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Title: Music?
Post by: Notus on 15 Aug 2008, 16:11
Hi

I'm new around here (as is evident by my post count)

and I don't listen to music at all :x

haven't got a clue about it

and it just seems so hard to get into so i have two questions

1) does anyone here not listen to music?

2) can anyone advise me as to which music is... good? :3
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Tom on 15 Aug 2008, 16:17
Firstly, whether this music is good or not is entirely debatable/subjective and secondly, check out -if you can find them- the other "I'm new recommend me music" threads and follow the advice there.

You might like to get yourself a Last.fm (http://www.lastfm.com) account and try the following bands: Arcade Fire, Broken Social Scene, Modest Mouse, Okkervil River, Owls, Pixies, Wolf Parade and The New Pornographers. It's really hard for anyone to recommend you music at all without any further info.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Notus on 15 Aug 2008, 16:36
Sorry for being all novicey and ignorant >_<

Just whenever I try to find music I like I never ever succeed

I'd actually just prefer it if someone hand fed me some stuff so my mind would eventually adapt and like that genre

Then I could enjoy music like the majority of the other 6 billion people on this rock n.n

and I just want music for listening pleasure, and possibly to have a safety net in conversations,

I mean you can always try to chat about music if you can't think about anything else n.n"
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Tom on 15 Aug 2008, 16:41
That's kind of a shitty attitude to have.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Notus on 15 Aug 2008, 16:43
sorry :x

I guess I'll just keep away from this section of the forums then n.n"

sorry for disrupting your day and using your time :(
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Aug 2008, 16:44
Dear god...Ah well, if you start off like that and gradually becoming more individual...

I guess you can't go wrong with the top 40 (or whatever it is actually called) if you just wanna be like the majority.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Tom on 15 Aug 2008, 17:28
I thought Notus was being sarcastic.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Xaris3514 on 15 Aug 2008, 17:54
Just whenever I try to find music I like I never ever succeed

Before I started to listen to metal, I had this mentality. Even then, I was pretty hesitant to broaden my horizons. Anyway, for heavy metal, you've got a ton of options.

First there's traditional metal. You should be familiar with some of this. Bands like Black Sabbath (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SRwwYWlbP2U), Iron Maiden (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=jgqxQmAbTBc) and Judas Priest (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=TopkgGxGzQs) rule this category. Back when these bands were at the peak of popularity, they were freakishly heavy, but compared to a lot of today's stuff, they are very tame.

Next, there's thrash metal. Thrash metal is heavier and more chaotic than traditional metal. You might be familiar with some thrash metal. Megadeth, (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-YczYC2yHTM) Metallica (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-hEyVQDRA) and Slayer (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=CUDWLp1yIWw) are good examples of thrash metal.

Next, power metal. This is one of the lighter forms of metal, but has its share of bands that make some heavy stuff. Usually sung by singers with a higher vocal range or classically train opera singers and often accompanied by classical instruments, power metal emphasizes epic themes and speedy songs. Kamelot, (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=GOVW9GezQ0k) Derdian, (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mmrqtd-Mo) Blind Guardian (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=KAFaf50h7WM) and Rhapsody of Fire (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UNc0bosUyI4) are good examples of power metal.

Progressive metal is my personal favorite form of metal and is closely related to power metal. Prog metal bands usually play very complex songs, often being very long as well. Dream Theater (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=fJVQP108eM4), Symphony X (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=IeO67D99rVc) and Conception (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wM4YaYcS6IY) are three of my favorite prog metal bands.

Neo-classical metal is a genre that is heavily inspired by classical music and closely related to both power metal and progressive metal. Galneryus, (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=xPFTgqKSjZg) Stratovarius (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=lNLdTfwx5ZQ) and Apocalyptica (yes, those are indeed cellos) (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ssdd50UfOc) are good examples of neo-classical metal.

Next, Symphonic metal. Closely related to power metal, symphonic metal is almost always accompanied by classical instruments and sung by a classically trained (usually female) opera singer. Epica, (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=FfLtA8SkmVw) Nightwish (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qiZ9ULkq1xM) and Xandria (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=CYDtDUXhYAQ) are great examples of symphonic metal bands.

Folk metal is as the name describes, metal influenced from folk music. Finntroll, (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=lpDo0BdC2SU) Korpiklaani (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=M3ZhkLUcKT8) and Tyr (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=97lxvrKC-nI) are three examples of folk metal bands.

Finally, death metal. Unfortunately, this is the genre people that don't know any better think of when someone says that they listen to heavy metal. If can go from stupidly brutal to melodic, but heavy. I personally find myself only able to listen to the more melodic bands such as Amon Amarth, (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JFq2YJKYa-k) In Flames (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=O1FkbvGl-IU) and Dethklok. (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=stdqPT8LvTg&feature=related)
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Tom on 15 Aug 2008, 18:11
Xaris3514, are you a Rush fan? :-o
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Aug 2008, 18:24
C'mon there, symphonic metal and neoclassical could all just as easily be power or heavy (depending on the band) if people weren't so damn nitpicky... And also, you forgot black metal, and doom metal (two huge subgenres there). Also you forgot to mention some death metal is insanely technical. And some folk metal is pretty damn black, like nastrandir or early windir etc etc

I'm gonna stop this rant now because that wasn't a bad post really, I'm just an asshole when it comes to classifying metal.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Xaris3514 on 15 Aug 2008, 18:41
I think I forgot doom and black metal because I don't listen to doom or black metal....

Xaris3514, are you a Rush fan? :-o

Whatever game you that idea?
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Aug 2008, 18:44
Quote
I think I forgot doom and black metal because I don't listen to doom or black metal....

That's no reason to forget them, there.

You.

Also, rush are good. 'specially the early stuff (cos I ain't head the later stuff).
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Xaris3514 on 15 Aug 2008, 18:48
Yes, I know, I am ashamed of such a foolish mistake.... Even if I wouldn't have had any examples to go by....
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Notus on 15 Aug 2008, 18:54
bah bah bah total music overload @.@

and sorry if i sounded sarcastic but i try not to be sarcastic on the internet

it just confuses everything

though when i was writing it did seem super-sarcastic

maybe i was being sarcastic, but in an ironic way :D

no thats nonsensical

im 99.9% sincere

(and 0.1% scared)

but anyways thanks for the help :D im gonna write all these down and have a listen to some samples of everyone

im off tomorrow so ive got plenty of time
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Aug 2008, 18:58
Notus-glad we haven't scared you away from music.

Xaris-Oh well, no harm done. I guess I will finish it.

Black metal- Black metal is one of the more extreme forms of metal, and is characterized by blastbeat drumming, tremolo riffing, an 'evil' sound, an overall lacking amount of bass and lots of elitist fans. And, unfortunately, bad production. Good bands include Gorgoroth, Burzum, Darkthrone, and (for beginners perhaps?) Dimmu Borgir.

Doom metal- Doom metal is one of the more extreme but also varied subgenres. I believe this short piece here sums up most doom subgenres, but feel free to argue and correct me.


Doom Metal

Doom Metal is a form of metal which can be split into lots of different (sub)subgenres. Doom metal started out by bands taking influences from the slow tempos of early black sabbath and pentagram. Doom metal recieves a lot of criticism, mainly because it is so slow, and also because lots of the more fringe subgenres (sludge, drone, funeral) are not easy listening. I myself often enjoy listening to funeral and drone doom, with the occasional bit of sludge.

The types of doom metal are:

Traditional-traditional doom includes band likes candlemass, pentagram and saint vitus. It was basically slowed down heavy metal, and some bands in this category are 'epic doom'-bands that create an epic atmosphere through concept albums and fantasy lyrics.

stoner- stoner doom is close to traditional doom but with a psychedelic rock influence, and obviously a drugs influence. Music tends be very hypnotic. Bands include sleep, high on fire and electric wizard (who sometimes cross into sludge doom).

Sludge- Sludge is a type of doom that sometimes crosses into hardcore. The point of sludge is to combine slow (sometimes dissonant and abrasive) riffing with hardcore-esque vocals (sometimes). Lots of the pioneering sludge bands had a stoner attitude and influence in the music, but without the positivity and with a heavy dose of nihilism. Bands include Grief, MOSS, Monarch! and fleshpress.

Death/doom- This is a crossover of death and doom. It has spawned hundreds of bands, proving to be quite popular. Bands such as my dying bride, and dISEMBOWLMENT.

Funeral doom-Funeral doom is the second slowest of all doom subgenres. Doom puts a great deal of emphasis on the atmosphere of the music, trying to create an oppressive and despairing atmosphere. I did some bpm (beats per minute) on some funeral doom songs, and they range from 30bpm to 60bpm (normally songs range from 120-180). Its songs are quite long, often stretching above ten minutes. Funeral doom bands include pantheist, ahab, skepticism, and thergothon.

Drone doom- Drone doom is the slowest type of doom. It is even less easy listening that funeral doom, practically removing vocals, drums, and anything that makes a beat discernable. If vocals are there they are in a screaming manner, and drone doom relies a lot on the ambience and atmosphere of the music. There is no actual beat behind most of the music, so I could not try to measure the bpm. Notable bands include earth, Sunn O))), (early) Boris, and khanate.

Black/doom (dark metal) - This is a small but good subgenre of doom. It is the combination of black metal (the most emotional genre) and doom (the most atmospheric) and can create excellent results. The lyrical themes often include sadness and despair, as does the general ambience of the music, and may use black metal riffs as well as distorted doom and slow sad clean riffs. Bands include bethlehem, dolorian and (some) barathrum.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 15 Aug 2008, 19:15
Doom Metal


Quiet, while I strip bones...
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Aug 2008, 19:16
I'm not sure if I did something wrong, or something right (for once).
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Notus on 15 Aug 2008, 19:17
thanks for all the info guys :3

I'm curious though

why does it seem that so much music is related to sadness and sorrow and dolour and melancholy and pensive despair and grief and morose distress

and whatnot

I don't mean to be offensive or anything

sorry
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 15 Aug 2008, 19:24
Because pain lends itself to lyrical expression better than happiness. Everyone can relate to suffering in some form, even if it is really shallow. All the great works of poetry, to my mind anyway, all the pieces of art, of film, of music that get a visceral reaction from their audience are based around grief, sadness and despair because it is something that everyone has or at least will experience.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Aug 2008, 19:25
Because we are sad people.

Has anybody recommended conor oberst's self titled album? Because I just discovered it and have been playing it all day.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Jackie Blue on 15 Aug 2008, 19:33
why does it seem that so much music is related to sadness and sorrow and dolour and melancholy and pensive despair and grief and morose distress

Because existance is pain.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Notus on 15 Aug 2008, 19:39
oh ok

I suppose that makes sense n.n

I'm generally happy though... and meek :D

but i think i best be going to bed now, I'll readover the topic in the morning when i can focus more and i can listen to music via something other than my sucky psp headphones

maybe i should buy an iPod or similar device :o

it'd help me like... listen to music [/innane]

n.n"

anyways gnight and thanks guys (and girls if any girls answered and i accidentally called them guys because im sorry and thats sexist @.@)
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Aug 2008, 19:42
why does it seem that so much music is related to sadness and sorrow and dolour and melancholy and pensive despair and grief and morose distress

Because existance is pain.

And anyone that tells you different is selling something. Probably prozac.

Notus, listen to the Beatles. A good amount of that is cheerful. For the most part, I think it is right that sadness is easier to convey than happiness. Sad music can also be Cathartic (sp?), I remember hearing a blues player say that even though the blues is about sad stuff, after you are done playing, you feel happy.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Xaris3514 on 15 Aug 2008, 19:49
Machinae Supremacy. (http://www.machinaesupremacy.com) Dropping back into metal here. Machinae Supremacy generally writes songs that are meant to inspire the listener to take life how you want. Unfortunately, their website only links to their myspace at the moment because they have 3 albums worth of music for free download.

EDIT: I found the link to their free tracks. They can be found here. (http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/masusite/ugmusic.html)
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: MadassAlex on 16 Aug 2008, 03:49
Okay.

Just listen to Iron Maiden.

Drop every other band in this thread and start at Iron Maiden.

They're accessible, quite popular, mildly technical, exciting and generally goddamned excellent. Heaps of people love the hell out of Iron Maiden, even if they dislike metal. This is probably because it's hard to deny that Iron Maiden are pretty much just a Good Band.

Go on YouTube and look up these songs:

- The Trooper
- Number Of The Beast
- Run To The Hills
- Fear Of The Dark
- Hallowed Be Thy Name
- Iron Maiden (it's their self-titled song)
- Wrathchild
- Aces High

That's basically Iron Maiden in a nutshell. It leaves out their more progressive stuff, but those songs will give you a good idea of what Iron Maiden are about, musically, and what you can expect from them in the future.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Wraithzor on 16 Aug 2008, 06:24
Why not try out the things you see being mentioned in the comic since that's probably what brought you here. Then again, some of those things might be a bit too 'advanced'... But it's a start.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Durin on 16 Aug 2008, 06:46
I'm sure some are going to roll their eyes, but Blink 182 is somewhat accessible. Blink 182 was the first band I really got into when I was a rather young lad, so I figure it'd make a decent stepping stone for someone really unfamiliar with music like I was.

All the Small Things (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDV4E9ldelM)
Adam's Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmLa_W_afH4)


Title: Re: Music?
Post by: bbqrocks on 16 Aug 2008, 07:22
why does it seem that so much music is related to sadness and sorrow and dolour and melancholy and pensive despair and grief and morose distress

Because existance is pain.

And anyone that tells you different is selling something. Probably prozac.

Notus, listen to the Beatles. A good amount of that is cheerful. For the most part, I think it is right that sadness is easier to convey than happiness. Sad music can also be Cathartic (sp?), I remember hearing a blues player say that even though the blues is about sad stuff, after you are done playing, you feel happy.

I would recommend the beatles too. As for me, I started at the 'abbey road' album and that did it for me, but some other people may think a better album is a starting place.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Nodaisho on 16 Aug 2008, 11:40
I started with A Hard Day's Night and 1. Abbey road is better than those, though.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: StaedlerMars on 16 Aug 2008, 16:14
Or you could just get the compilation albums (blue and red). They're all around great to get into the Beatles, and probably better value for money.

You might also want to try out the Rolling Stones' "Sticky Fingers".

Outkast's "southerplayalistic..." (what's it called again?)

Beastie Boys' "License To Ill"

Bob Dylan's "Blood on The Tracks"

I think some of these are pretty basic musical varieties. You don't have to start going all in depth like some of these guys are suggesting. Try to find something you like first, maybe then come back. (This is also abouts where I started to listen to music, right after Blink 182, etc)
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Leinad on 16 Aug 2008, 16:25
The first CD I ever listened to all the way through was one by a rapper called The Keeper, which I believe is classified as "Devil Rap". From there I moved on to some Korn, then Linkin Park, and now I listen to shit-crazy stuff, and feel dirty if I admit to liking popular bands like MCR, Green Day, Bayside and such.

Also, if you want some nice, awesome hardcore/metalcore check out August Burns Red (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qtk9c6ZGcM).
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Jackie Blue on 16 Aug 2008, 18:36
Blink 182 is somewhat accessible

So is pouring bleach down your throat.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Leinad on 16 Aug 2008, 19:08
They both seemed like good ideas til you tried it and are normally done after swallowing something you regret...
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: gardenhead_ on 16 Aug 2008, 20:47
Blink 182 is somewhat accessible

So is pouring bleach down your throat.


You said it so much more eloquently than I ever could have.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Be My Head on 16 Aug 2008, 21:57
I'm going to give you some of the songs that made me want to look for new music and expand my tastes. Hopefully this will help you and give you a headstart on finding some music. Or at the very least give you some perspective on what you like and don't like.

It's youtube, so don't expect top notch sound quality, but I'm guessing that won't matter much with you.

Fight Test - The Flaming Lips (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZHAWyyn7Do)

Ramble On - Led Zeppelin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5ZLyY9w0Y)

Paranoid Android - Radiohead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8asQsfn82E)

Those are, I think, some fairly easily accessible songs.

As someone else mentioned, you should get a last.fm account, they're very useful. Also, read wikipedia articles on bands you already like and look for associated acts, as well as the "similar artists" feature on last.fm.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: sean on 20 Aug 2008, 16:33
Dogg that link is long dead.

Though I do think it is for sale now. Support good music!
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Aug 2008, 17:10
'Strawberry Fields Forever' as an example of joy? 'Help!'???? Do you actually listen to those songs? 'Help!' was John crying out to people for help in the form of a song he always regretted making more uptempo. Listen to the lyrics, man.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: MrBlu on 20 Aug 2008, 19:03
Try Jazz. Everyone likes Jazz.

John Coltrane, Thelonius Monk, Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Be My Head on 20 Aug 2008, 19:12
Everyone loves Jazz? News to me : P

I love me some Miles and a little Mahavishnu Orchestra, but that stuff is far from easily accessible, at least in my opinion.

Maybe the more traditional Jazz, like psh-chicka-chicka-chicak-psh kind of stuff. But the good stuff is Fusion, and that's more along the lines of what I would call progressive song structures. Like Miles Davis' "Bitches Brew" or Mahavishnu's "Birds of Fire" albums, not really easy to get into.

In my opinion, a good introduction to Jazzy kind of music would be...

Constipated Duck by Jeff Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJo8j5N36KQ) (incidentally the best song title ever)

That whole album is killer.


Title: Re: Music?
Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 20 Aug 2008, 20:49
he is clearly talking about me. and by me i mean the album that is my username.   :lol:

okay i'm not going to be a jerkface.  notus, the music i listen to isn't very accessible so i doubt i can help you.  i do think it's a bit odd that you claim that you don't listen to anything ever though. are you just saying that so people here won't make fun of your taste?
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Spluff on 21 Aug 2008, 03:21
Constipated Duck by Jeff Beck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJo8j5N36KQ) (incidentally the best song title ever)

That whole album is killer.

I heartily endorse this post and/or service.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Notus on 21 Aug 2008, 03:28
Sorry my exam results came out recently and I've been worrying @.@

But I'm back now :D

I'll have to look through all those links (again bah bah bah music overload)

But it's my birthday tomorrow and exam stuff today, so it'll be a little while

And honestly I never listen to music, unless you count like background music in adverts or something obscure and nit-pickety like that

:S
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: pwhodges on 21 Aug 2008, 03:45
For all we know, you'd love classical music. 8-)  Shostakovich and Prokofiev seem to have some particular fans around here, and you can find a bundle of them in the mediafire thread.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: tuna ketchup x on 21 Aug 2008, 06:45
It's just... so difficult to imagine someone who doesn't listen to music. I don't want to make you feel like a freak, man, but seriously, wow. Then again, I guess I can kind of understand, because my sister only buys albums advertised on the Disney Channel and that's only because she thinks she'll get made fun of if she listens to any other kind of music. (My sister is pretty lame, I've tried to turn her around, no go.) So at least you're not just pretending to like things in order to fit in and are trying to search for things you like. But saying you don't listen to music is like saying "I don't care about color" or "I'd be perfectly happy eating nothing but Saltines for the rest of my life." A major part of life is missing for you if you don't listen to music.

My suggestion: greatest hits collections and lots of them. The Beatles #1 would be a good place to start, because every song on that comp is accessible and some are upbeat. Once you've isolated a few songs you like from there, you can hunt down the full albums the songs came from. This would work with any GH compilation. And they are usually cheaper than true albums. Some "indie" bands that I like that have greatest hits* albums that are actually fairly representative: Dinosaur Jr., Sonic Youth, Jesus and Mary Chain, Yo La Tengo, Daniel Johnston (the "Welcome to my World" disc), Pixies. Once you listen to a comp and basically get the "feel" of a band you might be tempted to seek out more of their albums, or if not, strike them from the list. Then look for more.

(*the term "hit" being relative in many of these cases, think of it more as a retrospective)

Accessible? That depends on who you ask... I don't find any metal to be accessible and I've tried to listen to a wide variety of it. I guess I mostly listen to "indie/alternative" along with past greats like the Beatles, Beach Boys, and Dylan. Without any information, even cursory, about your taste it's hard to recommend things, you know? For all we know your favorite music might turn out to be tribal chants of the Masai warriors.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: allison on 21 Aug 2008, 08:34
www.myspace.com/dannymichel (http://www.myspace.com/dannymichel)
www.myspace.com/earlstevensonandtheearlybirds (http://www.myspace.com/earlstevensonandtheearlybirds)
www.myspace.com/illscarlett (http://www.myspace.com/illscarlett)

it's just some stuff i like. who knows what you'll think. it's pretty easy listening. so try it out! couldn't hurt, right?
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Notus on 21 Aug 2008, 09:53
Just saying,

THANKS EVERYONE

for being so helpful towards me n.n

erm...

yay :D
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Xaris3514 on 21 Aug 2008, 09:58
Find anything you like yet?
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 21 Aug 2008, 12:23
As far as I can tell, if you listen to their new album, it will not be possible for you to dislike Wintersleep. In other words, listen to Wintersleep.
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Notus on 24 Aug 2008, 16:54
Okay I've clicked all but one post's worth of links and have found...

1 so far that I actually liked n.n"

And there've been a few in a pm which have caught my eye (or ear)

I made a last.fm account but I haven't used it... practically at all yet

just an update n.n"
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Beast on 25 Aug 2008, 13:57
Okay I've clicked all but one post's worth of links and have found...

1 so far that I actually liked n.n"

And there've been a few in a pm which have caught my eye (or ear)

I made a last.fm account but I haven't used it... practically at all yet

just an update n.n"

Which one? I'm interested
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: Beast on 25 Aug 2008, 14:25
Ah, Sloan rocks ass
Title: Re: Music?
Post by: allison on 27 Aug 2008, 09:54
Ah, Sloan rocks ass

I just feel like that's not something that needs to be stated. I think knowing that Sloan rocks ass is innate, like knowing how to breathe.