THESE FORUMS NOW CLOSED (read only)
Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: bicostp on 10 Dec 2008, 10:37
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(Note: shoo-ed from WCT thread.)
New web layout, you say? Hmm...
I don't particularly like CSS, either. It's great once everything's put together, but coding between browsers and platforms is a royal pain. If something works in Firefox 2 it might not work in Firefox 3, IE 6, IE 7, Opera, iCab, Safari for Mac, Safari for Windows, etc.
Would a mobile site be too much to ask? (A cut-down, smaller layout for smartphones and their ilk.)
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CSS is just a pain in the ass to work with in general. But then again, Jeph is talking about in his Twitter going to a beige theme. It should match the Coffee of Doom walls.
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Hm...only suggestions (although they're not considered):
1. different fonts (not neceserally the type, but the size is too big - for my taste, which has no influence whatsoever, but I like to state it)for previous / next / etc...
2. different colours for links on the right side menu
3. forum link anywhere?
4. have no 4 for now, because I didn't look it very carefully
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Obligatory "change is scary, bring back the old design" post.
Also, where did the forum link on the home page go?
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Looks ok to me.
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Whatever you just did fixed the layout for me (in Firefox 3).
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Forum link is on the right in the side bar. After the other comics links, there is "extra credit" which contains forum and some other stuff.
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Man, this design is just not good. Sorry Jeph. The old one was plain better.
I liked the one before that better too, still do.
Agreed.
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The forum link is on the side now, I really liked it at the top.
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NOOO don't put the newsposts on the bottom.
But otherwise the layout is okay with me.
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Hm...only suggestions (although they're not considered):
1. different fonts (not neceserally the type, but the size is too big - for my taste, which has no influence whatsoever, but I like to state it)for previous / next / etc...
2. different colours for links on the right side menu
3. forum link anywhere?
4. have no 4 for now, because I didn't look it very carefully
<graphic designer>
I agree with the type. It's too heavy.
And my biggest problem is how crammed in everything seems. The comic has no room to breathe; it's being framed by the background and a bunch of info which makes it harder to focus on it.
There are other little things, but I think those are the main problems. CSS is a pain, but it's the standard.
</graphic designer>
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Sexy new layout woo!
The forums link being a little hidden is kind of difficult, and I do prefer the newsposts at the side, but those are things easily adapted to and the layout is pretty, thus making it worth it! :-P
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The forums link should really be at the top, like it used to be.
I also agree that the comic looks like it would get a little claustrophobic.
Another thing: It was better with a dark color behind the comic because that caused the comic to pop out at you. Having the light color behind the comic makes the comic fade into the page (especially with this particular strip, because the walls of the library almost match the page's new background color).
All in all, I don't like it. :cry:
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NOOO don't put the newsposts on the bottom.
But otherwise the layout is okay with me.
I agree with Tybalt. I must also say that I like the new QC logo. Kudo's on the pretty logo.
Jeph said on his Twitter that he was considering a mostly white theme. I must agree that it would have seemed a bit too corporate.
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I like it (especially the new banner)
but forum link at top (damn that tiny one)
and the newsfeed where it should be, cos now it's all the way down there and no one wants to look at it any more
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Maybe I'm the only one, but having the news post at the bottom is better, because sometimes it contains spoilers and having it on the side would distract me from the comic.
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It's coming along pretty well! Here's some input if you want:
- News post at the bottom = :(
- Setting the sidebar width to 185 pixels lets you put a buffer to the left of the comic with next to no impact on the sidebar itself (at least in Firefox; more on that shortly).
- I don't know how the navigation font (Home, Archive, etc links) looks in OS X, but it looks like a fill-in font on Windows:
(http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/3965/imsorrybutyuckpo6.png)
OKAY enough webbery for one day. time to start drawin'.
Time for some unsolicited fan-webbery, then?
Here's what I came up with after some tinkering:
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6996/qchackedtobitsjd1.th.jpg) (http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6996/qchackedtobitsjd1.jpg)
Unfortunately, it screws up in IE 6. (The sidebar decided it wanted to go to the right side of the page, under the comic. All part of CSS's bizarre nature, I suppose. The original page on the server doesn't do this.) Opera, as usual, doesn't care what you throw at it and renders fine. I can't test on Konqueror or Safari.
EDIT: Fixed that, but the Twitter-reader-size placeholder image isn't centered in the sidebar area. Oh well, close enough. Why can't browser developers decide on one set way to render pages?!
EDIT 2: Crap this is just the old page with a new color scheme, isn't it?
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Guys, Jeph is hiding the forums because he is ashamed of them.
I would be too.
Also, the new title bar seems very influenced by A Softer World.
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Maybe I'm the only one, but having the news post at the bottom is better, because sometimes it contains spoilers and having it on the side would distract me from the comic.
He says when there are spoilers though, so I've never fallen into the trap (cos I read the post first)
It's just a bit too out of the way, plus when it's by the twitter, you can read both at once (seeing they're both newsposts in a way)
Also bicostp, awesome work. Just how I'd have done it
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Looks like someone smeared diarrhea all over the background
(been following qc for what looks like a year and made an acc just to say that)
that is all
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I liked the dark colors better, the comic always popped to your attention.
I like the style of the page, just not for a webcomic...it looks like he's going for a 'magazine cutouts/handwritten notes on paper' type of style, which is fine, but theres too much crap crammed in now. Personally, I always used the archive view to read, instead of the front page (less stuff in the sidebar, you know?)
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Bicostp, I like your version better than the real thing.
However, the asymmetry (http://i37.tinypic.com/23r8xvd.jpg) of the menu is driving me nuts. It would look better if something separated (http://i36.tinypic.com/2n9c0tz.jpg) The Page Navigation Menu and The Comic Navigation Menu. Either way, I think these tweaks improve the layout.
I still hate the color though... It's brighter than the comic.
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The white is ugly. I don't think there's really any way around that. It shines at your instead of the comic, and attention is drawn to all the wrong places.
Having the "Home Archive About Merchandise Contact RSS" Be so close to the "First Previous Next Last Random" is just a bad idea too. It's hard to separate the two.
And having the Newspost on the bottom sucks. The comic is too long for that type of style - It should be on the side.
Overall, I honestly think it sucks. It retains nothing that made the old design good, and shits on the idea of improving anything. Different doesn't mean better, and what's actually improved - Design OR Layout wise - Of this, as compared to the old?
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I'm almost the only one who likes the new layout
Okay the old one is better but I really like this one too.
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Maybe darken the colours, and tweek things here and there (sidebar, symmetry, NEWSPOST), but aside from that, all good
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Okay the old one is better but I really like this one too.
Yes, but, if the old one is better... why change to a new one?
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Things need to change every so often. It's been years since he's had a good site layout update. I was thinking the other day "it would be cool if he changed a couple of things around"
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I like the new color scheme, but the layout is still a bit messy. The logo redirs to a 404 (logogo.png), and there could be some extra space between the banners.
Also, a menu on the right with links to the forums, merch and whatever else, would be nice in place at the point where the newsposts were before :)
(edit) But, assuming you're still working on it: Keep up the good work :)
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I miss the dark backgrounds......It put the focus on the comic.
I miss the forum link at the top too...I wondered a minute whether he'd given the Forums the axe altogether. :-D
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The colors are nice, although some stripes or something in the background would be nice. The newspost should be at the top and perhaps the side bar on the other side. The human eye automatically to the left for information/links/etc. I always look to the right for the comic and now have to look back over.
Forum link at the top would be nice as well.
Type is too thick as well.
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I kind of hate the new design as well. I agree it looks messy and crammed. I also thought for a moment the forums had been axed all together. And didn't see the newsposts until I read on here to look under the comic. I like them much better on the side. Jeph always indicates spoilers if mentioned so if someone reads past the spoiler warnings, that's their stupid fault. With so much linkage and all the ads the right side just looks like spambonanza. I also agree with the remark of the fonts being too big and bold. As well as desiring a distinction between the Home/Archive link bar and the First/Previous link bar. Logo isn't currently loading for me. I like the color choices well enough, but maybe if they were reversed that would help? Everything on the white/cream is just to harsh and distracting. Also, please for the sake of symmetry put a little bit of breathing room to the left of the comic.
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I wondered a minute whether he'd given the Forums the axe altogether. :-D
Wouldn't blame him if he did.
I agree it looks messy and crammed.
But it's the same width as the old one...
Why is the width still 800 pixels? Almost everyone uses at least 1024x768 nowadays. 1000 pixels wide would open up a lot more space for the layout.
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FLAME FLAME FLAME
I really don't like the new theme. Not because it's new; I personally prefer the new color scheme. However, you MUST put the forum link in the top bar and the newspost just can't be at the bottom.
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I have to say... that colour scheme is ugly as hell.
Not fond of Courier either.
But it's the same width as the old one...
Perception =/= reality.
Notice that, if you look carefully at the French flag, the three stripes aren't actually the same size. They have to be different sizes to look the same size, because the human brain works in odd ways. The old colour scheme, with relatively subtle differences in the shades of blue, gave a more expansive look than great splodges of brown and beige.
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Hey, where's the forums link gone?
wait.........HOLY SHIT! HOW DID I GET HERE??
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Chiming in along with everyone else... I dislike the new design as well. The color scheme of the old design was very easy on the eyes, while this one is the direct opposite. Also, I'm not quite sure why the twitter feed is at the top but the news post is at the bottom. I'd prefer seeing the news post first rather than "drunk goin bed" or whatever random twitter post Jeph last updated.
Sure you can chalk it up to "oh people don't like change" but the more likely scenario is that this change was simply a bad one. Won't stop me from reading the comic, naturally, but does make it look less polished than it did before.
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I am resurrecting my almost-never-used, not-touched-in-years QC forum membership to pipe up and say I don't really like the new layout at all, for all the reasons mentioned already. That's how motivated I was to add my voice to this choir!
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bleh. 've been lurking for quite long.
but decided to register to type this.
i'm using google chrome and i can't even load the banner D:
and the courier new font should be gone~.
i felt that the buttons for the old website was not bad.
i'd prefer buttons over hyperlinks O_o
(sorry for my poor grammar, not very good in english D:)
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yea, im not diggin the new color scheme at all, cant find the forum link, news post on the bottow wtf???
change for change's sake and all that.
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I dislike the forum link being tiny and lost.
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I dislike the forum link being tiny and lost.
I'm with you on this one, cause if you are in lates strip and you see forum link and press previous strip and then latest BAM its gone.
(sorry if im nagging)
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I agree with what a lot of people are saying. Right now the banner doesn't work for me (in Firefox 3) so I can't really get the full impact of everything... However. The thing that offends me visually the most is the terrible hospital-wall pink background colour. It makes me feel like I'm in a bizarre kind of nursing home. (Even more bizarre than usual what with today's tapir strip.) And I find it doesn't really go with the dark brown either, unless you are wearing some kind of retro clothing with those colours on it. Aaaand what somebody else said about the light colour making the strip not pop so much as it used to.
The placement of the newspost and forum link and all that I suppose I can get used to. But those colours are going to drive me nuts.
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Trying not to whine
but...
New logo not displaying on FF3.0.4 on OSX 10.4.11, dunno what that means
i had a chuckle at minimizing the forums...
Maybe it was just habit because they'd been on the right the whole time I've been reading, but i always read the newspost before i read the comic, it being at the bottom weirds me out. but you know, just me.
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tl;dr
Basically, I like the new color scheme. The only thing I'd change are the black frames on the comics themselves, they strangle any ambiance created by this new soothing atmosphere. I'd suggest using the same color as the background to create a 'floating' appearance for each panel. Obviously, the side bars links need altered to the new dried blood/red font/high light scheme.
Not positive, but via the Chrome web-browser, the image of 'http://questionablecontent.net/index.php' is not displayed.
The background is nice, but viewed at 1600x1200, there is a whole lot of it, what would you think of a very light outline of various panels/characters/things scattered across it, maybe only a degree of shading different of the base color, so as to add something to it, without overloading peoples video memory.
Over all, change is good, not well received, but good on the whole. (insert preparation H joke)
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Jeph, we all love it when you put effort into keeping the site and comic new and spiffy, really we do.
Just... maybe in a different direction here? I agree with the most frequent requests to relocate the Forum link and the newspost. I'd also add in that I really like a little box that defines the clicky area of a given button (like with the previous comic nav. links); it makes things look more buttony and less texty. Also the logo is down in FF3 for me, as well.
I liked what Dora did with the decor in Coffee of Doom, with the warm orange and the mahogany woodstain*. I think that might fit the bill for a color scheme people can appreciate, or at least tolerate. Concensus?
* http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=425
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Honestly, the new site's about as user-friendly as Battlecruiser 3000AD's interface was. In fact, it took me a good seven minutes or so to find the forum before refreshing for some reason (a bad habit of mine coming from my forum-going) and then watching links magically appear on the right hand side. The website's still in development, so I can let bugs like that slide (though I can't see the banner). The fact that the next, previous, etc. images have been replaced with text is one of the most bothersome things for me. It hearkens back to a time when if you had Internet, you had dial-up, and designers tried to use as few images as possible to avoid frustrating load times. Obviously, this is not the case. I'd imagine that the majority of QC readers, if not the majority of Internet users, now use broadband of some kind, making the removal of the stylized Previous/Next buttons fairly unnecessary. The use of the DOS-esque font is even more perplexing. The movement of the newspost to the bottom makes it rather uncomfortable to read, as well. Now, I'm normally very open to change, it's exciting. However, it's not worth it if it mucks up the already good usability of the site.
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Everyone hates it = it must be awesome.
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New design = awful. As in, I'll probably just come once a week and read in a block, instead of reading daily.
IMO - WAAAAAAAY too bright, too crammed, and not at all reflective of what I consider to be the QC spirit.
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I liked what Dora did with the decor in Coffee of Doom, with the warm orange and the mahogany woodstain*. I think that might fit the bill for a color scheme people can appreciate, or at least tolerate. Concensus?
The one problem with that is it might be too much of the same look a bit washed out. If you go back to the last strip you'll see what I mean by how closely the library walls are in color to the current layout color and those the comic gets a little lost.
If Jeph were to do a fully red or green theme (similar to how the old blue was, I suppose) I think that might look nice while still being a bit of a change.
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I was thinking the other day "it would be cool if he changed a couple of things around"
So you're to blame for this! :x :lol:
Things need to change every so often.
Why change for the sake of change? And shouldn't there be an option to keep the old design? Then again, I don't know if there was warning because I don't frequent this forum, but if there wasn't...and from the surprised response, I'm guessing that's the case...then perhaps this wasn't thought out very well.
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BIzzarely enough I was thinking it would be cool if he changed around the FAQ and Cast and such, which was the only thing he didn't ^^
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Well, increasing the width to 1000 pixels makes enough room for a second sidebar. This does make the site feel less cluttered and more balanced, and as a bonus (for webmasters anyway) it makes room for an additional 160x600 banner.The problem is, the code keeps doing this:
(http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3200/yarghnl3.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3200/yarghnl3.jpg)
Anybody know how to fix this? I've already messed with the column widths, padding, order they're written into the page, and z-index.
This is what it should be doing:
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.jpg)
Also it screws up beyond all belief in IE 6.
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My first thought was "ugly bitmap font" ("Courier", on windows, is one of these. "Courier New" should go ahead of it on the specifier.)
My second thought was "no forum link".
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I also prefer the old format for most of the same reasons given already.
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I don't object to the light beigey-brown in theory, but it clashes with the black accenty-color scattered throughout the site, and it doesn't work with QC's black frame either (most of the comics that work against a white background have white panel borders and such, if I recall correctly). And the old fonts looked cleaner. And demoting the forums to a tiny sidebar link is lame. And put the newspost back where it belongs.
EDIT: Just looked at a strip in the archive. The comic looks really out of place against the background color.
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Okay, I'm not one to gripe about new layouts and change 'cause they can be good things.
I just have a few opinions to stick in here:
Sidebar blog = infinate win. Having it at the bottom basically hides it, and it's just awkward. Totally bring back the sidebar, Jeph!
Forum button so needs to be put up top.
There should be SOME border on the left side of the comic, just for fluidity. Having color and ads on one side and having the comic flush against the left side of the table just doesn't work well.
Basically I think right now the layout looks kind of cheap and will scare off new readers. And seriously the blog-not-in-sidebar makes Fetus Jesus cry.
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My second thought was "no forum link".
My third thought was "oh, THERE it is" - but, really - most webcomics do have the forums more prominently linked.
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Well, increasing the width to 1000 pixels makes enough room for a second sidebar. This does make the site feel less cluttered and more balanced, and as a bonus (for webmasters anyway) it makes room for an additional 160x600 banner.The problem is, the code keeps doing this:
(http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3200/yarghnl3.th.jpg) (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/3200/yarghnl3.jpg)
Anybody know how to fix this? I've already messed with the column widths, padding, order they're written into the page, and z-index.
This is what it should be doing:
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.jpg)
Also it screws up beyond all belief in IE 6.
Can you post the code somewhere?
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Sure!
800 pixel: http://bicostp.portablesofdoom.org/projects/qcremix/
Support files: http://bicostp.portablesofdoom.org/projects/qcremix/home_files/
1000 pixel: http://bicostp.portablesofdoom.org/projects/qcremix/1000px/
Support files: http://bicostp.portablesofdoom.org/projects/qcremix/1000px/home_files/
Apologies in advance for the messy code edits.
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Okay, sleep and most of a day later, I've had another look...
And I have to say, it was a very courageous (http://www.jonathanlynn.com/books/Complete_Yes_Minister/complete_yes_minister_Quotes.htm) decision to have an excrement-based colour scheme.
[i.e., still hate it. If it gets kept, I'm going to end up just looking at the images for the strip and bypassing the site altogether. Note, BTW, that he said on the twitter that he expects three days of complaining, then everyone to shut up...]
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This is what it should be doing:
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.jpg)
See, brown and white are my favorite colors. So I don't hate the colors. But the layout is a disaster. the one you've posted, however, I could definitely get down with!
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Good lord this new layout is hideous...
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(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.jpg)
Jeph, do this.
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I am not a fan, I was confused when it first loaded and the news post was lost at the bottom of the page. I don't mind change, but making the page less user friendly and an eye sore is not the way to go. Sorry Jeph, I hate to talk bad about something that someone worked hard on. I like the new banner but the other fonts are hard to read and it feels to congested (I know others have said all this, just putting in my two cents worth.)
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I don't really mind the new layout, but I'm liking bicostp's changes too, except for maybe the second sidebar. More ads are for ick. But besides that personal bias, I could think of only three little tweaks that would make it better.
First, a darker and more burgundy background instead of the brown. Seriously, brown is icky. Like horse manure. Secondly, for the righthand sidebar, move the "Other Good Comics" panel to above the ads. And lastly, give the "First, Previous, etc." links some arrows. It just looks better with them. See, look:
<<First <Previous Next> Latest>> Random
Or maybe put 'random' in the center, since it doesn't really go on either end.
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I don't mind the colours, nor the reordering - their both within bounds for an OK change. But what would be an improvement, I think, would be to move the comic slightly over so that the pale background from the top, right and bottom goes up its left edge as well; that would define it better.
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As a web designer/developer, I feel inclined to point some things out:
On colors:
- The human eye is drawn to bright colors.
Because QC makes (somewhat, not always) limited use of bright colors, the new beige color is frequently going to be the brightest color on the page.
I found, as I sifted through old comics to get a feel for the new design, that the beige background was actually pulling my eyes AWAY form the comic itself. - I completely understand that these colors are supposed to reflect coffee of doom's colors. This, however, causes the problem of the edge of the comic feeling ambiguous. Where the comic ends and the background begins isn't as immediately clear as it used to be on some strips.
- Blue is a calming color. It helps a reader to focus on what they are reading, and can actually reduce external "mental noise." Beige, while still a neutral color, is warmer, and thus can increase the number of other things a reader might be thinking about.
On hyperlinks:
This might be more of an opinion - but the new design just wreaks of web1.0... to me it just somehow feels too oldschool.
I think what it is are the floating hyperlinks. Everywhere.
I'm not saying you should make everything look like a button, but a different background color for your hyperlinks would be nice.
Perhaps perserve the idea of a 'navigation bar' up top.
And maybe put all the links to the right in some sort of box...
in short:
Hyperlinks everywhere that look like plain links are no fun.
Finally:
Jeph,
I'm sure you have stared at this site FAR more than any of us. Things get boring after a while. I can totally relate to your desire to just change things up for a bit. We all need change.
Overall I like the new design. I really do.
With a slightly tweaked color scheme (which I know you are working on) and fewer 'hyperlink-looking' hyperlinks, everything will be dandy.
Also, for some lulz, here's how NOT to make a web site:
http://www.pfa.com (http://www.pfa.com)
(I'm a long time QC fan, and forum reader, but I had to register just to make this post XD)
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I really don't like the new layout. I mean, it's peach... :-o
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Sure!
800 pixel: http://bicostp.portablesofdoom.org/projects/qcremix/
Support files: http://bicostp.portablesofdoom.org/projects/qcremix/home_files/
1000 pixel: http://bicostp.portablesofdoom.org/projects/qcremix/1000px/
Support files: http://bicostp.portablesofdoom.org/projects/qcremix/1000px/home_files/
Apologies in advance for the messy code edits.
Fixed in four; remove clear:both and float:left from #comic; Remove #comic img from the specifier list for .clear; Once these [your original problem] are fixed, #comic's top margin rears its ugly head: change #comic's margin property from '190px' [all four 190px margins] to '0 190px' [side margins 190px, top/bottom 0]
No idea what it'll look like in IE6, but this fixes the 1000px version in firefox and makes it do what you want.
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Thanks! That fixed it! And by some miracle, IE 6 doesn't turn it into a pile of randomness!
Uploading the fixed version...
EDIT: 1000px wide version updated. Made a few formatting changes to make the sides feel more even.
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The human eye is drawn to bright colors.
Because QC makes (somewhat, not always) limited use of bright colors, the new beige color is frequently going to be the brightest color on the page.
That does for books, then!
the new design just reeks of web1.0... to me it just somehow feels too oldschool.
Web 2, as I understand it, has no relevance to a page of this sort. Nothing wrong with not beeing too modern-looking - could date less fast.
And yeah, I do web design as part of my job too; but sometimes I think half the world does now!
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everyone uses a screen bigger than 800x600 i hope.
so the 1000px width should be ok (looks very neat actually).
and oh, i wish that he had more updated flash banners for us to put on our site.
the old one uses those prehistoric-look characters.
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the only thing i don't like is the font. i think it'd be tight with a handwritten font.
....but now that i say that, it seems that may be how it used to be....
i can't remember.
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The layout is awful. It looks really cartoony (no pun intended) and childish. It doesn't match with the comic at all. I'd bring the old design back and just change the colors or something.
This in no way reflects my opinions on the comic, which is awesome, and has always been!
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(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.th.jpg) (http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/3024/whydoesntitdothiszu3.jpg)
This makes my OCD happy. The site should look like this.
Even though I still don't like the colors, the organization of that layout makes them bearable.
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There should be a option to the homepage skin...
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Overall, I like the new QC look, which is surprising as I usually hate change. I think it's because the new theme, while very different is as uncomplicated as the old one.
I do have one niggle though, I have noticed that the forum link and associated links in the side bar only appear on the front page, not in the archives. Otherwise good work.
(Using FF3.0.4 if that matters)
EDIT: posted before finished post.
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the only thing i don't like is the font. i think it'd be tight with a handwritten font.
The problem with that is, whoever doesn't have your special font installed will only see Arial/Helvetica anyway. The only way around that is to put all your text into images, and that's one of the worst things you can do.
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the only thing i don't like is the font. i think it'd be tight with a handwritten font.
The problem with that is, whoever doesn't have your special font installed will only see Arial/Helvetica anyway. The only way around that is to put all your text into images, and that's one of the worst things you can do.
It wouldn't have to be all of the text. There's no reason it couldn't be done for, say, just the navigation buttons. And it's not like you couldn't specify a list of fonts for it to go down the list and pick the first one that's installed; and there are some handwriting-like fonts that aren't exactly rare.
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it is HORRIBLE IN THE WORST WAY POSSIBLE.
Change it back before it spreads!
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it is HORRIBLE IN THE WORST WAY POSSIBLE.Change it back before it spreads!
That's pretty accurate, actually.
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Yeah, being not a fan of bright colors, this was a very much bad change for me.
Also -- Didn't the newspost used to have the date the comic was posted? That lacking is kinda annoying, too
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I'd have complained the first day I saw it, but I didn't care to stare at it long enough to work out where the forum button was... Horrifically tacky.
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Interesting choice to change from something that was streamlined and looked very professional to something that looks like it stepped off Geocities in 1998.
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Interesting choice to change from something that was streamlined and looked very professional to something that looks like it stepped off Geocities in 1998.
^^ WIN ^^
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It wouldn't have to be all of the text. There's no reason it couldn't be done for, say, just the navigation buttons. And it's not like you couldn't specify a list of fonts for it to go down the list and pick the first one that's installed; and there are some handwriting-like fonts that aren't exactly rare.
The only commonly installed handwriting font I am aware of is Comic Sans. And Comic Sans is so overused that it has become a major faux-pas (eng: balls up) to use it for anything other than a sign for the local chippy (eng: fast food outlet). There is even a rather nifty font called "I hate Comic Sans".
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Funny you should mention Comic Sans.
There's an entire website devoted to eradicating the font:
http://bancomicsans.com/home.html
And guess who made a poster for them a few years ago?
http://bancomicsans.com/propaganda.html
Anyway, I'll find a handwriting or typewriter font for the navigation and throw it in there. Couldn't hurt!
(Webbery is fun when you're not working with your own messy spaghetti code.)
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Interesting choice to change from something that was streamlined and looked very professional to something that looks like it stepped off Geocities in 1998.
^^ WIN ^^
yes. i agree it looks awfully web 1.0
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Interesting choice to change from something that was streamlined and looked very professional to something that looks like it stepped off Geocities in 1998.
^^ WIN ^^
yes. i agree it looks awfully web 1.0
Yeah. I'm still waiting for him to finish his "tweaking" but I don't think there is going to be any more.
I don't know what Jeph is thinking. But if he's thinking the layout is going to seem less ugly to us the longer it remains up and we have to look at it - that it will "grow on us" - he is wrong. It looked awful the first day and it looks just as awful now. I really wish he'd just do something with it already.
And honestly I'm not griping just because "change sucks" or whatever. I'm not asking for the old blue layout to come back. I don't hate all change. I welcome it typically. Just this change in particular sucks. Alot.
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Jeph, just put the newspost back on the side. I've already missed it once because I've closed the tab once I finish the comic.
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Don't particularly like:
(1) News posts on bottom
(2) Tiny forum link
Things I like:
(1) Color scheme
(2) Page header is nice
/my opinions
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Jeph, Just get rid of the brown background and it'll be fine.
The browness is making me want to bitch slap you with an AK-47 due to what it does to my eyes. :wink:
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I'm trying to get used to it, but I still hate it. :-(
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Please Jeph, just put the newspost back where it belongs.
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please change the color of the hyperlinks. the normal blue that you see for every link looks sooo tacky and ucky with the othercolors
i dont mind the color change but i definatly don't like how everything was moved around.
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Don't particularly like:
(1) News posts on bottom
(2) Tiny forum link
Things I like:
(1) Color scheme
(2) Page header is nice
/my opinions
Totally agree with you there
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In Opera I'm not even seeing a link to the forums at all.
Maybe that's a good thing.
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I see it in Opera - but as someone pointed out, it's only on the main page, not on the archive pages (because it's no longer in the header, but in the links).
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Small tweak: I changed the color scheme to match the new one and stuck a handwriting font in for the navigation. (This was only done in Photoshop, the actual HTML page still just has Arial navigation.)
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9733/handwritingnl5.th.jpg) (http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9733/handwritingnl5.jpg)
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The bad part is that Jeph doesn't read these forums.
Bloody hell, I know it's mean, but maybe we should spam his inbox with Bicostps design? Since it's better and all that.
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The bad part is that Jeph doesn't read these forums.
Oh, did he finally take my advice and stop reading them? Because I know he sure as hell did when I started posting here.
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It's staying that way, anyway. I don't think Jeph has time to go through the whole forum, but he does go on a few of them (like the ask jeph thread?)
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The bad part is that Jeph doesn't read these forums.
Bloody hell, I know it's mean, but maybe we should spam his inbox with Bicostps design? Since it's better and all that.
NO. Here's a better idea. YOU acknowledge his right to do WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS with HIS comic and HIS web site. Then, leave him alone. If you people hate the layout so much, read via RSS.
edited to fix grammar fail.
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Hey plumbob, I guarantee you are taking this more seriously than anyone else here, especially Snalin. Please calm down, it's not like Snalin said WHAT THE FUCK JEPH SUCKS HE CAN'T EVEN LAYOUT A WEBSITE
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I apologize for any offense, but I assure you, I am very calm. I liked the old layout better, too. But I don't think anyone's complaints are going to change anything, so I'm not going to piss and moan about it.
The only thing I take seriously about any of this is my contention that trying to circumvent Jeph's not reading the forums by "spamming" him with complaints/suggestions via e-mail would be incredibly rude and equally as useless as bitching here.
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NO. Here's a better idea. YOU acknowledge his right to do WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS with HIS comic and HIS web site.
Unless QC is funded by Jeph's wife, it is my understanding that the fans (directly or indirectly) are the ones who are paying for the website and comic to exist, so I think it's valid to voice criticism, especially when the drop in quality is so sudden and so drastic.
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Voicing criticism and spamming are two completely different things. Maybe what people meant by "spamming" here is not what I am taking them to mean.
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I agree. It's Jeph's comic after all, and the fans do fund it via merch and stuff but at the end of the day it's not like they're gonna stop reading the comic/ buying the shirts if the new layout is too brown for their taste. Spamming his inbox isn't going to do shit, just piss him off.
Also, regarding the colours the blue reflected Marten's apartment but then he moved away from that, went to a much lighter shade of blue on the walls and now the colour mirrors the coffee house's
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Small tweak: I changed the color scheme to match the new one and stuck a handwriting font in for the navigation. (This was only done in Photoshop, the actual HTML page still just has Arial navigation.)
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9733/handwritingnl5.th.jpg) (http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9733/handwritingnl5.jpg)
Damnit, this is what we need.
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The forum link is on the side now, I really liked it at the top.
Yeah, I had a heck of a time finding it. I don't post that often, but I wanted to visit the forum, and I was like, "Uh, where did the forum go?"
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*bump*
Hummmmmm. It's all (mostly) dark now. Are more changes afoot? It already looks better than it did.
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I thought this thread died cos everyone was used to the new colour
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NO. Here's a better idea. YOU acknowledge his right to do WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS with HIS comic and HIS web site.
Unless QC is funded by Jeph's wife, it is my understanding that the fans (directly or indirectly) are the ones who are paying for the website and comic to exist, so I think it's valid to voice criticism, especially when the drop in quality is so sudden and so drastic.
I agree with this.
I haven't read the whole thread mind you and i'm sure at this point i'm bordering on EXCESSIVELY redundant, but lord I miss the old design. The new one makes my eyes bleed.
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You should probably see a doctor about that
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Oh look, it changed again. Nice background color scheme, but what's up with the fluorescent orange and blue? I think they kind of look out of place against the asphalt gray.
@Jeph: I don't know if you're currently working on it or what, but the sidebar is broken in Firefox 2 and IE 6. It shows up where it belongs horizontally, but it only starts at the bottom of the news box. Opera renders it properly.
Disregard that, the page breakage was caused by a userstyle script I had running. :oops:
Layout = yes.
Colors = wut?
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Haha, it took me a while to reaslise something had changed. only when I realised the right nav bar was "missing" that it occured to me
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It looks nicer than before, but the forums link is still tiny and down on the side. I wonder if that will ever change now?
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Hated the last cream/maroon one, but I LOVE the new orange/blue/grey one.
:)
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I reckon a cartoon city scape would be good behind the text
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Ugh! I saw the orange and blue and had to check the date because I thought it was April Fools come early.
And then I had to see what other people thought and then I logged in to post because I'm so surprised other people like it.
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I know how much effort goes into creating a new layout (being a web dev by trade)... but I had to sign up to the forums to plea for a rethink on the colours; I just don't think they are a good choice. In fact, the new title today (orange and blue) has just made matters worse.
The new layout simply doesn't do the comic the justice it deserves; it cheapens it to something that looks like it came out of a school project :-(
- Yours ignored,
Lewis
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Seriously? I like how the orange and blue looks on the gray. It's much more comic-appropriate than the tan was, anyway. It is annoying how you still have to go to the home page to get to any of the other links, but it's not completely dysfunctional so it doesn't really matter.
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It's.. Alright.
The orange is ugly, and seriously, everybody has complained about the forum link being where it is. Can we PLEASE have it back on the top?
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Jeph has expressed his disdain for the state of these forums more than once. Don't you hide the things you're ashamed of? If it's so difficult for you to get to the forums, bookmark them. Problem solved.
Oh, and I like having the newspost on the bottom. Sometimes it contains spoilers, and you're supposed to read it after the comic anyways.
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I like this green-orange-blue look. That other layout was a tad dull for my taste.