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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: MooMan1 on 23 Jun 2008, 13:16
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I personally enjoy them a bunch, but after reading the Pitchfork reviews, I'm wondering how representative they are of the rest of the hipster views. So, I ask the topic question.
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People on here seem to either think they're pretty okay or hate them altogether. As far as my memory serves, anyways.
Me, I don't really feel strongly either way about them. I think they had one or two really pretty songs, but other than that are pretty boring.
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You read Pitchfork, and as such I am going to out-hipster your hipsterness and say I am too hip for Pitchfork.
I hate them, but for my own reasons dictated in the thread about ringing ears.
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I like Muse.
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I don't read Pitchfork, actually. I found the specific article while on a Wikipedia binge where an excerpt from the review of Black Holes and Revelations was quoted.
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I hate them, but for my own reasons dictated in the thread about ringing ears.
Seriously? Of all shows that had to do terrible damage to your hearing and give you tinnitus, it was a Muse show? That's fucking awful. I'm so sorry.
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i have never heard of Muse.
i guess i'm not very hip.
...or i'm ultra-hip? i don't really know how these things work.
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I don't hate them, I just think their sound is a dumbed down version of other band's sounds, so why should I bother listening to them.
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What a bizarre question.
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Meh. Muse are a pretty good band. They seem to me like a great band for people to discover right around the middle of high school, kinda like Modest Mouse, QOTSA, or The Flaming Lips. You know, bands that have really cool and varied back catalogs that show change and evolution, and that are capable of instilling in someone the motivation to explore music for the sake of exploring music, but are just slightly too widely enjoyed to singlehandedly give someone the sense that they have a unique perspective on music. Bands like Muse are good for being someone's first real favorite. However, people who have had more extensive experience with trying out new genres and learning about musical history are probably not going to have any revelations when they come across Muse.
I expect that Pitchfork hates Muse because the people who write Pitchfork really want for the people who read their work to be of the latter category. Seems to me like a silly reason to denigrate perfectly competent rock musicians. Let FM radio have its rare sweet spots.
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Perhaps it's because I didn't discover them in high school, but I'm more in the indifferent category then anything. I like them fine, but I don't go seeking them out.
Then again, I don't think I'm a hipster and I don't read pitchfork very often, so maybe this question doesn't apply to me?
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I hate them, but for my own reasons dictated in the thread about ringing ears.
Seriously? Of all shows that had to do terrible damage to your hearing and give you tinnitus, it was a Muse show? That's fucking awful. I'm so sorry.
Yep. It wasn't Nick Cave, which was the loudest gig I've ever been to. It wasn't blink-182 or Bloodhound Gang, which were just stupid fun. It wasn't Ryan Adams which was just out and out magnificent. It wasn't even Audiogene, where I was one of only about 100 people there, got half naked in a church and got about twelve things signed and had the time of my life. IT WAS MUSE. MY SECOND GIG EVER.
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incredibly boring and overrated band is incredibly boring and overrated.
it's not a hipster thing. in fact, the majority of hipsters I've seen love this band.
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Meh. Muse are a pretty good band. They seem to me like a great band for people to discover right around the middle of high school, kinda like Modest Mouse, QOTSA, or The Flaming Lips. You know, bands that have really cool and varied back catalogs that show change and evolution, and that are capable of instilling in someone the motivation to explore music for the sake of exploring music, but are just slightly too widely enjoyed to singlehandedly give someone the sense that they have a unique perspective on music. Bands like Muse are good for being someone's first real favorite. However, people who have had more extensive experience with trying out new genres and learning about musical history are probably not going to have any revelations when they come across Muse.
I expect that Pitchfork hates Muse because the people who write Pitchfork really want for the people who read their work to be of the latter category. Seems to me like a silly reason to denigrate perfectly competent rock musicians. Let FM radio have its rare sweet spots.
QFT.
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I sort of like muse.
They have that one song that makes me think of Philip Glass, and I guess that's alright.
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it's not a hipster thing. in fact, the majority of hipsters I've seen love this band.
Man you've seen pretty fucking backwards hipsters.
definitely not disputing this. hahaha.
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I typically enjoy their songs the first few times I hear them, but for some reason I get sick of them incredibly quickly. They're like those Popcorn Chicken things at KFC. The first few bites are incredible, but by the time you get to the bottom of the box I'm ready to swear them off for a year.
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I was under the impression that the Pitchfork et. al. was fairly meh on Muse, with the opinion that they have a great live presence. I don't have any personal experience with them live, but that was the vibe I got from the couple of Pitchfork pieces I've read about them.
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I don't mind them, but I have never found them particularily interesting either. They are placed firmly in the "I've got better things to do"-category of bands in my head.
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Their music irks me, but it's nothing I would go into a fit of nerd-rage over.
Pretty fun to play in Rock Band, I'll give them that.
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I find them okay, but wouldn't go out of my way to buy their albums or anything.
I do think they've gotten better with that last record than they used to be. It wouldn't be terribly odd if their next one is really good. Stranger things have happened, like Death Cab For Cutie making my favourite song of '08 so far ("I Will Possess Your Heart", the 8-minute album version).
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what jeph said
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I really like Muse. I don't know if I count as a hipster or not. I'm not even sure what one is any more, to be totally honest.
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No hipsters 'round here, man. Honest.
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i say screw the overhyped nazi-like hipsters that jerk off to their elitist pissant excuse of music taste
i don't like muse per se but not for any elitist hipster crap, i just don't like em, i don't have to have a giant technical list as to why like pitchfork does "like omg they didn't follow the key pattern for the minor like omg they are SO completely off of my itunes forever and EVER!" (only minorly exaggorated by a guy whos at everyshow i'm at, i have call him stereotypical-over-elitist-hypster guy for long, prick for short) i think people can like whatever the hell they like even if i despise it becuase we're all iono, snowflakes or some shit
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Wait.
Waaaaaaait.
How is Pitchfork a hipster?
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"like omg they didn't follow the key pattern for the minor like omg they are SO completely off of my itunes forever and EVER!"
You're trying to say that hipsters care about adherence to music theory/technicality? What?
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I have to say I don't hate Muse.
But, aren't I a hipster? If you really want to call me that.
Hey guys, don't you feel like QC is a breeding ground for hipsters?
It must be Jeph's fault that we always get all of these hipster bashings around here.
His comic is too pretentious. Jeeze Jeph. Way to go. (Don't hurt me.)
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@#$% what the hipster rags say.
In St. Louis, we have Playback:STL as our local indie rag. They put on a show every week showcasing new "talent." The bands invariably suck, can't play their instruments at all, can't sign, have no synergy amongst themselves - and end up on the cover of the mag while the real indie stars (read: the bands who actually have talent and skill) of St. Louis don't even get their shows listed.
St. Louis Sound is looking to have gone the same path.
It is a @#$%ing joke.
As for Muse, I have only so far heard Knights thanks to the fantastic video. I really like Knights of Cydonia and was even debating on catching them when they came through town, but have not yet had time to check out any of their other material.
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It is a @#$%ing joke.
So is fucking censoring yourself, suckjob asshole cocksucker cuntface.
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Now was that necessary?
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Hipsters may not exist. but what about them FATSTERS? we can't deny the threat of the fatsters.
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To group them into an easily digested category for the sake of convenient prejudice is narrow minded to say the least.
What about "members of Muse"?
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Out of context jokes are funny!
HIPSTERNATION HERBLUGH
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I don't think there is such a thing as 'Hipsters'. I think it's a joke.
There is an archetypal caricature based on massive exaggeration of the trends of a particular cross section of youths. I suppose it could be described as a meme of sorts. The comic QC is somewhere between a parody and an homage to this concept. It's amusing to think that these characters exist and there are thousands of them around the world. This is also a useful theory to market towards, as we have seen from American Apparel et al.
In general, such labels are used as an amalgamation of anything you don't like so you can project your own insecurities onto a group of people. Sometimes it's because of their skin colour, sometimes it's because of their sexuality or gender. It can be anything you don't like. People that wear Converse. People that listen to Jazz. People who don't eat meat. Anything that irks your world view can be thrown into a loose umbrella term for absolutely anything you want to hate. Your individual pet peeves personified on a hive of imaginary cookie-cutter people.
The truth is that there aren't really easily manageable factions of people. Humans are individuals. They have individual likes and dislikes which are determined by everything that has ever happened to them in their life. To group them into an easily digested category for the sake of convenient prejudice is narrow minded to say the least.
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2/ffgtthttghyujjfdss/hipsters.gif)
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That is excellent. Thanks Mise.
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Tried them. Didn't like them. Won't be listening to them anytime in the near future.
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I think most people that refer to themselves as hipsters do so with at least a little irony, but I've met one or two who will tell me that they're hipsters with entirely straight faces. I agree with Anyways that, while it's certainly a caricature, it's a caricature that at least some people take on as an identity. Its an easy cop out to view people as categories instead of individuals, and we all do it, but many of us do it to ourselves as well as others. People assume identities because they're safe. It takes a lot of thought to decide who you are, and its scary for many people to think "I am the only one." Identifying with a group, any group, allows you to have a sense of self without as much work, and also gains you a sense of community. Whether we're talking about fashion, music, religion, politics, or what have you, taking on an identity answers a lot of questions for you. So we can say "I don't believe in labels" all we want, but it probably isn't true, and in the end, when people are applying the labels themselves, they can hard to avoid.
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Now was that necessary?
I had it coming. I keep forgetting which forum I'm on, and self-censoring out of habit.
Please don't lock me under the stairs again!
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Hipsters may not be as well-defined as other subcultures have been (goth, metal, grunge, punk) but I do think they exist.
They're those douchebags who wear dress shirts and ties to Interpol concerts.
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I thought that was part of the old mod-punk scene?
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Addendum: They're those douchebags who have emo hair and wear dress shirts and ties to Interpol concerts.
The old mod-ska-punk shirt-and-tie look is a different animal altogether.
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i don't know about that, i think those are just called "teenagers" now.
when i think of hipsters (which thankfully, isn't very often), i think of this. (http://www.blaker.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Brick%20Lane%20hipsters.jpg)
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Actually that guy on the right is pretty much what I was talking about.
That girl in the middle is pretty cute.
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i'd like to point out that i never said any of that and, in fact, would rather not take place in this discussion.
but i will say this and only this:
i try not to judge people on looks alone, so when i see people dressed like that around town i usually think "hey, they're dressed like hipsters but they could be totally good people." it's after hearing them talk or talking with them myself that i deem someone a "hipster"
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Jesus Christ if you're going to identify hipsters by looks at least read Vice (http://www.viceland.com/int/dos.php).
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Why do we assume that because they dress sorta funny that they are elitists or that their reasons for disliking particular music is less valid than anyone else's?
When did "we" say that we do? I don't. I was just saying it's an identifiable subculture just like any other.
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Oh, semantics!
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A better way to put that would have been "Why would one assume".
Perhaps you should ask one who does assume. I don't see anyone saying that hipsters automatically have bad taste in music. That would just be silly.
In my experience hipsters like a few great bands, a bunch of good ones, and a few terrible ones.
That's more than I can say for most people in the rap, hard rock, or country subcultures.
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Personally, I like Muse the first time I hear 'em...
WHEN THEY WERE CALLED RADIOHEAD.
waka waka waka
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Eh? I think I'm missing something here because those two bands are nothing alike to me. I love Radiohead and only like a few Muse songs.
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Actually I agree that Muse used to sound like Radiohead like 7 years ago. Their new material obviously doesn't.
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A hipster walks into a thread on QC and says "Why are we even debating this at all when the premise of the entire thread is laughably absurd and best ignored?"
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OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE?!
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A hipster walks into a thread on QC and says "Why are we even debating this at all when the premise of the entire thread is laughably absurd and best ignored?"
A guy walks into the webbernets and makes a sweeping, condescending dick-wagging statement to make himself feel superior to others.
FILM AT ELEVEN.
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when i see people dressed like that around town i usually think "hey, they're dressed like hipsters but they could be totally good people."
So hipsters can't be "totally good people"?
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A guy walks into the webbernets and makes a sweeping, condescending dick-wagging statement to make himself feel superior to others.
FILM AT ELEVEN.
But enough about you, let's talk about someone else for a change.
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Wow. "I know you are but what am I?"
Well played, sir.
Well. Played. *golf clap*
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OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE?!
Proven that a lot of people would rather argue about whether there's such a thing as a hipster then discuss Muse.
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In my experience, people use the word "hipster" to refer to people who go to the same shows and listen to the same music and dress similarly to themselves, but are not as cool as themselves in some vague indeterminate way. Calling someone else a "hipster" basically implies that they are actively trying, but failing, to live up to one's own standards of cool. It's like a subculture-specific synonym for "poser."
Maybe this is just a regional thing, but around my way, the term "hipsters" represents the anonymous crowd of followers who are always present anywhere anything cool is happening but only because they are trying to use their presence there to make themselves look cool. Nobody tries to be one ... actually, people often live in apprehension that others will think of them that way.
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I think Muse is a pretty enjoyable band and in some people's eyes I could be considered a "hipster." The terms hipster and indie kid are just so darn broad that it is impossible to use them as viable group descriptors when it comes to pinpointing particular likes and dislikes of the entire "hipster" population.
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Wait I think I figured it out guys
a hipster is anyone who puts "quotes" around the word "hipster"
/thread
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Wait, wouldn't it just be people who are trying to participate in a discussion about what the word means who put quotes around it? That's usually how it works when people are discussing the meaning of a word ... it gets put in quotes for ease of communication.
I suppose, however, that anyone who takes the time to discuss the meaning of the word "hipster" could be considered one by default though. Shit.
I think the really funny thing about this thread is that zerodrone called someone out for wagging their dick in the music forum. The rest of the thread is just background noise, setting the stage for that little bit of genius.
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This thread is completely batshit.
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nurrrrr
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I think the really funny thing about this thread is that zerodrone called someone out for wagging their dick in the music forum.
I only wag my dick for comedic effect.
Does anyone honestly think I take myself seriously? :?
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You know, scratch it all out, let's just go back to the beggining.
Hipster - A white, middle class youth who has an interest in modern jazz and the culture surrounding it. Understanding of Jive-cant a must. Substance abuse not required but recommended.
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Hipster - See: "scenester."
They all mean the same thing, and they are all equally ambiguous and silly.
I only wag my dick for comedic effect.
Does anyone honestly think I take myself seriously? :?
It took me a while to figure it out, but I really don't think you do anymore.
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I like Muse. I can shake my ass to their music and I like listening to them when I drive too. Also, I think they sound just as good, if not better, live. I saw them...2 or 3 years ago and I had a good time rocking out. But I do not consider myself a hipster or a scenester and I do not read Pitchfork for various reasons. I listen to what I like and I like what I listen to, so hey.
(Also, I scanned this entire thread for "oh em gee they sound like Radiohead" and was actually surprised it took so long. But I'm not going to go into that. Just pointing out something I thought was funny to me.)
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This thread is completely batshit.
Which makes it unique among threads on internet forums, which are usually sane and pleasant places to discuss subjects of all manner with respect and dignity.
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Now was that necessary?
I had it coming. I keep forgetting which forum I'm on, and self-censoring out of habit.
Please don't lock me under the stairs again!
I wasn't actually insulting you, pal. I was just shoving lots of swear words into the post, I thought I'd made that obvious. There's only one word that's censored on here to my knowledge, and it should be.
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What word? I know that there are a a few word filters for strange things.
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Racial slur for a black guy. I believe it censors itself to 'I'm a racist jackass, ban me please' or something.
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Oh! Yeah, that's a good one. I like how C huck Norris turns into "Anal Prolapse."
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Mediaf!re is a glorious word!
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as someone in another forum I frequent said, "Your bands have blinded my Third Eye, and prolapsed my anus."
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Lol hipster wank. I'll get the popcorn.
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I fucking love Muse, sorry guys.
I think Rush are fantastic, too.
Marty Friedman gave me J Pop as a guilty pleasure.
Fuck you guys.
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Burn Jews.
what
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Back when I used to post on the Weezer message boards, typing Coldplay resulted in "I am so gay it FUCKING hurts".
Oh, and Muse blows.
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I propose we do something about the word "hipster."
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We should have the word filter change it to 'fatster'.
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YES.
We should also do something about "indie." Maybe it changes to something totally irrelevant. Like Belgium.
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The image and caption here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(contemporary_subculture) are brilliant.
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lol @ Weezer fans making fun of Coldplay fans.
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^^^^^^^^
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We are all just wannabeatrons?
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I hate everything now.
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I can't stand Muse. It's overwrought, overproduced and pandering.
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I hate to be the odd one out, but for strange reasons I cannot explain, Muse is my favorite band... I'm sorry. I compare my love for them to my being compelled to touch barbed wire every time I see it.
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I feel myself compelled to rub my rough nails across rough cotten, which upon contact repulses me. I also like muse, coincidentally.
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It's overwrought
See this is my main beef with them. Everything I have ever heard by Muse has been nothing short of histrionic. It's like they took all the choruses off The Bends, turned them up, and then wrote entire songs out of them.
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I think you mean "took all the choruses from The Bends and wrote entire songs that were parodies of them".
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I've heard them being called "Radiohead plus Red Hot Chili Peppers"
I'm guessing that means RHCP are good live.
But even so, Assassin is a damn good song.
I think my friend's equation for muse was
"(Radiohead + RHCP)/sigur ros ( I don't know why, but thats what he said) - 3 band members +FUCKING RADIOHEAD= MUSE"
he really stressed the radiohead part
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Hey old and horrible thread, how have you been?
Old and horrible? That's nice.
Me? Oh you know, the usual.
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For the record, Muse make superhereo music.
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Muse are pretty satisfactory where my over-the-top rock needs are concerned.
Also, Muse no longer have much to do with Radiohead.
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I think hipsters exist, it's just that they haven't been completely defined yet (like, people aren't sure exactly what makes a hipster yet) so the term is kind of hard to throw around.
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Hey old and horrible thread, how have you been?
Old and horrible? That's nice.
Me? Oh you know, the usual.
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he really stressed the radiohead part
*hangs self for at least two reasons*
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I found that def 7 on Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster) Is pretty good, and 2 is just funny. The rest is dross.
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Definition 7: tldr
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1. hipster
people in thier teens to 20s who generally listen to indie rock, hang out in coffee shops, shop at the thrift store and talk about things like books, music, films and art.
Back in my day, we called those "college students".
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Marty Friedman gave me J Pop as a guilty pleasure.
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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I typically enjoy their songs the first few times I hear them, but for some reason I get sick of them incredibly quickly. They're like those Popcorn Chicken things at KFC. The first few bites are incredible, but by the time you get to the bottom of the box I'm ready to swear them off for a year.
That's it! You have perfectly described my relationship with a good number of the bands I have heard.
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YES.
We should also do something about "indie." Maybe it changes to something totally irrelevant. Like Belgium.
I take offense to that.
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I found that def 7 on Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster) Is pretty good, and 2 is just funny. The rest is dross.
Definition 7 was written by a committee consisting of these people:
(http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/hipster1.jpg)
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I would hang out with and/or date those girls. I think this is where our mutual deconstruction of sheeple splits paths.
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For the record, Muse make superhereo music.
I once ate a whole box of superhereos.
If you dip 'em in milk they're delicious.
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I like Muse. They were my favourite band for a long time.
I guess only having two posts doesn't really give this much credence.
I will say this: They have the most irritating fans on earth. The only worse ones I can think of are Radiohead fans.
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Yeah, somehow that doesn't surprise me.
Cant we just be friends?
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I will say this: They have the most irritating fans on earth. The only worse ones I can think of are Radiohead fans.
Muse fans WISH they were as annoying as Radiohead fans.
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I'd like to think I grew out of Muse. Own some albums, saw them at Earl Court's - good show. But now, I don't really find them that interesting.
I fully agree on Muse fans (and Radiohead fans, but don't get me started...): I went to school with a bunch, and they would not shut up. You'd think no one had ever played the guitar before Muse guy.
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I found that def 7 on Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster) Is pretty good, and 2 is just funny. The rest is dross.
Definition 7 was written by a committee consisting of these people:
(http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/hipster1.jpg)
I can't even tell if definition 7 is some kind of weird meta ironic joke or not.
It is that good, Definition 6 is the best though:
'You, for reading ironic, pseudo-intellectual dictionary entries on the word "hipster".'
I was actually thinking of making an entry for this until I realised that there was no way I could top that. (http://www.chunklet.com/images/upload/6/audio_file/Runnin%27%20With%20The%20Devil.mp3)
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Muse is my favorite band... I'm sorry.
I'm considering this as a new sig quote.
And, I've hated Pitchfork ever since they claimed that Billy Corgan's voice was as "unbearable as most Led Zeppelin cover bands."
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To be honest, Billy Corgan is unbearable when goes off on his whole super-fantastik gothlectro stadium rock tangent. That said, Zeitgeist is his best album in a long time.
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Of all pictures for Khar to post, it had to be one where somebody is wearing stunna shades with the wrong outfit. What the hell man.
You're welcome for the necropost.
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I still stand by hipsterdom as a viable way of life... fashion sense... whatever it is you all hate about it... Fun maybe?
And Pitchfork is as good as any many online music websites. But if you arent smart enough to sift the bullshit, then maybe get off the internet?
And as far as whoever was hating on Tapes 'n Tapes as a product of the imagination of Pitchfork(this whole even could have taken place on some blog or review on some random website, but on the off chance its one of you...), Id have to say, way turned me on to them was a Spin Magazine round up of SXSW before spin turned into a Blender Clone. And I stand solidly by them on their first album, with Insistor probably being one of the top songs of the year.
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I found that def 7 on Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster) Is pretty good, and 2 is just funny. The rest is dross.
"Anti-hipster sentiment often comes from people who simply can't keep up with social change and are envious of those who can."
So that's what my problem is...