment, I am riding you harder because I know you can be better! It's not fair
Well, at least you admit it. As long as you don't start deleting my posts I don't really care, anyway.
Instead of saying I fucked up a post with assholery, why couldn't you have said the same thing in a nicer way, like you just did? If someone sees ZOMG THE CREATOR HIMSELF dissing me, especially someone new, they're more likely to form an opinion that I'm someone it is acceptable to dogg on. And that's not cool. Dogg.
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I thought the only band the music forum collectively could agree on was Boris.
I'm going to be hated for this but, while I respect the things that Boris does, I don't personally care much for their music. I do, however, like most of the other bands mentioned in this thread.
So there we are. One dissenter at least.
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sgt. haven't been mentioned. Neither have Laura. They're both awesome.
Also, Ahkmed, Leech, La Otracina, Alasehir, Thumlock, Bossk, Shora, Ten East, Galacticka, Surface of Eceyon, Guapo, Subarachnoid Space, and most of 35007's albums are all great if you like some psychedelic flavoring in your post-rock ramen.
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I'm aware of them, but I don't think it's too much to ask newcomers to also be aware of the different ways they can be interpreted. This is the internet, anyone who can find the power button on their computer should by now know not to hastily rush to conclusions when somebody posts something that is not explicitly rude.
I will be honest, and say I didn't find anything particularly harsh or derogatory about his post. However, I think you're making a generalization here, Zerodrone. Some people just jump to conclusions by nature. We could ask them not to, but I don't think they're inherently going to know.
I'm not saying you're a bad guy at all, and frankly, I wouldn't have called you out for it on any given day.
Back on topic, I guess Stereolab are considered post-rock. You could check them out.
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God damnit. I suck at this whole "posting" thing, lately. I seriously click "Modify" and it creates a new post. So, sorry about the double posts, guys.
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I thought of a few more.
Frontier
Asteroid #4
Particle
Soundtribe Sector 9 (warning: hippies like this band sometimes, but so do ravers)
90 Day Men
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Okay I remembered another group: El Ten Eleven.
They are very good. They are not all like zomg we shall now tremolo pick you to death kthx. They are different.
Ooooh, I love El Ten Eleven. They are one of the things I miss most about living on the West Coast. Nothing beats a two-headed guitar, except maybe a guitar/keytar combination.
We are changing On Fire's name to Eksi Ekso, which is a bastardization of Greek words. The official change happens in March.
Thank you so much to whomever has listened to our tracks, and the compliments. Maybe we can make it to DC sometime in the not to distant future, it is not all that far from the North East.
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You'd probably like Boris somewhat, they're similar to Kyuss, just less stonery (by this I mean they're faster).
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Yeah, I don't particularly care for Boris either. And while I don't have any Joy Division to listen to regularly, I am pretty sure I like what I've heard before.
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Laura
This is an excellent suggestion.
World's End Girlfriend is also fantastic although his CDs are really hard to find in the U.S. and, I would imagine, a lot of other countries outside of Japan.
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I dislike Boris and adore Joy Division.
Got a Te album the other day on the strength of the ridiculous track names alone, must get around to listening to that.
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The American release of the Té album has slightly less ridiculous song names. I'm pretty sure whoever came up with the original translations just fed the Japanese into babelfish.
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The American release of the Té album has slightly less ridiculous song names. I'm pretty sure whoever came up with the original translations just fed the Japanese into babelfish.
I second this. I don't know where those ridiculous song titles came from, but I put them in parenthesis next to the actual titles because I thought they were funny. But it is a good album. I enjoyed it a lot.
And Zerodrone, because of all of the Zerodrone attention in this thread I thought I would say sorry for getting angry with you in whatever that other thread was. Kiss and make up? :wink: I don't think you are a bad guy either. I particular appreciate your comments in the music forum as you obviously know what you are talking about. People that know things are obviously a benefit to me, as I probably have something to learn.
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And Zerodrone
For the record, I do have a name, I will not be offended if people use it. It is Jackie. Also the Z is not capitalised. That is serious business, people.
Kiss and make up? :wink:
Yes, by all means, let us have makeouts. PIX PLZ THX.
I don't think you are a bad guy either.
No, I really am. I lure unsuspecting 18-year-old girls into my van with Neutral Mlik Hotel bootlegs.
I particular appreciate your comments in the music forum as you obviously know what you are talking about.
I have just been lucky enough to have had almost nothing to do for most of my life but smoke dope, listen to music, play music, write, and hang out in bars and venues. And without a trust fund, too! The secret? Low overhead.
I probably have something to learn.
My classroom is right back here. I am sorry I don't have any chairs, you will have to sit on the bed.
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For the record, I do have a name, I will not be offended if people use it. It is Jackie. Also the Z is not capitalised. That is serious business, people.
Got it. But from now on I will just refuse to capitalize jackie just to spite you.
No, I really am. I lure unsuspecting 18-year-old girls into my van with Neutral Mlik Hotel bootlegs.
Well at least they are of-age! amirite?
My classroom is right back here. I am sorry I don't have any chairs, you will have to sit on the bed.
Bed's tend to be more comfortable anyway. Thanks for the offer as well! It is very nice of you to take the floor.
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Well at least they are of-age! amirite?
It is worth noting at this point that the age of consent in many states is 16.
I take a lot of road trips.
It is very nice of you to take the floor.
There are simply too many dead hookers for me to get comfortable down there.
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It is worth noting at this point that the age of consent in many states is 16.
I take a lot of road trips.
Well all the better for you then? And do you take a lot of road trips to find easier prey? Are the 16 year olds in your area catching on?
There are simply too many dead hookers for me to get comfortable down there.
well I can't be buggered to care. I already took the bed, you will have to make due with a dead hooker sofa.
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If I had a 5-year prison sentence for every underage girl that has come on to me I'd get out of jail roughly around the Second Coming.
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hey shmexy
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Back off. I am a little old, but I will still fight you. I am female after all. That has to be worth something.
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I don't know, which one of you is a bigger Joy Division fan? That trumps gender.
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I actually paid for Unknown Pleasures, Closer, Still, Substance and Heart and Soul.
I saw Control and Joy Division in theaters.
I want to hug Natalie Curtis, not really sure why.
New Dawn Fades makes me cry 3/4 of the time I listen to it.
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I am as of now refusing to participate in this little epeen frenzy, mainly to spite jackie for bugging me about it, and also because I would not like to have a dick (even if it is electronic).
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This is ironic because my epeen is about hugging and crying.
I am sorry if my excitement made me seem to resemble a dick.
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It was mainly in response to jackie pitting us against each other and centering it around joy division. I was just looking to smack some bitches. :-D
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We could make out to make him jealous.
Or, you know, not.
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Back off, nancy boy. She's my groupie.
Plus, she could get in trouble with The Man for makeouts with you.
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do you really want to hurt me?
do you really want to make me cry?
Also: really? Just makeouts = trouble with the Man?
...That's probably worthy of a o.0 but I'm curious.
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One of the times I DJ'd a goth night a couple years ago I played the Violent Femmes cover of "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me?"
You just cannot fuck with that.
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Every time I hear "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me?", my first thought is always "Well I didn't before, but I kinda do now."
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You just cannot fuck with that.
Fair enough.
Also: George in The Wedding Singer singing "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me" all the time was basically rickrolling before rickrolling. Before duckrolling, even.
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Back off, nancy boy. She's my groupie.
Aw you would fight for me? I think I just won this whole little argument/discussion thing. I didn't even have to participate in the Joy Division smack down!
Plus, she could get in trouble with The Man for makeouts with you.
Huh...well as long as he is 16-18, I should be okay, right? I mean, Jackie, you are the expert after all. Not that I thought about it at all...
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Aw you would fight for me?
Well....
You’re so fine
I want you mine
You’re so delicious
I think about ya all the time
You’re so addictive
Don’t you know what I could do to make you feel alright?
Don’t pretend I think you know I’m damn precious
And Hell Yeah
I’m the motherfucking princess
I can tell you like me too and you know I’m right
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Well, Princess. If I wasn't sold before, I definitely am now.
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At which point we ask you kids to take it to a P.M. or some other such medium.
So, how about that post-rock?
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It's pretty good.
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At which point we ask you kids to take it to a P.M. or some other such medium.
Dude if we hadn't been talking via AIM this whole time there would be like 20 more pages of this. So count your lucky stars!
:-)
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I know Jeph told you to be nicer, but something about seeing a smiley emoticon at the end of one of your posts just seems so wrong . . .
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Dude I'm always nice. :angel:
:laugh:
:-)
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Okay, this page is quite possibly the most bewildering and/or scary thing I've read on these forums so far.
But on the topic of post rock, can anybody name some good melody driven post rock bands/songs (think "Radio Swan Is Down - Part 1" with it's awesome opening)?
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Spluff, I uploaded a song by sgt. to the Forced Listening thread that might be up your alley. The link's still good and it's my only post on that thread. If you find it and like it I'll upload the album to the mediafire thread.
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So I'm listening to 'This Will Destroy You' and what immediately strikes me is how similar the main riff of the first song (A Three Legged Workhorse) is to a Múm song from 'Finally We Are No One'.
I have no idea if this has been brought up before or if it's a homage, just struck me as kind of strange.
'K-Half Noise' is the Múm song I'm referring to, you can listen to it here http://youtube.com/watch?v=XzyOsmFBN-k .
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I neglected to mention Sandro Perri's solo work, notably that under the Polmo Polpo moniker. Released by Constellation (the Do Make Say Thin, Silver Mt. Zion, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Hrsta, Fly Pan Am and several others), the album 'Likes Hearts Swelling' is an album I would call a masterpiece without any hesitation. A rolling, fuzzy haze of sound with strings spilling in and out amongst the noise, this is certainly one of the better ambient albums in my collection. I'd be happy to upload it if there's any interest.
I know I mentioned Xela before but his album 'The Dead Sea' is probably the best avant-garde noise album from the past couple years. Could up that as well if anyone wants.
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Spluff, I uploaded a song by sgt. to the Forced Listening thread that might be up your alley. The link's still good and it's my only post on that thread. If you find it and like it I'll upload the album to the mediafire thread.
Dude you posted a Sgt. album in that link to that blog in the medaifire thead.
It's right here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,16145.2850.html). Good stuff.
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So I'm listening to 'This Will Destroy You' and what immediately strikes me is how similar the main riff of the first song (A Three Legged Workhorse) is to a Múm song from 'Finally We Are No One'.
I have no idea if this has been brought up before or if it's a homage, just struck me as kind of strange.
'K-Half Noise' is the Múm song I'm referring to, you can listen to it here http://youtube.com/watch?v=XzyOsmFBN-k .
Anyhow, regardless of what Múm song you're talking about: Múm is harmless pop-music disguised as weird-electronica whereas THIS WILL DESTROY YOU.
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after a few listens, I'll take Múm over THIS WILL DESTROY YOU any day. :wink:
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Dude you posted a Sgt. album in that link to that blog in the medaifire thead.
It's right here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,16145.2850.html). Good stuff.
I forgot! That's the blog I originally got the album from too. Good looks!
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So I'm listening to 'This Will Destroy You' and what immediately strikes me is how similar the main riff of the first song (A Three Legged Workhorse) is to a Múm song from 'Finally We Are No One'.
Two modern post-rock songs having similar riffs?!
The devil you say!
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I wouldn't call Múm post-rock...
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I would agree with this sentiment. They're definitely closer to glitch or IDM than anything else
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I think your definitions of post-rock are too narrow.
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I dunno, I've always thought that post rock was perhaps too broad of a genre name. For the classic example, we are lumping Tortoise and Mogwai into the same genre. And the genre really hasn't hit a point like metal were there are 43543198 different sub-genres and the term metal is used as an all-encompassing name for the sub-genre's as a whole.
Or maybe it has hit that point. I once got a monthly e-mail from eMusic referring to Explosions in the Sky/Mono type bands as crescendo-core. It was highly disturbing.
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Post-rock is a very broad genre. This is not a bad thing, because it saves having too many subgenres.
Tortoise and Mogwai are far more similar than, say, Slint and Flying Saucer Attack.
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I really dislike the term post-rock in general but I'm not sure what else to use. Certainly Rachel's and If These Trees Could Talk, for example, are two vastly different groups with almost nothing in common. Somehow they've both found their way under the post-rock umbrella, however. The dangerous thing about this is that somehow will hear a couple similar sounding post-rock bands and come to associate the entire genre with that sound thus ignoring thousands of bands with different styles if they didn't like that sound or being confused and overwhelmed when they find how many different post-rock sounds there are if they decide to explore the genre in more depth. I really think some new categories or genres are needed. Something to distinguish between the wildly different approaches to post-rock. At the same time, as was said, we definitely don't want a million absurd sub-genres popping up all over the place. It's a dilemma, that's for sure. For now I will grudgingly stick to the post-rock moniker.
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Eh, just say, for example, when describing Maserati: "Post-rock with more of a psychedelic and driving edge". Or when describing Labradford: "Post-rock that sounds like Ennio Moriccone's Twin Peaks music."
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Dude you posted a Sgt. album in that link to that blog in the medaifire thead.
It's right here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,16145.2850.html). Good stuff.
I forgot! That's the blog I originally got the album from too. Good looks!
Thanks, that's the kinda stuff I was looking for.
Now I feel compelled to upload something in return. Hmm.
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Eh, just say, for example, when describing Maserati: "Post-rock with more of a psychedelic and driving edge". Or when describing Labradford: "Post-rock that sounds like Ennio Moriccone's Twin Peaks music."
This is actually the thing I love most about the post-rock name. It's evolution so far has allowed us just to differentiate post-rock's different sounds by our own words than a set sub-genre. I wish more music was like that...