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So it's coming out in a week. And it is going to be both glorious and magical.
It's sort of peculiar that this film was even made at all. The production budget exceeds the total domestic gross of the first film (or so I'm told) and it's got exactly one week to live before Heath Ledger's Last Role crushes it into so much dust. Chalk it up to Pan's Labyrinth being as well-received as it was, I suppose.
Anyway, I liked the first film well enough, but there was something missing from it. It was a fun, lighthearted action movie that didn't have a particularly strong villain (not unlike Iron Man, now that I think about it) but it looks like this time the full power of Guillermo Del Toro's fertile imagination is being brought to bear, and I couldn't be more excited. The only comparable filmmakers in terms of visual luxury working today are probably Tarsem and Michel Gondry. Plus, Ron Perlman in a leading role is something I wholeheartedly support.
There are a number of short clips from the film you can watch here (http://www.collider.com/entertainment/news/article.asp/aid/8352/tcid/1).
There are some amusing short ads they've released as well with Hellboy appearing in amusing juxtaposition with assorted television personalities.
Hellboy and Chuck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aGUTNaZwHs)
Hellboy Inside the Actor's Studio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbaA68jYYek)
Hellboy and Ghost Hunters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv94lBG9FrU)
Who else is going to see it? All of you?
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I'll go see it of course... Do I think that it was a necessary movie to make? No, i really don't. Do I think it looks kinda of kick-ass? Yeah, I do.
So, I'll throw down my $6 to go see it one afternoon, or hell, if it's at the drive-in with something that is equally as interesting sounding, I might toss out the extra 1.50 and see the double-feature (goddamn, I love the Drive-In...)
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Del Toro and Mignolia working together, put me down as a "fuck yeah".
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I really liked the first one and I totally understand what you said about not having a strong villain. I found the first one to be really anticlimactic, it just kind of fell flat and having that giant tentacle thing kind of made the villain very inhuman and unrelatable which in this film was not great.
That said, the sequel looks incredible and like it's actually had the thought behind it that the first one lacked. So hurrah! I didn't realise it was coming out so soon though. I guess I'm going to be going to the cinema a lot in the next few weeks.
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Man I cannot wait to see it it is going to be so rad. It will CRUSH BALLS.
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It will CRUSH BALLS.
I vote that this be a poll option.
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I didn't like the first one, but it seems like the second one has had a lot more freedom to find its own, and the trailers for it look pretty amazing. I'm betting this is gonna be one of those few movies that manage to have a sequel better than the original movie.
Also, American Gladiators (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHjc67cvio4&NR=1)
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Also, Audition for... something (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os7CwR44_yg&feature=related)
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Fuck yeah I am going to see this, the first film is what go me so crazy about the Hellboy franchise.
The gentler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgQjdTjj3-w) side of Hellboy
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I saw a preview for this when I saw the Hulk and thought "oh wow, this actually looks interesting and good."
so, I guess I have a movie to see next weekend.
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Oh what the fuck.
Hellboy 2 doesn't come out in Australia until the 29th of August. Fuck.
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Aww man, it's the 28th of August for New Zealand. I thought it was next week...
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After Pan's Labyrinth Del Toro can pretty much do whatever the damn hell he pleases. Everything about the trailers have reminded me of Pan's....in a totally awesome way. The first one was alright but I felt that he didn't have complete artistic control over the film and just wanted a nice break into American Movies. This film seems to be directly from him and I'm SUPER-excited to see it. It also doesn't seem to have the main white-guy from the first one...is he making a return or no?
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I think saw him a couple of times in the trailer. His role has likely been reduced.
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I loved the first Hellboy, much to the chagrin of most of my nerd friends. There was just something about that movie that clicked for me. So I will absolutely go see the new Hellboy.
Also...
Lunchboxes.
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It also doesn't seem to have the main white-guy from the first one...is he making a return or no?
Much like last film was about him becoming a part of the team, this one is for Kraus
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I didn't actually like Hellboy that much, but I have this strange sort of loyalty where whenever someone badmouths it I'm all "FIGHT YOU."
I guess what I am saying is that yes I will see it.
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My mom and I caught Hellboy on FX some Sunday afternoon a few months ago and have loved it ever since. I feel as if we are going to be very out of place in the theater somehow.
I couldn't tell from the trailer and IMDB is telling me nothing - is David Hyde Pierce doing Abe's voice again? The one time he spoke it didn't sound a thing like him, and I will be most disappointed if it isn't.
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It isn't. Being an Actor, Pierce thought it wrong that he should get billed for the performance that Doug Jones (I think that's his name) is giving physically, when he himself was only reading lines. So he turned down any offers to play Abe Sapien after the first movie (I don't even think he VAed in Sword of Storms)
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I love the reference to the pancakes story in that audition video, because the pancakes story is essentially the greatest. So concise, so delicious. I'm totally seeing this Friday, probably gathering a party before venturing forth.
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I don't like pamcakes!
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...they're icky
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i am so unreasonably excited for this movie you have no idea
i will kiss mike mignola at comic con
jail time will be worth it
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Holy poop I love Hellboy with the white-hot passion of a thousand suns. Mike Mignola draws my dreams. I'm so excited for this movie I am probably going to frollick.
*goes about the frollicking*
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Your dreams must be killer.
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It isn't. Being an Actor, Pierce thought it wrong that he should get billed for the performance that Doug Jones (I think that's his name) is giving physically, when he himself was only reading lines. So he turned down any offers to play Abe Sapien after the first movie (I don't even think he VAed in Sword of Storms)
Gah, curse his sense of fairness. I love that man's voice more than life itself, but I see his point.
But yeah, this could pretty much not get more awesome. I am torn between being disappointed that it doesn't come out three days later on my birthday and being glad I don't actually have to wait those extra three days.
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You're dreams must be killer.
You're dreams
You're
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How the fuck did I do that :?
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Maybe you accidentally meant to call me a dream killer.
Which I am. Having woken up and all.
ALSO they reference the pancake story?! Where? Where?! HE ATE THE PANCAKES HISSSSSSSSS.
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9 hours and counting!
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I'm not going to another goddamn midnight showing.... maybe... okay I might. I mean, the midnight showings at the theater i go to are really laid back...
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So, anyone else disappointed?
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I heard love blooms on the battlefield between an elf chick and a lizard.
Yeah, I think I'll be skipping this one.
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So, anyone else disappointed?
Not at all. It lacked the glaring flaws of the first film, particularly in the villain department. But it's still a Summer Action Movie like the first one. It's just infinitely better than, say, the Transformers movies.
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So, anyone else disappointed?
yes and no. I was underwhelmed by the end of it but I'm conflicted because that elf dude kicked a lot of ass, and the monsters were cool. Unfortunately the first has fucking nazis and rasputin in it, so how the fuck are you going to compare to them?
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So, anyone else disappointed?
Yes. To much del Toro, not enough Mignola.
And what is with adaptations of books and the liek and the addition of stupid romace sub-plots? Liz was like, eight, when she first met Hellboy.
I will say, Krauss was done very well. a little hammy, but we can't blame Seth for that.
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Uh, yes we can. It wasn't the physical actor's choice to use a Colonel Klink voice.
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I enjoyed the fuck out of it. It wasn't a subtle movie, but when was Hellboy about subtelty? The only major complaint I had was the Calista Flockhart look-alike. Everything else was fine. Even Krauss' voice. To Seth's credit, if you didn't know ahead of time it was him, you wouldn't have known it. I didn't see anything wrong with it.
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I didn't dislike McFarlane's turn, it's just that yeah, he was the source of the ham. But the ham worked.
I thought the lady that played the princess was okay.
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I mean, she wasn't bad, but she felt like the rusty link in an otherwise sturdy chain.
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To Seth's credit, if you didn't know ahead of time it was him, you wouldn't have known it.
I easily identified him as the voice of Krauss, i dunno about you guys.
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Oh my gentle jesus, am I the only one not going to see this movie? Honestly the first Hellboy was shit. I'm broke, therefore, not risking my money.
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To Seth's credit, if you didn't know ahead of time it was him, you wouldn't have known it.
I easily identified him as the voice of Krauss, i dunno about you guys.
It's not how I would've expected an (Austrian? German?) accent from him to sound. I heard a hint of Stewie, but only because I was looking for it.
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I got it right away, its more or less the voice of the goldfish in American Dad, which in my opinion is not a good show.
So I just got back from watching this, and I gotta say, not quite what I was expecting. There wasn't quite enough ass kicking in it for me, but it was great, cheesy, fun and very self-aware at times. the only problem was that when it came time for those "heartfelt" scenes the ham and other stuff mucked it up a bit so I really couldn't get a good empathy with the characters. But also the art direction was pretty fuckin rad.
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It's not how I would've expected an (Austrian? German?) accent from him to sound. I heard a hint of Stewie, but only because I was looking for it.
honestly he sounded exactly like the couple times he's voiced Hitler for his show.
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Oh my gentle jesus, am I the only one not going to see this movie? Honestly the first Hellboy was shit. I'm broke, therefore, not risking my money.
i can't imagine you being the only person who doesn't see sequels to movies they don't like. I suppose predominantly we all liked Hellboy though.
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Well, I've seen a full 3 episodes of American Dad, and none of the Family Guy episodes with Hitler.
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It's established I'm the only one on these forums who doesn't have a hard on for Hellboy
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I enjoyed this movie thoroughly. I expected a fun and reasonably well done summer action flick, and it delivered on that. Also, I adored the art direction. Rad rad rad!
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The movie was a hell of a lot better than the first one, that's for sure.
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The first Hellboy movie was just okay, and in itself was not incentive to see a second one, but then again it is friggin' Hellboy. Plus, coming off of Pan's Labyrinth, everyone had pretty high hopes for this'n, as can be seen by the discussion in the beginning of the thread. I had a pretty great time, and although it certainly didn't totally bowl me over as a film (of course, the art direction and the creatures were breathtaking and amazing) I think it was well worth my cash.
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I'm seeing this on thursday with an old friend. He's paying because I have 5.50 in quarters. The movie looks FUN, I would only compare the artwork and cinematography with Pan's Labyrinth, not the story or the characters. I have a feeling that this movie is going to be much more fun than the first, with the exception of Abe....stupid Niles Crane.
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Doug Jones voices Abe in this one^
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He actually sounds a lot like he did in the first one, with a slightly less British accent.
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I LOVED it, guys. I honestly do not understand all the bitching. When it was cheesy, it was the kind of cheese that I thoroughly enjoy, and I loved the sense of depth that the underlying mythology gave it. All of the flaws - acting, voicing, whatever - were piddling minor compared to the feeling of complete satisfaction I had from the movie as a whole. I'm not familiar with the comics, but as movies, Hellboy and this sequel have really carved out a niche for themselves; there really isn't a comparison to be made with other comic/superhero movies (at least, not the one's I've seen).
Fuck all y'all haters; this movie is excellent.
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I thought it was really great.
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I too am confused by the bitching, I saw it last night and JESUS FUCK it was the most visually fantastical film I've seen since, I don't know, City of Lost Children probably. I honestly didn't like Pan's Labyrinth very much, but this was just... wow.
Doug Jones though, I really think he did a pretty shitty job, I really missed David Hyde Pierce.
I thought the elf chick was pretty rad. And the elf dude, man, he was like Sephiroth if Sephiroth weren't an overrated mama's boy.
Oddly though I didn't really laugh. The comedy was good, but it didn't actually make me LOL like the first one did.
The giant Cthulhu elemental thing was... pretty fucking rad to put it mildly.
What else... better choreographed martial arts fighting than even Matrix Revolutions, though not as much of it, obv.
I am not sorry I paid the counter dude my six bucks instead of just walking into the theater, because I totally could have because he wasn't looking and obviously didn't give a shit anyway (I got there right as the trailers were ending so I was the only person there other than him).
Oh and Kraus was pretty awesome, did not guess it was McFarlane.
If they do a third (and I'm sure they will) they are seriously going to have a hard time making it anywhere near as good, unless they just bring Del Toro on board again.
Though having watched Planet Terror like three times this week I think Rodriguez would do a good job.
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I just saw it today and I can honestly say that I thought it was pretty damn amazing. However i did absolutely hate the beginning with "kid" Hellboy. Everything else was made and there were only a few things that connected it to the first one.
I didn't miss Niles as much as I thought I would, Doug Jones kept the same staccatto pacing and it was nice. There were points were the entire theatre was laughing and I was laughing too which was really nice. It definitely has a nice feel to it. I'm not sure if it will make a good transition to small screen though.
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If they do a third (and I'm sure they will) they are seriously going to have a hard time making it anywhere near as good, unless they just bring Del Toro on board again.
Though having watched Planet Terror like three times this week I think Rodriguez would do a good job.
I don't know if it will play big to an extent that the studio will wrest it from Del Toro's hands (I mean, come on, I thought the draw of Hellboy was that it was a Del Toro project). It's sort of his at this point (lots consider it a "studio movie" paying the bills between personal projects, but he seemed pretty invested in this one) and I'd bet Mike Mignola is a big Guillermo partisan by now.
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Seriously disappointed by this.
*Spoilers*
The plot made no fucking sense. The elf chick didn't exactly tug on my hearstrings with the whole "My psychopathic brother knows what I know but sure take me to your underground layer so that I can endanger your lives" thing. Also if she'd been willing to part with that fucking crown piece a little earlier a lot of mayhem could have been avoided. Abe's sudden falling in love was unconvincing. The dialog in the romance scenes was painful and stilted. The cheese filled catchphrases ("You woke up the baby") stank. The convenient coincidences that moved the plot forward were annoying. Krauss was supposed to be a genius and his plan at the end was "Let's travel half-way across the world and reason with the psychopathic elf prince.
*End Spoilers*
Maybe I would have expected this if I'd read the novels, but I can't help but feel that this movie brought nothing new to the table. The secret agency dealing with menaces that need to be concealed from society at large we got in Men In Black. The misunderstood heroes hated by society despite their altruism and good looks we got in X-Men. The main character having to make a decision between good and evil we got in more movies I can conveniently count, including the Nightwatch series. And the crazy ass monsters with weirdly placed eyes we got in Pan's Labyrinth. This could have been a great movie if the dialog had been well written and the plot engaging, but as it was it left me uninterested in seeing the inevitable sequel. And I was a huge fan of the first movie.
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*Spoilers*
The plot made no fucking sense. The elf chick didn't exactly tug on my hearstrings with the whole "My psychopathic brother knows what I know but sure take me to your underground layer so that I can endanger your lives" thing. Also if she'd been willing to part with that fucking crown piece a little earlier a lot of mayhem could have been avoided. Abe's sudden falling in love was unconvincing. The dialog in the romance scenes was painful and stilted. The cheese filled catchphrases ("You woke up the baby") stank. The convenient coincidences that moved the plot forward were annoying. Krauss was supposed to be a genius and his plan at the end was "Let's travel half-way across the world and reason with the psychopathic elf prince.
*End Spoilers*
No no, you're misremembering. Krauss' plan was to face the prince sans crown / golden army and beat him. Abe didn't tell anyone that he had the third piece of the crown when they left.
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*Spoilers*
The plot made no fucking sense. The elf chick didn't exactly tug on my hearstrings with the whole "My psychopathic brother knows what I know but sure take me to your underground layer so that I can endanger your lives" thing. Also if she'd been willing to part with that fucking crown piece a little earlier a lot of mayhem could have been avoided. Abe's sudden falling in love was unconvincing. The dialog in the romance scenes was painful and stilted. The cheese filled catchphrases ("You woke up the baby") stank. The convenient coincidences that moved the plot forward were annoying. Krauss was supposed to be a genius and his plan at the end was "Let's travel half-way across the world and reason with the psychopathic elf prince.
*End Spoilers*
No no, you're misremembering. Krauss' plan was to face the prince sans crown / golden army and beat him. Abe didn't tell anyone that he had the third piece of the crown when they left.
I don't they were planning on beating him. Remember that Hellboy was dying from the spear wound and it appeared that they believed his only chance was to get the Prince guy to take mercy and remove the spear. It's not like they knew that there was an angel of death waiting to bail Hellboy's ass out of spearpoint death who just happened to be hanging out in the same joint where the Prince was waiting to unleash the end of the world.
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Abe's sudden falling in love was unconvincing.
There's a word for it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=e7gDPxdLMCc) you know.
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I just saw this last night (it only came out on Thursday here) and honestly I liked it. I am not under any misguided impressions that the film was great but all in all I enjoyed it and, echoing the sentiments of this thread so far that is because the art direction (and the action) was basically flawless. It was the rest of this film that let it down. If you haven't seen it yet don't read the rest of my post, it has minor spoilers.
The opening scene with the Young Hellboy should have been left out. I loved the little CGI animation thing they did for the prologue but they could have just had John Hurt doing a voiceover over that thing. The kid that played Hellboy couldn't act for shit and it just didn't look right. They obviously just wanted to have John Hurt in it again and as I said, they would have been better off with just a voiceover and the animation.
The acting was about on-par with the first one, however the woman who played Princess Nuala cannot act. She looked great but I just didn't believe the performance at all. Contrast that against the dude who played Prince Nuada and man, I could totally believe that he was an elven prince. Dude totally sold it.
Doug Jones was good, I did notice the change in the voice but he still played it well so I was ok with it. Jeffrey Tambor gave me the shits though. In the first film he was a capable guy, officious and blustering, yeah but he knew how to talk to the press and how to cover stuff up. In this one he was a bumbling idiot and it just didn't work. The film tried too hard to be a comedy and ballsed it all up in the process.
Also, what the fuck was with the closing shot? That fucking freeze on Hellboy's shocked face was just waay too fucking cheesey for the film, they could have just stuck with a fadeout. They should have just stuck with a fadeout.
All that said, the film looked amazing and I really enjoyed it. The dialogue wasn't any worse than the first one and the story was passable. The action was awesome and the art direction was exactly what I expect from Del Toro, including the myriad of vagina imagery. I will get it on DVD, it was good, but not in a good way.