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Title: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: mortideus on 11 Feb 2008, 19:55
I've been looking to learn how to learn to play the electric guitar, but don't have any places that give lessons around here.  Is there any other form of learning media that is really good?  If so, any recommendations?

Also, is there any certain guitar that is good for beginners?

Thanks
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 11 Feb 2008, 22:32
if you can't take lessons get books, get the "guitar gremoire" it'll have thousands of scales in every key to memorize both in piano sense and guitar sense

i was classicaly trained but most of what i learned was through hours and hours of just playing scales scales scales learning
songs very rarely and buying book after book after book, i have about 50 different books on guitar alone, and i'm a BASS PLAYER!

get a book on music theory too

until then

cyberfret.com

just make sure to learn your theory, especially about keys and rhythm, thats the mistake toooooooooooooo many people make "i r gun' play songz now! what key? key your mom! what measurement? measure your mom!" hur hur hur
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: E. Spaceman on 11 Feb 2008, 22:53
hey, this is appropiate, I am relearning to play the damned thing.

I just spent a while making random noises and then figured out (i think) the main riff for New Order/Joy Division's Ceremony
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 11 Feb 2008, 22:59
thats great practice too, just fiddling around till you figure out something you've heard before, just make sure you can be aware of what the notes are and what key its in, it'll come naturally through time but it'll be annoying and seemingly worthless in the beginning but its great great practice

and a good guitar to start out with especially if your uncertain if your gonna continue playing guitar is to just get a fender stratocaster, cheap, awsum, solid and excellent for learning, don't go over 200 dollars, seriously
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Spluff on 11 Feb 2008, 23:04
Quote from: dalconnsuch
and a good guitar to start out with especially if your uncertain if your gonna continue playing guitar is to just get a fender stratocaster, cheap, awsum, solid and excellent for learning, don't go over 200 dollars, seriously

I don't know how you were planning on getting a fender Strat for less than $200, but please, hit me up if you have sources.

Anyway, theory is good, but don't burn yourself out straight away. When you find yourself playing guitar all the time is when it's time to really hit the theory - because that's when you'll enjoy it. If you were to pick up an instrument and straight away dive into modulation or other (relatively) complicated things it probably won't be too fun - and having fun is the whole point of playing.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 11 Feb 2008, 23:10
A sharp music shop

corner of fourth and capital in renton washington

up for a cross country trip there?


c'mon, just cuz you do a google search and see all the signature strats being sold for a thousan ddoesn't mean it isn't out there

just gotta do a little huntin'!
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Spluff on 12 Feb 2008, 00:16
I'm lucky to see a Squier Strat for that much around here (but then again, that is AUD). Mexistrats tend to retail for about $400 USD from what I've seen, but you're right, I don't tend to look around that much.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Ballard on 12 Feb 2008, 07:20
Dogg, I work at an independent guitar shop. You will not find a new non-Squier Strat for that amount.

As well, the Strat is not the all-encompassing guitar. It is not the best beginner guitar (there probably isn't just one), it's simply the most popular.

Also maybe 1 out of every 50 people who try your method of learning succeed. Everyone else will burn out quite easily, so I suggest you review what you tell greenhorn musicians.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Feb 2008, 07:34
If you were to get a cheap guitar, I might be stating something you already know here, but don't buy without playing it first, quality can be really hit and miss. Play all the frets to make sure there are no dead frets, feel at the edges of the neck to make sure the frets don't just out too much, you don't want to slice your hand on a fret. Play it through an amp, if it buzzes loudly, try another, see if that helps. All of those things were problems with my first guitar, thankfully the guys at the shop were nice enough to send it back for a new one.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Valrus on 12 Feb 2008, 10:57
If you don't have a guitar yet, get something else. Everyone plays the fucking guitar and it's not cool anymore. Get a keyboard or a cello or a bouzouki or for the love of God anything else.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Lummer on 12 Feb 2008, 11:19
If you don't have a guitar yet, get something else. Everyone plays the fucking guitar and it's not cool anymore. Get a keyboard or a cello or a bouzouki or for the love of God anything else.

Yeah, because you're only doing it to be cool..

Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 12 Feb 2008, 12:12
No lie, I taught myself to play guitar by listening to the album Rage Against The Machine by, well, Rage Against The Machine. I was not doing the incredible effects-riddled solos that our friend Mr. Morello was doing (that motherfucker), but seriously, let's have a rundown of all the reasons it's the best goddamn album you can start out on:

1. For beginning guitarists, it is challenging, but it is not impossible to do a damn good job of spot-on playing every main riff to every song.
2. It's an excellent album altogether.
3. Just fucking listen to the riff during the verses of "Bombtrack".
4. A hell of a lot more fun than playing boring-ass scales all the time just because it's Rage Against The Machine, and the riffage is hellof cool-sounding and a lot more basic in structure, and therefore better for beginners.
5. Rage pretty much just uses pentatonic scales. Tom Morello's own words: "I pretty much just play the same dots on different strings."
6. JUST LOOK AT THE FUCKING COVER, DUDE, IT'S GOT A PICTURE OF A GUY LIGHTING HIMSELF THE FUCK ON FIRE HOLY SHIT THAT IS AWESOME

- P.S. dalconnsuch, I want whatever it is that you're smoking if it's telling you there's $200 Fender Strats available somewhere. That sounds like one incredible hallucinogen and I want it in bulk.
- P.P.S. On second thought, no, fuck that, I don't want to wind up disappointed when I come down off of my trip.
- P.P.P.S. That album along with private lessons from a well-reputed guitar teacher will seriously be all you need to start yourself off.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: De_El on 12 Feb 2008, 15:41
If you don't have a guitar yet, get something else. Everyone plays the fucking guitar and it's not cool anymore. Get a keyboard or a cello or a bouzouki or for the love of God anything else.

Keeeeytaaaaaaar!

For my part, I think it's important as a beginner not to be afraid to fuck around, and occasionally sound totally awful. If it sounds awful, you figure out what you did wrong, just put in more practice so you sound awful less often. I don't know what your living situation is, but when I was first learning to play guitar I lived in kind of a small house and my parents were around all the time, and being embarrassed at the thought of messing about, experimenting with the instrument, or sounding bad seriously retarded my development as a musician. So be shameless.

Also: ultimate-guitar.com has shitloads of tabs, lessons, recommendations and equipment reviews. Yay? I think so.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: sean on 12 Feb 2008, 15:47
Get a keyboard or a cello or a bouzouki or for the love of God anything else.

Do eet. Cellos are sex in the form of musical instruments.

They are hella expensive though. Only reason why I haven't gotten one myself.

Actually on topic: Get lessons for the first few months, at least. That way, you can be shown proper technique and build up finger strength. After that, you can stop and dick around and build your own style and shit like that.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 12 Feb 2008, 15:51
No lie, I taught myself to play guitar by listening to the album Rage Against The Machine by, well, Rage Against The Machine. I was not doing the incredible effects-riddled solos that our friend Mr. Morello was doing (that motherfucker), but seriously, let's have a rundown of all the reasons it's the best goddamn album you can start out on:

1. For beginning guitarists, it is challenging, but it is not impossible to do a damn good job of spot-on playing every main riff to every song.
2. It's an excellent album altogether.
3. Just fucking listen to the riff during the verses of "Bombtrack".
4. A hell of a lot more fun than playing boring-ass scales all the time just because it's Rage Against The Machine, and the riffage is hellof cool-sounding and a lot more basic in structure, and therefore better for beginners.
5. Rage pretty much just uses pentatonic scales. Tom Morello's own words: "I pretty much just play the same dots on different strings."
6. JUST LOOK AT THE FUCKING COVER, DUDE, IT'S GOT A PICTURE OF A GUY LIGHTING HIMSELF THE FUCK ON FIRE HOLY SHIT THAT IS AWESOME

- P.S. dalconnsuch, I want whatever it is that you're smoking if it's telling you there's $200 Fender Strats available somewhere. That sounds like one incredible hallucinogen and I want it in bulk.
- P.P.S. On second thought, no, fuck that, I don't want to wind up disappointed when I come down off of my trip.
- P.P.P.S. That album along with private lessons from a well-reputed guitar teacher will seriously be all you need to start yourself off.


you like talking too much
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Ballard on 12 Feb 2008, 16:20
And you're an asshole who contributes nothing and didn't bother acquainting himself with the general tone of the forum.

I suggest you start being more respectful to the other posters and review just how much you contribute with each post.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 12 Feb 2008, 16:47
And you're an asshole who contributes nothing and didn't bother acquainting himself with the general tone of the forum.

I suggest you start being more respectful to the other posters and review just how much you contribute with each post.

sure thing, becuase i didn't mention anything about anything
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Ballard on 12 Feb 2008, 16:49
Oh my, one post that pertains to the given subject. Would you like a medal?

For someone with 96 posts, you launch far too many personal attacks.

I would suggest you read the rules. For example, it's generally accepted as poor form to quote the post above you.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 12 Feb 2008, 16:52
hey, you want respect start givin it, the only personal attacks i've ever given have been to those who personally attack me or somebody else or say something completely bias under no statistical evidence

i'm actually a very nice guy, really i am, i'm just not nice enough to be nice when someones being an idiot or a jackass, whether to me or anybody else, i know, its a vicious circle that never ends, obviously i'm no better, but nor are you are ye? personally attacking me above there
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Spluff on 12 Feb 2008, 16:55
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Here are some capital letters. Use them.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 12 Feb 2008, 16:57
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it feels like a cooodeeee
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: tomselleck69 on 12 Feb 2008, 17:06
first rage album

So anyway, this is not bad advice. Playing along with the album will give you control over power chords and at least one non 4/4 time signature (I think?) as well as basic pentatonic stuff, which you will later find out is an integral part of guitarsmanship. Do this as a supplement to a good, traditional how-to-play-guitar resource and you will be on your way to something.

Also: resist the urges to buy tremolo and whammy pedals and to do everything in Drop-D at least until you have been playing a while.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Feb 2008, 18:39
Anything by AC/DC is also pretty simple, TNT, Dirty Deeds, and Highway to Hell would all be very easy beginner ones, some of the songs are more complicated, but still not very complicated at all. They also have the benefit of being really really fun to play.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: MadassAlex on 12 Feb 2008, 19:17
I would honestly advise against learning RATM.

Since it's in drop-D tuning, you'll learn to play primarily in that tuning, while you should be learning to play in standard tuning. I personally think that you should learn a very simple song like Breaking The Law by Judas Priest while learning some basic chords from a book or a Beatles song or whatever, since the complete versions of chords provide the basis for the legendary power chord.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Feb 2008, 19:30
Beatles songs are good to start with, that is true.

I suppose that if you want to know what songs would be good to learn, tell us what bands you like, and some of us ought to know songs from them that are relatively easy to learn.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: David_Dovey on 12 Feb 2008, 19:33
BREAKIN THE LAW

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55/ddovey/breakinthelaw.gif)

BREAKIN THE LAW
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: sean on 12 Feb 2008, 20:27
Psh. If your playing bass, you gotta learn with the blues.

It's mandatory. It says so in the rulebook.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 12 Feb 2008, 22:27
Psh. If your playing bass, you gotta learn with the blues.

It's mandatory. It says so in the rulebook.

i agree, blues is essential for any player, even a kazoo player, same with jazz on my opinion

and theory

theory just makes sense, knowing what notes your playing also makes sense, make it a habit of just randomly finding notes on the fretboard
cows make sense too
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 12 Feb 2008, 23:39
(relevant information)

you like talking too much


(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/292/youshutyourwhoremouthwhhm4.jpg)
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 12 Feb 2008, 23:56
The ONLY song you should ever learn on guitar is Brain Stew

It's the greatest song in the universe



Also, Kurt Vonnegut would cry at the use of grammar in your sig
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: nothingrevolutionary on 13 Feb 2008, 00:20
youtube, dude. there's alot of bullshit on there (but duh), but there's also some pretty solid lessons, and through the magic of video you can actually see someone excute the techniques instead of just guessing from a book.  justin sandercoe has alot of stuff on there that i found really helpful.
try to learn as much as you can by ear.  sheet music is a good thing to be able to read and you'll need to learn it eventually, but you need to build your ear, too.  another good thing is when you've got all the structure down on a particular album, go back and try to improvise around it.  this strengthens your ear and your sense of rhythm, so on, so forth. 
scales are good, theory's good, exercises are good, but remember that music is supposed to be fun.  you want to push yourself forward and learn and all that, but don't try to go so fast and so hard that you frustrate yourself.  take your time, grasshopper.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 13 Feb 2008, 01:29
(relevant information)

you like talking too much


(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/292/youshutyourwhoremouthwhhm4.jpg)

your a man? all this time i just thought you were a whiney little bitch who talks before thinking
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: David_Dovey on 13 Feb 2008, 01:43
Don't quote pictures please.

Also, YOU'RE.

YOU ARE

YOU'RE
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: MadassAlex on 13 Feb 2008, 01:49
your a man? all this time i just thought you were a whiney little bitch who talks before thinking

I would just like to comment on the irony inherent in this phrase:

This phrase contains irony and is highly amusing.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 02:00
dalconnsuch: You can do one of two things to make this an enjoyable experience for everybody. You can either ship up, shape up, and start shitting me Tiffany cufflinks, or you can leave so the rest of us can have civilized discussion and try to help the OP learn to play some fucking guitar so we can GET ON WITH OUR LIVES. Seriously, the first thing I ever said to you was in a private message. It was giving you basic helpful advice on how we do things in this forum. Instead of heeding it and developing into a good poster, you blew up in my face, accusing me of trying to be the king of the forum.

Listen up, dude. I am not the only one who thinks your posts need improvement. I tried to be nice and I tried to help, but you have done NOTHING but continue to be a dick to not only me but to a lot of people I respect on this forum and whom I consider to be my friends (most recently your attack against Ballard).

Seriously, stop being a douchebag. This isn't even about your intentional disregard of forum policy. This is about your attitude and how you treat other people. Nobody loves a troll, so stop being one.

tl;dr don't be a fuckbag and we'll be nicer to you.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Lummer on 13 Feb 2008, 02:47
Well, I started out learning a lot of Cure songs, that worked fine too.

But! For the love of god, get a teacher early on in the process. If only I had started lessons like two or three years ago, my chops would have been so much better now, so don't make the same mistake as me.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 08:41
I am sorry, what are "Chops"?
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: IronOxide on 13 Feb 2008, 08:45
To start Patrick, don't be a douchebag just because somebody else is being a douchebag.

Now that that's over and done with forever and ever, my advice for learning guitar as a musician in general is to know what notes and chords you're playing. The fact of the matter is that nobody likes the guy who can only read tab, and he's not a good musician. It can be a good tool, but only if you learn something from it.

Also, try out a variety of styles if you're going to start by learning songs, as all of them will help with different skills.

And while I agree that you should learn scales and stuff, don't burn yourself out on them. You should know them eventually, but you don't have to have them all down pat in three weeks.

Also, "Chops" are the amount that you can play something physically demanding quickly. On a horn, it is your lips, on a guitar or piano, it is your fingers.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Feb 2008, 08:52
Hey, to get back to the "what guitar should I get" thing...

Telecaster. *nod*
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 09:01
Ah, okay. Thanks oxide.

How about he tries guitars out at a store and finds which one he likes best within his price range?
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: psyne on 13 Feb 2008, 10:34
I'm learning to play acoustic. My roommate has an electric and a bass, though, I've played on them a little. I don't like the sound of his electric, though. Don't remember the make, but I'm pretty sure it's pretty low-end. The bass is Fender Precision, though. I like it.

Ironically, even though I can play bass mediocre-ly and ditto for chords on guitar, I can't fingerpick guitar at all. I've got a brain block or something.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 10:41
Nodaisho: he will like the Telecaster. HE WILL LIKE IT.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 11:47
I dunno, even if it felt great, Teles look too plain, in my opinion. My teacher has a cool custom one, but that is custom, and he has changed a lot about it.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: IronOxide on 13 Feb 2008, 12:42
Everyone ever agrees that the Telecaster is the only thing that Fender makes that you should bother with.

And if everyone ever agrees, do you want to be excluded from that group.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: negative creep on 13 Feb 2008, 13:37
ahem (http://www.kuveni.de/bilder/fender_jaguar.jpg).
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 13:39
DAMMIT THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A SECRET UNTIL YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING MORE THAN 2 YEARS
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: dalconnsuch on 13 Feb 2008, 14:12
my old jammin buddy tobias was really into telecasters, and i gotta say his custom telecaster is a hell of an instrument if i was more into guitar i'd get one

but alas, i'm the low end
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 14:28
Everyone ever agrees that the Telecaster is the only thing that Fender makes that you should bother with.

And if everyone ever agrees, do you want to be excluded from that group.
I don't really care, and by definition, if I disagreed, everyone ever would not all agree. Besides, misters Murray, Gers, and Smith all seem to love their strats. I saw a really nice looking... either jaguar or jazzmaster at the store just now, but it was a squier, so I decided against that.

I have been lusting after a Les Paul or SG-shaped guitar, any good ones out there that are good for a price no higher than $500? I don't really know who makes what all that well.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: 2HourHiatus on 13 Feb 2008, 16:18
Nearly everyone can sound interesting with effects. It's really good to learn how to play with a clean tone first, before you get pedals. If you can sound interesting in clean then your set.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Feb 2008, 09:54
Ah, okay. Thanks oxide.

How about he tries guitars out at a store and finds which one he likes best within his price range?

Sure, as long as he then buys a Telecaster.

Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Feb 2008, 10:45
Exactly!
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Lummer on 14 Feb 2008, 11:08
A telecaster will still be practically useless for harder music styles, though. Don't forget that.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Feb 2008, 11:47
Mostly. I saw someone using a tele in the video for Stone the Crow. Least, it looked like it to me, the quality of the video was low.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: a pack of wolves on 14 Feb 2008, 12:03
A telecaster will still be practically useless for harder music styles, though. Don't forget that.

What about Unsane? You don't get much heavier than that.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Lummer on 14 Feb 2008, 12:41
A telecaster will still be practically useless for harder music styles, though. Don't forget that.

What about Unsane? You don't get much heavier than that.

Pickup changes can do wonders, yes. By "Tele" I always mean the wimpy, single-coil equipped model.

EDIT: Having checked out Unsane on Youtube now, it seems like the dude is using a standard tele. However, the low end heaviness is coming from the bass, and the bass alone.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: sean on 14 Feb 2008, 14:34
Yeah, Lummer is right, the bass is doing all the work there. I like the effect the tele sound adds in there though.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: MadassAlex on 14 Feb 2008, 14:53
Lummer is correct - Teles are for wimps, girls and girly wimps.

Humbucker equipped guitars can handle anything from old blues to heavy metal, anyway. I really just do not see the advantage in single coils, ever.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 15:45
The entirety of Led Zeppelin I was written and recorded on a Fender Telecaster.

Just thought you Tele-bashing wankers should all know that.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Lummer on 14 Feb 2008, 15:48
The entirety of Led Zeppelin I was written and recorded on a Fender Telecaster.

Just thought you Tele-bashing wankers should all know that.

True, but Jimmy Page himself said he thought it sounded like a les paul.

that said, the Tele bashing is always a bit tongue-in-cheek on my part. I realise that many people have used them to great effect, but I just find th eguitar dull and uninspiring, as I do with all standard Fenders.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 16:33
Aesthetically? Yes. Tonally? Noooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: MadassAlex on 14 Feb 2008, 16:44
Aesthetically? Yes. Tonally? Noooooooooooooooo

Tele tones don't do much for me. When it comes to Fenders, Strats are the only thing I like. I don't get the response a Strat gives me from a Tele.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 11:36
Lummer is correct - Teles are for wimps, girls and girly wimps.

Humbucker equipped TELECASTERS can handle anything from old blues to heavy metal, anyway. I really just do not see the advantage in single coils, ever.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: bucky_2300 on 15 Feb 2008, 12:24
The best Tele I've ever heard was a Relic one that was about $3000. Lovely bright sound, just sounded "alive" through and through. But most Teles just sound dry and uninspiring to me.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2008, 13:45
Lummer is correct - Teles are for wimps, girls and girly wimps.

Humbucker equipped TELECASTERS can handle anything from old blues to heavy metal, anyway. I really just do not see the advantage in single coils, ever.
Pity the things look like something I might put together in my garage.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 14:34
Well, it was kinda thought up in Leo Fender's garage, so uh..
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 15:19
'The things'? So this takes in all of the various humbuckered Teles, does it?
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2008, 15:47
All that I have seen but one, so yes.

All right, it looks like something I would put together in my garage if I was low on time, there would be much more visual polish otherwise, and I would have some curves on it like the strat does, rather than being completely flat.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 18:16
So you're talking about the Tele's shape, rather than the configuration of the humbucker Teles.

Honestly, it was designed in what, the 1950s? Earlier? Everybody was as square as that guitar in the 1950s. I doubt you'd have come up with anything more radical at the time - and if you had have done, it would've sold fuck all anyway.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: negative creep on 15 Feb 2008, 18:45
Just a few weeks ago I played a gig with my drone/doom/stoner band. I used a Tele (copy) with single coil PUs. I rocked the low end (we don't have a bass player) so god damn hard that half of the audience left the room.

YES, you can do the heavy, low stuff with a "wimpy" Tele.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: sean on 15 Feb 2008, 18:47
What kind of amp were you playing through?
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2008, 19:18
So you're talking about the Tele's shape, rather than the configuration of the humbucker Teles.

Honestly, it was designed in what, the 1950s? Earlier? Everybody was as square as that guitar in the 1950s. I doubt you'd have come up with anything more radical at the time - and if you had have done, it would've sold fuck all anyway.
I don't mind the shape so much as the way it usually ends up looking, with the pickguard (which looks like it has had a piece lopped off), and the electronics. I don't like the look of the body shape of a tele as much as I like the shape of a strat or a les paul, but it isn't bad. Also, single pickup guitars never look good, at least that I have seen, they look like they are missing something.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: sean on 15 Feb 2008, 19:19

I have a '76 strat, and it is awesome. and yes I also have a 1917 gibson acoustic.

YOU! Get to the guitar thread with pictures now! I demand proof!
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2008, 23:46
I feel the whole tele's suck meme is kinda stupid because they are the perfect fucking guitar
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: negative creep on 16 Feb 2008, 08:43
What kind of amp were you playing through?

(http://www.guitarmaniacs.de/html/users/captorange/orange.jpg)
One of these here. Vintage Orange, ca. 1976-78.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Feb 2008, 09:27
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Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Thrillho on 16 Feb 2008, 11:27
What kind of amp were you playing through?

(http://www.guitarmaniacs.de/html/users/captorange/orange.jpg)
One of these here. Vintage Orange, ca. 1976-78.

FUCK YOU.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: sean on 16 Feb 2008, 14:30
First you say you own an Ampeg SVT in that bass thread you started and now you say you own an Orange.

I am fucking jealous of you.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Spluff on 16 Feb 2008, 18:43
Dude, ANYTHING would sound good through an Orange.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: negative creep on 16 Feb 2008, 20:59
I don't own the ampeg! It just happens to be in my garage! It's not mine, I never said that. but it rocks!

The Orange cost me about 1,400 euros. That's about 2,000,000 dollars, right? ebay is your friend!
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: sean on 16 Feb 2008, 21:20
I am sorry Dom! I thought you meant you owned it! Me and my silly assumptions...

Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: negative creep on 16 Feb 2008, 21:28
Noooooo! just said i play it. Still fuckin' nice.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: VanHorneDog on 16 Feb 2008, 23:09
all this talk about telecasters wowza, yall need to chill. its quite obvious i own the best guitar ever made.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: FireAarro on 17 Feb 2008, 03:31
Lummer is correct - Teles are for wimps, girls and girly wimps.

Humbucker equipped guitars can handle anything from old blues to heavy metal, anyway. I really just do not see the advantage in single coils, ever.

Surf?
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: VanHorneDog on 17 Feb 2008, 03:42
depends on what type of humbuckers for surf, im sure if you got some that you could split (into single coil) you could actually do anything.

dont carvin C22s do that?

but those pickups arent that great for much anyway.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: FireAarro on 17 Feb 2008, 03:51
Split humbuckers never really get you the real thing.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 17 Feb 2008, 05:19
Guys just buy a goddamn Eastwood, they're relatively inexpensive, extremely playable, and so versatile that they really are good for everything you could want.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Thrillho on 17 Feb 2008, 06:28
However, I will add to this, most Pink Floyd was also recorded on a tele as far as I know.

Untrue - Syd recorded most of his stuff on an Esquire - essentially a Tele with only one pickup - and while Gilmour did record with Teles quite often, especially in the early days, he used mostly Strats.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 17 Feb 2008, 10:05
See, Pat, problem with that is how I don't know any stores that carry them, and I don't want to buy a guitar that I haven't had a chance to actually play, even if I know the quality for certain, I want to know I like the feel of it.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Adnrew on 17 Feb 2008, 10:58
I started off learning songs that I liked listening too. I don't know any of the notes in the scales that I play, but I know the patterns my fingers move. You don't have to be classicly trained. It helps. I played trumpet since 4th grade (19 now) so I can say a general knowledge of beats and measures and signatures help in the long run.

The easiest thing is to just play. Anything. Even if your just noodling around and playing things that sound like crap. That happens. It always will. Just find scales you like playing and always go back and play along with songs you like listening to. Music should be an organic thing.

Yeah. Just play.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: thebrosef on 18 Feb 2008, 09:58
Hey so I'm thinking of learning the guitar soon too. Everyone tells me I should buy an acoustic guitar first for a variety of reasons, but in all honesty I'd rather be learning to play the electric guitar. Is it really important to get an acoustic first? I understand that I would need an amp for an electric guitar and that it would generally be more complicated than an acoustic (or at least I've been lead to believe that) and I'm not too worried about it.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Nodaisho on 18 Feb 2008, 10:02
Well, I played an acoustic for lessons at school, then I got an electric and started taking private lessons. I have a hard time strumming on an acoustic, I need to work a lot more on my picking technique, the thinner strings on the electric got me lazy, I only remember to hold my pick right when I have to play triplets. I would say, though, that if you have songs you want to learn that are pretty much only electric songs, get an electric, playing songs you like is the most important thing to keep you going.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: FireAarro on 18 Feb 2008, 22:00
Hey so I'm thinking of learning the guitar soon too. Everyone tells me I should buy an acoustic guitar first for a variety of reasons, but in all honesty I'd rather be learning to play the electric guitar. Is it really important to get an acoustic first? I understand that I would need an amp for an electric guitar and that it would generally be more complicated than an acoustic (or at least I've been lead to believe that) and I'm not too worried about it.

Nope, it's not important at all which you start on. Pick the one you'd rather play, because you will play it more. No use picking up an instrument you're not really into.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Patrick on 19 Feb 2008, 01:59
The thing about starting on an acoustic is that the difference in styles between most electric guitar music and most acoustic guitar music is SO VAST that it'd almost be like re-teaching yourself everything. The only thing that remains the same is that you've got fingers on the fretboard and a pick in the other hand.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Spluff on 19 Feb 2008, 02:13
The thing about starting on an acoustic is that the difference in styles between most electric guitar music and most acoustic guitar music is SO VAST that it'd almost be like re-teaching yourself everything. The only thing that remains the same is that you've got fingers on the fretboard and a pick in the other hand.

Wait, what?
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: ledhendrix on 19 Feb 2008, 05:03
Unless its the blues your talking about. Alot of blues riffs can just be taken straight from the acoustic to the electric and vice versa. Although i do agree that there is a rather large difference in what you can play on the different instruments.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: thebrosef on 19 Feb 2008, 09:42
Well what I've been told is that learning on an electric guitar first would build poor habits, and if I end up really liking the guitar (this is a strong possibility) then I would eventually pick up the other kind (acoustic or electric depending on what I start with). I wouldn't want to be set really far back if I were to pick up the acoustic at a later date. Should I be concerned?
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Feb 2008, 09:49
I would always suggest starting on acoustic because it makes your fingers stronger, makes your strumming stronger and it's a lot easier from acoustic to electric than it is going from electric to acoustic. Plus, you're freed up if you want to get creative quicker. There aren't a great deal of classic songs written with just a singer and his heavy metal guitar, but there are thousands of one-man-and-his-strummer.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Feb 2008, 10:01
I'm working on the former. Someone on here commissioned a one man black metal album with a baseball theme.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Spluff on 19 Feb 2008, 21:20
I've honestly never had any problems transferring across from acoustic to electric or vise versa. Unless your trying to, say, sweep or shred on an acoustic - but if you're just starting that won't be a problem for a long long time (if ever).
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Feb 2008, 09:17
Lucky for some, but playing acoustic and playing electric are very different things. Sometimes having an instinct for it means you don't notice the differences and nuances when you do it, but they really are different.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Dinosaurs have souls? on 20 Feb 2008, 23:39
Guys just buy a goddamn Eastwood, they're relatively inexpensive, extremely playable, and so versatile that they really are good for everything you could want.

I used to own an old Mosrite copy by Eastwood, and that was a damn fine guitar. P-90s and a Bigsby tremolo = badass.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: ad0wrc on 21 Feb 2008, 06:54
I learned on an acoustic. Bought a $150 Washburn off musiciansfriend.com and was pleasantly surprised -- I just wanted something to beat to hell, but the tone was very clean.

I'm more of a rhythm guitarist than a soloist anyway, so acoustic works for me. I just taught myself basic chords and hacked my way through my favorite songs (which, lucky for me, are simple progressions like G - C - D). Not exactly the most difficult stuff in the world, but it kept me playing. Trust me, the novelty of "Hey, I can play a song!" doesn't wear off.

Do whatever you need to do to keep practicing, everyday.

Theory? Yeah, I guess I should work on that. I can pick up notes and keys by ear now, so I'm trying to train myself to pay more attention. Maybe I'll go browse amazon...
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: sean on 21 Feb 2008, 16:15
Learn on a Bass VI.

I triple dog dare you.

I realize this is a terrible breach of daring etiquite, but I must emphasis this.
Title: Re: Learning to Play Guitar
Post by: Lummer on 21 Feb 2008, 16:28
Learn on an Ibanez RG2228 8-string, or a Chapman Stick. If you don't, you lose...