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Fun Stuff => CHATTER => Topic started by: Patrick on 02 Feb 2009, 07:00
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I know I am going to get shit for this. Which is why I'm glad I'll be out of the country and, due to those circumstances, pretty much incommunicado for the next month.
Nobody here can take a joke. I have seen countless instances of people making what look to me to be good, friendly ribbing. Instead of the butt-end of the joke taking it like a reasonable person, they blow up in the other person's face and start getting way too goddamn serious.
And what's worse than anything is that it is people who have been here long enough to know better. We should be ashamed of ourselves, talking like we want to make the forums more welcoming, and then going around and being shitcunts to anybody who says anything about our mothers or whatever the fuck. Maybe the one thread where this isn't true is the insult thread.
Basically, if you are going to be a prick to people, get the fuck out, go home, see the world, vent your frustration, just fucking stop what you're doing. You are the fuckers who complain about the forums going sour. If you don't throw your trash in the river, you won't have to deal with the flood.
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Oh, also, mods/admins: if you are going to ban me like I am pretty sure you will (and assuming it's only a tempb&), make it effective March 1 so I can enjoy the full extent of it. Otherwise it'll just be wasted while I am on holiday.
To the rest of you: pay attention. We are all responsible for this shit.
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If rape isn't funny, I don't know what is.
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This thread is clearly supposed to be a personal insult directed at me and I am deeply offended.
PS. Your mother.
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You should be offended, you suck at life.
(maybe we should just turn this into a non-confrontational vent thread)
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What are forums for if not to act as you would in real life if there were no repercussions though?
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Patrick you fuck I thought this was going to be an updated thread about The Talk and how we grow up sexually. Not this bullshit.
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I don't get it who is being a dick, the insulter or the insultée?
Also QQ more.
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I actually don't really know what you are talking about here man. I can't think of too many occasions when someone takes offence to a joke and is a twat about it. I mean there are plenty of times when someone takes a joke not in the way it was intended, but that usually ends a post or two later with both parties apologising for the misunderstanding.
Unless there is a big incident I have missed or something.
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Thus Patrick, from on high, surveyed the landscape and in his contemplation spake these words:
Blessed are the threadmakers, for theirs is the Kingdom of Hurr.
Blessed are those who troll, for they shall provoke discussion.
Blessed are the Meeblers, for they shall divide the community.
Blessed are the old timers, for they shall long for days past.
Blessed are the newbies, for they shall miss inside jokes.
Blessed is JJaques, for his is the kingdom of QC for which he cares not.
So it was written, and so it shall be.
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After dinner I might post up a pic of my cock.
brb- mac n chez
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I know I am going to get shit for this. Which is why I'm glad I'll be out of the country and, due to those circumstances, pretty much incommunicado for the next month.
Nobody here can take a joke. I have seen countless instances of people making what look to me to be good, friendly ribbing. Instead of the butt-end of the joke taking it like a reasonable person, they blow up in the other person's face and start getting way too goddamn serious.
And what's worse than anything is that it is people who have been here long enough to know better. We should be ashamed of ourselves, talking like we want to make the forums more welcoming, and then going around and being shitcunts to anybody who says anything about our mothers or whatever the fuck. Maybe the one thread where this isn't true is the insult thread.
Basically, if you are going to be a prick to people, get the fuck out, go home, see the world, vent your frustration, just fucking stop what you're doing. You are the fuckers who complain about the forums going sour. If you don't throw your trash in the river, you won't have to deal with the flood.
QFT. Nice that somebody came out and said it
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Patrick you fuck I thought this was going to be an updated thread about The Talk and how we grow up sexually. Not this bullshit.
glad i'm not the only one who thought that when first reading the thread title.
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(This is in response to Crohnsy)
No, seriously, can you give me a couple of examples of this kind of behaviour?
I wouldn't say it counts if it's a new poster getting up in arms about someone making them the butt of a joke, because that is a perfectly reasonable reaction even if the joke was meant to be light hearted.
I'm not trying to be a dick about this but it is pretty unfair to call out the entire forum for not being able to take a joke without giving a single example. I guess you maybe don't want to name names which is understandable but a bit counter productive.
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Sadly for me, there was a cat in my mug today.
(http://www.gearfuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/mug-cat.jpg)
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i see your cat and raise you a miniature pig that tried to steal my tea
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10_03/piggy_468x321.jpg)
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Sadly for me, there was a cat in my mug today.
IN WHAT TWISTED ALTERNATE REALITY IS THIS A BAD THING?!
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No, seriously, can you give me a couple of examples of this kind of behaviour?
I think he means the Sweeping Generalizations thread, which got a bit narky for a while around the middle of page 2.
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The twisted alternate reality when the alternative was this:
(http://www.naturalcoffee.co.uk/Scc/lemonvibes.jpg)
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(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a207/Xyljin/funny_picture_kittens_in_a_teacup.jpg)
Two cats.
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I am going to take this seriously because I think it's a fun idea. Here is what is on my mug (plus a silly face for all my fans)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3390/3248560948_a08646170c.jpg?v=0)
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There was a Boston Bruins logo on my coffee mug this morning.
I am pretty boring, I know.
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Alex, one of those should probably have a puppy in it.
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I know, isn't he just the Best Thing? Every time I enjoy a beverage out of that mug I am just giddy.
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patrick, haven't you made this thread before? i swear we have had this same conversation here not all that long ago...
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Patrick you make these threads sometimes and you talk like you have the right answers but really most of the time I just go 'what, what are you talking about?'. I know this forum has problems but really, not to the order of you needing to make a thread about how bad shit is.
I have been a dick to some new people. I generally stand by what I've done recently.
If you want to debate that, PM me, I don't think we need a big flame thread.
This is not going to get you banned, why would you think that?
Next time you feel the need to say this kind of stuff, get the fuck out, go home, see the world, vent your frustration, just chill a bit and see if you actually need to be getting stupid-preachy at a bunch of people.
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No, seriously, can you give me a couple of examples of this kind of behaviour?
I think he means the Sweeping Generalizations thread, which got a bit narky for a while around the middle of page 2.
This. And this is not the only example of it.
And James, honestly, the way you're trying to uphold your apparent right to be a total dick to new people isn't exactly defending your case. You're basically saying, "You're right, this is what's going on, and you know what? I don't give a fatty shit, I'm going to keep shitting up the forum just 'cause I feel like bullying new kids."
Man, Tommy, I wish you would actually address the problems here instead of changing the subject just because you don't like to hear how much shit sucks. I'm calling it how I see it. Just because people still practically worship your shit-smeared toilet bowl doesn't mean there is nothing shitty going on with the way other people are getting treated.
And yeah, I'm running off to another country. Maybe when I come back you guys will stop being cunts to each other.
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Patrick I would like you to show me one instance of James bullying a new kid.
And Tommy didn't address the problems here because there are not problems. Just because everyone isn't sunshine and daisies all the time doesn't mean we're all dicks. It's the nature of the forum. Sack up, grow a pair, grow up, and get over it.
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James, what's on your motherfucking mug you fat fuck.
Son, we need to have a talk. We're worried about you. This obsession with mugs is worrying your new mother and I.
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Son, if you don't stop drinking coffee you will never be able to fall asleep again. I am not lying to you. Would your father lie to you?
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It's interesting how as more and more forumites meet in real life, and large-scale continent-wide meet-ups become a regular thing, the virtual connection between the same people begins to fall apart.
Someone said recently that we're all here because we're not that great at this kind of stuff in real life, and I wholeheartedly agree with them. Many of us use the internet as a social tool, to stroke our egos and make friends without the pressure of the physical world and, to some extent, to be appraised as people in a less hurtful way than if someone did it in real life. Maybe as we start changing that and moving beyond avatars to real faces, a tight-knit community online becomes less imperative.
Guys honestly these forums are that friendship that you had with a member of the opposite sex which always seemed like it was deep, and went beyond sexual attraction. The one that you couldn't ever keep together or find reasons to renew once something of a romantic sort came and went. It just isn't going to be exactly the way it was before! A community will change like a living thing based upon who joins or leaves it and neither expecting nor desiring stagnation will help it be a great place.
In-joke has piled up upon in-joke and we're taking it far more seriously than necessary. There is being too mean and there is not knowing how to take a joke but none of that is being argued here. I'm only saying that the sooner we all realize and accept the fact that the forums are bound to change, the faster what feels like a rift in the community will heal. Old posters are bound to leave, new ones are bound to show up. The content won't stay the same, as a result. But we can always make it fun and exciting and worth it to be here. The minute we quit beating dead horses.
And for the love of god don't post threads whining about other people whining.
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I will stand with Patrick on this one. I've lurked enough to get a picture of this forum. There's the clic of people here who are all friends and have known each other forever that just seem to not want new people around. Theres this image that new users are welcome but its a pretty daunting task to break into a clic thats unwanting of meeting new people in the forum. obviously not everyone in this group are like that, but there are a good few and they make their opinion known at every chance.
If you can't handle that this forum grows and changes then it should be locked with the selected memberbase.
It could be like that forum with only one user
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To be fair, I registered almost two years ago and breaking into the clique was just as daunting back then.
That's just the way this forum works and that's fine. But the teasing of newbies used to be good natured since there was an established community, and now that new members are replacing older members rather than just joining up, it's gotten mean spirited.
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This forum is really not bad for a new guy unless you are making a total ass of yourself. All you need is time. You will get noticed if you post consistently and aren't stupid. And even then you'll get shit every once in awhile, but everybody does and you should get thicker skin about it. This is the internet. Chances are the guy who broadsides you one day is going to up and forget about it the next. Don't take shit personally. I'm on amiable terms now with several people who I clashed with in my early days on the forum.
Gene has the right of it, in that over time people just become less attached to the forums. I wouldn't attribute that to meetups, or meebo, or anything else. It's just how things work. It's happened to me a number of times over the years. It will probably happen with this forum eventually. A cool regular poster turns a new page in his meatlife and stops posting, people get married, they just disappear, and your regular places become less attractive to you. And so more people leave. And it's supposed to happen, the forums aren't any fun if people who have no investment in it stay around. What will often happen in that case is that they will get bored and start shit. And new people will come in. I can't go back to my old forums, I don't recognize any of the regulars.
Honestly I'm not seeing the big apocalyptic crisis that this forum is going through. There seems to be an aversion to conflict that a lot of people on these forums share, like the DISCUSS forum and harsh words elsewhere are going to tear our community apart. This isn't the case. All the people I talk to who see DISCUSS as a blemish on the forums never participate in it. Guys, you know what's 1000x more retarded than DISCUSS? The comic discussion forums. I find them completely odious. So I don't go into them. I don't whinge about them. And I don't fear the board's impending shittification due to them, because they're relatively self-contained and harmless. And it's not like disagreement has been an impediment to internet friendship on this forum. Khar and I disagree on a whole lot of things politically, musically, socially, but he's still a rad dude and we get along. People disagree with one another all the time and it's rarely destructive. The dust up in the music judgment thread lasted less than a page and nobody left in tears and nobody became sworn enemies.
And we've got this new forum thing we're trying out, so what. If you're interested, join it. If not, don't. There aren't any gatekeepers. There isn't a "clique", there isn't a hidden forum you get invited to when you've been deemed worthy of it (I've been to forums that had one) There are people who have been here a long time and new people, and the latter becoming the former is a long process that is entirely independent of anyone else. People aren't going to seek you out as an internet pal because you're there and you know how fuckin' cool you are. You've got to put yourself out there.
tl;dr Don't be a pussy, QC forums.
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Patrick you fuck I thought this was going to be an updated thread about The Talk and how we grow up sexually. Not this bullshit.
I'm totally in favor of changing topics to this mid-thread.
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regardless of whether or not Patrick is right, the only solution is obviously to just not be a dick (something i pride myself on). and then, when people start shitting things up, just do what i do: ignore it, and continue being extra-nice. that will make the dicks look like even bigger dicks and eventually they'll probably stop.
basically, just don't be a dick.
unfortunately, i don't drink coffee so i don't have any sweet mugs to show off; as for "The Talk" well, the only advice i can offer is this: do not pee in peoples' vaginas. that will accomplish nothing and also result pee everywhere. just don't do it.
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now that new members are replacing older members
really?
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Mai, read threads from 2006.
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Its true, one day you will try and talk to Jens and find me hidden behind his avatar, ahahahahahahahahahaha!
I like this forum, its a nice place and I certainly haven't been bullied.
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Forumites who I remember from 2007 who don't really post much anymore:
Ally(Bee)
Tyler
Switchblade
Rizzo
heretic
Chuck
There's certainly more that are slipping my mind.
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Man I miss heretic.
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Alex, one of those should probably have a puppy in it.
No way man, Maida raised a pig. I need two fluffy animals of the same suit to handle that, srsly.
Also, I feel sort of bummed that some people apparently think things are so awful around here. As relatively new blood I feel a bit like I've failed to be awesome enough or something. Ah well, it's just the internets.
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And James, honestly, the way you're trying to uphold your apparent right to be a total dick to new people isn't exactly defending your case. You're basically saying, "You're right, this is what's going on, and you know what? I don't give a fatty shit, I'm going to keep shitting up the forum just 'cause I feel like bullying new kids."
see this is weird cos i think james is one of the most frequently hilarious and brilliant contributors to this forum and i'm sure lots of other people will agree with me on this. i'm being nitpicky but seriously, what is this statement supposed to be based on?
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As relatively new blood I feel a bit like I've failed to be awesome enough or something.
Sweet, we've got a scapegoat! It's okay folks, it's all Alex C's fault.
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I think a fair number of people here are used to using this place to stroke their egos and become highly secure in their values.
So when someone presents a value that seems alien to them, the reaction is sharp. Unlike in real life, where you'd probably back off a bit and try to understand, I think there's a lot of knee-jerk reactions. This is thankfully (and ironically) absent from the Discuss! sub-forum, which is good because it means people are making exceptions to their values for the sake of discussion. But perhaps that should apply to other sub-forums?
As a member of this forum who probably causes more than their fair share of disagreement, I should make it clear that no-one is trying to diss your values in most cases. Honestly, who gives a fuck? I've certainly got better things to do than deconstructing the views of some other person on the internet. So, if you at all feel confronted at some point by what someone else says, perhaps it's worth looking at it with a slightly different set of values for a minute?
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I don't really agree that people around here are so mean to newbies. I have always felt pretty welcomed, and I'm certainly not one of old guard. Sure, when I started out I was capable of being kind of a dick, but hey, people called me on it, and I stopped being a dick. Sometimes I even apologized.
I see new people come in and act argumentative, and then complain that this forum is such a clique. It is generally frowned upon to start making personal digs on people who you've just met in real life, and it's not particularly nice to do so on the internet either. People just do it, because it is the internet and it's so much easier when you can't see someone face to face. There have been instances where someone more established was unnecessarily mean, but others usually sweep in to defend the new kid. Everyone has good days and bad days, but generally this forum seems to be mainly decent people.
Discuss can get a little hard to defend, just because it seems like the majority of us are quite liberal, so some newbie with a dissenting opinion might get shit on more than is really fair. I can kind of understand why some of the more dickish newbs have come off as so dickish. When ten people in a row say "NO YOU ARE WRONG AND PROBABLY A BAD PERSON," you might react badly. It's not an excuse, it's just understandable.
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I have been posting since I first connected to the Internet in 1991. Even then there were similar spats from time to time; and different forums ("bulletin boards") varied on how bad these were and how they were handled. As the mean age of people using the Internet has fallen, and the sheer size of the Internet has exploded, some places have got a lot more unruly; but this place is as civilised as the others I visit regularly, in spite of not being dedicated to a single subject. One reason I enjoy it, in fact, is the opportunity to see young people bucking the all-too-common stereotype of the young being ignorant, feckless and aimless - I see plenty of evidence here (though not only here) that the next generation is not going to mess things up any worse than its predecessors did, and may do some things better. I find this rather a relief...
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If this forum can seem cliquey, I think one reason is the trend towards addressing each-other by our real names. This isn't something that was done except in a few very, very rare cases when I first joined. Personally I like it: this forum has always seemed more like a community than a bunch of strangers on the internet, but to someone just starting out here it could easily make the place seem harder to crack. But then, I've seen relatively new people suddenly being addressed by their first name by some of the regulars, and it feels a bit like they've been accepted into the fold. I presume the reason behind this is that they've started frequenting Gabbly or Meebo or whatever the chat-room of the day is.
I guess Darryl/Sox's introductions thread is helping people get to know who everyone is, but maybe we need some kind of Who's Who list posted somewhere too? Just so that new people don't get all overwhelmed wondering who Jon is or James or whoever.
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To be fair, I registered almost two years ago and breaking into the clique was just as daunting back then.
Hell, I've been posting here for three and I still haven't.
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Apart from your terrible, terrible username.
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I should change it, I know.
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I'm still pretty new here, and thus far I don't think anyone's really bitten my head off. I do notice people being a little touchy sometimes, but I think that's pretty much par for the course with people, whether in meat life or on the tubes. Not a huge deal at all, imo.
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I swear this was brought up in either one of Kieffer's threads or Clara's thread. There is this thing that people are a bit harsh to new people, or people who frequent the WCTs/General Discussion. New threads have been shat on a lot. It was brought up and people agree we should do something abotu the clique-y stand-offishness of the place.
Yes, people need to remember that there is a thing called "fun". That was definitely brought up in Clara's thread. I don't really see why Patrick needed to start a thread telling us how we are all arseholes that can't take a joke, because we kind of already covered this? I am generally the kind of person who tries to be nice to everyone and give them a chance and all that palaver, but even then I will still jump on a bandwagon or call someone new an idiot on occasion. It's something that I know and feel a little bad about afterwards, but hell, we're all human. This thread seems like Patrick getting annoyed at something little and deciding to make sure we all knew he was annoyed (but that is just my reading of the situation, please don't yell at me if I have gotten it wrong, ok?).
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Also, here is my mug
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v663/Lapuz/me/090203.jpg)
It is too hot for tea, though.
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see this is weird cos i think james is one of the most frequently hilarious and brilliant contributors to this forum and i'm sure lots of other people will agree with me on this. i'm being nitpicky but seriously, what is this statement supposed to be based on?
What about the people who don't, and just think he is being a dick? Are you saying we should just ignore everybody who is offended by the way somebody treats them? I am not saying that James is going around being a dick. Quite to the contrary, I honestly like the guy. I'm saying that there is no reason for him to defend dickery for dickery's sake.
Patrick if this (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,16326.msg770171.html#msg770171) is your idea of not being a dick to people we don't know then honestly I don't think your word holds a lot of weight in this argument.
Man, I qualified myself as having made a joke not 3 posts down and they still would not accept it. And when people act pissy at me despite me trying to explain myself, yeah, I go on the defensive. Thanks for your time. (see what I did there? I did it again. I AM SO SELF-FULFILLING I COULD SURVIVE ON MY OWN SHIT FOR A DECADE)
Also, for Tommy: that doesn't answer the question, nor does it solve the problem. Working hard at building a new building is just going to leave the shitty old ones crumbling, and it's going to leave a lot of people homeless. Refusing to address the problem seems to be born out of pure laziness and an unwillingness to sacrifice people's respect. I know you've got cool-kid status, so you've got plenty to lose by pissing people off (which is why I am doing it, because I know nobody gives a shit whether I come or go). But man, if you're going to sit around while the other cool kids go around pissing in the preschoolers' lunches, you are just as bad as they are.
(Hannah your assessment is not inaccurate, but it is only half accurate. Yeah, I overreacted by starting an entire thread, but honestly, it only gets half-discussed and nothing ever comes of it, and the same shit keeps happening despite it)
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i kind of like ryan's username. he is really awesome and one of my favourite people here and it's sort of a reminder that even he still had to start out somewhere.
i am kind of thinking that the more you draw attention to things the more you single people about and make everything awkward and so maybe if new people are being treated shitty, starting an entire thread and throwing blame around is kind of counterproductive? like hannah said? and not only did we kind of address this already, like hannah also said, but it might be more productive if we could just be civil and discreet about it whenever incidents do occur and then move on? like if you're at a party and you're there with your friends, and you're drinking and having fun, then some people you've never met before show up all like "oh hey we heard there was a party" and you are mean to them, wouldn't you prefer for your friends to say to you "hey, why were you mean, stop being mean" and you are all "oh dang i am sorry" and they are all "it's cool, don't worry about it, let's go do some shots" than for them to stop the party and make an announcement that people should stop being dicks to the new people which not only feels awkward but also everyone knows they are talking about you? cos that feels like a bit of a similar analogy to me.
patrick, i really am curious as to who thinks james is a dick, besides you. i've heard a lot of praise and not a single complaint from anyone else. he is an excellent contributor and i really think this would definitely be a much less intelligent and funny place without him. i think when he said he was kind of a dick he was mainly referring to your accusing tine, and now that you've admitted you don't dislike him either the whole thing is sort of silly and redundant. if you're going to say people think he's a dick, name some people or else it's a pointless accusation and equally pointless argument.
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Patrick, it only gets half-discussed because there is only so much people can say about the situation before people start repeating themselves and then everyone stops listening. What are we supposed to do, tell everyone that you are not allowed to get mad at someone if they get offended at a joke? some people will take things a different way and get annoyed at different things, so there is no way to control individual people's reactions. Do you want mods and admins to post a sticky saying "CHEER UP YOU FUCKS"? Tempbans for anyone being dicks to newbies? You're telling us things a lot of us already know, but there is nothing really to do other than hope that people realise they are being jerks and start lightening up. That is, unless you or someone else can think of soemthing that would drastically change how people think.
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my ugly mug -
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7468/img1391pm1.jpg)
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Man, this shit again. Oh no, how terrible. There is a bunch of people who know each other and you are not a part of it. Oh no, a bloo bloo fucking bloo. sack the fuck up
Also: replace the red thing on Han's mug with a light blue thing and that is what is on my mug.
Oh, I also have a mug with a polar bear on. It's tops.
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@Tania: It was an example, as I clarified. And the point is that popularity is a bulletproof vest around here.
Using your same analogy, if there's a bunch of people at a party throwing food at anybody who comes in the door, then yeah, I think it's justifiable to stop the party and say "Hey, stop being dicks, we are trying to have a party here."
I don't understand why people have to shit down my throat for refusing to let it slip back out of the spotlight. If people know there's assholery going on, they are more careful to not be assholes themselves. Then again, I expected this to happen as soon as I hit the "post" button to start the thread. My lack of faith in people's resolve has never failed me yet.
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James is a dick because he stole my name. Your popularity vest doesn't scare me you malodorous bastard.
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Yeah but the problem is that we noticed that people are being harsh to new people and that we need to remember how to have fun about three complaint posts ago. Since then a few cool posts have popped up and while it's not an instant fix I feel like hopefully we're heading in the right direction.
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also, if you really, REALLY feel this is a problem worth starting a thread for, you should probably consider lowering the accusing tone. original post again -
I know I am going to get shit for this. Which is why I'm glad I'll be out of the country and, due to those circumstances, pretty much incommunicado for the next month.
Nobody here can take a joke. I have seen countless instances of people making what look to me to be good, friendly ribbing. Instead of the butt-end of the joke taking it like a reasonable person, they blow up in the other person's face and start getting way too goddamn serious.
And what's worse than anything is that it is people who have been here long enough to know better. We should be ashamed of ourselves, talking like we want to make the forums more welcoming, and then going around and being shitcunts to anybody who says anything about our mothers or whatever the fuck. Maybe the one thread where this isn't true is the insult thread.
Basically, if you are going to be a prick to people, get the fuck out, go home, see the world, vent your frustration, just fucking stop what you're doing. You are the fuckers who complain about the forums going sour. If you don't throw your trash in the river, you won't have to deal with the flood.
i'm doing a bit of assuming here, but the bolded bits kind of sound like really harsh complaints towards individual people which you've half-heartedly tried to disguise as general complaints. if you think the forum's going downhill, what's wrong with saying "hey guys, i think the thread's going downhill - what do you think?" people won't listen and be civil towards you unless you're civil to them. we're all sort of nerds who hang out on a message board all day so there is little doubt in my mind that if you ask everyone to participate in a discussion about the quality of this forum, most of them will - they hang out here all day anyway. but you get all high and mighty and yell at them, well, unfortunately they'll probably just tell you to fuck off and walk away. i probably would, i don't like being yelled at. them's the breaks.
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Dude, your trying to do a good thing, but if I am honest I haven't suffered anything (I know I am not the newest guy here but still), sure it will take some time for me to become one of the regulars, but good grief thats the fun of it. The fun of getting to know people, see what they are like, how they tick thats the fun thing about places like this, its not made of fine crystal.
Also, est? I thought you said your mug had a polar bear in it, now that I would pay to see.
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Also, I haven't seen anyone "throwing food at everyone who comes in the door" recently, even if that is the past week, probably longer. If this had been said a month ago, we all would have (probably gotten mad at you) seen this as a legitimate problem, but we're already getting better, or at least some of us are trying.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v663/Lapuz/estmugs.jpg)
estmugs
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Using your same analogy, if there's a bunch of people at a party throwing food at anybody who comes in the door, then yeah, I think it's justifiable to stop the party and say "Hey, stop being dicks, we are trying to have a party here."
Also, your analogy here is incorrect. From what I have experienced it is more that there's a bunch of people having a party and sometimes shitheads come in so we swear at them until they leave or I kick them out forcibly. If people are nice and fit in with the tone of the forum then there's generally no problem. The problems start when people act like shitcocks from the get go, can't tell that they don't fit in with the general tone of the forum (that's life) or are generally just some other flavour of moron.
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I wonder what would happen if everyone stopped using the board to stroke their own egos?
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i'm not so sure i know what you mean by that either.
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Yeah Alex, please explain what you mean by that
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My mug!
I was home earlier and was surrounded my amazing mugs (including a couple of mugs that says "Trolls of Norway" and a mug with a picture of bamboo and when you pour hot stuff in it a panda appears behind the bamboo), but I had no camera. It wasn't until I was back in my apartment that I realized I could have used my web cam. Well, what's not done is not done, here I am with my huge Starbucks mug. It's not as cool as the others but it'll do.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e263/blooper663/Bilde005.jpg)
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You guys are so cliquey, has anyone ever noticed that before?
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pfff, whatever new guy
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He wants to taste the curb!
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As a new person I sure found it incredibly difficult to assimilate in to the forum. Now if you'll please excuse me, I have to put on The Smiths and cry about how noone loves me.
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Woooo, let's lynch him, wooooo
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Oh hey let's lynch Tom too, wooooo
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v663/Lapuz/graham_chapman_colonel.jpg)
This thread has gotten entirely too silly.
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I think that makes sense doesn't it?
Excuse me, I have to go cry about how some people on the internet were being mean to me :cry:
On a more serious note (I agree about this getting TOO SILLY), interbutt cliques are a natural phenomena, they can not be stopped, so don't even try.
It's part of the reason I enjoy sometimes posting on 4chan or last.fm, too many people/forced anonymity = no cliques
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Dear Blog Thread,
Nobody is listening to me any more a bloo blooo
Love, fatty.
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if you've been here a while it's a given you are going to see a lot of people come and go. not to act like an authority on this, i know others have been here much longer but i've been here since 2005 or so and the rule i seem to have observed based on my own entry and on how others have been welcomed is that if you try to contribute at least a little bit and are nice to everyone, there is almost no way they won't be nice back toward you. we're occasionally a bit harsh but a really substantial portion of people still decide to stick around. when we're nice to each other, we're pretty goddamn nice in that we invite each other to meetups and sleep on each others' couches and send each other mail packages and offer each other advice in difficult times and occasionally make out with each other. stuff like that. as far as message boards go i really don't think we're all that bad.
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Dear Blog Thread,
Nobody is listening to me any more a bloo blooo
Love, fatty.
GET A BLOG
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There's not a damn thing wrong with this forum that can't be fixed by all you fuckers contributing to my weather story thread.
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FUCK YEAH I FOUND IT
(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5685/img1398lc1.jpg)
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okay i think the important thing for us to come away with in this thread is complete recognition that i, mooface, am the owner of the Best Mug.
lalala here i am with my cute circus mug that says "who is in my cup?" on it...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/3248679579_2208404bb9.jpg?v=0)
oh shit who IS in my cup?!
it's a lion!!!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3258/3248679587_8f3e2ebe84.jpg?v=0)
and that is why i win and i will always win.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3371/3248679635_bd16da4308.jpg?v=0)
true story: i've had this mug since i was like 5 years old, and when i was a kid i would always drink my milk from it really fast so the lion wouldn't drown. (okay okay i still do it)
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Was ist das? Das ist der ball. Ist der ball rund? Ja, der ball ist rund. Ist der ball schwartz? Ja, der ball ist schwartz.
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It kind of looks like you've coughed up a large ball of phlegm in the shape of a lion.
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DAMN YOU MAI
I HAD IT IN MY GRASP
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KvP, your avatar reminds me of RawrxSkittles.
Please...please change it.
Patrick, man, why didn't you just post this thought in one of the other threads about how much the forum sucks right now?
EDIT: Thanks man.
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I will stand with Patrick on this one. I've lurked enough to get a picture of this forum. There's the clic of people here who are all friends and have known each other forever that just seem to not want new people around. Theres this image that new users are welcome but its a pretty daunting task to break into a clic thats unwanting of meeting new people in the forum. obviously not everyone in this group are like that, but there are a good few and they make their opinion known at every chance.
If you can't handle that this forum grows and changes then it should be locked with the selected memberbase.
It could be like that forum with only one user
The Pokemon one? That guy is just sad.
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Forumites who I remember from 2007 who don't really post much anymore:
Ally(Bee)
Tyler
Switchblade
Rizzo
heretic
Chuck
There's certainly more that are slipping my mind.
dude what the fuck is wrong with your brain
huda
gryff
mnementh
duchess tapioca
I mean seriously
I think he means the Sweeping Generalizations thread, which got a bit narky for a while around the middle of page 2.
Well now I'm glad I never even bothered to peek in that thread. The topic title just sounded so tedious to me, like we're bringing the music forum here too.
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I wanted to reply to some posts but seriously I do not feel it is necessary. Patrick, this was kind of messed up.
Here are my mugs! I like my mugs a lot!
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/jgcrawfo/MUGS.jpg?t=1233636927)
The brown ones with coasters are my newest acquisitions (actually I got them the same time I got a set of tiny black ones but I only seem to have one of those left off on the left there) and they are the present favorites. They look really good with coffee in them. I think they are just a really nice colour, plus they all have matching saucers which is a big plus.
In the front are the old favorites, which are second hand to me from my aunt and uncle. They also came with some shallow bowls in the same colour scheme, and I have liked them for a long while. I thought I had more of them, but maybe they are getting broken over time? That thought makes me sad, they are my favorite favorites, really.
The little black one there I have already mentioned.
The two black ones to the right are just occasion/branded mugs. The shiny one I got from the Waterloo Symposium in Undergraduate Mathematics (my school hosted a mini math conference one summer when the Canadian Undergraduate Math Conference was in B.C.); I think it's actually just a 40th anniversary Waterloo mug that they had lying around and gave to us to give away. The other one you can't really see the label on because it is in black. You can see it in real life and it is actually pretty cool. It was the second mug I got from ATI, at the end of my second co-op term with them. It is a solid mug.
The beige and the green beehive mugs in the back are actually the first mugs I ever bought and probably the first kitchenwares I bought after leaving home. My roommate first term brought an electric kettle and two bowl-sized mugs suitable for doing instant noodles, so I went out and bought us two mugs for tea or hot chocolate or whatever. Funny story, I was actually mortified of having them at one point in time because there was this guy in res who was excellent (amazing) at lying, and convinced me beehive mugs were a taboo on campus because of the beehive mug killer. He would kill people and leave beehive mugs at the scene. It was much more convincing the way Max said it, I am just summarizing. The green one is kind of cracked but still works, the beige one might be my favorite mug. I spent many nights drinking many cups of tea out of them as I worked away on my first year math assignments. Oh times passed, times of the past.
The last two are the colourful flowery pair on the left. Those came to me through way of my good friend Kael. He does not care much for his own material possessions and if he is not using a thing and sees someone else would use it he will give it to them. Also he was leaving the province. I like those mugs because they remind me of Kael's awesome outlook on life. I think his is superior to mine in many ways.
Also there is my tiny french press to the side.
I really love mugs a whole lot. I have actually a small list thought up of mugs that I want from my parents' house to be willed to me. I also want to steal a mug from work because it is a really nice mug and also steal a mug from my neighbours because I really liked it. Mugs are goddamned awesome.
ugghhh I said I wouldn't but I have to address two posts:
And James, honestly, the way you're trying to uphold your apparent right to be a total dick to new people isn't exactly defending your case. You're basically saying, "You're right, this is what's going on, and you know what? I don't give a fatty shit, I'm going to keep shitting up the forum just 'cause I feel like bullying new kids."
That is not what I was saying at all. I was saying I do not like it when you get preachy and act superior, and I was not saying newb bashing is good but rather that, when I've been rude to people, it's because they are being awful.
see this is weird cos i think james is one of the most frequently hilarious and brilliant contributors to this forum
actually you only think that because you are slightly crazy yourself
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dude what the fuck is wrong with your brain
huda
gryff
mnementh
duchess tapioca
I mean seriously
Huda never really posted that much, the next two slipped my mind, and I am unacquainted with the last.
But yeah case in point.
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i went through my cupboard so i could pull out my favourite awesome mug that i love so much and post a photo of it here and then i realised my favourite awesome mug that i love so much is a NONEXISTANT OBJECT and all my mugs are boring and part of a set and have flowers on them. that seems strange and uncharacteristic of me. i feel like i would be that kind of person who has one favourite cool mug and i guess i don't. this thread makes me kind of want to go out and buy one.
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This thread makes me want to start drinking coffee because there is something really comforting about a big thick mug that you call your own and it sits there on your desk and calms you down.
But I don't like coffee. I like tea and hot cocoa but I find that I will generally always pick cold drinks over hot ones and so even when I want either one by the time I prepare it I've changed my mind.
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duchess tapioca
I am unacquainted with
And so it's happened. We have regulars who don't even know who duchess was.
A moment's silence, please.
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hey ballard nice avatar.
I find it strangely agreeable.
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Why, thank you Kevin. I thought you might.
Harry:
But yeah case in point.
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Yeah Alex, please explain what you mean by that
I would, but it is honestly not worth the time it would take to debate.
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Why'd you even say it in the first place then? You're gonna throw out a broad, vague insult against the board and refuse to explain yourself? That is not square, homes. If anything this thread has shown that a number of the regulars are imminently reasonable. They deserve not to get slapped up without a good reason.
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I would, but it is honestly not worth the time it would take to debate.
coincidentally, it is also not worth my time to read anything you post if you won't follow through with any sort of explanation or rationale.
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hey kevin barnes i thought you were supposed to be sort of a dick, what's going on
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I don't have to explain himself to nobody, least of all you, woman.
Suffice to say Kevin Barnes stands for justice.
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duchess tapioca
I am unacquainted with
And so it's happened. We have regulars who don't even know who duchess was.
A moment's silence, please.
Sor-ree. :|
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*sigh*
I need coffee.
Yes, hovering around here can be rather like living in a dysunctional house hold. If you remain silent you, you feel neglected and unloved. But you better be careful of drawing attention to yourself, cause Daddy might feel like using his belt on you tonight.
Can't dispute it.
But it's home.
I've lurked thses forums for years, hiding in the shadows. And people here can be mean and scary. But they're still more my kind of people then other free love and tenderness forums you can find out there.
I've tried to visit more user friendly forums, but i just keep coming back here.
I guess I like being spanked...
Also my collection of 40 odd mugs rawk. 40 mugs, 4 wine glasses and no tumblers..... yes i like coffee.
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The topic title just sounded so tedious to me, like we're bringing the music forum here too.
For clarification I actually purposely didn't post it there because we all kind of have really similar tastes so I thought maybe there'd be more variety in this forum. It was a fairly successful thread before in 2006, one of my favorites actually. It's supposed to be silly, I like laughing at myself and I thought other people might like to too.
And also when I first started posting in like 2004 Chuck was at his snarkiest. I think it was tougher then to be a new kid here. Yeah, I miss the olde crewe too but there have been awesome people joining since then. Plus I think some of them are still here and I just don't know it due to name changes. If any of you are S_Lion or Milkman Dan let me know because they were awesome posters. Also AndSheWas.
(And my favorite mug is one from the zoo that is black but when you put something hot in it it turns into animals! Still not as awesome as Mai's)
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Mai's mug reminds me of this little thai restaurant in the Ecole Militaire in Paris. They gave you free sake, and the glasses it came in had a fisheye-distorted bottom, such that when you viewed it through liquid you could see the image at the bottom of the glass, which was a nude asian woman.
Good restaurant.
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Bunny Orgy mug (Hornsea Pottery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsea_Pottery), 1972):
(http://cassland.org/images/BunnyMug.jpg)
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i'm offended by the mugs in this thread.
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Hey Patrick, hey.
Fuck you Patrick
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I want that mug.
Also nothing makes for a more welcoming forum than having a thread, arguing about how we're all a bunch of dicks, floating around the front page
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dude what the fuck is wrong with your brain
huda
gryff
mnementh
duchess tapioca
I mean seriously
Huda never really posted that much, the next two slipped my mind, and I am unacquainted with the last.
But yeah case in point.
Daniel's on meebo occasionally, and he made a cameo at Bostoncon.
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(Gromit mug picture)
His nose turns red when you put hots drinks in there.
We have two of those, fuck yeah.
Also, I am sad that Patrick isnt happy with the forums, he seems like a cool guy normally and whether or not the problems he's talking about are real, maybe all he needs is a hug.
WHO WANTS TO HUG PATRICK?
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I don't!
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Thus Patrick, from on high, surveyed the landscape and in his contemplation spake these words:
Blessed are the threadmakers, for theirs is the Kingdom of Hurr.
Blessed are those who troll, for they shall provoke discussion.
Blessed are the Meeblers, for they shall divide the community.
Blessed are the old timers, for they shall long for days past.
Blessed are the newbies, for they shall miss inside jokes.
Blessed is JJaques, for his is the kingdom of QC for which he cares not.
So it was written, and so it shall be.
This was a really good post.
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WHO WANTS TO HUG PATRICK?
He is skinny and his ribs stab you if you try to hug him.
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Bunny Orgy mug (Hornsea Pottery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsea_Pottery), 1972):
Can you call it a Bunny orgy mug if they aren't actually getting freaky? I've been lusting after the Bunnysutra watch, but they actually get it on
(http://www.wristdreams.com/images/bunnysutra.jpg)
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I wasn't going to jump in here, 'cause I posted a picture of my mug a couple of months ago when I bought it, but it's just too applicable now.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/NvrTooMuchPython/2008091909264762644_lrg.jpg)
It's a bunny orgy mug (they call it the "Nighttime Animates" mug) on which they're actually doing really creepy things!
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I want to order the penguin one so much, but they don't accept Paypal. Damn them.
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This forum is so interesting to watch develop. I mean, I've only been posting here for a few years, but in that time some pretty radical changes have gone down. I used to be really afraid of Khar and Kieffer, actually.
The problems with these forums, from my end anyhow, can be separated amongst the two main groups, the regulars and the newbies.
NEWBIES:
as previously stated, this forum is tight-knit because there's people here who have been conversing over the internet for several years, and so they've grown close enough that they've gone across countries to meet up with other people from these forums. Jumping right in to the thick of things and expecting to be immediately accepted is unreasonable; just like if you were introduced to a group of your friend's friends, and acting as if you've known them for a while. I don't know if too many other people have done it, but when I joined the regulars were the big men on campus, the kids at the cool lunch table. I was actively trying to be like them. This is an example of Trying Too Hard. Don't worry about how clique-y the forums feel, just treat it like meeting a bunch of new people. Be yourself, make some good posts, and at least some people will like you.
REGULARS:
that said, it really does feel pretty exclusive around here. Not that that's a bad thing! I'm just saying, I've been posting here for almost three years and I feel like I'm just flying under the radar. Certainly there are those who are pretty receptive to new posters, but there are still some who make this place pretty goddamn intimidating to post in just for fear of getting chewed out for having done something wrong. The basic guidelines for posting are pretty flexible; you're not going to get a perfect post every time out of everyone. Even more, new people are going to take some time to get a feel for how things go here. Most new people haven't read the rules and are trying to be That Guy, but if you give them time some of them might turn out pretty good. Take n0t_robert_b0yle Tom. Back when he had that username, for the longest time I thought he was an awful poster and a jackass. But over time he's become one of my favorite people to watch post here.
In general, as said several times before, everybody just needs to take it easy. Even if a good amount of people here are good friends, this is the internet, and a lot of the inhibitions in inter-personal interactions are going to go away. Take everything you read with a grain of salt and let's move on.
(i had to look up how long i've been a member and got curious, god damn were my first like hundred posts awful)
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I was hoping that would happen.
So I got* you a puppy mug
(http://jimjamzoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/creative-mugs-2.jpg)
*note: not actually my mug. had to GIS. my mugs are boring.
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This forum is really not bad for a new guy unless you are making a total ass of yourself. All you need is time. You will get noticed if you post consistently and aren't stupid. And even then you'll get shit every once in awhile, but everybody does and you should get thicker skin about it. This is the internet. Chances are the guy who broadsides you one day is going to up and forget about it the next. Don't take shit personally. I'm on amiable terms now with several people who I clashed with in my early days on the forum.
Indeed. Take this advice. It is true.
You all know how I know.
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I wasn't going to jump in here, 'cause I posted a picture of my mug a couple of months ago when I bought it, but it's just too applicable now.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/NvrTooMuchPython/2008091909264762644_lrg.jpg)
It's a bunny orgy mug (they call it the "Nighttime Animates" mug) on which they're actually doing really creepy things!
That may be the best coffee mug I've ever seen.
Also, if you feel you have been cheated or wronged in any way, here's something you can do; you've got to say, "I'm a HUMAN BEING, Goddamnit! My life has VALUE!" Then I want you to get up. I want all of you to get up out of your chair. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!"
You'll feel just fine
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Why don't you go pound your nuts flat?
S
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Conclusion: Don't be a dick.
Can we move on now?
(http://cornerstork.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/marijuana-leaf.jpg)
(http://www.germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50351255/Electric_Kettle.jpg)
(http://www.barack-obama.tv/wp-content/themes/Andreas04/images/barack_obama%20dem%20convention.jpg)
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Pollution...Has...VITAMINS!!
S
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What the fuck are you talking about.
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You know what, I don't even care. This thread is done.