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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: gardenhead_ on 09 Feb 2008, 19:25
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So, today is the 10th anniversary of In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, and I realised that for what a hugely influential album it seems to be there are hardly any artists that I know of that take a lot of influence from NMH. The only artist I know of is Viking Moses, which doesn't even sound a whole lot like NMH.
So, would anyone be able to recommend some NMH-like artists?
Also discuss the amazing greatness that is In The Aeroplane Over The Sea and Neutral Milk Hotel in general!
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Neutral Milk Hotel? MOER LIEK DOUCHE-TRAL SILK MOTEL AMIRITE?
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totally
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Khar is just loathe to admit that he likes this album apparently.
Anyhow, you really should check out Beirut. Especially the first album. Zach Condon, the main man behind Beirut, had a member are two of Jeff Mangum's backing musicians from Neutral Milk Hotel record on the first album with him.
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Oh damn, I totally forgot about Beirut. Thanks for reminding me! Gulag Orkestar is an awesome album.
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And since you like Beirut, you should also check A Hack and a Hacksaw, plus Jeremy Barnes of NMH is in it.
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The Decemberists borrowed a lot from NMH in their early days.
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I know that Spencer Krug (Wolf Parade, Sunset Rubdown, Frog Eyes, Swan Lake) has also spoken about admiration for Neutral Milk Hotel in interviews.
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"Holland, 1945" is the best song for shouting!
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Dark Flame? MOER LIEK SHARK FRAME, AMIRITE?
MOER LIEK SHIT FRAME
SHIT FUCK
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It'd be a good idea for you to check out Snake's Got A Leg and Sunset Rubdown by Sunset Rubdown, anything after that is too far away from NMH to warrant mention. Also, Frog Eyes might be worth your time and if your after more spooky sounds try bands like Wolf Eyes.
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See, Khar just likes to yell about things he loves when he's drunk.
Thanks for the thought, buddy! You're pretty great yourself.
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The end of that Khar post was just lazy. "Shit Fuck" has almost nothing to do with "Dark Flame" beyond being nonsense.
EDIT: Why am I just being super mean to people tonight.
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What sort of last name is "C" anyhow?
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"Holland, 1945" is the best song for shouting!
The trick to singing like Jeff Magnum is to sound like you're shouting even when you're not.
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I just tried doing it while pretending to Mangum, bloody hell that was fun.
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I am slightly confused, here. 'For such an influential album, it's not influenced many people.'
HEH?
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Ok, I worded it pretty terribly. What I meant was, so many critics say it's one of the most influential albums of the 90's, and lots of artists cite it and NMH as an influence, but what I was saying is that it doesn't really translate into the music.
As I've been shown in this thread though is that I overlooked a lot of artists for some reason. I mean how the hell did i not draw the comparisons with Frog Eyes?
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Influence doesn't necessarily have to translate directly into the music. Quite apart from the fact that you can be influenced lyrically, loads of bands sound nothing like their influences. Can you hear The Cure in blink-182, or Deftones? Can you hear Missy Elliott in Eels? Can you hear Ice Cube in Weezer? There may be elements of it somewhere, but you'd never trace it directly.
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Can you hear The Cure in blink-182?
No. I'd be glad not hearing blink 182 at all, though.
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Jesus Christ, this board is getting predictable. I need to stop giving it the benefit of the doubt.
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The band Nineteen Forty-Five borrow from NMH.
I like On Avery Island better.
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Can you hear The Cure in blink-182?
No.
I don't know how, the last album features one track sung entirely by Robert Smith himself.
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And it wasn't even good.
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I like On Avery Island better.
seconded
(Everything Is is kind of shitty though)
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I don't know how, the last album features one track sung entirely by Robert Smith himself.
I haven't listened to blink-182 in a long time. I bet if I sat down and actually listened to them again, and then The Cure, I might be able to.
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(Everything Is is kind of shitty though)
I don't know, I really like "Snow Song pt. 1".
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beirut is better than neutral milk hotel
unfortunetly neutral milk hotel only had one good album, and that was in the aeroplane over the sea, and unfortunetly, it wasn't THAT good
leave it alone
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Johnny C? MOER LIEK JOHNNY PEE
JOHNNY PISS
TRANNY PISS?
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you should check out the band Rock Plaza Central, heavily influenced by (sound a lot like) NMH for sure.
Plus Are We Not Horses? Is a pretty good album.
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The band Nineteen Forty-Five borrow from NMH.
I like On Avery Island better.
Thirded, more xylophone & fuzz bass. Anyone have the UK lp with the alternate cover?
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beirut is better than neutral milk hotel
I am sorry but you just guarantee'd I will never listen to another thing you say ever.
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He's right though.
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The band Nineteen Forty-Five borrow from NMH.
I like On Avery Island better.
Thirded, more xylophone & fuzz bass. Anyone have the UK lp with the alternate cover?
fourth'd (?). I like the fuzziness. ITAOS is kind of too clean.
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you should check out the band Rock Plaza Central, heavily influenced by (sound a lot like) NMH for sure.
Plus Are We Not Horses? Is a pretty good album.
This.
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(snip)
I am sorry but you just guarantee'd I will never listen to another thing you say ever.
Boy are you late to the party, sugar tits.
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He's right though.
yeah the guy from Beirut's voice isn't like being skullfucked by a cheesegrater
it's actually quite pleasant!
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I like Jeff Mangum's voice.
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It's not that bad...
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It's unique! Which is pretty cool.
Although by the end of "Sailing Through" off that Beauty demo, I'm kind of giggling a lot.
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yeah the guy from Beirut's voice isn't like being skullfucked by a cheesegrater
it's actually quite pleasant!
I'm having a hard time visualizing that imagery.
Also, even though Zach Condon's voice is amazing and operatic, his lyrics aren't nearly as grand as Mangum's.
You may not have noticed because it's pretty damn hard to tell what Condon is saying.
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The only song I don't really like off of In the Aeroplane Over the Sea is "King of Carrot Flowers Pt. 2." Nothing against Christians or Catholics, but I just cannot take him wailing "IIIII LOOOOOOVE YOOOOOU, JEEEEESUUSSSS CHRIIIIIST!" over and over again. It really gets on nerves. On the other hand, "Holland, 1945" is a lovely song.
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Are you implying Jeff Mangum is a Christian? I thought everyone knew he was singing that lyric ironically or whatever. He's gone on record as saying he's not Christian.
Anyway, I love that part. And once the song starts rocking, boy, is it awesome.
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The King of Carrot Flowers pts. 2 & 3 was always my least favorite track on ITAOTS. I like it right up to when he starts singing. The lyrics and singing just aren't up to par when he gets to, "And then I'll find myself AGAAAAAAIN! AGAI-AI-AI-AIN! OH-OH!"
I actually like the track up to that though.
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Are you implying Jeff Mangum is a Christian? I thought everyone knew he was singing that lyric ironically or whatever. He's gone on record as saying he's not Christian.
Anyway, I love that part. And once the song starts rocking, boy, is it awesome.
I'm implying that it's annoying. I agree with you about the rest of the song, though.
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I love you, Jesus christ. Jesus Christ, I love you.
I can't understand why anybody who would otherwise enjoy the song would find this lyric irritating. Do a lot of people have a problem with musicians using the phrase 'Jesus christ' in their songs?
It must be hard being Jeff Mangum. There's a lot of pressure on him to out perform this album if or when he decides to start writing and recording music again. No matter what he would do, people would say it wasn't as good as Aeroplane, even if it was better.
Bonus points to the man for not putting out the same schlock album over and over like most other 90s indie 'heroes' that kept on trucking.
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I never said I didn't enjoy the song. I just said it's not my favorite on that album. I really have nothing against that phrase in itself. Hell, I use "Jesus Christ," or just "Jesus" as an exclamatory nearly every day. It's just he repeats it ad nauseam, or at least to a point where it starts to bother me.
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Bonus points to the man for not putting out the same schlock album over and over like most other 90s indie 'heroes' that kept on trucking.
lolwut. All the 90s indie heroes did the same thing. Slint, My Bloody Valentine, GY!BE, Olivia Tremor Control, June of 44, Rex... doing your best work and suddenly calling it quits was what the 90s were all about*!
*Yes, I know GY!BE didn't quit until the 00's, but still.
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He's still recording, writing, and playing music. He went to this Bulgarian folk festival and recorded a 30 minute compilation. I mean, it's not NMH, but it's output, and it's definitely not sticking to some tried and true formula.
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beirut is better than neutral milk hotel
I am sorry but you just guarantee'd I will never listen to another thing you say ever.
and you have statistical evidence to prove that my claim is any less truthful than your claim? sorry sugar boobs but if you don't like my opinion boo hoo, go cry later, your opinion is not better than anybody elses no matter how much we conflict and i think your an idiot
you want to stop listening to false opinions? stop saying opinions, because for every statistical false opinion i say, i gauruntee you've said more
people have different opinions, deal with it, or close your eyes ears AND mouth mr three monkeys
at least beriut is consistant, NMH just convinced me that they have one album that i can listen to all the way through without wanting to burn my hipster scarves and my buddy holly demeaner
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:?
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we need to keep this guy around because he is super great
we will dedicate a day to him
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beirut is better than neutral milk hotel
I am sorry but you just guarantee'd I will never listen to another thing you say ever.
and you have statistical evidence to prove that my claim is any less truthful than your claim? sorry sugar boobs but if you don't like my opinion boo hoo, go cry later, your opinion is not better than anybody elses no matter how much we conflict and i think your an idiot
you want to stop listening to false opinions? stop saying opinions, because for every statistical false opinion i say, i gauruntee you've said more
people have different opinions, deal with it, or close your eyes ears AND mouth mr three monkeys
at least beriut is consistant, NMH just convinced me that they have one album that i can listen to all the way through without wanting to burn my hipster scarves and my buddy holly demeaner
I'm not trying to fight zerodrone's fights for him or anything, but he never said your opinion was false. There is no such thing as a false opinion.
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Yes there is.
That's my opinion so it can't be false
P-p-p-p-paradox.
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ouch
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I'm not trying to fight zerodrone's fights for him or anything, but he never said your opinion was false. There is no such thing as a false opinion.
Precisely.
Are you a boy or a girl? Either way I love you because "Gardenhead/Leave Me Alone" is the best NMH song ever. In fact the best lyric ever is "I swear I have nothing to prove, I just want to dance in your tangles to give me some reason to move."
NB: My heart is pledged to another so I'm kidding about loving you! Still, you are OK in my book. Music forums need more people like you and De El!
(This is a drunk post.)
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haha, thanks. I completely agree, best NMH song ever. That last verse has some of the most beautiful lyrics ever.
Oh and I'm a boy.
I'm also in agreeance with Flaming Ostrich. But what will we call the day?
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sorry sugar boobs
God damn it get your own insult, that one is MINE.
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I think I've listened to the title track at least six times already, in third block.
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sorry sugar boobs
God damn it get your own insult, that one is MINE.
Sugar tits has so much more Zing.
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I think I've listened to the title track at least six times already, in third block.
That's interesting, I always skip the title track because I do not like it.
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I don't know why, but I think it's my favorite. I've pretty much been listening to it on repeat all day long.
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NB: My heart is pledged to another so I'm kidding about loving you! Still, you are OK in my book. Music forums need more people like you and De El!
(This is a drunk post.)
Man this is weird. Zero is showing so much love lately to new forumites.
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I am secretly a nice person.
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Not so secretly anymore, apparently. Which is almost unfortunate. I kind of liked it when I was the only one that realized.
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Well, you are probably the only one who realises how nice I can be. :angel:
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well I damn well should be! Or else I would be a little worried.
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sorry sugar boobs
God damn it get your own insult, that one is MINE.
you mean in the same context that donald trump owns "your fired?"
you didn't come up with sugar boobs
nor do you own it donald
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you mean in the same context that donald trump owns "your fired?"
That context presumably being "incorrectly".
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How do you own something incorrectly?
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I realise that.
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I am wondering how "sugar tits" is an insult.
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By being remarkably sexist?
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One man calling another man "sugar tits" is sexist?
I am not parsing that thought process.
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I just want to know what circumstances led to somebody calling somebody else 'sugar boobs' - let alone how it became an insult.
The mind boggles.
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it just came out, i honestly don't know where i got it from
but i do apologize, i should have mentioned splenda instead?
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*cough*
I like ITAOTS better than On Avery Island, but I discovered it first, so I don't know if On Avery Island had a fair shot.
Also: Those old interviews Pitchfork dug up were really cool.
My new favorite Jeff Mangum quote: "I usually wake up every morning completely freaked out that I'm in my body."
Me: overusing colons. el oh el poop
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One man calling another man "sugar tits" is sexist?
It's a derogatory term based on gender (and you could argue that men can theoretically have breasts too but you and I both know that's not where the term comes from). That's pretty much all the proof I need.
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"Sugar tits" is derogatory? I agree that it's crude and objectifying but if you have thick enough skin not to care it's kind of a compliment, sorta. It's like, oh, check that out, an asshole thinks I'm attractive enough that I shouldn't need to be intelligent.
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Guys stop overanalyzing shit. "Sugar tits" is derogatory no matter who you say it to. That's kindof the point of insults. Nothing to see here, go make some friends.
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I agree that it's crude and objectifying but if you have thick enough skin not to care it's kind of a compliment, sorta.
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k157/jcsunshine/me%20as%20a%20macro/Photo203.jpg)
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If you had sugar tits, and you got a suntan, would they be caramel tits?
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Jesus, Khar. If I wanted puns like that I'd have asked my dad.
EDIT: Johnny I am totally saving that picture for later forum use.
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So, I guess I can't say "toots" then.
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Is it just me or is stubble Johnny C like 90% hotter? Than the sun.
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I guess it's a blessing that it pretty much peaks there, eh?
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Jesus, Khar. If I wanted puns like that I'd have asked my dad.
Is your dad also hellaciously awesome.
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I agree that it's crude and objectifying but if you have thick enough skin not to care it's kind of a compliment, sorta.
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You look like a young Roger Miller. I believe this is a good thing. Would you like to borrow my Fender Lead II?
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Is your dad also hellaciously awesome.
He has his good days.
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Is it just me or is stubble Johnny C like 90% hotter? Than the sun.
He looks like the guy from Klaxons.
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The worst part about this CD is that I hadn't heard it up until last year.
Seriously, it is that good.
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Dark Flame? MOER LIEK SHARK FRAME, AMIRITE?
MOER LIEK SHIT FRAME
SHIT FUCK
This post cracked me up. It kind of describes the internet, in a way.
Actually, most of this thread is cracking me up.
But yeah, pretty much among the best albums ever.
I wish NMH would get back together and do more stuff.
Or at least play a show.
Why do the awesome bands break up before I'm old enough to care about them? D:
I was born too late.
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Start listening to Ted Leo -right fucking now-
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Best be listenin' to the man.
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Neutral Milk Hotel is good, but they're overhyped.
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this thread is now about this:
Start listening to Ted Leo -right fucking now-
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Chisel- Set You Free
TL;RX- The Tyranny of Distance
TL;RX- Hearts of Oak
(Haven't listened to Treble in Trouble, but I like two songs from that EP)
That's all you need from Ted, really. Shake the Sheets = Shake the Shit Sandwich.
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The full band version of 'Loyal To My Sorrowful Country' from the Blueline Medic split is one of my favourite Ted songs.
I also quite like a fair bit of Sheets to be fair. Tyranny is the best by far and everything he did with Chisel is better overall, but 'Me & Mia', 'Little Dawn' and the title track are pretty cool.
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I listened to some Ted Leo on youtube because of this.
It was pretty shit!
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Shake the Sheets = Shake the Shit Sandwich.
...wait wait wait. You're knocking THAT album, but you're promoting Hearts of Oak? Not to be a dick, but I do believe you are doing it wrong, sir.
Seriously, "Bleeding Powers" and "Walking To Do" alone can destroy anything on Hearts of Oak any day.
Also yeah Khar we know you don't care about anything but metal :B
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Hearts of Oak is vastly inferior to the Balgeary ep thing.
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Also yeah Khar we know you don't care about anything but metal :B
this is not quite true! He also likes this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x7QPBzAJ_io
which, to be fair, is a great deal more fun than most Ted Leo
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Ok, I'll concede that there are some good songs on StS. Me and Mia, Angels' Share, and I think I remember enjoying Better Dead than Lead. But a good portion of the middle of the album is absolutely forgettable. Hearts of Oak is a lot more consistent- and how could you possibly argue with Where Have All The Rude Boys Gone? The High Party? Hearts Of Oak? Ballad of the Motherfucking Sin Eater? Of the only time that I saw Ted live, he ended with that number and it was absolutely goddamn phenomenal.
Plus, some of the lyrics on Shake the Sheets are fucking terrible. "I want to sweep the Halls of Arrogance, sweep the walls of the excrement of these baboons."? Shit! Ted wrote a bunch of better lyrics than that, and they're on the two albums before Shake the Sheets.
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which, to be fair, is a great deal more camp than most Ted Leo
fyp
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the terms are pretty synonymous
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Plus, some of the lyrics on Shake the Sheets are fucking terrible. "I want to sweep the Halls of Arrogance, sweep the walls of the excrement of these baboons."
Just 'cause the title track is shit doesn't mean the rest of the album is.
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this is not quite true! He also likes this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x7QPBzAJ_io
I knew what this would be. Do I now recognise the youtube URL off by heart, or are you just tediously predictable? MAYBE BOTH!
I also like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSkTv5t67E8) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzWVWY5QUzg) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ent8yoUMsEc) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExyRMqX8eOA) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0We9d5J3BLQ) and many other things! I guess I just do not like boring generic 'rock' music!
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Just 'cause the title track is shit doesn't mean the rest of the album is.
Well, to each their own, my main gripe with StS was the overall lower quality of lyricism. Whenever Ted wrote about anything political, I always preferred it when he wrote about it more subtly. The High Party? Awesome. Title track off of STS? Bad. The latter was the most extreme example I could find on that album.
Maybe one of these days I'll give Shake the Sheets a proper, objective listen, but it's not high on my priorities right now.
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Guys, Khar won't admit it, but he loves the Spice Girls. Like more than any other group ever.
We should all probably just talk to him about the Spice Girls from now on.
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I'll cut you to rags and feed your salted dick to a dog!
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post pix
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Only if you dip it in chocolate.
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I also like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSkTv5t67E8) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzWVWY5QUzg) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ent8yoUMsEc) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExyRMqX8eOA) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0We9d5J3BLQ) and many other things!
(http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7634/8f55a700e67e437eb65b57aps1.jpg)
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Man, it's almost like we didn't have an entire thread about it already
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in that case trust us that they're as good as we tell you they are and go out and by the album instead of downloading it
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I recommend Deerhoof, Animal Collective, and Of Montreal if you really like Neutral Milk Hotel.
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I recommend Deerhoof, Animal Collective, and Of Montreal if you really like Neutral Milk Hotel.
I recommend that those bands sound almost nothing like NMH and furthermore that two of them kind of suck.
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I think I like 3 songs off of Milk Man. I don't know why people like that album so much.
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Because small children can and have performed an opera of Milkman.
duh.
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Hitler enjoyed opera.
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HE WENT TO ART SCHOOL WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER
HE WANTED TO BE A PAINTER
HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN
HE WAS ALSO A NON SMOKER
HE HIRED GAY AND HANDICAPPED OFFICERS
HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OVERPOPULATION
IF HITLER WAS ALIVE TODAY
HE'D LISTENED TO THE CURE, THE SMITHS, AND DEPECHE MODE
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aaaaaaaaaand now full circle: wasn't In the Aeroplane Over the Sea about Anne Frank?
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Not entirely, but Holland, 1945 was.
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I recommend Deerhoof, Animal Collective, and Of Montreal if you really like Neutral Milk Hotel.
I recommend that those bands sound almost nothing like NMH and furthermore that two of them kind of suck.
I didn't say they did sound like Neutral Milk Hotel, sorry my recommendation didn't meet your standards. :wink:
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Well what's the point of recommending bands that don't sound like the source band?
"Yeah, if you like Boris, I recommend Sea Wolf."
:?
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Ah, and why would you want a band that sounds like Neutral Milk Hotel when you already have NMH to listen to? Wouldn't you rather hear some suggestions of other bands that are somewhat similar in style/genre?
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Let's recap:
Me: I don't think Animal Collective, Deerhoof, or Of Montreal sound much if anything like Neutral Milk Hotel in the least.
You: I didn't say they sounded like NMH.
Me: So why did you recommend them?
You: Because they sound like NMH.
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Riiiight.
So, the 33 1/3 on In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, anyone read it?
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Deerhoof =/= NMH.
Both good bands, but nevertheless, they sound nothing alike. Other than mildly irritating vocals.
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Jeff Magnum's voice kind of has to grow on you. You learn to love it. It's really dynamic and he can hold notes for quite a while.
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Jeff Magnum's voice kind of has to grow on you. You learn to love it. It's really dynamic and he can hold notes for quite a while.
I was the other way round. I listened to the album once kinda half paying attention and it seemed pretty ok. Then I gave it the time of day and dear god, angry hornets assaulting my eardrums with chainsaws! Oh no wait, that's a guy. And he's... s... he's sin... he's singing? Well I'll take your word for it sir.
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Not entirely, but Holland, 1945 was.
Several other songs are too actually, as are a number of the lyrics throughout. That song is only the most obvious example. Jeff Mangum himself said The Diary of Anne Frank was a direct influence on much of the album.
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So, the 33 1/3 on In the Aeroplane Over the Sea, anyone read it?
I ordered this yesterday and will probably get it on Monday!
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Well what's the point of recommending bands that don't sound like the source band?
dude don't you know all indie rock sounds the same if you like one you like them all
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Indie rock, schmindy spock.