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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: nigralovecadillac on 13 May 2008, 15:29
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Johnny Marr may blow horses but whats with everyone droppin Modest Mouse?
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what
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Johnny Marr is the reason why Modest Mouse is nowhere near as good as they were
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No no no no no, that's not it.
They've almost certainly lost their trademark sound, but I doubt it's directly Marr's fault. He might have something to do with it, but he's not the whole reason at all.
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Blame Sony BMG. Marr is a good guitarist but quite frankly Modest Mouse doesn't need another one. It's the curse of living in the Arcade Fire age that bigger supposedly means better.
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Yeah, for real. Good News for People Who Love Bad News is a pretty awesome record, but it just doesn't possess that same vibe as old Modest Mouse records do. Isaac Brock sobering up might have something to do with it, as well as the addition of Johnny Marr.
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I liked that band he made with Barney Sumner from New Order and Neil Tennant from the Pet Shop Boys!
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Yeah, for real. Good News for People Who Love Bad News is a pretty awesome record, but it just doesn't possess that same vibe as old Modest Mouse records do. Isaac Brock sobering up might have something to do with it, as well as the addition of Johnny Marr.
Isaac Brock has been sober since right after TMAA. He wasn't on drugs for Sharpen Your Teeth, GNFPWLBN or WWDBTSES, but he did get pretty shitfaced in the early hours of the morning for writing a lot of the material.
Debate this if you want, but the sound changed because of major label control and influence. TMAA had some strange production choices, probably on the label's part, and they asked the band to write a pop song for the album.
The decision to add rhythm guitar on GNFPWLBN was a major label one. The label asked for some obvious singles on that album. The label chose to super produce it. That last album was the next logical step. That said, Johnny Marr joined the band because Isaac Brock really loves the Smiths and Marr hasn't done anything worthwhile since then. He doesn't want to admit it, but this 'hip' and 'new' band was a huge opportunity for Johnny Marr.
Isaac Brock can still write an interesting song. Unfortunately, for the band Modest Mouse, music is a business. It's their career. The way I see it, once your music becomes 'work', it's gonna show in your records, and I can't think of a better example of this than Modest Mouse right now.
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Fuckin' A.
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(pardon if I seem like an asshole but listening to Mastodon for a few hours does that to you)
SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER
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No no no no no, that's not it.
They've almost certainly lost their trademark sound, but I doubt it's directly Marr's fault. He might have something to do with it, but he's not the whole reason at all.
Well i need to take my anger out on someone for modest mouse sounding terrible so i chose Marr.
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Or you could blame the record label, and rightly so?
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Whosever ever fault it is, has made me upset. I want the old Modest Mouse. It could possibly be a combination of Isaac's not drug use, Johnny Marr, and the record companies.
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Yeah, for real. Good News for People Who Love Bad News is a pretty awesome record, but it just doesn't possess that same vibe as old Modest Mouse records do. Isaac Brock sobering up might have something to do with it, as well as the addition of Johnny Marr.
Stuffs.
Yeah, that makes the most sense, I was just making assumptions.
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I don't see how it's really Marr's fault. I'm definitely in the "blame the label" camp. They wanted hit singles and push MM to write them. It worked. I'm still amazed that a band that wrote "The Lonesome Crowded West" (their best album, and probably among my 50 favorite albums overall) could go on to write "Float On" and something as shockingly boring as "Dashboard."
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I wouldn't say "boring" so much as "compromised". That song is actually catchy as hell.
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Can we all just agree nothing has been as good after The Moon and Antarctica? (their fucking greatest album)
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No, I rather Enjoy Good News...
So sod off.
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Can we all just agree nothing has been as good after The Moon and Antarctica? (their fucking greatest album)
Excluding a couple of songs, agreed.
Except for the part about TM&A being their best album, that title belongs to The Lonesome Crowded West. TM&A is my second favorite.
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Can we all just agree nothing has been as good after Build Nothing Out of Something?
EDIT - Ah crap, I just remembered that BNOoS is compilation.
It's still fucking fantastic, though.
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BNooS is indeed great. It's easily one of the better compilation albums I've heard. I am unwavering in my opinion that TLCW is easily MM's best overall. The vinyl version is ordered a bit differently and even has 'Baby Blue Sedan,' an absolutely heartbreaking song and one of the best moments of BNooS on it. MM has done so excellent stuff but nothing touches this release.
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Well i need to take my anger out on someone for modest mouse sounding terrible so i chose Marr.
shot in the dark but maybe all of modest mouse is responsible for modest mouse sounding terrible
the 'johnny marr & the healers' record is significantly better than anything by any other band he has been in
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Lonesome Crowded West is probably the second tied with Good New For People Who Love Bad News.
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:-o
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i'm still surprised that Modest Mouse are as huge of a band as they are now. i remember when i was a kid and Modest Mouse was sort of a local joke. like, i knew a guy who had seen Modest Mouse around 15 times (this was about three or so years before Moon & Antarctica came out) and we always gave him a hard time about it:
"haha Leon's seen Modest Mouse at least ten times...what an idiot!"
of course, secretly we all liked Modest Mouse but we were young and it wasn't cool to admit it so we acted like jerks instead.
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Can we all just agree nothing has been as good after The Moon and Antarctica? (their fucking greatest album)
The moon and antartica was great but Good News was amazing too
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"Good News..." doesn't deserve to be vilified, I'll grant you that. It has some quality moments and a handful of genuinely very good songs. That being said, it still does not compare at all with TMaA or TLCW. Where MM stands now was a process which really began in earnest with several moments of "Good News...". The album isn't terrible but its good moments aren't enough. I don't think any one song on "Good News...", for example, is better than any one song on TLCW.
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^I agree with this but I actually call it Modest Mouse Does Top 40 Modern Rock.
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I was youtubing and found an extended version of Cowboy Dan with improve. I could have furiously masturbated right then and there.
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links please or it didn't happen.
that's probably my favorite Modest Mouse song of all time so i'd be interested in seeing that.
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Keep some tissues nearby this may make you splooge.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ACFac0IZ1sE
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Oh man, thank you!! That's one of my favorite MM songs too. Having never seen them live and having pretty much decided I never will at this point thanks to their new fan base/music, it's great to see this being performed.
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No problem, i think it was a fairly recent video. 2001? They still can do good stuff, it's just they aren't thanks to (in my opinion) a whole fucking combination of bullshit i.e. Record Companies, Johnny Marr, and no drugs
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I haven't heard Modest Mouse in a very wrong time, but I highly doubt a guitarist as good as Marr could ever be detrimental to their sound. More like they can't live up to Marr's skillz.
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I'll keep on saying this until it hits home, but...
Getting off drugs has NOTHING to do with Modest Mouse writing crap music. NOTHING. A lot of Brock's best songs were written sober. The implication that it does is not only an insult to Modest Mouse, but an insult to musicians that are sober in general.
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Whatever Darryl, fuck sober musicians.
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I was typing a rebuttal, when I started trying to think of sober musicians that are great vs crap musicians that are on drugs. I could not think of a single example of bands that made better music when sober. Infact, I could only think of BORING musicians that were sober. The interesting ones where the ones on hardcore drugs.
Case in point:
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5185/upfugazi1lgmw5.jpg)
These guys are boring. They look like English teachers, they sound like English teachers. All their lyrics sound like lectures on how to be a good person. Fuck that, they're like my damn parents. I don't wanna know.
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2011/peteamyyx2.jpg)
Now THIS is what I wanna hear. These guys sing about real things that are close my my heart. All about drinks, drugs, love and fuckin' stuff. I don't know shit about recycling or whatever it is Fugazi are singing about, but I do know REAL feeling in music when I hear it. And when I hear Pete or Amy sing, I know it's fucking REAL.
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Dang man, I knew you was gonna drop the F-word.
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On drugs:
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9485/isaacmg0.jpg)
Off drugs:
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/623/299876446c0b7892ec0pg8.jpg)
Conclusion: Drugs will keep you skinny and attractive. Man, I don't even know why I was arguing against them.
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I told you. Only talented straight edge musician, J fucking Mascis. End of story. Oh, Frank Zappa and the Nuge aswell.
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Every musician I have played with while they were on some substance was utter dogshit. Unbelievably sloppy. ew.
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Do you live in the land of heroin?
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My friends' band, Deep Sex, played a show recently while the lead singer/guitarist was on acid. It was shockingly sloppy.
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imagine trying to play drums on muscle relaxers.
ohh actually, i bet that's how the chick in Low does it....how else could you have a drum set in front of you and play so slowly?
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hahahaha. i forgot to mention, Jack White is another talented straight edge musician.
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Can I just point out that just because you refrain from drugs/alcohol does not make you straight edge?
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ho well that's what i kind of assumed. i mean sober no straight edge -_-
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Yeah, for real. Good News for People Who Love Bad News is a pretty awesome record, but it just doesn't possess that same vibe as old Modest Mouse records do. Isaac Brock sobering up might have something to do with it, as well as the addition of Johnny Marr.
Issac was sober during good news which was amazing, i think marr is way more at fault than Isaac
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I don't think anyone specific in the band is to be blamed per se, they're all fantastic musicians (except maybe for the extra fucking drummer who they don't fucking need; Jeremiah is one of the best drummers alive, I'm sure he can handle himself). There's definitely something more subtle going on underneath. I'm not even gonna speculate just because so many other theories have already been posted, but I'm just saying that it probably is no specific person's fault.
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I don't think anyone specific in the band is to be blamed per se, they're all fantastic musicians (except maybe for the extra fucking drummer who they don't fucking need; Jeremiah is one of the best drummers alive, I'm sure he can handle himself). There's definitely something more subtle going on underneath. I'm not even gonna speculate just because so many other theories have already been posted, but I'm just saying that it probably is no specific person's fault.
Im not trying to say its marr altogether but i dont think isaac being sober has much to do with any mistakes modest mouse has made with its current releases
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The mistake with those albums was releasing them on a Sony BMG subsidiry.
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Johnny Marr is a quality guitarist, probably one of the greatest ever after Dave Davies. If you don't like what Modest Mouse is putting out, it's probably because they decided they wanted to make money for when they retire as opposed to sleeping on floors until they're 60. Not that Marr somehow corrupted their creativity.
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I actually really like the newer sounds that Modest Mouse has been putting out. They aren't stellar or anything, but they're definitely good. Good News For People Who Love Bad News is probably my favorite album from them, but my opinions generally should be discounted. Or at least according to Ciara haters.
I like Ciara, damn it >:V
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They are good albums just some what lacking in authentic character.
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i think marr is way more at fault than Isaac
I am listening to the Smiths right now
Sorry guys, I just cannot see Marr doing anything but improving a band unless they were already on the way out
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They are good albums just some what lacking in authentic character.
This is true. New shit's still good, but not quite up to Modest Mouse quality.
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They are good albums just some what lacking in authentic character.
Ugh, the most problematic word in postmodern society ever.
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Post-modern can refer to any-assembly line consrtuction style of creativity/art where the composer composes his piece from other peices that were and are. the new albums are compiled from parts and pieces supplied by the assembly line that is the US Top 40 Modern Rock chart.