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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: MC on 31 Oct 2008, 12:21
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I dunno about you but I'm having an absulute blast just watching Faye and Sven's "relationship". I think it's just hilarious. It got me thinking.... does anyone else know of "couples" that have this type of "relationship?"
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Yes, it's typically called "friends with benefits", and it's not a good idea.
We all want sexual freedom and sexual power, but sharing that kind of intimacy just to scratch an itch? It leaves you vulnerable and doesn't lead to a mutually rewarding relationship (short term satisfaction does NOT lead to long term mutual respect and commitment).
I have an inkling that Faye is going to learn that the hard way.
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I wouldn't exactly call this one "friends with benefits" though. Mostly because I think it's much more complex than that. What I personally find funny about it is the complexity of it. Like here's an ex-womanizer who calls himself an ex-womanizer simply because he changed from having sex with all sorts of women all the time to having sex with only one woman all the time. And that one woman hates the "womanizer" position yet she is the only one who is involved in the "womanizers" life. it's just funny :P
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If they were on Facebook, they'd be "it's complicated".
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I think that two mature people who know what they do and don't want can have a "friends with benefits" relationship very successfully.
Not that I think Sven and Faye are mature ;) but I don't think that's what they're doing anyway.
Did anyone else notice that the sign in the mirror is backwards? (By backward I mean not mirrored?)
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yes, everyone did.
Yes I know I screwed up
the sign in the bathroom stop
emailing me about it
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The relationship seems to be one sided. Sven hasn't changed at all. Only person compromising their morals is Faye. Wonder how many girls actually go thru that same dilemma just to get laid...
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Actually, I see Sven's current approach to be a hurt reaction to Faye's semi-rejection of him.
He deliberately forsook his ways as a philanderer. She then aggressively approached him and used him for sex. Given that she previously reproached him for being a philanderer, this makes her a hypocrite.
He then began to pursue a more meaningful relationship with her, which she rejected.
Now she turns to him for meaningful comfort and his response is to low-bid her; he offers her something shallow.
Initially she rejects it, but then accepts it. Perhaps she feels that's the best she can get? The best she deserves?
Frankly, Sven was offering more at the beginning, though I think he was approaching a deep relationship from a shallow perspective (it was his first attempt and, really, how well does he know Faye?). Still, he offered and she rejected. His response is what she should expect. He offered more, she rejected it. Now she's asking for more and it would be selfish of her to expect him to just say "Yay! Hugs!"
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Sven's story: historically casual/shallow man, used to relationships that started with sex and often didn't go anywhere else, decides that he has met a woman who's totally worth a change in his behavior. Her disapproval of his womanizing ways challenges him to maybe get a little more serious about sex and relationships, so he tries. He approaches her with an offer for a relationship that doesn't start with sex, and is rejected, because she does not trust him and she believes that he is being dishonest, and will in fact only care about the relationship for the sexual aspect. She appears, then, to be turned on enough by the prospect of sex with him that SHE starts a relationship with sex, turning the tables on him rather neatly and giving him a bit of a headfuck. He rapidly recovers and falls into the pattern of casual sex that he used to be in, going with the flow that she offered when she first started a sexual relationship with him. He is now, presumably, willing to engage in a casual relationship with her (within reason), and also possibly willing to engage in something more if she seems receptive to it (which so far she has not).
Faye's story: historically neurotic woman, who finds it very difficult to trust others enough to be intimate with them, believes that her friend's brother is precisely the type of man who is to blame for people feeling the way she does (in that he seems to be cavalier in his treatment of the intimacy of others, and does not seem to be capable, or at least is unwilling, to engage in deeply intimate relationships). This, of course, repulses her during a time when she is desperately trying to come to terms with the blockages against intimacy that she carried around inside herself. After a series of situations that teach her that those blockages are doing far more to hurt her than anyone outside of herself, she decides to try to break them down by throwing herself into a sexual relationship with someone who seems to be safe (in that he will not ask her to be intimate with him). When he acts like someone who WOULD in fact like intimacy, she responds with skepticism and rejection, beliving him to be using the same old womanizing tricks on her that he must have used on other girls (in reality, the only "trick" Sven seems to use is the trick of telling a girl that he is attracted to her and hoping that the feeling is mutual). However, the intimacy-building influence of having sex with someone is steadily wearing down on her emotional blockages, bringing her out of her shell.
This is a great situation for both of them. Faye is challenging Sven to improve himself by getting better at deep intimacy, and Sven is challenging Faye to improve herself by overcoming her aversion to intimacy. They're good for each other right now, as long as they don't make any huge, dumb mistakes.
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Personally, I'm just hoping when she stops by at eleven he just pulls out a deck of cards.
What? Cards can be fun.
And I like it when Faye feels sheepish.
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that's actually pretty darn plausible. "you can come over and we can have a little fun" usually.... but doesn't always mean "have sex"
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Yes, it's typically called "friends with benefits", and it's not a good idea.
We all want sexual freedom and sexual power, but sharing that kind of intimacy just to scratch an itch? It leaves you vulnerable and doesn't lead to a mutually rewarding relationship (short term satisfaction does NOT lead to long term mutual respect and commitment).
I have an inkling that Faye is going to learn that the hard way.
This.
I honestly don't think the relationship is going anywhere. If it does, it will have some explosions of drama.
Disgusting.
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"They're good for each other right now, as long as they don't make any huge, dumb mistakes."
um ... does anyone else see the potentiality waiting here like Thermite?
Faye (Rusted Heart) + Sven (Shiny, Reflectall Aluminium Heart) + pressure = BAWOOOOOOOOOOM!
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There's something about appearance that Jeph has, where he makes them hook up. Dora and Marten look almost related, and Faye and Sven, both brown-haired with glasses.
Next, Hannelore hooks up with a hat rack! Hooray
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Only if the hat rack is blond.
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Naw, she'll hook up with one of these
(http://www.calvintang.com/albums/Philippines/lg/big%20eyes4s.jpg)
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that's actually pretty darn plausible. "you can come over and we can have a little fun" usually.... but doesn't always mean "have sex"
I've never in my life used fun as a euphemism for sex.
Then again, I generally don't use euphemisms.
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Only if the hat rack is blond.
Ahh the plot thickens, when we find out that the hat rack is wearing the worry hat, thus we are unable to see what colour hair it has. Hanners thinks the rack has the same problems as she and they live happily ever after
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Did anyone else notice that if you were looking at the "Must wash hands" sign it would all be backwards?
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Did you read any other posts before adding that contribution?
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Aww, it's the guy;s first post. Let's cut him some slack
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Did anyone else notice that if you were looking at the "Must wash hands" sign it would all be backwards?
:roll:
man poor Jeph... I wonder how emails he got regarding this. I aint ever being a webcomic author :P
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They're good for each other right now, as long as they don't make any huge, dumb mistakes.
This is QC.
Those are some really good observations though.
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Did anyone else notice that if you were looking at the "Must wash hands" sign it would all be backwards?
Daft fools, it's another Coffee of Doom quirk. They read the sign as they appraoch the sink, cos they see it in the mirror, and it reminds them to wash their hands. Why else would be on the other side of the room to where the sink is, written backwards and conveniantly place just in front of the mirror.
I say good job to Jeph for that one
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If they had forgotten to wash their hands, they wouldn't approach the sink, they would just walk out without looking at it, let alone the mirror.
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Not if they were checking their hair, which, being women, they would always do when leaving the bathroom.
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Did anyone else notice that if you were looking at the "Must wash hands" sign it would all be backwards?
Everytime you see something like that in QC, a wizzard did it.
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Faye and Sven are not doomed to catastrophe. Good relationships can come out of weird situations.
My current relationship started as "friends with benefits." This situation was not without drama. In fact, it involved relatives of friends and suicide attempts, so it's not that far off from Faye and Sven. It somehow turned into the longest and least painful serious relationship I've had so far. I'm just sayin, people meet and hook up in weird ways. Even the worst start can lead to an okay finish.
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I agree with DBR. Friends with benefits is not for everyone, but that doesn't mean it's not for anyone.
Also, I don't get why Faye was shitty with Sven. If I were in Sven's place then under their current circumstances her wording of "I need to let off some steam" would have lead me to think she just wanted to bang. If she wanted to relax and unwind with someone instead she should have chose a more precise wording.
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I read it as she was saying "I want dinner and a movie" and that sounds like "I want a date". Sven replied with "You said we can't do that, but if you wanna bang, cool." Or at least that's what it sounded like... He almost certainly meant "I'm busy for dinner [ie can't date because you said we can't do that], but we can hang out later."
In short, they're talking past each other and miss-hearing.
She wanted 'friend time', he heard 'date'. He responded with 'friend time', and she heard 'sex'.
She accepted.
Cue humorous misunderstanding.
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I read it as she was saying "I want dinner and a movie" and that sounds like "I want a date". Sven replied with "You said we can't do that, but if you wanna bang, cool." Or at least that's what it sounded like... He almost certainly meant "I'm busy for dinner [ie can't date because you said we can't do that], but we can hang out later."
In short, they're talking past each other and miss-hearing.
She wanted 'friend time', he heard 'date'. He responded with 'friend time', and she heard 'sex'.
She accepted.
Cue humorous misunderstanding.
Solution: Become Asexual!
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yeah that would be helpful :P to bad becoming asexual is not a deliberate choice :P kind of a bummer :P oh the drama I'd save myself :P
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I'm just so worried that Sven and the intern are going to do the deed sooner or later and then Faye will be heartbroken (once again).
I have been in Fayes shoes and I have to say, that it is impossible not to fall in love with the man you are sleeping with.
A womans brain releases so much Oxytocin during sex and Oxytocin is the same hormone that makes new mothers love their babies.
So for women:
sex=oxytocin=love
This will end in tears I tell you!
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There was, as I recall, a poll on this.
Most people said "fuck buddies".
Go figure.
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Actually, I see Sven's current approach to be a hurt reaction to Faye's semi-rejection of him.
He deliberately forsook his ways as a philanderer. She then aggressively approached him and used him for sex. Given that she previously reproached him for being a philanderer, this makes her a hypocrite.
He then began to pursue a more meaningful relationship with her, which she rejected.
Now she turns to him for meaningful comfort and his response is to low-bid her; he offers her something shallow.
Initially she rejects it, but then accepts it. Perhaps she feels that's the best she can get? The best she deserves?
Frankly, Sven was offering more at the beginning, though I think he was approaching a deep relationship from a shallow perspective (it was his first attempt and, really, how well does he know Faye?). Still, he offered and she rejected. His response is what she should expect. He offered more, she rejected it. Now she's asking for more and it would be selfish of her to expect him to just say "Yay! Hugs!"
Bah, to much analysis, just say fuck Faye or something?
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I have been in Fayes shoes and I have to say, that it is impossible not to fall in love with the man you are sleeping with.
A womans brain releases so much Oxytocin during sex and Oxytocin is the same hormone that makes new mothers love their babies.
sex=oxytocin=love
I've done this twice.
First time, it lasted five months, we were both with other people now and again, and while there was an emotional connection- I didn't love him. Even in my self-hating days I couldn't love someone wuite THAT self-absorbed. He was good in bed though. It ended when he got in an actual relationship.
Second time- heh. We've been together coming up to six years and we set a date for the wedding six months ago. So, I guess that one turned pretty much into love.
I'm not sure about the science involved, but I do know that women often- not always, but often- have a stronger emotional reaction to sex. Women often struggle to see sex as separate to your feelings for someone, whereas many men can have sex with someone they dislike but think is 'hot'. It's certainly not true in all cases, but if anyone can divorce sex from emotional responses it's Sven, and if anyone is emotionally needy enough to mistake sex for affection it's Faye.
Unfortunately, as I know to my cost and from several of my female friends, many girls with absent or abusive fathers, or indeed a girl who saw her father commit suicide in front of her, can get a somewhat screwy idea of what male behavior is like. They don't get a full education abut socializing with the opposite gender, and when sex comes along and their emotional response hits as well, they can be... confused. They mistake sex for love, and as they feel unloved, they will take what they can get.
I feel for Faye, because while I've not been in that exact situation, I have been in a similar one.
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i would really like faye and sven to be together. they seem like such a good couple/ but with faye's personality and attitude, i guess she wouldn't want to be in a relationship with him. so they're only friends with benefits? doesn't work out if theres personal feelings. but i guess there ok for now. but remember before when faye was acting jealous? but yea, sven actually stepped up and seemed to show he likes her:
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/UniCornVamp3z/fayeandsven.jpg)
i really liked that part. so sweet. but i wonder how it would be if they were a couple though? would faye lose her flair? i don't know. i guess it all depends on what jeph does. but i really do hope they end up together in the end :wink:
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Your love is like bad medicine
Bad medicine is what I need
Shake it up, just like bad medicine
There ain't no doctor that can cure my disease
:-D
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Unfortunately, as I know to my cost and from several of my female friends, many girls with absent or abusive fathers, or indeed a girl who saw her father commit suicide in front of her, can get a somewhat screwy idea of what male behavior is like. They don't get a full education abut socializing with the opposite gender, and when sex comes along and their emotional response hits as well, they can be... confused. They mistake sex for love, and as they feel unloved, they will take what they can get.
I feel for Faye, because while I've not been in that exact situation, I have been in a similar one.
Well, I don't think that applies to Faye. She had a healthy relationship with her father during her formative years (even telling him about losing her virginity and all) and had all the regular experiences a girl her age would have with the boys, so it's not like she never had a paternal figure; or sex, or romantic relationships with boys. She is not confused about sex, nor does she mistake sex for love. She doesn't feel unloved (hello!! she's aware of Marten's feelings from day one!!) nor is she taking what she can get.
She was attracted to Sven early on (and even more so after he did the "come hither" look on her and Hannelore), even though he seemed to represent everything she hates in a guy. Despite that, it's him she always kept going to when she needed to talk, vent, or unwind even before they started having sex.
I think their relationship works because he's a "punching bag" that punches her right back, as opposed to Marten who wouldn't reciprocate. Faye needs someone who treats her like an equal (who else would whack her in the head with a magazine??) and gives her a sense of distance and proximity at the same time.
She now respects him a bit more and is coming to terms with the attraction she feels.
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Well, I don't think that applies to Faye. She had a healthy relationship with her father during her formative years (even telling him about losing her virginity and all) and had all the regular experiences a girl her age would have with the boys, so it's not like she never had a paternal figure; or sex, or romantic relationships with boys. She is not confused about sex, nor does she mistake sex for love. She doesn't feel unloved (hello!! she's aware of Marten's feelings from day one!!) nor is she taking what she can get.
She was attracted to Sven early on (and even more so after he did the "come hither" look on her and Hannelore), even though he seemed to represent everything she hates in a guy. Despite that, it's him she always kept going to when she needed to talk, vent, or unwind even before they started having sex.
I think their relationship works because he's a "punching bag" that punches her right back, as opposed to Marten who wouldn't reciprocate. Faye needs someone who treats her like an equal (who else would whack her in the head with a magazine??) and gives her a sense of distance and proximity at the same time.
She now respects him a bit more and is coming to terms with the attraction she feels.
Yeah that's what I think. I don't think there's that much psychology when it comes to Sven; in fact I don't think it comes in at all. It's just your typical "girl-hates-boy-but-actually-feels-for-him" thing. Now when she gets down to The Talk, like she did to Marten, now that could be interesting
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The Talk could be interesting cause it's Sven and not Marten. Marten is your typical nice and tolerant dude, Sven on the other hand just doesn't give a fuck. The Talk last time consisted of "I know you like me, I have a horrible story though and now you all have to hear it, I am emotionally fucked up and i know I should've told you this sooner but... you know how that goes. Oh and i have news for you, get over me, cause I'm STILL not gonna give you what you want."
Dora has said Sven won't put up with Faye's shit.... and I have a knack to believe she's right.
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It's not that Sven doesn't give a shit; I think he genuinely cares for her.
It's just that he won't let her wallow. He'll kick her ass and encourage her to move on. I believe he whacked her on the head with a rolled up magazine once.
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I sincerely hope that Faye and Sven resolve their odd, convoluted situation. I'm rather rooting for them to end it in each other's beds, but I forsee drama with Angus McPhee(?). Hope it gets resolved soon(hint hint: hop to it, Jeph)
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The rolled-up magazine was in number 984.
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but I forsee drama with Angus McPhee(?)
What drama? Sven doesn't know him and Faye doesn't like him.
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I have been in Fayes shoes and I have to say, that it is impossible not to fall in love with the man you are sleeping with.
A womans brain releases so much Oxytocin during sex and Oxytocin is the same hormone that makes new mothers love their babies.
So for women:
sex=oxytocin=love
If you'd said PEOPLE I might have agreed with you. I've know plenty of PEOPLE who seemed to think that sex meant a loving relationship. You had to say women, though, and therefore I call bullshit.
I am female, and I have found that it is quite possible not to fall in love with someone you are sleeping with. I've known both women and men who felt the same way as I do, and I've also known people of both sexes who became emotionally involved with anyone they were intimate with physically. If anything, I've known more MEN who became emotionally attached, and more women who said "Um, you were just a fuck, okay?" Of course, there is a whole can of worms to open regarding the fact that a woman who says this is liberated, while a guy who says this is an asshole.
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I'm just so worried that Sven and the intern are going to do the deed sooner or later and then Faye will be heartbroken (once again).
I have been in Fayes shoes and I have to say, that it is impossible not to fall in love with the man you are sleeping with.
A womans brain releases so much Oxytocin during sex and Oxytocin is the same hormone that makes new mothers love their babies.
So for women:
sex=oxytocin=love
This will end in tears I tell you!
Puny Earthlings and your tiny, easily-hijacked brains. Your race shall be easy to conquer and rule!
Muahahaha!
</Morbo>
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Faye doesn't like him.
The meta-drama my feeble mind concieves of is exactly because of that. Faye's method of genuinely considering a relationship seems to be completely denying it right up until the point when she DIRECTLY adresses it. She's doing the same thing with Sven, having denied repeatedly having any sort of desire to have a relationship with him, yet current development seems to be pointing to a more intimate nature between her and Sven. Now of course it could just be a completely tangental development with Mr. McPhee, but authors rarely introduce romantically inclined things that have NO bearing to the plot. Thusly I forsee drama. Quod Erat Demonstrandum :roll:
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Of course, there is a whole can of worms to open regarding the fact that a woman who says this is liberated, while a guy who says this is an asshole.
Or, the woman who says that is a slut.
I fucking hate the sexual dichotomy dynamic of human cultures. :x
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Virgin <-----> Whore
Choose wisely.
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i would really like faye and sven to be together. they seem like such a good couple/ but with faye's personality and attitude, i guess she wouldn't want to be in a relationship with him. so they're only friends with benefits? doesn't work out if theres personal feelings. but i guess there ok for now. but remember before when faye was acting jealous? but yea, sven actually stepped up and seemed to show he likes her:
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg55/UniCornVamp3z/fayeandsven.jpg)
i really liked that part. so sweet. but i wonder how it would be if they were a couple though? would faye lose her flair? i don't know. i guess it all depends on what jeph does. but i really do hope they end up together in the end :wink:
I have to agree here, I remember getting annoyed when Dora kissed Martin, because I think that Faye really needs someone to love... And now there's Sven!
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Unfortunately, as much as I think Faye and Sven have the right chemistry to be together in a more serious sense - e.g. that he's sassy enough to not put up with her crap and she's just expectant enough to require him to grow up - I do believe that this current itteration is going to go drama-tits-up.
Scenarios in order of my idea of likelihood:
1. Sven will fall in bed with the intern and Faye will walk in on them/find out immediately in some terribly akward way. Faye will be terribly hurt and super angry and probably isolate herself somewhere to cry after storming off. Sven may or may not feel really bad for hurting her - he will get a holocaust-bad chewing out by his sister. He may realize that he a) likes her and made a stupid mistake, or b) is only her friend and has hurt her and made a terrible mistake, or c) is really an asshole the way she thinks he is, doesn't like or dislike her, and drop into self-pity and change, or d) shrug it off like a complete asshole.
2. Faye will crack and have the "talk" with him in an attempt to generate some safe distance. She will angst about it, talk to her shrink and Dora about it, Dora may or may not be sympathetic but not the right way and Faye will turn to anger to deal with her discomfort. This talk may even be precipitated by the intern - Faye has a habit of obsessing about small details and she may leave today and begin building up scenarios that piss her off - this might generate her need to put distance up. I don't think Sven will react well to the distance thing, I think it will poke him in the ego and he'll retaliate by acting like a jerk - like he doesn't care or her distance is unimportant to him. They'll both be bitter and somewhat angsty about it and will not want to talk about it to anyone - while the secretly fume and or think about it in off moments.
3. Least likely: Faye will get uncomfortable and crack and Sven really wont care about it. Faye will be confused and hurt, especially if Sven picks up with someone quickly afterwards - like the intern - and will do some introspective work, probably will be sassy and awful to Sven in general, but it wont cause undue drama.
Either way, I don't think this friends with bennies situation is good for either of them - and I'm not a person with a grudge against friends with bennies - I just think that Sven's ego is too fragile, he cares too much about Faye as a person (she's not an object in his life, though he's trying hard to make her into one and may be succeeding), and Faye is too emotionally damaged to handle the perceived rejection/betrayal that the inevitable state change of friends with bennies brings up - that is, when Sven starts seeing someone else.
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I reckon option number two seems like the most likely in my opinion.
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I don't think Sven will react well to the distance thing, I think it will poke him in the ego and he'll retaliate by acting like a jerk - like he doesn't care or her distance is unimportant to him. They'll both be bitter and somewhat angsty about it and will not want to talk about it to anyone - while the secretly fume and or think about it in off moments.
All I could think about as I read this was "S-stupid Faye... it's not like I like you or anything... ~tsundere~"
Clearly I've been on 4chan too long.
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Sven will fall in bed with the intern and Faye will walk in on them/find out immediately in some terribly akward way. Faye will be terribly hurt and super angry and probably isolate herself somewhere to cry after storming off.
Ah, the old "not what it looks like" plot twist? Sadly, the only thing I could think of when you mentioned that was the many shonen I've read over my life. Sooo many of the convoluted twists could easily be serviced with a small helping of Fridge Logic(http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic), a slap, and a hearty yawp of "BITCH PLEASE!"(both genders too).
All I could think about as I read this was "S-stupid Faye... it's not like I like you or anything... ~tsundere~"
/agree.
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I don't know about y'all (did I really just type that?), but I'm waiting for what I call the breakdown. The big moment when Faye gets fed up and tells Martin that she isn't in love with Sven at all, that they just fuck sometimes. And then Martian tells her that he still and always loves her. The smootching comming afterwards will result in Dora noticing and stuff. I think that would make for some serious QC drama, as well as hold potential for some seriously funny punchlines with Pintsize.
But that just happens to be what I want to happen.
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Sven is not going to fuck the intern, she's not remotely attractive to him (Steven should meet her, though- but I think she's probably lesbian and should hook up with Tai).
Faye doesn't need to have "the talk" with Sven; Marten shared "the talk" with Dora and Dora already told Sven about it, so everybody in that circle of friends has implicitly heard "the talk". Besides, why would she have "the talk" with him? she already fucked him (and continues to do so)! "The talk" was Faye's proverbial "it's not you, it's me" blow off to Marten, nothing else. She told Dora she had feelings for Marten, but what were those feelings? In my opinion, she said that just to fuck Dora's mind. She knew Dora would feel guilty and insecure, so she did it because, let's face it, Faye has a bit of a mean side...
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All I'm going to say is that with today's strip, it looks like we're about to see the hidden conflicts/issues come to a boiling point.
Let's see how thumbcat's ideas hold up.
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I don't think Sven is being an asshole in today's comic, I just think he's being honest.
I think they didn't have a serious enough talk about how the "relationship" was going to work before they started fucking regularly. You need to have clear boundaries in this kind of a thing...Sven is clearly okay with it not being monogamous and Faye isn't, so they probably shouldn't have taken it past the initial hookup (and maybe a couple more for good measure).
If I were Faye I would cut it off here and try to move on...now that she's tasted teh sex for the first time in a while and it didn't destroy her emotionally, maybe she can start dating again. Is she over Marten? Meh, who knows.
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Yes, it's typically called "friends with benefits", and it's not a good idea.
We all want sexual freedom and sexual power, but sharing that kind of intimacy just to scratch an itch? It leaves you vulnerable and doesn't lead to a mutually rewarding relationship (short term satisfaction does NOT lead to long term mutual respect and commitment).
I have an inkling that Faye is going to learn that the hard way.
We keep coming back to this post.
First off, "Friends with Benefits" is a good idea to the one who likes it. The other, who may be in it for more emotional reasons...this is a bad idea. When both are shallow and only want sex from one another until they find steady "real" mates, it works, except that one will inevitably find a mate before the other leaving the other without the "benefits" anymore. That's the only downside I see.
As far as Faye learning that the hard way, I hope she does! Having followed the strip via the archives, I despise the bitch. Every time Sven does something assholish to her, I do a little dance. I get my jollies on watching Faye reap the rewards she so richly deserves by how she treated Marten.
It's no small wonder that I relate to this situation, having had this happen to me recently, only after MY "Faye" got done with "Sven" she came crawling back to me after he moved on to greener pastures. I did not, of course, accept her back, but there were a lot of things I WANTED to say that I didn't.
So yeah, I guess we all read this comic for different reasons. Marten's a wuss but Dora's good for him. Hannelore is DARLING - love her dearly...wouldn't sleep with her, but love her nonetheless. Sven -- I have a buddy, a musician, who looks almost EXACTLY like him, but without his success with the ladies...I'm trying to get him to read this comic so he can see that he, like Sven, can get all the ladies if he'll just be more of a jerk...and then there's Faye, who is my own personal whipping girl in this world.
Thanks, Jeph, for giving me something that gives me so much entertainment. I also want to mention that I absolutely appreciate the final strip for 2008 to be a verbal bitch-slap for Faye.
Thank you, Thank you, THANK YOU!!!
The big moment when Faye gets fed up and tells Martin that she isn't in love with Sven at all, that they just fuck sometimes. And then Martian tells her that he still and always loves her. The smootching comming afterwards will result in Dora noticing and stuff. I think that would make for some serious QC drama, as well as hold potential for some seriously funny punchlines with Pintsize.
Oh great sweet merciful crap I hope not. Faye doesn't DESERVE Marten. Faye deserves heartbreak and misery. The sad thing is, if Dora wasn't around to keep Faye from screwing with Marten's hormones, I could see that happening exactly. If Dora ever goes on an unexpected business trip or family emergency, I can see this story arc happening if Faye pulls her head out of her rectum and dumps Sven for Marten.
The question then becomes: Will Marten be dumb enough to get intimate with Faye after she's rejected him, led him on, and then obviously slept with a guy Marten (and the rest of us as well) sees as a shallow SOB? Will Marten's "love" for Faye, that Faye will use to jerk him around by the testicles the way Dora does (though Dora does it lovingly) override his good sense? Faye's not above irrationally hurting people without regard, and I just see that as being bad for Marten.
Besides, I hate the bitch. She doesn't deserve to be happy; She deserves Sven.
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I would post the quote from Mr. Skawronska, but it is too long to even think about filtering out. So onto my post.
I agree with him that Faye deserves the crushing defeat that is Sven being an asshole and sleeping with some other chick. And it only will help her to realize that she lost Martin. I doubt that the smootching will happen from it, but I think it should. Maybe after a night of drunken revelie. But I do agree for that to happen, Dora needs to be out of town for something. But that won't happen, as her family is in town, and her business is VERY local. Perhaps she got sick or something like that. Even better, a fight would happen. After, Martin and Faye find Steve and his talking booze collection and they get so wasted, the Bourbon Monster is worried. After going home, we wake up and the two of them are in bed naked together. Nobody remembers anything. But I think Faye deserves Martin at some point.
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I don't think Sven is being an asshole in today's comic, I just think he's being honest.
I think they didn't have a serious enough talk about how the "relationship" was going to work before they started fucking regularly. You need to have clear boundaries in this kind of a thing...Sven is clearly okay with it not being monogamous and Faye isn't, so they probably shouldn't have taken it past the initial hookup (and maybe a couple more for good measure).
If I were Faye I would cut it off here and try to move on...now that she's tasted teh sex for the first time in a while and it didn't destroy her emotionally, maybe she can start dating again. Is she over Marten? Meh, who knows.
I couldn't agree more. Faye's too jealous for a "friends with benefits" relationship and Sven can't handle monogamy. The question is whether Faye will realize that if she doesn't end it now, it'll just hurt more later.
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I get my jollies on watching Faye reap the rewards she so richly deserves by how she treated Marten.
I don't get my jollies but I do think it is somewhat deserved.
It's no small wonder that I relate to this situation, having had this happen to me recently, only after MY "Faye" got done with "Sven" she came crawling back to me after he moved on to greener pastures. I did not, of course, accept her back, but there were a lot of things I WANTED to say that I didn't.
Good on you for not accepting her back!!!
Hannelore is DARLING - love her dearly...wouldn't sleep with her, but love her nonetheless.
^.^ Agreed. She's a precious one.
Sven -- I have a buddy, a musician, who looks almost EXACTLY like him, but without his success with the ladies...I'm trying to get him to read this comic so he can see that he, like Sven, can get all the ladies if he'll just be more of a jerk.
XD I love the bitter humor of that last part.
I also want to mention that I absolutely appreciate the final strip for 2008 to be a verbal bitch-slap for Faye.
I don't agree or disagree, but... LOL!
Faye doesn't DESERVE Marten. Faye deserves heartbreak and misery.
I wouldn't go that far, I mean, you do have to keep in mind that the poor girl's father committed suicide RIGHT IN FRONT of her. It's not like she woke up and her mother was crying, saying "your father passed away this morning", and went to see him with his eyes closed in the hospital. The guy had his brains explode out one side of his head - you're seeing a gross, crude, scary sight, happen to the one you love. And like Jeph said, there was no absolutely DEFINITIVE way to say that somehow, you weren't involved in the reasons leading up to their decision.
I do think that her decision to get into the friends-with-benefits thing with Sven, and then expect him to "devotedly only casually screw one person", was unrealistic.
Besides, I hate the bitch. She doesn't deserve to be happy; She deserves Sven.
I personally think she deserves to be happy, and I WOULD say I'd hope Sven could change and become a more loyal person, but, that's the mentality that gets women into these sticky situations in the first place.
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Mr. Skawronska, you're so right. Faye (and I kinda get the feeling she's the most loved character for a lot of people, dont ask me why. Go HANNERZ) has been working her way into this herself, from the very moment she started jerking Martin around. And having your dad commit suicide in front of your eyes, although it is traumatising, doesnt give you the right to start jerking people who care for you around.
Faye is a cynical woman, that cant really stand to see people happy, because she cant seem to get happy. This is (according to me) her main reason for always being bitchy. She's jealous of the one thing she cant have: happiness. She tolerates it for Marten and Dora, but we all know she hates to see it. Maybe that's why she went running to Sven, to mess with Dora and Marten.
As for her expecting Sven to be monogamous because of her, I'm sorry girl but your too bitchy to expect that from a guy like Sven, not even if you're as hot as most QC readers envision you.
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I also want to mention that I absolutely appreciate the final strip for 2008 to be a verbal bitch-slap for Faye.
This is going back a little ways, but didn't Sven once announce that he would change his ways after Faye tore into him? If I'm right about that, then Sven might be giving Faye some payback in this last strip. I suspect that there may be a hard lesson coming for Faye.
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I think Sven and Faye deserve each other... it would be kinda cool to see Faye actually have something semi-solid going, since she has kinda gotten the short end of the stick all the way through the comic.
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Sven has changed: he turned down Eva-sex, for example.
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If anything, I've known more MEN who became emotionally attached, and more women who said "Um, you were just a fuck, okay?" Of course, there is a whole can of worms to open regarding the fact that a woman who says this is liberated, while a guy who says this is an asshole.
I've been through this. I suppose it's sort of pathetic to admit that a woman has broken your heart just to get laid, but it's happened to me twice now--I thought we were more than we were, she thought we were less. I'm not a shrinking violet by any means, and I suppose it is possible that some sort of false reputation preceded me, but I'm pretty sure I was clear about what I thought I was getting, and pretty sure they were aware that they were using or abusing) me. I wouldn't call a woman like this liberated. I would call her (or him) batshit crazy or just plain mean--. Guy or girl, it's a shitty thing to do to someone, regardless of your reasoning. It's not the cheap sex that hurts. It's the deceit to get what you want.
In Faye and Sven's case, I don't think this is about deceit. They both know what they are getting into. Unfortunately, neither of them has any idea what they want out of it, so it looks to me like this thing is going to be a train wreck.
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I wonder what's happened between them now that there's been a large time-leap in the QCverse
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I wonder what's happened between them now that there's been a large time-leap in the QCverse
I just had this horrifying vision of Faye going to work with a 9-month belly and Sven totally drunk at home talking to the tequilla monster!
nahhh!!
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I just had this horrifying vision of Faye going to work with a 9-month belly and Sven totally drunk at home talking to the tequilla monster!
Oooh. An unwanted pregnancy with a fuck-buddy who's out philandering while she is in the unenviable position of working for his sister so she has to make nice about him instead of trying to sue him for child support.
You know, there's angst potential there.
And of course, it would probably not make Marten happy, nor Dora.
Misery for all.
And the real life irony is that pregnancy seems to work that way: The least qualified, least nurturing bitches get pregnant at the drop of a hat, while women with "Born to be mom" tattooed on their foreheads have to go to fertility clinics.
I've seen a bit too much of that in my life.
We could always have Faye get hit by a truck and put her into a coma. Only loyal readers and Sven would miss her.
Oh...okay...I admit it, I'd miss her too, even if it's only because I love to hate her.
So, no truck.
But pregnancy??
Ooooo...
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If anything, I've known more MEN who became emotionally attached, and more women who said "Um, you were just a fuck, okay?" Of course, there is a whole can of worms to open regarding the fact that a woman who says this is liberated, while a guy who says this is an asshole.
I've been through this. I suppose it's sort of pathetic to admit that a woman has broken your heart just to get laid, but it's happened to me twice now--I thought we were more than we were, she thought we were less. I'm not a shrinking violet by any means, and I suppose it is possible that some sort of false reputation preceded me, but I'm pretty sure I was clear about what I thought I was getting, and pretty sure they were aware that they were using or abusing) me. I wouldn't call a woman like this liberated. I would call her (or him) batshit crazy or just plain mean--. Guy or girl, it's a shitty thing to do to someone, regardless of your reasoning. It's not the cheap sex that hurts. It's the deceit to get what you want.
Sad truth. I agree, and it does seem to happen more often to men than women. <_<
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And women wonder why men won't commit.
How about "Because too many women in my past, the moment I committed and told them I loved them, they blew me off!"
Nice. But somehow, it's men's fault.
S
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I am so glad I have found this topic. This is the only part of the comic that has been irritating me lately. Faye is my favorite character in QC and while all characters have real feelings and need affection, I can't help to think that Faye should punch Sven in the gonads and leave. I know he was honest with her and she knew what she was getting into, but Faye is a strong female (with issues I know) and would not take this I think. But this is just my opinion and I was happy to get it off my shoulders.
*hugs Faye and glares at Sven*
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personally I loved sven in todays comic, he's showing faye that they really just are friends with benefits and that if she cant live with it, she should just take action and break up. But seeing as they're just friends with benefits there isn't anything to break up, so he's just waking faye up (and it's about time)
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I am so glad I have found this topic. This is the only part of the comic that has been irritating me lately. Faye is my favorite character in QC and while all characters have real feelings and need affection, I can't help to think that Faye should punch Sven in the gonads and leave. I know he was honest with her and she knew what she was getting into, but Faye is a strong female (with issues I know) and would not take this I think. But this is just my opinion and I was happy to get it off my shoulders.
I felt the same way for a while... But I've come around to thinkin' that maybe Sven and Faye are okay for the time being. Like some of the others here, I do think it will eventually end in a train wreck... But a lot relationships do even when the begin without the baggage. I'd have to say that Dora is my favorite character right now... I felt bad for Marten for a long time and he's an interesting character, but something about Dora intrigues me, I guess...
I have to agree here, I remember getting annoyed when Dora kissed Martin, because I think that Faye really needs someone to love... And now there's Sven!
I wanted to be upset with that, but I guess I could see where she was coming from... I wouldn't begrudge anyone that... Especially based on the bomb Faye dropped. Besides... Marten was grown. If didn't want to kiss her or be with her... He could have said no... But he was interested in her before that ever happened...
It's great that this has caused this much discourse...
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Or perhaps Angus needs to come back to start some nice jealousy goodness for Sven as well. Since it makes Faye look like the only one that actually is developing some real feelings for Sven, this whole thing is just making me feel that Faye deserves a lot more than him (even though I liked that they got together since it made her get out of her shell about guys) but now she shouldn't be feeling weird about other girls with Sven and needs a more stable relationship. Though we probably won't be seeing that in the next few strips but instead will be hashed out with major drama :-P
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personally I loved sven in todays comic, he's showing faye that they really just are friends with benefits and that if she cant live with it, she should just take action and break up. But seeing as they're just friends with benefits there isn't anything to break up, so he's just waking faye up (and it's about time)
I think it's t'other way round. I think he's trying to upset her enough to show that she really can't do it the FwB thing and actually commit.
That or leave him alone instead of leaving him hanging.
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Oooh. An unwanted pregnancy with a fuck-buddy who's out philandering while she is in the unenviable position of working for his sister so she has to make nice about him instead of trying to sue him for child support.
You know, there's angst potential there.
And of course, it would probably not make Marten happy, nor Dora.
Misery for all.
o_O; because, obviously, a comic isn't good without everyone flailing about in misery?
I dunno, I definitely don't think that Sven/Faye thing will break up until she gets over the typecast she sorta made for herself, which everyone else eggs on. She's a bitch, and therefore deserves an asshole like Sven. Even though I really wouldn't call her much of a bitch just direct, and has some emotional issues that she needs to deal with?
*shrugs*
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a comic isn't good without everyone flailing about in misery?
Yeah, I like Something Positive too, thanks for mentioning.
I didn't say misery for all would be good, I just said I'd enjoy it.
Big difference. Jeph authors and draws a GOOD comic. I enjoy it.
But I enjoy things that AREN'T good all the time, too.
I'm just glad Jeph pulls off "good" and "enjoyable to me" simultaneously.
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Sven is not going to fuck the intern, she's not remotely attractive to him (Steven should meet her, though- but I think she's probably lesbian and should hook up with Tai).
Faye doesn't need to have "the talk" with Sven; Marten shared "the talk" with Dora and Dora already told Sven about it, so everybody in that circle of friends has implicitly heard "the talk". Besides, why would she have "the talk" with him? she already fucked him (and continues to do so)! "The talk" was Faye's proverbial "it's not you, it's me" blow off to Marten, nothing else. She told Dora she had feelings for Marten, but what were those feelings? In my opinion, she said that just to fuck Dora's mind. She knew Dora would feel guilty and insecure, so she did it because, let's face it, Faye has a bit of a mean side...
Thank you! There is simply no reason for Faye to have "the talk" with Sven - it was backstory to give Faye's neuroses grounding. She met with her shrink after she first slept with Sven, and came to the conclusion that it was alright to sleep with him - somewhat healthy even.
Jeph did a good job of drawing Sven looking a little disappointed when Faye said she wasn't ready for a real relationship, and has done a good job of showing Faye getting jealous/irritated when Sven hits on other women right in front of her. I don't recall them ever making any kind of commitment beyond "friends who occasionally hook up". The timing just doesn't seem to be right. Sven is getting over Faye not wanting a commitment and Faye might be realizing (or another character will point out to her in a snarky way) that she gets jealous because while she doesn't want Sven, she doesn't want anyone else having him either.
The way I foresee it, they will eventually mutually decide to make a commitment. They balance each other out well, and would be able to be a couple without the sugar-shock syrupy sweetness of Marten/Dora. (Seriously, there should be a warning on some of the strips focused on Marten and Dora announcing "Diabetics beware! Insane amounts of sticky sweet relationship cuteness. Adjust your medications accordingly.")
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Hey, I like sicky-sweet relationships...Those are the kind I have.
The kind Faye has that is painful yet satisfying...well...
...those are the kind I like to watch.
*checks his watch* It's not yet time for Faye to get another bitch-slap. But the last one with Sven flirting with Penelope again was good for a couple of shots of...*checks bottle* Skyy Vodka.
Mmmm...alcohol. *Hic*
One day, I'll get industrious and post the "Faye's Misery Drinking Game"
Today is not that day.
Tomorrow's not lookin' good either.
Thanks again, Jeph!
S
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Hey, I like sicky-sweet relationships...Those are the kind I have.
The kind Faye has that is painful yet satisfying...well...
...those are the kind I like to watch.
*checks his watch* It's not yet time for Faye to get another bitch-slap. But the last one with Sven flirting with Penelope again was good for a couple of shots of...*checks bottle* Skyy Vodka.
Mmmm...alcohol. *Hic*
One day, I'll get industrious and post the "Faye's Misery Drinking Game"
Today is not that day.
Tomorrow's not lookin' good either.
Thanks again, Jeph!
S
I didn't actually say I minded the sickly sweet, just that it's good to have a broad spectrum of relationship types.
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Things are going well between them, in my opinion. They seem to be spending a lot of time together and they don't try to be something they're not which is a really good thing in a relationship. These kids have a future... but it will probably be another 500 strips before there's any change in their status :laugh:
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Things are going well between them, in my opinion. They seem to be spending a lot of time together and they don't try to be something they're not which is a really good thing in a relationship. :
Dammit. No drinky for me.
S
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Mr. Skawronska: I'd buy you a beer buddy.
Everyone has that someone in life that fucks with their minds at some point. Its like the common thread that connects the universe.
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Mr. Skawronska: I'd buy you a beer buddy.
Everyone has that someone in life that fucks with their minds at some point. Its like the common thread that connects the universe.
...I thought this was the thread that connected the universe...
:wink:
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Nah, the common thread that connects the universe is constipation and apnea.
Supernova? A star snorting in its sleep.
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Nah, the common thread that connects the universe is constipation and apnea.
Supernova? A star snorting in its sleep.
Heck yes. Who wants to talk about bowel problems with me?
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Every time I eat a Wendy's cheeseburger I get terrible diarrhea.
Last time I did so I made the mistake of walking the half-mile to the Wendy's.
That's also the last time I shat my pants.
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Surgoshan, it is imperative that you repost this story in the "Something you probably don't know about me" thread. Go now, for great justice.
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But I didn't take off every zig!
I just struggled with my belt while staggering toward my bathroom.
I almost made it.
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I can't help to think that Faye should punch Sven in the gonads and leave. I know he was honest with her and she knew what she was getting into, but Faye is a strong female
So your recommended response to a completely honest sexual partner would be to severely hurt them instead of telling them how you feel (and leaving?)?
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Man, being a strong female has nothing to do with punching guys in the gonads. A strong female would go about her business and refuse to become involved in relationships that did not meet her terms. Unlike Mr. Shawronska I'm not misguided enough to hold someone like Faye in contempt, but that doesn't change the fact that the character is too conflicted over what amounts to normal issues to really be considered a particularly "strong" person at this point in her life. She's a fundamentally decent and responsible person since she readilly recognizes that how she feels and how she should act are sometimes two different things, but until she's in a place where she can consistently act upon that knowledge, she's a hard person to call "strong."
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So your recommended response to a completely honest sexual partner would be to severely hurt them instead of telling them how you feel (and leaving?)?
I think "recommended response" and "what Faye would do" are being mixed up.
And yes, I hold Faye in Contempt. It's part of the comic's charm to me, and I make no apologies about it.
One day I may tire of her being bitch-slapped, and I'll concentrate more on what I like about Hanners, Dora, Marten, Steve, and even Pintsize.
But today is not that day.
Tomorrow ain't lookin too promisin' either.
S
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Man, being a strong female has nothing to do with punching guys in the gonads. A strong female would go about her business and refuse to become involved in relationships that did not meet her terms. Unlike Mr. Shawronska I'm not misguided enough to hold someone like Faye in contempt, but that doesn't change the fact that the character is too conflicted over what amounts to normal issues to really be considered a particularly "strong" person at this point in her life. She's a fundamentally decent and responsible person since she readilly recognizes that how she feels and how she should act are sometimes two different things, but until she's in a place where she can consistently act upon that knowledge, she's a hard person to call "strong."
Agreed, but the thing is that the relationship with Sven DOES meet her terms in a strange sort of a way. She couldn't date Marten because she has issues that would make her hurt him, and blame herself. Because of that pressure, and those expectations, a relationship with Marten would hurt her. Sven, despite his rakish nature, is a safe choice. She can trust him to never need her to be there for him emotionally, so it also allows her to ignore her PTSD for a while. Sometimes avoidance is an effective coping mechanism. Maybe that is what she needs from a relationship, rather than monogamy. I guess I can't picture Faye just going out with Marten and being all perfect and lovey-dovey. Everything wrong in the relationship would be her fault, and no one deserves that kind of relationship. At least with Sven, she can let someone ELSE be the problem occasionally.
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I guess I can't picture Faye just going out with Marten and being all perfect and lovey-dovey. Everything wrong in the relationship would be her fault, and no one deserves that kind of relationship.
Faye does. Because it IS her fault. She deserves to go worm-crawling back to Marten, begging forgiveness that he reluctantly gives, and her guilt consumes her for the rest of the time they're together to the point where she transfers her spine to him and together they are like two jellyfish.
I have no idea what alcohol I'd buy for that occasion.
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Obviously Sven just has a fetish for chicks with dead fathers and crippling emotional problems that allow them to be indecisive hypocrites without being called on it.
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Well sure... I've had a couple of relationships like that myself (although maybe not quite so complicated)... hasn't everybody?
I have sneaky feeling though that Faye and Sven are going to eventually land up in a 'proper' relationship, which I think would be a shame.
And go back to what someone at the start of the thread said about friends with benefits not being a good idea because short term satisfaction does not lead to long term commitment.... well that's kind of the whole point of that sort of relationship. Not everyone wants a long term commitment. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
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I guess I can't picture Faye just going out with Marten and being all perfect and lovey-dovey. Everything wrong in the relationship would be her fault, and no one deserves that kind of relationship.
Faye does. Because it IS her fault. She deserves to go worm-crawling back to Marten, begging forgiveness that he reluctantly gives, and her guilt consumes her for the rest of the time they're together to the point where she transfers her spine to him and together they are like two jellyfish.
I have no idea what alcohol I'd buy for that occasion.
S
Out of curiousity, why do you like presenting yourself as such a creep? Confidence is one thing, but posts like this one are basically just perverse.
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It really frustrates me that anyone gets mad at Sven in a situation like this. Faye hooks up with him, he wants it to become more serious. She says no, absolutely not, we're just friends with benefits. Sven says "well that's dumb" and states that if the relationship is not serious then he isn't going to avoid looking for someone new. Faye says "No, you have to wait for me and see if eventually I'm willing to stop being a dumb bitch." Why he doesn't ditch Faye is beyond me, but he definitely should. Kind of goes back to me disliking the fact that when Raven is all shallow and doing different people just like Sven, it's funny and cute, but when Sven does it he's an "asshole." Makes zero sense to me. Regardless, I vote random plot twist to get Raven and Sven togeather, the only two characters in the comic who seem willing to just say "Let's not be whiny bitches and be happy with the good lives we have." Besides I'll admit, I have a soft spot for Sven what with his whole "All talent no work" thing, as it's quite like me :p.
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The thing about Raven is that nobody knows anything about her relationships. For all anyone knows, they're casual, healthy flings. What Sven is doing is more akin to playing with fire; he sometimes gives the impression that he is all too willing to let people include him in their mistakes. Personally, I wouldn't stay in a relationship in which the other party seems unhappy, but that's just me.
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I dunno, I just don't get how people can get so mad about Sven like they do. He states up front "hey, this is casual" and then when he follows through with that and tells them the next day "yeah, that was just casual" everyone goes "HE'S SUCH A DICK!" Why? For doing exactly what he said he was going to the night before, for NOT lying? I see no problems. I guess the strip has shown that he was somewhat deceptive in the past, but he definitely isn't anymore, so why all the Sven hate? Maybe I'm misguided just because I relate to the guy (though not with the whole ladies thing. Two girlfriends ever, and the first breakup was pretty much "This kinda sucks now" "Yeah, let's not do this anymore" and second is still going)
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I dunno where Faye and Sven are now. I know where Sven was at the start. He found a girl who was willing and able to challenge him on every level he needed to be challenged at. She hit him emotionally, she hit him intellectually, she hit him musically.
Then she tried to blow him off.
Fact is, she couldn't blow him off because she's an emotional cripple. He doesn't know that, so now they're bouncing off each other.
He thinks he's playing her, but he's really not. His supposed playboy-facade is just a buffer (along with her PTSD) that let's both he and her get closer together without really acknowledging it.
He pretends to be a slut, she pretends to be a prude. Meanwhile, they both find peace.
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Out of curiousity, why do you like presenting yourself as such a creep?
Because it makes people like you ask me questions like that.
Confidence is one thing, but posts like this one are basically just perverse.
Yes, and?
S
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and I had hoped the answering might be more interesting than that. Oh well.
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Well gosh. Sorry to disappoint you. What kind of a response were you looking for, so I can try harder next time?
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Jeez, S-bro, take a chill pill. Just because you had a similar experience doesn't mean Faye is the girl that ate your heart for breakfast. She's been maturing the comic, this relationship is just another part of that. She'll come to recognize what she did for what it is, and probably regret it. Pity her for taking so long, but outright hate? Sad.
I've had my healthiest relationship start as a "friends with benefits" deal too; admittedly, we had very open communication right from the beginning, though, so I'm sure Faye and Sven will at the least be far more rocky in their descent into madness love hate healthy emotional growth.
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So, posit for a moment that Faye does deserve a relationship where she knows it's all her fault. Is that any reason to give it to her? This is (pretend) reality: drama, pathos, etc. It's not a medieval Court of Love. If Jeph wants these characters to grow as people, maybe there's some forgiveness in Marten that can make both him and Faye better people. Maybe Faye and Sven will stumble through falling in love the hard way, hurting each other and grwoing through it with shouting and spurts, until they decide they're finally mature enough to get married.
Different relationships work out in different ways. I'd love to back up in time and reverse some mistakes I made -- not to end up with someone I failed to "catch" in my younger days, but to not hurt some people who didn't deserve the pain from my youthful lack of awareness here and there. I made out quite well for myself; we celebrate our 25th anniversary this week. I got hurt more than I caused hurt, but I'd still like to be a little less of a jerk in a few spots.
I've been Dora; I've been Sven; I've been Marten, Ellen, Monica, and Steve -- I see pieces of my past in some of their best and worst moments (although I never pulled steel to intimidate an inadvertent rival). I'm going to sit back and see how Jeph decides to work this out. I'm still cheering for Marten and Faye to grow up enough that they get together; I think the grounds of their initial friendship have a high potential for a great supportive romance -- about mid-2012, at the strip's current plot rate.
In the meantime, Sven and Faye are still working through feelings I remember all too well: the tug of wanting to be exclusive, the feelings of wanting your freedom (even though I rarely got into the latter part for long). Jeph has cranked up the plot tension quite nicely, and I'm having fun watching. Even if this doesn't resolve as soon as I'd like ... well, in another 50 years or so, I'll know it all, anyway. I'll wait.
Oh -- and can we tone down the value judgments and name-calling, please? Read postings again, and see if there's a different way to hear the writer's voice? I can see Mr. S. as a creep, or simply some laid-back guy who's having fun with the characters' quests for social functionality. But assuming that he's a creep is ... well, assuming. Even if you're both sane (which, to all appearances, you are) and correct (another point where I'll wait 50 years). Heck, I might drink to that level of plot resolution, myself. As long as it's happening to cartoon characters, and not my kids, it's entertainment.
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I didn't say he was a creep, I said he was posting like a creep; he pretty much confirmed it by posting that what he's doing is in large part some kind of goofy attempt at piss taking. That's different from thinking the guy is actually sitting in his room plotting the demise of a fictional character as we speak.
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Mr. Skawronska: I'd buy you a beer buddy.
Everyone has that someone in life that fucks with their minds at some point. Its like the common thread that connects the universe.
...I thought this was the thread that connected the universe...
:wink:
lol, yarn requires cosmic sheep.
Unfortunately there are too few cosmic sheep to explain it.
Cosmic misery spins alot more thread.
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Just because you had a similar experience doesn't mean Faye is the girl that ate your heart for breakfast.
No, but she REPRESENTS that girl, and since she's not real, it's a relatively healthy and entertaining outlet for me to smother her in Hatorade. And ironically, it allows me to NOT treat the real-life girl like that. (yes, I still know and associate with her on a regular basis).
So, posit for a moment that Faye does deserve a relationship where she knows it's all her fault.
I'll suspend disbelief long enough to listen.
Is that any reason to give it to her?
Oh Hell yes. In deleriously miserable spades.
I can see Mr. S. as a creep, or simply some laid-back guy who's having fun with the characters' quests for social functionality.
Yay! I'm a CREEEEP!!! A wounded, malicious, vindictive, spiteful CREEEEP!! See Me Do My Creepy Dance!
I'm a creep who's having fun...but a creep nonetheless. I couldn't be laid back unless I had a daily dosage of Diazepam that would lay low a rinoceros.
goofy attempt at piss taking.
That's not a phrase I'm familiar with. Other than the obvious "relieving your bladder", what's the context? Do you mean taking a metaphorical wiz on Faye?
Cuz I don't really get down like that; Not into watersports.
I didn't say he was a creep,
Dammit.
I said he was posting like a creep;
Stupid is as stupid does?
Cosmic misery spins alot more thread.
All creepiness and faye-hate aside, that is a rather poignant truism.
Okay, back to your regularly scheduled creepiness...
...I hate Faye; I hope she gets what's coming to her, again, and again, and again. Hmmmph!! This booze won't drink itself!
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lol, what would be funny is if there are real life characters like these who are reading the forums to find out what to do next.
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Sorry, it's something I cribbed from Brit slang; the gist of it is that you're taking the wind out of someone's sails, ie, taking the piss out of 'em. It's typically exagerration for humorous or dramatic effect, often through parody. For example, when Tina Fey made a mockery of Sarah Palin, that was piss taking. In this case I mostly meant that I don't think you utterly lack self awareness and therefore some of your rhetoric is calculated; hopefully that also answers your stupid is what stupid does comment.
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lol, what would be funny is if there are real life characters like these who are reading the forums to find out what to do next.
Now, that would be creepy !! Life imitates art ... on purpose. That wold be like quoting Seinfeld at your place of work. Who's'a thunk it?
<remove tongue from cheek, insert foot into mouth>
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In this case I mostly meant that I don't think you utterly lack self awareness and therefore some of your rhetoric is calculated; hopefully that also answers your stupid is what stupid does comment.
Correct in both cases. I come off as creepy because it's intentional. I'm not looking to woo the ladies, I'm here to relax and unwind and have a good time with people who have a wacked-out sense of humor.
So I'm doing the "creepy old man" persona...mostly because eerily, in many ways, it fits.
And from the feedback I'm getting, I'd say I'm portraying it right.
And I'd say that ALL of my rhetoric is calculated to some degree...though I'll admit, some more carefully calculated than others.
But every line I write is to entertain one person: Me.
If others are entertained...great. But I'm not Jeph. I don't HAVE an audience other than myself. The rest is just me sharing wierdness and feeding off the reactions.
S
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In this case I mostly meant that I don't think you utterly lack self awareness and therefore some of your rhetoric is calculated; hopefully that also answers your stupid is what stupid does comment.
Correct in both cases. I come off as creepy because it's intentional. I'm not looking to woo the ladies, I'm here to relax and unwind and have a good time with people who have a wacked-out sense of humor.
So I'm doing the "creepy old man" persona...mostly because eerily, in many ways, it fits.
And from the feedback I'm getting, I'd say I'm portraying it right.
And I'd say that ALL of my rhetoric is calculated to some degree...though I'll admit, some more carefully calculated than others.
But every line I write is to entertain one person: Me.
If others are entertained...great. But I'm not Jeph. I don't HAVE an audience other than myself. The rest is just me sharing wierdness and feeding off the reactions.
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??? you're creepy? I must have missed the part where you wanted to put heads on spikes or drink virgin goat blood or marry michael jackson or donate sperm to a single mother so she can have umpteen children without ever meeting you... Damn, my creep-dar must be out of batteries, I just thought you were having fun.
btw, cheers to random british slang!
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Yes, it's typically called "friends with benefits", and it's not a good idea.
We all want sexual freedom and sexual power, but sharing that kind of intimacy just to scratch an itch? It leaves you vulnerable and doesn't lead to a mutually rewarding relationship (short term satisfaction does NOT lead to long term mutual respect and commitment).
very well stated. geez, where were you in my life a few months ago? although, i think whenever we're involved in situations like that we do really know it, we just convince ourselves that maybe this time will be different.
whatever happens, its a lot more fun to watch it play out in a comic storyline as opposed to real life :p
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just noticed 714's picture thingie (previous post) and it totally looks like Sven has breasts and Faye is fondling them.
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Yes, it's typically called "friends with benefits", and it's not a good idea.
We all want sexual freedom and sexual power, but sharing that kind of intimacy just to scratch an itch? It leaves you vulnerable and doesn't lead to a mutually rewarding relationship (short term satisfaction does NOT lead to long term mutual respect and commitment).
I have an inkling that Faye is going to learn that the hard way.
Because someone just called this bit up.
Not everyone is interested in long, "meaningful" (read: expensive) relationships. There are plenty of people out there that want nothing more than to rut like a couple of animals - hey, I'm one of them - and don't give a flying fuck about a(n) "expensive, tedious, annoying rewarding relationship." I'm totally clear on this, too - I meet a girl and talk to her. If we hit it off, I ask her if she wants to fuck, with nothing behind it. If yes, cool. If no, also cool.
I've never been in a "rewarding relationship", as far as I'm aware, but I've never wanted that - I'm perfectly fine with the way things are right now. Maybe that'll change later, maybe not. But to label friends with benefits, fuckbuddies, or whatever your preferred term for the situation is as a bad idea isn't strictly true.
As far as the comic goes, I'd say Sven should fess up and Faye should just deal with the impending emotional trainwreck that it's going to cause. It's her own damn fault for not being totally honest and in the open about her thoughts and feelings. Or maybe Jacques will have her brush it off like it's nothing (and then have a breakdown at home, that poor Marten will have to deal with.) STAY TUNED, VIEWERS!
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must have missed the part where you wanted to put heads on spikes or drink virgin goat blood or marry michael jackson or donate sperm to a single mother so she can have umpteen children without ever meeting you
Wow, I never really gave a lot of thought to those.
I feel kinda creepily inferior because of it.
Although, I gave some consideration to donating "the natural way" to a couple of hot single mothers once...didn't work out.
Dammit.
Nowadays, they'd have to be too drunk to "accept the donation" so that's out, too. And I ain't randomly donating Jack Squat unless I get a kiss first.
But, let's move on.
:evil:
There? Was that more creepy?
S
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must have missed the part where you wanted to put heads on spikes or drink virgin goat blood or marry michael jackson or donate sperm to a single mother so she can have umpteen children without ever meeting you
Wow, I never really gave a lot of thought to those.
I feel kinda creepily inferior because of it.
Although, I gave some consideration to donating "the natural way" to a couple of hot single mothers once...didn't work out.
Dammit.
Nowadays, they'd have to be too drunk to "accept the donation" so that's out, too. And I ain't randomly donating Jack Squat unless I get a kiss first.
But, let's move on.
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There? Was that more creepy?
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nope, that was just sad... :laugh:
Besides, how can you tell a goat is a virgin??
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You ask it, silly.
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But then you risk offending it. I can't TELL you how many goats have slapped me when I ask them.
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You check the goat's MySpace page.
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Nope. Goats are more likely to have Facebook pages rather than Myspace pages. Of course, some of them have linkedin pages, but that's not likely to have the information you need.
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I'm sorry to be an asshole and post on topic, guys.
Is it just me, or is Fai's reaction perfectly and sadly normal to this situation? Why do people go after the third party? "My boyfriend cheated on me, so I want to kill the bitch." It doesn't make sense why someone would do that.
Actually, it does make sense. They want to be with that person, so they go after the one who disrupted the relationship. It just seems like someone who'd rather be naïve and happy than be honest with themselves and hurting.
Sorry if all *that doesn't make sense. It's hard to properly word my thoughts.
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I'm sorry to be an asshole and post on topic, guys.
Is it just me, or is Fai's reaction perfectly and sadly normal to this situation? Why do people go after the third party? "My boyfriend cheated on me, so I want to kill the bitch." It doesn't make sense why someone would do that.
Actually, it does make sense. They want to be with that person, so they go after the one who disrupted the relationship. It just seems like someone who'd rather be naïve and happy than be honest with themselves and hurting.
Sorry if all *that doesn't make sense. It's hard to properly word my thoughts.
Faye's reaction is totally in character for her. It's the cowards solution, that doesnt require her to face the real problem, and it's just enough of pyscho to make me want to give her that bottle of valium she so desperatly needs
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Really, are all you people so amazing, that in the initial fits of anger your all calm and serene and think about everything rationally? no you bitch you moan you plot murder etc etc then you cool down, realise its silly or whatever and then rationalise.
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when my girlfriend cheated on me i was pissed too,
then he got convicted of statutory rape and wentto jail for 15 years.
and i just couldn't help but laugh.
im still laughing, actually.
dumbass bitch lol
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Really, are all you people so amazing, that in the initial fits of anger your all calm and serene and think about everything rationally? no you bitch you moan you plot murder etc etc then you cool down, realise its silly or whatever and then rationalise.
I'm as likely to freak out and scream and plot my girl/boyfriend's downfall as much as the boy/girl that they cheated on me with. Then again, I haven't really been cheated on, so...I guess I can't really say.
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when my girlfriend cheated on me i was pissed too,
then he got convicted of statutory rape and wentto jail for 15 years.
and i just couldn't help but laugh.
im still laughing, actually.
dumbass bitch lol
holy cRaP! what an awful story! Was she a mental case? How old was this guy? I knew a guy who did three or four for SR, and ended up marrying the girl. They were both kind of stupid, but I always suspected they were both damaged in soe way when they met. It's usually that way, isn't it?
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Statutory rape is when someone has sex with an under-age person, right? I never quite understood how that works- the under-age has to file charges, or not?
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Usually it would be the parent or guardian of the underage person. In many cases, the underage person isn't aware that anything's wrong.
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so if two 15 year-old kids have sex, is that considered statutory rape?
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Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape) says yes; but in some jurisdictions the closeness of their ages constitutes a defence ("Romeo and Juliet" laws).
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So what, legally, most people I know (and probably most people on this forum) are rapists or something?
How does that make any sense
Threads derail in the best way (edit)
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Most states, I believe, have romeo and juliet clauses. It's only a very few that extend them such that an 18 year old can have sex with a 17 year old. In most, two 17 year olds can do it; but when one hits 18, they have to stop and wait for the other's birthday to roll around.
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Here in the UK it's 16, of course, so not so difficult to handle.
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Most states, I believe, have romeo and juliet clauses. It's only a very few that extend them such that an 18 year old can have sex with a 17 year old. In most, two 17 year olds can do it; but when one hits 18, they have to stop and wait for the other's birthday to roll around.
really? I thought that was more urban legend actually. You know, everybdoy egnored that year of a kid's life in favor of letting them get laid (him and her I mean)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Massachusetts (I picked MA because that's where the characters live and because it's got something funny in the statutes)
The age of consent in MA (18 or 16) depends on whether the younger participant is "of chaste life". So Steve really would have been illegal with Ellen before her birthday.
Other states are all over the place. Some of the exceptions for two young people are written in terms of what their age difference is. Virginia seems to work the way Surgoshan said, with the added wrinkle that the two hypothetical 17-year-olds could still be charged with having sex outside of marriage. That's a misdemeanor unless they do oral, which makes it a felony.
This is a fascinating topic drift. At least Kenny Wallace was in the clear: Georgia's age of consent is 16.
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so if two 15 year-old kids have sex, is that considered statutory rape?
No, they wouldn't be charged with that in most states, since neither of them is over 18. However, some teenagers got charged with distributing and possessing child pornography recently, because they took naked pictures of themselves with their cell phones, and sent the photos to their boyfriends. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/01/kids.html
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when my girlfriend cheated on me i was pissed too,
then he got convicted of statutory rape and wentto jail for 15 years.
and i just couldn't help but laugh.
im still laughing, actually.
dumbass bitch lol
holy cRaP! what an awful story! Was she a mental case? How old was this guy? I knew a guy who did three or four for SR, and ended up marrying the girl. They were both kind of stupid, but I always suspected they were both damaged in soe way when they met. It's usually that way, isn't it?
well the great thing is that she broke up with me, then he cheated on her with a 15 year old, and he got 15 because he was already registered as a sexual offender.
oh god the whole story just makes me laugh.
Yeah my ex is really messed up, she was interesting though, and I liked the fact she never stayed the same way for very long, I knew it wouldnt last, but it was definitely fun while it lasted.
but yeah, now he is rotting in jail for I think it was called sexual assault? not that I care he's gonna rot and all is right in the karmic circle
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god damn it no one cares if two 15 year olds have sex so even if it is against the law no cops are going to arrest them for it so it is irrelevant
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what if an adult watches two 15 year old have sex? :|
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I assume it's fine: no doubt God's doing it right now
And if God does it, it's good
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what if an adult watches two 15 year old have sex? :|
o_0.
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god damn it no one cares if two 15 year olds have sex so even if it is against the law no cops are going to arrest them for it so it is irrelevant
But a 17-year-old and a 15-year-old can result in a 10-year prison sentence (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16862643/).
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I assume it's fine: no doubt God's doing it right now
And if God does it, it's good
ahhh but what if two 15 year olds watch god...o0oohh I just grossed myself out.
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I'm sorry to be an asshole and post on topic, guys.
Is it just me, or is Fai's reaction perfectly and sadly normal to this situation? Why do people go after the third party? "My boyfriend cheated on me, so I want to kill the bitch." It doesn't make sense why someone would do that.
Actually, it does make sense. They want to be with that person, so they go after the one who disrupted the relationship. It just seems like someone who'd rather be naïve and happy than be honest with themselves and hurting.
Sorry if all *that doesn't make sense. It's hard to properly word my thoughts.
Faye's reaction is totally in character for her. It's the cowards solution, that doesnt require her to face the real problem, and it's just enough of pyscho to make me want to give her that bottle of valium she so desperatly needs
I kinda agree with Mr. Snow (also apologizing with being "on topic") and so I don't necessarily understand how this makes Faye psycho. Unless of course you want to say that every person that ever acts or feels in this same way is also psychotic. Which is a lots of people. :/
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The whole world is pyschotic.
I fully had a song in my head to go with that but i dont think it would translate
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That's it. I'm totally building an inside out insane asylum so that the entire world can be institutionalized.
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free meds!
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what if an adult watches two 15 year old have sex? :|
In Thailand, the adult would have a camera and it would be called kiddie porn.
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what if an adult watches two 15 year old have sex? :|
In Thailand, the adult would have a camera and it would be called kiddie porn.
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Got some experience with that, do ya? :laugh:
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if by thailand you mean america
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what if an adult watches two 15 year old have sex? :|
In Thailand, the adult would have a camera and it would be called kiddie porn.
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Got some experience with that, do ya? :laugh:
Yep. Arrested my fair share of amateur cameramen.
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I assume it's fine: no doubt God's doing it right now
And if God does it, it's good
ahhh but what if two 15 year olds watch god...o0oohh I just grossed myself out.
Watch god.... watching 2 girls 1 cup? I think his reaction would be hiLARious.
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Oh no, has this forum just been reduced to '2 girls, 1 cup.' Eeeep! :-o
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Reduced? No.
Elevated.
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what if an adult watches two 15 year old have sex? :|
In Thailand, the adult would have a camera and it would be called kiddie porn.
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Got some experience with that, do ya? :laugh:
Yep. Arrested my fair share of amateur cameramen.
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In Thailand? :?
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Topic and the back on-ness....
When I was having a hard time, similar to Faye's I slept with a hot (oh lordy was he hot....) guy a few times and it was ace, I felt much better.
The first time I saw him with another girl I was a bit put out, everyone wants to be wanted after all, but I got over it.
To me the relationship was a good idea, but it did smack slightly of some kind of revenge for Dora and Martin (Anyone else think that?) but then I'm not as fucked up as Faye (I hope not anyway!)
Whatever science says girls can have fuck buddies and not fall for them.
Also, I really didn't know that taking the piss didn't translate the other side of the alantic (?)
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Dora certainly thought it was revenge, but the timing was all wrong for that.
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Besides, you read the comic right?
Faye was just being compulsive.
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Are you sure you don't mean impulsive?
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Yes I read the comic...
I thought she was finally not overthinking. I wouldn't describe that as compulsive.
But point taken.
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And as Marten pointed out, she's not that kind of person.
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So Faye's having sexy dreams about him now (see her twitter, and Dora's response).
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And now she's blocked him. The Principle of Maximum Awkwardness seems to be in effect.
What's the most awkward thing that could happen next?
It's not really plausible for Sven to have a downturn in the songwriting business and take a job as a barista, but it would sure be mean to them both if he did.