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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: squawk on 01 Apr 2008, 19:22
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I am in high school, right? In high school, people listen to music. Sometimes this music is really bad, because they are just learning. Sometimes, kids who lack exposure to other things settle on bands such as Nickelback.
So, I know one of these kids, and I don't think he's a bad guy. He is very intelligent and also is a classically-trained pianist, so he enjoys Rachmaninoff and Chopin and is pretty open-minded. But when it comes to modern music, I don't think he has had anyone to help him along, so his favorite band list goes something like this, according to his Myspace: "breaking benjamin, the almost, hinder, mcr, three days grace, nickelback, jet, paramore, and much much more!"
He desperately needs help. As a gigantic music nerd/record store owner without a record store, I feel it is my duty to show him the light. Or hear it, whatever. But I am at a loss for where to start!
This is where I ask Internet. How do you wean someone off Nickelback before it is too late.
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This is tough because Nickelback is so far off the right track it's not even funny.
Umm. Maybe try Franz Ferdinand, then Modest Mouse and the Pixies, then Spoon? I dunno, that worked for me. A swift kick to the balls would be a safer bet, though.
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Just start showing him music from better bands, when you mentions that he likes something that you send to him talk about it with him, being a music geek I'm sure he'd love to have a conversation about all the musical aspects of the songs (I know I do). I don't think you'll be able to convince him that Nickelback is bad right up front, so don't try, he'll probably get offended and not wish to listen to your music. Instead you just have to show him better music and he should slowly see the light.
Well, at least that's how it worked for me, and I used to like Sum 41.
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Find some hard rock artists that are in a similar vein but, yknow, not shit, and just continue from there.
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I remember I think it was Brian Posehn doing a show, and he said something about all those social cons being right, about how listening to the wrong kind of music will make kids want to kill people. He illustrated this point, naturally, by saying that listening to Nickelback's music makes him want to kill Nickelback.
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My friend Mike made this a while back. I thought it was pretty excellent.
(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa100/xholycrapitsmattx/Nickelback.jpg)
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My Girlfriend listened to Nickelback, and three days grace...
Playing my Indie music around her when ever I could fixed that in about a month.
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I used to listen to that kind of stuff, though I never did like Nickelback. I think it's just one of those stages you have to outgrow, like when I listened to boy bands and that kind of thing. It will pass with time.
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Perhaps, just perhaps, he actually likes that music and you don't need to "enlighten him" as to what "real music is".
I'm just sayin'. Does it matter that much?
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Five years from now, it will be "cool" for every scenester to have at least one friend who listens to "bad music".
EDIT: Also, when I was a kid I listened to Phil Collins. Nobody had to shame me out of it in order for me to stop doing it. Listening to Phil Collins didn't jeapordise my immortal soul. Now I'm grown up and I think I've turned out okay!
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Just stop being friends with him. Any if he tries to talk to you you should spit in his face. If you see him across the road you can throw things at him if you like.
Seriously this is stupid. Why do you feel like you have to "educate" the dude just because he likes a band that you don't? Yeah Nickelback are shit but some people really like bland music. Trying to "enlighten" your so called friend to listen to your music is basically a dick move. Don't get me wrong, totally share your music with him but if you're only doing it because you can't be friends with someone who likes Nickelback then you're basically an elitist prick.
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I never said that I couldn't be friends with him. (I think. I'll have to re-read it.) And he can still like Nickelback if he wants to, but really my hobby is just throwing music at people because I think they'll enjoy it and it's fun for me, too.
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Well you're opening post comes across as preachy, arrogant and generally unpleasent. If you're just wanting to share music with the guy then go for it but trying to change his opinions in the hope that you won't have a friend with such a woeful taste in music is kinda dumb.
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Perhaps, just perhaps, he actually likes that music and you don't need to "enlighten him" as to what "real music is".
I'm just sayin'. Does it matter that much?
Generally? No.
Nickelback? Yes.
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Yeah Jimmy I admit that, this is the first topic I've ever started so I guess I just formatted it like that... uh yeah.
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Sometimes I find myself thinking this exact same thing, but I used to listen to Creed in high school. I don't anymore, and I didn't have anyone show me "good" music. So, either I got lucky, or it's just a phase.
Sharing music is fun (heck, it's one of the main reasons I really got into music), so go for it. But I've found that most people get real defensive if they feel even a little bit that their taste is being challenged. Do it tactfully and he'll appreciate it. Do it untactfully, and he might just go the opposite way.
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I guess I just take offense to the heavily implied notion in the OP that it is simply not possible to genuinely enjoy a band - yes, even Nickelback - because you "haven't been exposed to anything better", as though there exist bands that simply are not good ever because there are other bands doing the exact same thing only better. I can think of more obscure bands that sound like Nickelback, but I don't find them any more aurally appealing.
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i'd just say
"hey, at least it ain't the monkees"
quite a dilemma you are in, i wouldn't know how to deal with it
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I can think of more obscure bands that sound like Nickelback, but I don't find them any more aurally appealing.
Right, the sound of Nickelback is physically offensive.
To some degree this is where the Monkees argument, so to speak, fails. Their music was unoriginal, derivative, &c., but it was not nauseatingly terrible.
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zero, you're right. It's a silly thing to believe, but if you're around someone enough who listens to music you don't enjoy, then it's understandable to get them into some music you can both enjoy, right? Maybe the OP is just tired of listening to uninteresting music when they're with this friend. That makes some sense, no?
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Er, I guess? I only listen to music with three of my many real-life friends on any kind of regular basis, and we all like so many bands from so many genres and decades that rarely is it an issue.
Most of my friends, I hang out with either at shows or in bars and the music isn't something we're choosing, jukeboxes notwithstanding.
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Right, but if all they ever listen to is Nickleback, Hinder, etc. I can see how it would get old. The point, unless I'm mistaken, was that the friends doesn't listen to much music (and that the OP hates Nickleback). That's something that isn't offensive to try to change, I would say.
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It's not offensive to try to extend the range of music someone listens to. It is offensive to have them listen to other music in an attempt to make them think their own taste in music is shit.
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Yeah. I never insult people's music tastes in front of them, because that's dumb and they'd just beat me up anyway.
If, though, he starts liking some different bands, there's always the chance that he'll realize that "oh wait ew Nickelback." Possibly not, of course, but anyway guys this is basically just a poorly-executed recommendation thread with some sort of twist just start listing off some bands that'd be accessible okay
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Daydream Nation is what started me off. Then again, that was the first album I ever owned. I wasn't really into music for most of my life. But yeah, try Sonic Youth.
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I'm just asking for punishment, but what do my (current) top 10 rated tracks in Rhapsody say about me?
1. No Rain (Blind Melon)
2. Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger (Daft Punk)
3. If you could read my mind (Gordon Lightfoot)
4. Flood (Jars of Clay)
5. Drifting (Enya)
6. Stairway to Heaven (London Symphony Orchestra) (I like the original, too, but it's not on Rhapsody (pathetic), so I bought the CD)
7. After The Gold Rush (Dolly Parton) (This particular song isn't country, honest)
8. Faint (Linkin Park)
9. When You're Alone (John Williams, "Hook" soundtrack)
10. Seven Nation Army (White Stripes)
Weird list. Some of these I haven't listened to for a while. I think its weighted by a combination of recentness and number of plays, or something.
As for Nickleback, it isn't too bad if you like the same song permutated into "new" songs far too many times. In other words, it's very bad.
Okay, I've only heard two of their songs that I recall, and I genuinely wondered if the second one wasn't "This is how you remind me" for the first two minutes of the song.
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If somebody tells me they listen to Nickelback and they ask for recommendations, I usually say Creed or Puddle of Mudd and laugh a good, hearty guffaw when they thank me.
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This is a pretty silly thread.
I don't think the author of this thread is trying to broaden his/her musical horizon as much as telling him/her indirectly that his/her music sucks. There is no light to be shown, there is no right music. What the fuck guys.
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There is such a thing as bad music.
I mean, there is a difference between someone not liking death metal and just a fucking bad death metal song.
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This is a pretty silly thread.
I don't think the author of this thread is trying to broaden his/her musical horizon as much as telling him/her indirectly that his/her music sucks. There is no light to be shown, there is no right music. What the fuck guys.
Oh man, and I can't say anything to you here, because it'd be hypocritical of me (I still think that whole thing can suck my cock, to whom it may concern).
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There is such a thing as bad music.
I mean, there is a difference between someone not liking death metal and just a fucking bad death metal song.
Apparently some people actually like Cannibal Corpse.
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I firmly believe that everyone needs to listen to Clutch.
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There's nothing wrong with playing people music you think they might like. This person obviously likes catchy rock music, so I'd play them Big Star - #1 Record, The Ergs - Dorkrockcorkrod, Alkaline Trio - Goddamnit, Sleater-Kinney - All Hands On The Bad One and Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain. They may well enjoy them.
Alternatively, ignore everything they like get them a copy of Time Won't Heal This by Knuckledust (and a wifebeater vest to go with it).
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A swift kick to the balls would be a safer bet, though.
Oh, man. That’s exactly that my first reaction was, too. Two votes for a kick to the nuts.
Sersiously, though? Um, well, he obviously like his "modern" music as bland as possible. Maybe use some Braff rock as a gateway to decent indie?
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I recall when I was a lot, lot younger, specific folks in my life gave me a jovial kick in the bottom regarding the bands I was listening to and a bunch of artists to check out. I am grateful to this day for the actions of these people. They are indirectly responsible for me eventually finding the music, culture and people I most closely associate myself with. Had they been prevented from doing so by some over-protective sense of misguided etiquette, I would not be the person I am today.
Ah, but would that other you have grown up to be miserable because of his musical taste? Or would he have grown just as musically content, within his own degree of experience, as you are now? You can't apply received wisdom to a hypothetical situation in which that wisdom is never received.
(I'm trying to side-track this thread into a philosophical discussion of questions of identity. Work with me, guys.)
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Possibly.
Shit-music Tommy would've grown up to be a bored individual and would probably just masturbate to yaoi all day. Good music, however, has kept him from degenerating into such a person!
THIS IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE ALTERNATE-UNIVERSE SCENARIO
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Saying that "shit music" will affect the personality of a person is pretty ridiculous. A kind person is a kind person whether they listen to bad music or not. It will affect their mood though, which could change how they react to people. For example, a teenager who listens to hormonal screams in their music is more likely to feel sad all the time, whereas a teenager who listens to upbeat pop music might have a bounce in their step and a smile on their face.
Both of these examples could actually be the same person on a different day. I know I have albums that, when I am playing, make it impossible to be sad. I also have albums that make me sob uncontrollably. Whether or not this is due to nostalgia or me attaching them to painful memories is debatable, but I certainly didn't have either of those factors when I was in my angsty early teens.
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I am checking stuff out of theirs on Youtube and do not find it anywhere near as offensive as you all make it out to be.
I think that this is maybe why I don't usually visit this forum much.
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Well, that's the thing. Bands like Nickelback are usually only offensive in how utterly dull and uninteresting they are.
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Frankly, I find that worse. I know it's somewhat cliche, but I'd rather listen to something that's an utter trainwreck than something that's totally insipid. Complete failures are sometimes interesting; mediocrity never is.
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Find some hard rock artists that are in a similar vein but, yknow, not shit, and just continue from there.
BORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS.
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Frankly, I find that worse. I know it's somewhat cliche, but I'd rather listen to something that's an utter trainwreck than something that's totally insipid. Complete failures are sometimes interesting; mediocrity never is.
Yeah, absolutely. A band that arouses no emotion in me whatsoever fails harder than a band that's at least exciting enough for me to go out of my way to hate.
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Complete (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukjnrXTTvPY)
Yes, exactly.
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I know it's somewhat cliche, but I'd rather listen to something that's an utter trainwreck
Guys, look! I found another Ramones fan!
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Frankly, I find that worse. I know it's somewhat cliche, but I'd rather listen to something that's an utter trainwreck than something that's totally insipid. Complete failures are sometimes interesting; mediocrity never is.
This. I would much rather listen to something that is an aural assault, rather than a total bore. My friends don't seem to understand why I hate We The Kings but I can listen to Drive Like Jehu.
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I know it's somewhat cliche, but I'd rather listen to something that's an utter trainwreck
Guys, look! I found another Ramones fan!
i lol'd.
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I don’t have any Ramones records. For me, loud guitars + leather jacket + mid-70s NYC = Metal Machine Music.
... which demonstrates my point, I think.
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Apparently some people actually like Cannibal Corpse.
Cannibal Corpse have sold over a million albums.
Think about that for a minute.
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Complete (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukjnrXTTvPY)
Yes, exactly.
I find this song to be kinda boring, more so than the stuff from Nickelback.
But then perhaps I am merely crazy.
Also, this (I like a lot): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEaln4gqsXU
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DOT DOT DOT
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Nickelback is so far off the right track it's not even funny.
I disagree. I think Nickelback and all the bands mentioned in the OP basically took good music and diluted it down to appeal to the lowest common denominator. It shouldn't be hard to introduce someone who listens to it to good stuff. I can't imagine anyone who listens to Nickelback and Jet who wouldn't like, for example, Buffalo Tom and Mclusky.
Which also ties in to the issue of whether it's cool to 'educate' people on good music. There's definitely a difference between saying "You're taste sucks, I'm going to fix it" and saying "Hey if you like this, you should check out THIS, because they do the same kind of thing, but much better". As long as you stay on the right side of that boundary, there's nothing wrong with introducing people to music.
Edited for atrocious grammar
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Apparently some people actually like Cannibal Corpse.
Cannibal Corpse have sold over a million albums.
Think about that for a minute.
By that logic, my EP should be FLYING off the e-shelves.
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Just wait a couple months man you'll have another sale then.
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Or I could keep bugging Malorie to buy more.
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Hey my name is Malorie. And seeing as you haven't been bugging me to buy anything I can only assume there is an IMPOSTER.
Anyway, EP. didn't know you had one. Rad.
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There is such a thing as bad music.
I mean, there is a difference between someone not liking death metal and just a fucking bad death metal song.
I'm not saying there isn't, I'm saying there's no right or wrong kind of music. A lot of people listen to bad music. Let them.
Tommy>> I wasn't trying to twist squawk's words. Here's what the person said: "He desperately needs help... I feel it is my duty to show him the light,...How do you wean someone off Nickelback before it is too late?" I see the certain amount of jollyness included in this post, and it's obvious that he's not trying to be a jerk here, but squawk IS saying "How do I convert this guy?" Answer is, you don't. Nickelback is "right" in some circles, "wrong" in others and I know that we all once listened to something different than we do now and that there probably was someone who helped pave the way, but that's how it is with everything! Your music taste doesn't change for the better, it just changes and that's the same with books, movies, girls, internet comics and so on. If he was just suggesting "Hey, this band is good! Take a listen, whydontya?" in stead of saying "Hey, your music is crap. Listen to something else." I would have no problem at all.
Edit: Crap, karl already said it.
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Anyway, EP. didn't know you had one. Rad.
www.myspace.com/vpnoise
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Hey my name is Malorie. And seeing as you haven't been bugging me to buy anything I can only assume there is an IMPOSTER.
Anyway, EP. didn't know you had one. Rad.
YOU, PERSON ALSO CALLED MALORIE. BUY MY EP!
If you like sheer noisedom (and Roddy-reading..dom), BUY IT TWICE.
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www.myspace.com/vpnoise
Oh Patrick, nobody actually goes to links in people's signatures. I think I've had exactly one person ever "discover" my band by following my personal myspace to my band's.
And my band is fucking awesome!
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That's why it's also the little link under my avatar!
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Nah zerodrone's right nobody ever goes to those, it's the exact same case with me.
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This thread makes me smile, because it is true: real friends do not let their friends listen to Nickelback (or Creed (or some other bands that fall under this blanket)) because they want their friends to hear beautiful music!
"I was born wearing pants. Be prepared"
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Her tone was light because she is posting on a forum where most of the people responding know her well enough to distinguish humourous intent.
Dude I have no clue who this "squawk" person is and I've been here what, over a year?
One should never make such assumptions on forums. It is always best to hedge your bets.
(Says the person who makes ridiculous nonsense posts when something pisses him off in the assumption people will "get" it. Hypocrisy is the new irony.)
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Anna owns a badass Danelectro U2 reissue. That's reason enough for me to think of her as "pretty awesome".
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Yeah but she stickered it. GET THE TORCH
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Yeah but she stickered it. GET THE TORCH
What is yr problem with guitars, dude? You know, sometimes it'll play better if it's *not* factory.
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You've never seen his Squier, have you.
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What, you mean this one?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2613.jpg)
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Seriously there should be a sticky at the top of the forum containing real names and short relevant pieces of information about everyone because I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOUR DAMN NAMES (except the obvious ones) and I know the quiki exists but that is effort and eff that ess.
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You've never seen his Squier, have you.
I'm pretty sure he's the same guy who went apeshit about filing saddles and using 4000 grit sanding cloths to smooth the back of a guitar's neck, i.e., standard set up procedure in any good shop.
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It just makes me cringe mightily, is all, and is something to consider when you're hacking away at shit that could probably easily be fixed by other means.
Now, what made me go apeshit? Sonic Youth's complete disrespect for instruments in general. Seriously who let them do that.
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It's even worse when rock stars actually smash high quality, high price instruments. I mean, at least pull a Zakk Wylde and throw it into the crowd if you're that set on being rid of it. Jesus fuck.
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There is a difference between what Sonic Youth did and what Pete Townsend does.
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It just makes me cringe mightily, is all, and is something to consider when you're hacking away at shit that could probably easily be fixed by other means.
As I said, filing saddles and using superfine sanding cloths on the neck are standard procedure in any worthwhile shop. Do you know how to make a guitar nut? Do you know that replacing the nut is as unusual as replacing the strings?
There's no defacement involved in setting up a guitar; filing the saddles on a Jag is the same as putting new tires on a Jag.
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I've made a guitar nut (for the Squier pictured). And I've never seen why you would need to do superfine-grit sanding on a neck. Every neck I've ever played on had just the standard-fare unsanded neck and I've been just fine. And removing burrs from a saddle is one thing. Deepening grooves on a multi-groove saddle? Quite another!
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I firmly believe that everyone needs to listen to Clutch.
I firmly agree.
Alex, I think the problem with that idea is how there are probably a couple broken bones (at least) every time Wylde throws a guitar into the audience, what with the drunks fighting over it. Whoever had it could hit people with it when they try to take it, but they might break it.
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And I've never seen why you would need to do superfine-grit sanding on a neck. Every neck I've ever played on had just the standard-fare unsanded neck and I've been just fine.
Exactly. Most necks are acceptable, but once you sand it smoother than silk it will actually caress your skin and beg you to touch it. You will doubt you're holding a guitar. It makes moving up the next drastically easier while not letting yr hand slip when you hold position.
Keep in mind, I'm not talking about some 220 grit you can buy at Lowe's. I generally start at 800 grit and work my way up to 6000. I've done it on all my guitars, from my hundred dollar SX to my '59 Gibson, and it's improved them all.
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Alex, I think the problem with that idea is how there are probably a couple broken bones (at least) every time Wylde throws a guitar into the audience, what with the drunks fighting over it. Whoever had it could hit people with it when they try to take it, but they might break it.
Bones heal, guitars don't. ;_;
(Seriously if some drunk fuck wants to fight over a guitar that's his choice, but that's no reason to damage a finely made instrument)
In any case, I think it would be better if musicians in general did not destroy instruments.
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Guitar nerds are so tiresome.
You guys make me want to go out and smash my guitar.
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There used to be a notice in the DJ both at my alma mater's radio station. It was the standard "don't say the following words on the air..." Well, being a college station full of good humored djs, everyone wrote other words on the list - usually they were things like "George W" or "nucluar" or something like that. It was most humorous to read. But one of my all time favorite words added on to that list....Nickelback. :mrgreen:
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Guitar nerds are so tiresome.
You guys make me want to go out and smash my guitar.
But I don't think these guys know who Razormbeck is.
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Keep in mind, I'm not talking about some 220 grit you can buy at Lowe's. I generally start at 800 grit and work my way up to 6000. I've done it on all my guitars, from my hundred dollar SX to my '59 Gibson, and it's improved them all.
No, I'm aware of what 6000-grit sandpaper is, what it looks and feels like. My old man is restoring an old airplane ('57 Bellanca Cruisemaster) and has tons of the stuff. I'm just saying, I really don't feel like refinishing my neck if somebody fucks up. I especially don't want to be the guy who does the fucking up.
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I don't know much about Sonic Youth, but didn't they use prepared guitars? That just means sticking knitting needles and screwdrivers and so forth under the strings or through the strings, attaching alligator clips, paperclips etc, or playing the guitar with unusual objects (I know Zappa used a dismembered dolls leg from time to time). You can get through a lot of strings, but it isn't exactly destroying the guitar. It's also, in my opinion anyway, a good deal more interesting that Yngwie Malmsteen style masturbation.
Unlike say, various people who have just recorded themselves drilling holes in guitars, and other things.
Though, really, at the end of the day, most guitars are produced on a production line. It's not like burning a Stradivarius. You might as well get all weepy about people blowing up cars to make action movies.
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They used prepared guitars but also used techniques like rubbing a guitar against the floor which left the instruments sometimes a bit less than in vintage state (http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr75c.jpg)
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My feelings exactly.
Play it, break it, fix it, play it some more.
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They used prepared guitars but also used techniques like rubbing a guitar against the floor which left the instruments sometimes a bit less than in vintage state (http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr75c.jpg)
There is nothing sexier in guitar land than a well-bashed Jazzmaster.
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Keep in mind, I'm not talking about some 220 grit you can buy at Lowe's. I generally start at 800 grit and work my way up to 6000. I've done it on all my guitars, from my hundred dollar SX to my '59 Gibson, and it's improved them all.
No, I'm aware of what 6000-grit sandpaper is, what it looks and feels like. My old man is restoring an old airplane ('57 Bellanca Cruisemaster) and has tons of the stuff. I'm just saying, I really don't feel like refinishing my neck if somebody fucks up. I especially don't want to be the guy who does the fucking up.
And you trust yourself to change strings?
This isn't refinishing a guitar. It's much less harmful than oiling the fingerboard, even. You'd have to spend hours to strip an inch, if you spend ten minutes on the whole neck you'll just be amazed at how much better the thing plays.
And the Sonic Youth do kill guitars. Not in the Pete Townshend sense, but screwdrivers and having Kim walk over it does tend to make the things age faster. Of course, they didn't steal their own van. :(
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They used prepared guitars but also used techniques like rubbing a guitar against the floor which left the instruments sometimes a bit less than in vintage state (http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr75c.jpg)
There is nothing sexier in guitar land than a well-bashed ANY FENDER BUT ONE THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD AND LOOKED LIKE NEW WHEN THEY GOT IT
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They used prepared guitars but also used techniques like rubbing a guitar against the floor which left the instruments sometimes a bit less than in vintage state (http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr75c.jpg)
That looks totally bad ass. I'm with Tommy and Veep.
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I don't see the problem. Guitars are there to be used.
I agree but I also think that literally destorying a guitar is a dick move. It's like "Hey, check this shit out, we have so much money we can just buy another one!"
As a reasonably poor musician, that kinda irks me.
Plus, some guitars should be preserved because you just can't find them anymore. I have been searching for years on eBay and every other site imaginable for the exact 1960s Silvertone that I used to have (until the band's practice room caught on fire) and I simply cannot find one. And it had the best tone I've ever gotten from a guitar.
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I don't see the problem. Guitars are there to be used.
I agree but I also think that literally destorying a guitar is a dick move. It's like "Hey, check this shit out, we have so much money we can just buy another one!"
Wasn't it Rites of Spring who had to break up for good because they smashed their last instruments at their last show, and didn't wanna be the first a cappella hardcore group?
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I don't see the problem. Guitars are there to be used.
I agree but I also think that literally destorying a guitar is a dick move. It's like "Hey, check this shit out, we have so much money we can just buy another one!"
I don't think they thought of it that way. Maybe a lot of the people in the "classic rock" vein thought that way, but I don't think Sonic Youth did.
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I wasn't talking about Sonic Youth; to my knowledge, Sonic Youth rarely or never actually smashed their guitars to bits onstage (like, say, ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead used to).
I have no problem at all with what SY do to their instruments.
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In another vein, I think it is perfectly acceptible to smash somebody else's instruments onstage. Hendrix at the Monterey Pop Festival, anyone? Bonus TRU ROKK points for fire and more bonus points for humping a burning object into your speaker cab.
Hey Khar you still awake?
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Though, really, at the end of the day, most guitars are produced on a production line. It's not like burning a Stradivarius. You might as well get all weepy about people blowing up cars to make action movies.
A guitar is a vehicle of artwork; a car is a vehicle of glorified pedestrians.
Plus, when have you ever seen an actually fantastic guitarist destroy a good guitar?
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Plus, when have you ever seen an actually fantastic guitarist destroy a good guitar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxdDnJI-nX4
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If memory serves, Pete smashed a 59 telecaster when I saw them.
That was a long time ago though, in fact, it was this (http://www.thewholive.de/details/index.php?id=517&Tracklisting=&GroupID=1&Tag=&Monat=&Jahr=1989&Stadt=&Halle=&LandID=0&StateID=0) show right here. So if someone can confirm or correct my memory, I'd be pretty thrilled either way.
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If memory serves, Pete smashed a 59 telecaster when I saw them.
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god i hate pete townsend
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No, seriously guys, when have you seen an actual good guitarist destroy a guitar? Apart from Hendrix?
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If memory serves, Pete smashed a 59 telecaster when I saw them.
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I saw the first one Townsend smashed, when he tried throwing it up in the air, it hit the ground and didn't play right, that one almost made me cry, but smashing a perfectly good one is just wrong.
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No, seriously guys, when have you seen an actual good guitarist destroy a guitar? Apart from Hendrix?
Yeah but if you think about it most "good" guitarists probably don't want to fork out an incredible amount of money to replace that guitar when they need to spend it on other things.....like food.
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Yeah but see, even the ones with money don't do it.
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god i hate pete townsend
I really don't like The Who either.
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For the record, I am 100% behind sonic youth's use of guitars. From scraping them against the floor to taking out the kinda shitty pickups for humbuckers (ruining the omgvintage value). A guitar is a tool that should be used to whatever mean you need. Like books, all my favourite books are dogeared and beat up and have chocolate stains.
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I really don't like The Who either.
...what?
There are people who don't like The Who?
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All this guitar smashing causes me musical pain. I started playing guitar three weeks ago and have been playing day and night nonstop since. I'm going to wait 6 months before buying a guitar of my own just so I'll appreciate it more when I get it. To start a guitar collection of sorts--the idea sends shivers down my spine.
It's probably just a phase, this over-reverence for the physical instrument. In my current mindset, it's just strange to see talented musicians who have no respect for their outlet. I suppose if I were rich and famous, I wouldn't care as much. Personally, though, I'd never smash my guitar. I'd spend all my money on exotically custom drool-inducing instruments. Experiment around and stuff in ways I otherwise couldn't.
As for nickleback (you know, the subject of this thread), um... don't suppose they smash their guitars? Actually, that'd be really funny.
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Well... That show was, um... *counts fingers and toes* --almost 19 years ago, so my memory could be a little off. Arena rock shows in the 80s meant you were going home stoned out of your mind even if you didn't smoke yourself just from the contact high. So I don't want to testify in court that my memory is 100% correct because I couldn't even tell you what I ate for breakfast two days ago, you know?
I'll will say that he changed guitars before he did it and told us what it was. I'm 95% certain it was a telecaster and I'm 80% certain he said it was a '59. Maybe it was a '60 or a '61, but when he smashed it I vividly remember thinking "holy shit I can't believe he did that. " I also think that I attended the other D.C. show than the one I linked because the encore at the show I saw was Summertime Blues and not Twist and Shout. So either that website has the setlist backwards or my memory has already proven to be wrong in regards to the event because I know I got tickets to the second show they announced after the first sold out.
Regardless, the point is he smashed something that made my then teenage mind go "AAAAAAAHHHH why did he do that??!!??" and then I was sad. I'm pretty sure it was a '59 tele.
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It's probably just a phase, this over-reverence for the physical instrument.
If so, it will last a while. I would fall asleep holding my guitar if I didn't know I would end up waking myself up by lying on it. And that is with a crappy instrument, I am not even sure if I can adjust the action, where (I think, I was getting directions over the phone) my friend has hex screws, mine has this little rubbery plastic straw-ish things.
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I would fall asleep holding my guitar if I didn't know I would end up waking myself up by lying on it.
In b4 "making love to your instrument"
god i hate pete townsend
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It's okay dude, he's stopped doing horrible horrible shit like that and has moved on to child porn. IT'S OKAY MAN
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In b4 "making love to your instrument"
Don't be stupid, there is no way it would work.
...Not that I have thought about it at great lengths or anything.
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For the record, I am 100% behind sonic youth's use of guitars. From scraping them against the floor to taking out the kinda shitty pickups for humbuckers (ruining the omgvintage value). A guitar is a tool that should be used to whatever mean you need.
I agree to a point. My Tele is my baby, and so I don't do anything to it - but my Yammy, I have fucked about with mercilessly. It's currently got five strings tuned DADAD - I love Sonic Youth's approach to guitar.
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A guitar is a vehicle of artwork; a car is a vehicle of glorified pedestrians.
Man, don't be an idiot. Guitars are made in factories, just like cars. There's no difference between the two objects at all.
Also, why is this asshole with the hard-on for glasspaper making out like it's a really difficult thing to change a string? I've gone through periods where I had to change the string every week.
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No, seriously guys, when have you seen an actual good guitarist destroy a guitar? Apart from Hendrix?
I am now going to devote the rest of my life to getting Paco de Lucia to smash a guitar.
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Don't be stupid, there is no way it would work.
Anus.
That is all.
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Man, don't be an idiot. Guitars are made in factories, just like cars. There's no difference between the two objects at all.
No, I meant that a guitar makes art.
I would probably pay a visual artist to destroy their painting with a paintbrush.
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How much? I'm a bit strapped for cash.
It's one of my lifes ambitions to buy a Rothko, and then paint over it with a picture of a vase of flowers or some puppies.
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Cover it in seashells first.
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Don't forget the sequins
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I think you found a use for those jars of urine, Khar.
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good to know you guys are all on track here. i think nickelback would smash high quality instruments, they seem like the type.
but yes, truly amazing guitar players never break their instruments. like steve vai's evo guitar, playing it for like decades, its got massive structural issues and cracs now, but he keeps it off deaths door because it is his baby.
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For the record, I am 100% behind sonic youth's use of guitars. From scraping them against the floor to taking out the kinda shitty pickups for humbuckers (ruining the omgvintage value). A guitar is a tool that should be used to whatever mean you need. Like books, all my favourite books are dogeared and beat up and have chocolate stains.
I agree with this statement completely, but having said that If I had a '59 Les Paul I can't really see myself dragging it around on a floor, or whacking it with stuff or changing the humbuckers etc. I wouldn't have any problem doing this with my epiphone explorer, though.
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good to know you guys are all on track here. i think nickelback would smash high quality instruments, they seem like the type.
Yeah...and they'd make a huge deal out of it. "yeah, when we smashed our guitars onstage....it was really a statement about the state of rock-and-roll and how we're the only band out there that rocks." or some concieted bullcrap like that. Then they'd have even MORE of a female fan-base who are all "OMG Nickelback broke their guitars ON STAGE! Clearly this means I must throw my panties to them." And all their male fans would be like "Must buy guitar....to smash....grrrr." Man....I hate Nickelback. I mean seriously, the guys create the same 2 songs over and over again (one "rock" and the other "soft") just to make tons of money.
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Yeah. No-one else has ever done that.
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It dawned on me today while in the car listening to the classic rock station that Nickleback is Bad Company for the 21st century.
Yeah... That's about as deep as I get.
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For the record, I am 100% behind sonic youth's use of guitars. From scraping them against the floor to taking out the kinda shitty pickups for humbuckers (ruining the omgvintage value). A guitar is a tool that should be used to whatever mean you need. Like books, all my favourite books are dogeared and beat up and have chocolate stains.
I agree with this statement completely, but having said that If I had a '59 Les Paul I can't really see myself dragging it around on a floor, or whacking it with stuff or changing the humbuckers etc. I wouldn't have any problem doing this with my epiphone explorer, though.
If I had a 59 Les Paul, I could see myself getting a house and a few guitars I like instead!
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If memory serves, Pete smashed a 59 telecaster when I saw them.
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god i hate pete townsend
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That's like bombing a pyramid! o_O
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It dawned on me today while in the car listening to the classic rock station that Nickleback is Bad Company for the 21st century.
Yeah... That's about as deep as I get.
Hey, I like bad company.
Bombing the pyramids? They do that in the Camp Chaos powerslave video.
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I really don't like The Who either.
Try being named after one of their albums.
Tommy is a great album. And an even better movie.
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It dawned on me today while in the car listening to the classic rock station that Nickleback is Bad Company for the 21st century.
Yeah... That's about as deep as I get.
Hey, I like bad company.
Bombing the pyramids? They do that in the Camp Chaos powerslave video.
Culture barbarians. The pyramids are awesome. Just like Tele's.
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You mean they are ugly things that look like they should have been rough concept pieces, and should have had much more polish after the first prototype?
And it is the bad guys bombing the pyramids, bad guys are supposed to be despicable, otherwise it confuses things.
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For the record, I am 100% behind sonic youth's use of guitars. From scraping them against the floor to taking out the kinda shitty pickups for humbuckers (ruining the omgvintage value). A guitar is a tool that should be used to whatever mean you need. Like books, all my favourite books are dogeared and beat up and have chocolate stains.
I agree with this statement completely, but having said that If I had a '59 Les Paul I can't really see myself dragging it around on a floor, or whacking it with stuff or changing the humbuckers etc. I wouldn't have any problem doing this with my epiphone explorer, though.
If I had a 59 Les Paul, I could see myself getting a house and a few guitars I like instead!
I dunno, man. A House or a 59 Les Paul is a pretty touch choice, but I guess I'd have enough to get a house and a new Les Paul, which would still be quite awesome.
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You mean they are ugly things that look like they should have been rough concept pieces, and should have had much more polish after the first prototype?
And it is the bad guys bombing the pyramids, bad guys are supposed to be despicable, otherwise it confuses things.
If you don't like them, then why don't you build a pyramid/Telecaster? xD Just 'cause they're based on a simple design doesn't make them anything less awesome. It actually makes them cooler IMHO, I don't like baroque metal guitars with every single inch overly decorated.
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What, you mean like the one Diablo has? The Schecter CR-1 classic? That thing is beautiful, but I could see it distracting people from the player in favor of the guitar. I still want to get a custom-painted guitar eventually, though.
I don't make a pyramid because I don't have enough space in my backyard. And I am lazy. I don't make a tele because I don't want a tele, I don't have the supplies, I am broke, and I am lazy.
Even a bit of modification can help the look of a guitar quite a bit, how much harder is it to use the jigsaw to get a strat-shaped body than a tele-shaped body?
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The Stratocaster only has one extra horny bit.
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The cutout on the Tele is functional at least, it makes it possible to reach all frets without breaking a hand. Having a cutout on the other side is pretty 'n all, but it doesn't really make sense. Which explains why the Tele came earlier than the Strat.
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I find that the second cutout on the Strat is still really useful. Sometimes instead of having to have my thumb cramped against a right angle, I like to have it comfortably wrapped around the neck. Hence my preference of the SG over the Les Paul, even if it doesn't balance for shit (besides, Les Pauls are clunky, heavy, bruise-the-fuck-out-of-your-thighs chunkmonsters, which also applies to Teles in comparison to Strats).
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But the sound on a Tele!
I think Les Pauls are overrated (though they are beautiful, beautiful guitars), but Teles... man. They have a sweet, sweet sound. I'm not a big fan of Strats.
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Friends don't let friends listen to Nickelback. Hmm...
What if your friends are extremely stubborn?? My best friend is like that. I can't get her away from that band. :roll:
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The Stratocaster only has one extra horny bit.
And that extra bit helps it a lot, like I said, it isn't much different, but it helps. And of course, the part holding the bridge pickup on the teles is horrible, and the part with the knobs is bad.
And Patrick, remember, the new Les Pauls are chambered, so they won't be so damn heavy.
He is right about the extra cut-away, the double-cut makes the high frets much easier, even just the 15th, not even talking about the 17+ frets.
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or you know, you could go with a superstrat style with a 24 fret neck. even if you never use the 24th or 23rd fret, it makes the other high register playing much easier.
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Yeah, when I was looking for a new guitar, a couple super-strats were in my candidates, but for the cost, I think the faded special SG is better than any super-strat I saw, and one of the guitarists that is in a couple of my favorite bands plays SGs and ESP Vipers, so I figure that I can get that kind of sound out of the SG.
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Don't we have a guitar thread for a reason?
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Guitars deserve multiple threads, and Nickelback honestly doesn't deserve a single thread.
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Hey, fella. I like Nickleback!
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Strap him to a chair and pour indie on him? Friends let friends strap them to chairs.
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Man, I should hang out with YOUR friends.