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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Caspian on 09 Mar 2008, 20:22
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It seems that a few people (myself included) were disappointed that the other feedback thread wasn't actually about guitar feedback.
So with this in mind, I have decided to create a topic about guitar feedback. This is that topic.
Basically, I like feedback a great deal. You have the feedback/sustain deal that a lot of drone has (The last seven minutes of Sunn O)))'s 'Hell-O)))-Ween') being a prime example. This is probably my favourite kind of feedback, as it basically just extends the note for ages without adding any harmonies, it's great stuff.
I'm a fan of most other sorts of feedback, too, and even the oft-maligned 'really really high pitched screechy feedback' sounds good in various noise,industrial and metal bands. It's not a lot of fun in real life, though. Obviously the typical, 'high pitched harmonic' feeding back thing sounds terrific too, especcially when you know your guitar and amp well enough to be able to get exactly the sort of sustained tones that you want.
So. Feedback is really good? Discuss feedback here, songs with good feedback in them, and how you fare with producing feedback on your own guitar/bass/violin/piano (If someone has made a piano feedback I will be VERY impressed)/xylophone/saxophone.
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mixer feedback ftw!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tl8IMc-8-N8
I'm also a big fan of bass feedback... if you've got a nice amp it can really make you queasy!
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The distortion pedals I use for my amplifier are a Behringer VT999 tube monster and a Boss OS/2 Overdrive/Distortion. Used in conjunction, I can get some pretty rad, controllable feedback with it. One of the tricks that I discovered a few months ago was to put my guitar's pickups near the soundhole of my acoustic guitar, turning my feedback into a hollow-sounding "whoooooo" feedback.
This is probably a contributing factor to my faint yet now-noticeable tinnitus...
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My absolute favorite feedback is when you find the sweet spot in front of a cranked amplifier and every note you sustain decays into feedback on the fundamental and/or harmonics of that note. Suddenly a four-note solo turns into this huge, aching , crushing melody.
Pity you can only pull this off if ur rig iz at 11s.
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Feedback is 100% better if you're doing it w/ amp Vibrato and a phaser
plus being drunk helps
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My absolute favorite feedback is when you find the sweet spot in front of a cranked amplifier and every note you sustain decays into feedback on the fundamental and/or harmonics of that note. Suddenly a four-note solo turns into this huge, aching , crushing melody.
Pity you can only pull this off if ur rig iz at 11s.
That's pretty much what I meant w/ the Sunn O))) reference.
Having said that, a good way to do it at a low volume is by a cheap behringer sustainer/compressor pedal. You wouldn't really want to use it for anything else, but you do epic feedback, even on a clean channel, at really low volume levels.
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I never really got my head around using guitar feedback, and I probably never will.
If I'm playing a ROKK solo, I can use it to sustain notes like Jeph said, but other than that it's pretty useless to me.
I mean, if you have a guitar with decent natural sustain, the feedback shouldn't even be that necessary IMO.
I even go so far as to using a noise gate if I play with a lot of gain. HA!
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mixer feedback ftw!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tl8IMc-8-N8
I'm also a big fan of bass feedback... if you've got a nice amp it can really make you queasy!
I studied a bit of Nakamura's NIMB at uni 2 years ago, he gets some beautiful sounds.
Feedback is so much easier with single coils.
Also feedback plus a trem pedal yields some fun results.
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Feedback is really fun! If you control it well (and this is why I want a widebody semihollow + buckers like a 335 or Sheraton, guys, I am telling you!) you can not only sustain well, but if you get the sucker to feed back enough, you can get a nice crescendo effect that just plays 5ths above what you're actually playing.
That's a fun effect right there. If you really stay on top of it and don't let things get too far, you can play 5ths when just using one string. My friend's Sheraton is the most fun thing to fuck around with, oh my goddddddddd
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I piss off my family with feedback. :lol:
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Mmmm feeedback.
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SHAMELESS PLUG
I really like the feedback I got on the live version of "Untitled B1" on my band's Myspace page:
http://www.myspace.com/lrhsw
END SHAMELESS PLUG
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Okay that is it I am going to steal my friend's Sheraton.
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Shane,
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Okay that is it I am going to steal my friend's Sheraton.
Yes, this
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Shane,
Hey, thanks for playing my stuff on your show. I ended up getting quite a few hits that day.
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Oh nice, I'm glad to hear it!
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AHEM WE HAVE STRAYED FROM THE TOPIC OF FEEDBACK
It is pretty loud.
Also: FUCK YEAH 5000
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I love feedback. All my songs end by dissolving into feedback. In fact, if any of you guys want to hear it, I did one song where the last minute and a half was just a collage of feedback on top of feedback on top of a recording error on top of piano.
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AHEM WE HAVE STRAYED FROM THE TOPIC OF FEEDBACK
DOG WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MY MOSTLY-FEEDBACK RECORDINGS.
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Also, Metal Machine Music
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(ps: guys, when I did "Cool Air", there was a bit where I actually just laid the guitar on the amp, let it feed back, and went downstairs for a glass of water)
True story!
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My friend and bandmate and I used the high-pitched squeally type in the beginning of our song "During the Storm of the Thousand Legion Army the Obsolete Caress, Death, While King Larentus Drives His Sword Into the Basilisk of Sarsitia". Yeah, we name our songs nonsense like that sometimes.
www.myspace.com/deathtakesitstollonthemasses if you're interested.
Seriously, in a not-a-shameless-plug way, I pretty much agree with the topic. Feedback, used right, can be AWESOME.
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(ps: guys, when I did "Cool Air", there was a bit where I actually just laid the guitar on the amp, let it feed back, and went downstairs for a glass of water)
I will do this at a gig someday. I will just be like "Alright guys take it for a second" and hold the chord with one hand, have a roadie give me a beer and take a couple of hearty swigs (or just down the fucker really fast, I'm good at that if it's a decent pils), and then continue rocking the fuck out.
That will be the entire guitar solo.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Metal_machine_music.jpg)!
(yes, I realize that someone already mentioned it but it works with the other feedback thread jeez)
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Last time we played a gig, at the end, after about 5 minutes of screwing around with my delay pedal (you know, "feedback" to max and delay time almost at 0, then manipulate the delay time), i just took my guitar, held it above my head and turned around to my amp, standing like that for about 2 minutes. It was awsome!
To bad we didn't record it. Here's an old live recording: http://www.myspace.com/freudeundideen not as much feedback as usual, though.
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Standing strategically in front of your amplifier + holding a chord + striking the strings with a drumstick + feedback = Oh fuck yes
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I came.
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Standing strategically in front of your amplifier + holding a chord + striking the strings with a drumstick + feedback = Oh fuck yes
Ah, the ringing bell method. I do love that one.
Once - and this is another 'wish I recorded it' moment - I set everything on my amp to full, and found a preset on this old FX pedal that had a panning effect and left my guitar feeding back. This meant I had a kind of walking feedback in rhythm. I went to the other room, found the feedback's note on my organ, and set the organ playing itself as well. And then I stood and played acoustic guitar in the doorway between the two rooms. I did this for about half an hour. It was fucking epic and I really wish I'd recorded it.
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That is exactly why I want to get a flanger pedal.
I really like being able to control the pitch of my feedback with my Vox wah when I crank the gain on my amp, stick the guitar in front, and have it running directly from guitar-wah-input instead of going through the effects loop. When you have wah engaged, you can fuck with the pedal and control the pitch (even if it's a bit erratic and really touchy).
Really fun for doing Morello-style screechy shit, but it definitely is nowhere near the same as just plain getting a whammy pedal. Which I want so bad oh my godddddddddderguisehuirgnsejirgim
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ok... try producing feedback by actually touching the headstock of your guitar to the speaker cabinet... nothing better than direct, physical contact! produces more fundamental notes than higher-order harmonics tho...
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you want some feedback fun that'll piss off everyone you live with or near? Well sometimes I'll do this for hours, or till someone tells me to quit, just lean your guitar against your amp in an open tuning, or not, I just prefer the open tuning, and go nuts twisting knobs on your effect pedals. I particularly like delays, wah, phasers, flangers, chorus, and my digitech synth wah that is good for basically nothing else. You can also make some fun noise makers if you get into circuit bending, which basically just involves opening up old pedals and stuff you don't care about and touching a wire to different points on the board until you get a cool sound, then you sauter the bitch on and stick a knob or switch in it. Good times had by me, but probably not my room mates.
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Delays are fun no matter what you do with them. IM IN UR MUSIC, FUCKIN AROUND WIT UR DELAY TIEM, BITCHEZ
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Also, it's not technically feedback, but you can get a nice scream by plugging backwards thru yr wah
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=E-DXwxKlE2I (http://youtube.com/watch?v=E-DXwxKlE2I)
This man is jesus at feedback.
Shame none of my friends like him.... or anyone else....
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I'm threadjacking a little here: Have you ever seen Ichirou Agata play? His use of effects live is unbelievable. Too bad I can't stand noise rock because he's quite talented, it just makes my ears bleed.
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This man is jesus at feedback.
This man also has a Mustang sitting on a stand. Win!
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Also, it's not technically feedback, but you can get a nice scream by plugging backwards thru yr wah
Ah, the old Gilmour trick/mistake.
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Also, I've got an eh 2880 looper, so it's great to make a loop that's 90% feedback, then goof around with the tempo to change the pitch of it, and keep reversing it right where it stops so you can stop/start it.
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At my band's latest show, I put on my guitar and she started squealing in the most adorable, kickass way.
The sound guy said, "If you put down the treble, you won't get that feedback."
"...But I WANT that feedback, Mr. Sound Guy!"
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I was engineering a little gig a month ago, and one of the guitars started howling.
I was digging it, but the owner was frowning. And when this lady frowns, you do what you have to to change the situation.
Did I mention that the owner is notorious for stabbing her husband to death?
Needless to say, I cut a lot of treble.
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Standing strategically in front of your amplifier + holding a chord + striking the strings with a drumstick + feedback = Oh fuck yes
Ah, the ringing bell method. I do love that one.
Once - and this is another 'wish I recorded it' moment - I set everything on my amp to full, and found a preset on this old FX pedal that had a panning effect and left my guitar feeding back. This meant I had a kind of walking feedback in rhythm. I went to the other room, found the feedback's note on my organ, and set the organ playing itself as well. And then I stood and played acoustic guitar in the doorway between the two rooms. I did this for about half an hour. It was fucking epic and I really wish I'd recorded it.
I do that fairly often, but it's normally with a keyboard set to heaps of patches all at once connected to my computer speakers and my guitar feeding back with some acoustic and harmonica action. Once I got really stoned and did it for an hour- an recorded it. Sounded cool but unfortunately the acoustic wasn't really audible over the drone guitar and keyboard noise, and the harmonica had the same problem. I'll do it again soon with a better microphone.
Also: Must try that wah trick sometime.
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As far as bands that use feedback to wonderful effect, Tarentel from their album 'We Move Through Weather' onward have done some of the most amazing guitar manipulations and finaglings I have had the pleasure to hear. Truly amazing, semi-improvised awesomeness. Guitars in this band almost never sound anything like guitars and they absolutely love feedback and distorting feedback and the like. Well worth listening to for anyone interested in this kind of stuff.
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I borrowed my friend's Sheraton for a gig last night. I still have it and will probably have it a good part of this week. Oh FUCK yes doesn't even start to cover it.
It really is a shame my laptop had to die on me like it did, because oh my god it will be so fun to stick a mic in the hallway and just fuck around with feedback and effects all day. I am going to be rocking the Ted Leo like a motherfucker.