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Title: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 05 Feb 2009, 15:24
Fairly cool Viral Marketing campaign.

over here (http://residentevil.com/5/kijuju/index.php?l=en&fbid=Q2gVcl76Lof#/)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 05 Feb 2009, 17:22
I must say that I sincerely loathed the control scheme to the point this game could be unplayable for me. I'll be fiddling around with the demo more to see if I can get used to it, but it seemed like a terribly failed attempt of mixing Gears of War with Resident Evil 4.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: dennis on 05 Feb 2009, 17:44
I got tired of waiting for their bullshit flash site to load, so I bailed.

Could you describe this campaign?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: ackblom12 on 05 Feb 2009, 18:33
Jon, have you tried changing the control Scheme to 1 yet? Doing that and upping the aim speed did wonders for me.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Nodaisho on 05 Feb 2009, 18:48
I got tired of waiting for their bullshit flash site to load, so I bailed.

Could you describe this campaign?
Ditto, got bored after about 5 or 10 minutes of the bit where it barely let me move the candle at all, and had the brig orange loading scratches.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Jackie Blue on 05 Feb 2009, 19:30
I must say that I sincerely loathed the control scheme to the point this game could be unplayable for me.

It does seem unneccessarily clunky, but I was playing it on a 360, and since I plan on getting it for PS3 I think that controller will work better with it.

Still, I was pretty unimpressed at how much it felt like a pretty point-by-point retread of RE4.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 06 Feb 2009, 07:35
At least you can view the video here - http://www.gamekyo.com/videoen14303_resident-evil-5-new-viral-video.html

That's part of it.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: dennis on 10 Feb 2009, 17:46
I fucking hate flash based pages. Everyone does. Why do people think that it's a good idea to make us wait before we get to cool things?
Flash microsites are easy for developers to make. They impress the people who make the decisions, and they make designers and creatives happy because they can pick their own fonts and effects. They never see the long loading times and poor performance because when they see the site, it's presented on a local copy on an ideal machine.

The sites can be made accessible and fast by using flash modularly, but that kind of sentiment never makes it past account managers.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 11 Feb 2009, 08:28
Yeah, that is a drawback, because they can look and function damned cool, but they suck for loading most of the time.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 12 Feb 2009, 14:35
I didn't have any problems with that page loading.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 18 Feb 2009, 07:45
Don't know if anyone cares, but I made a couple RE5 music vids.  I'm not very good, but I hope to get better at editing.

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quY2-RwJD0E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtrZPZD0lCw
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: dennis on 14 Mar 2009, 14:45
My co-op buddy just delivered RE5 to my door.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Avec on 14 Mar 2009, 14:56
Since I'm grounded today and my brother's awesome, he's decided to get the game for me.


 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 14 Mar 2009, 14:59
Fairly fun, but only in split-screen co-op. The way they set up the screen is a little jarring at first, but I've found with traditional split-screens that I usually have a hard time keeping my eyes on my side of the screen. The slightly off-kilter setup is much easier to focus on. But I imagine on a smaller, non-HD screen it could get a little silly. Aiming is sometimes difficult because you can't see the red laser dot.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: dennis on 15 Mar 2009, 16:45
I was going to play some full screen coop over Live, but coop buddy's internet is down.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: AngelofShadows on 15 Mar 2009, 17:03
Anyone else notice that the game seems...well, kinda easy on Medium difficulty? i'm on the second chapter, and I've only died twice, and one was bullshit (Shiva stood next to a red barrel, and a bunch of enemies. I had no choice in the matter, the fire effects are pretty.) And a truck killed me cause my gun needed to be re-loaded.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Ikrik on 15 Mar 2009, 18:08
The more and more I see gameplay and hear people talk about this game....the less and less I want to buy or even play it.  What I was hoping to play was a horror game that has a lot of action in it and it seems like they have the opposite thing in mind.  I don't play a lot of co-op, don't have the urge to and yet it seems like multiplayer is the best dish on selection here.  That throws me off the game entirely.  Everywhere I've read they say "do not play single player." I'll be spending my money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: ackblom12 on 15 Mar 2009, 18:31
Anyone else notice that the game seems...well, kinda easy on Medium difficulty? i'm on the second chapter, and I've only died twice, and one was bullshit (Shiva stood next to a red barrel, and a bunch of enemies. I had no choice in the matter, the fire effects are pretty.) And a truck killed me cause my gun needed to be re-loaded.

To be honest, difficulty has never been one of RE's prioroties. Luckily it does sound like I'm gonna be having a co-op buddy for the entirety of this game so it should still be a good amount of fun.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 15 Mar 2009, 18:32
Difficulty hasn't been a priority since 4. In the prior games you had to watch your ammo because when you got to the end boss it turned out that you really need a lot of it.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: 0bsessions on 15 Mar 2009, 19:00
Honestly, I'd have to say 4 was the hardest one of the series so far. Ammo conservation was never that hard before and it got easier as games went on. Really, Nemesis was the closest to anything really tough before 4. The QTE's in 4, though, made for some frustratingly hard parts. I'm pretty sure I died close to a dozen times alone on the Krauser knife fight. Some of the bosses were rather rough the first time, though, particularly the village chief and the big troll thing.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: ackblom12 on 15 Mar 2009, 23:12
Yeah, 4 was definitely the hardest of the bunch, and outside of one or 2 specific spots it wasn't terribly difficult. Seriously, ammo conservation was never an issue in the RE games if you played smart at all.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 16 Mar 2009, 05:05
I saw the commercial on TV then I came...  How am I going to be able to play this  :?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 16 Mar 2009, 11:41
Earl Ofari Hutchinson wrote a piece in the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/resident-evil-racism_b_175010.html) about racism in RE5, saying the game is racist because the lead role is white, and he is mowing down "disease challenged" Africans.

The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/16/arts/16evil.html?_r=2) disagrees.

Choice quote:

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The point of the story is that the indigenous people have become the innocent victims of evil white people.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 16 Mar 2009, 11:52
I'm writing a couple of papers about video games and one of them is going to be on the portrayal of African in video games so keep this stuff coming, it's good fodder.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 16 Mar 2009, 11:57
I read that times piece and when he talked about how switching out African villagers with Chinese villagers would have made the controversy more real to Capcom developers, I said to myself "I don't think you should be so sure of yourself there."
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 16 Mar 2009, 12:33
I don't know why anybody ever asks that question.There hasn't been a long history of institutional and culturally-propagated racism against Europeans? A cannibalistic white guy in peasant garb carrying a hatchet doesn't carry the same connotations as a cannibalistic black guy in African tribal dress carrying an ornate spear?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Alex C on 16 Mar 2009, 12:46
Seriously, ammo conservation was never an issue in the RE games if you played smart at all.

This. I mean, c'mon guys. I beat RE2 without any problems and all I ever did to conserve ammo was wait 'till the zombies were so close that I could paint the walls with a single shotgun shell and/or skipped easy to avoid zombies entirely.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 16 Mar 2009, 14:46
I read that times piece and when he talked about how switching out African villagers with Chinese villagers would have made the controversy more real to Capcom developers, I said to myself "I don't think you should be so sure of yourself there."

Uhhhhh I'm pretty sure if you pitched that to Capcom they'd eject you from the office? They probably aren't idiots and have at least some awareness of not only their culture's history, but also how negatively that would affect Asian market sales. That was the guy's point.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 16 Mar 2009, 15:11
I don't know. All the things I've read about Japan's history curriculums don't lead me to believe that they would be sensitive to Chinese concerns. What is there to be concerned about, after all?

I could be off-base, but it seems like it wasn't too long ago that their textbooks were on par with America's in the "our past atrocities" category, if it's still not the case.

But the greatest concern would be marketing in China. I don't know how big of a market China is to Capcom, but I imagine if they couldn't see stuff like this coming in the American market (the market they designed the game to cater to, more or less) they wouldn't catch it anywhere else.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 16 Mar 2009, 15:23
It's not a matter of "this is culturally irresponsible" it's honestly just a matter of "we couldn't market this." They probably couldn't market to the rest of Asia either since the continent probably hasn't entirely forgiven them for centuries of war crimes - and at least some portion of the American population probably wouldn't feel comfortable with it either.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 16 Mar 2009, 15:25
A cannibalistic white guy in peasant garb carrying a hatchet doesn't carry the same connotations as a cannibalistic black guy in African tribal dress carrying an ornate spear?
And this game portrays cannibalistic black guys in t-shirts carrying hatchets, so where does that fit in?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 16 Mar 2009, 15:53
As unexceptional, ambient racism? The sort that's only debatably there (although they could've acquitted themselves by not having all the zombified characters angrily shouting in a dialect not comprehensible to 99.9% of players)? It's only the villager stuff that really strikes me as exceptionally tasteless so far.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: ackblom12 on 16 Mar 2009, 18:18
I don't actually think I've seen anything that I would actually consider tasteless when taken into context of the setting in the game. Maybe with the exception of the practically hilarious alternate costume for Sheva.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 16 Mar 2009, 18:37
It's only the villager stuff that really strikes me as exceptionally tasteless so far.

But given the setting and given the plotline – which the NYT guy establishes is white exploitation of Africa – what are they supposed to do? What about reports that there are also neutral and friendly native Africans in the game? Does this not affect the perceived racism at all?

Besides, and this is really important, you're not playing a video game adaptation of Zulu II. They're fucking zombies. He's not fighting them because they're black. From what I've seen it's really clear that he's fighting them because they're zombies.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Cire27 on 16 Mar 2009, 20:20
People are being so overly-sensitive to this.  There was arguing about racism in RE5 before it even came out, and I don't understand it.  There are zombies trying to eat me, I will shoot them.  The fact that they are Black is only a factor because we are in damn Africa.  In 4 they were Spanish.  In Raccoon City, there were mostly white, as far as I can remember.  White and American, I still had no problem shooting them.  Because they were zombies.

If the main character wasn't Chris Redfield, and was some random black guy, would this even be a problem?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Mar 2009, 00:41
The debate about racism is a prudent one and honestly the only real reasonable answer to this is it's complicated.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: dennis on 17 Mar 2009, 02:01
Earl Ofari Hutchinson wrote a piece in the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/resident-evil-racism_b_175010.html) about racism in RE5, saying the game is racist because the lead role is white, and he is mowing down "disease challenged" Africans.
The Huffington Post is trash.

I had my suspicions back in early 2008 when all we had was the trailer, but as I've learned more about the game and now have actually played it, I see that the alleged racism is simply not there, and any perception is due only to the setting. The concept is really no different than that in RE4 with Las Plagas in Spain. The worst you could say about it is that the African hero-character Sheva is rather light-skinned.

As to the setting itself being racist, note that it is plot-critical that it be set in Africa, since Africa is where humanity began. They very well couldn't set it in China or anywhere else.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: lolwut on 17 Mar 2009, 03:44
note that it is plot-critical that it be set in Africa, since Africa is where humanity began.

allegedly

it's entirely possible that humanity started out in a different location but those that migrated to africa were the only ones that survived for some reason

anyway: will play through to find out what happens, but not really enjoying it as much as i thought i would. the whole time i'm playing i just keep thinking you could be playing Saints Row 2 goddamnit get it out of the case
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 17 Mar 2009, 08:02
The debate about racism is a prudent one and honestly the only real reasonable answer to this is it's complicated.

No, it's really not.

There's 14 RE games where you kill American/European zombies.

There's 1 with African zombies.

It's really not complicated at all.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 17 Mar 2009, 08:36
I have personally not found it to be a game that contains racism.

People are dying, as they always are in Resident Evil games...  this time there just happen to be locals from Africa, and lo and behold, the design team did their research, and many of the people that live in Africa are people of color.

Shocking...

 :roll:
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 17 Mar 2009, 10:23
Actually, I mean.

Why the fuck isn't there an RE set in Asia?

Maybe they are racist. I've been sitting here killing white people for like, 13 years now, you assholes.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 17 Mar 2009, 15:16
Because they simply make more comical than scary enemies.  I mean, maybe it could've just been the lame game design, but Crisis was a total joke.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Mar 2009, 16:33
There's 1 with African zombies.

Okay but the way that one game treats Africa is important? Come on dude, there's a reason for this debate. Historically, Africa has been treated as a dark continent full of savagery and its inhabitants have frequently been portrayed either as dumb and easily cowed or dumb and inhumanly vicious. Either the noble savage or the wild animal. It's disingenuous to suggest that this can just be ignored. Narrative representations of Africa in the 21st century have to take this historical portrayal of the region and its people into account.

This is really a basic post-colonial conceit.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: dennis on 17 Mar 2009, 17:39
Because they simply make more comical than scary enemies.  I mean, maybe it could've just been the lame game design, but Crisis was a total joke.
Are you trying to troll this up or what?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: dennis on 17 Mar 2009, 17:57
note that it is plot-critical that it be set in Africa, since Africa is where humanity began.

allegedly

it's entirely possible that humanity started out in a different location but those that migrated to africa were the only ones that survived for some reason
No, not allegedly. There are competing theories that homo sapiens sapiens, our particular subspecies, arose outside of Africa, but all the theories agree that homo sapiens (humans) evolved in Africa and from there migrated to the rest of the world. The DNA and fossil evidence for this is incontrovertible. Even among the competing theories of H. sapiens sapiens, the one for African origin has the most support and evidence behind it.

Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Nodaisho on 17 Mar 2009, 18:08
There's 1 with African zombies.

Okay but the way that one game treats Africa is important? Come on dude, there's a reason for this debate. Historically, Africa has been treated as a dark continent full of savagery and its inhabitants have frequently been portrayed either as dumb and easily cowed or dumb and inhumanly vicious. Either the noble savage or the wild animal. It's disingenuous to suggest that this can just be ignored. Narrative representations of Africa in the 21st century have to take this historical portrayal of the region and its people into account.

This is really a basic post-colonial conceit.
And in this game, it treats it as a continent country region full of FUCKING ZOMBIES! Of course they are vicious, see point ZOMBIES! Before the first battle, sure you see some people beating a moving sack with sticks, but they do mention that the region is in turmoil, the only difference between that and how things happen over here is that over here, people usually find someplace they won't be seen before beating someone to death with sticks. And over here, they use bats because it is easier to find those than tree limbs or a well-shaped piece of firewood in cities.

Are you saying it would be less offensive if the game was set in Harlem, for example, rather than africa? Just the first place I can think of that is commonly thought of has having an almost completely black population. Is it somehow less offensive to be shooting American blacks, English blacks, rather than African blacks? That is what you are making it sound like with your mention of Africa rather than the skin color.

Yes, there is a reason for this debate. The reason is that some people look for reasons to be offended and then BAWWWW to no end. And the media, always eager for ratings, rather than telling them to shut the fuck up, runs the story, and all of a sudden we have a shitstorm.

A wise man once wrote that there is more than one way to burn a book, and the world is full of people running around with lit matches. I guess you can debate this all you want, if I were to try to stop you, I would be a hypocrite. People can debate whatever pointless or stupid thing they want, my worry here is that the ever-present moral guardians would attempt to ban this game. Hasn't happened, as far as I can tell, but it could have, and it still might.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 17 Mar 2009, 18:43
Okay but the way that one game treats Africa is important? Come on dude, there's a reason for this debate. Historically, Africa has been treated as a dark continent full of savagery and its inhabitants have frequently been portrayed either as dumb and easily cowed or dumb and inhumanly vicious. Either the noble savage or the wild animal. It's disingenuous to suggest that this can just be ignored. Narrative representations of Africa in the 21st century have to take this historical portrayal of the region and its people into account.

This is really a basic post-colonial conceit.

And RE4's treatment of Spain as a bunch of backwoods, savagely angry farmers who live in hovels went completely unnoticed.

And RE0-3's treatment of America as corrupt and violent, a nation of people who would create monsters in the pursuit of war is just par for the course.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Mar 2009, 18:45
Nobody wants a ban on the game. However, anyone interested in fiction that takes place in a realistic Africa should be at least cognizant of the narrative problems presented by the setting. I can't really speak to it more without the game but come on dude - I don't think it's racist, but I do think the debate is important for the reasons outlined above, reasons which are a large part of contemporary fictional treatment of Africa.

Read this (http://www.cis.vt.edu/modernworld/d/Achebe.html) and then come back to this thread!

buncha suckas who aint heard of postcolonialism itt
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Mar 2009, 18:48
Was rural Spain colonized, enslaved and brutalized? Was the contemporary American military-industrial complex a victim of institutionalized, nationally-sanctioned racism? Jesus.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 17 Mar 2009, 19:03
Dude, so, wait.

I mean, is Africa just completely off limits then because shit happened? It's never allowed to be a setting unless it's making some deep statement about how wrong shit was?

It's only okay if it's not Africa is what you're telling me here.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Nodaisho on 17 Mar 2009, 19:14
...Johnny, are you trying to be the Devil's advocate here? Just wanting to know.

I don't really see how what you are talking about applies at all. It seems like your arguments are trying to draw people into debates that are related, if at all, by only the most tenuous of connections, debates that you can win, rather than ones that you can't.

This game isn't metal gear solid, we don't get a bunch of story and talking about anything more than what is trying to kill them next. We get a bit of the stereotype of hot worn-down Africa, with people dressed in a mix of traditional dresses and T-shirts and cargo shorts, but I think that part is accurate, at least for a certain part of Africa.

Seems to me like the issue at hand is that when we think of africa, we think of war-torn hellholes like Sudan and Darfur, child soldiers and poverty. When we think of the US, we think of an extremely violent dangerous city, or a bunch of backwoods rednecks named Bubba with their shotguns named betty. When we think of Russia, we think of a place permanently frozen and snowy, with grumpy and cold people and a thriving organized crime business. When we think of Scotland, we think of a bunch of loud drunk violent redheads in skirts. Everywhere has a stereotype, just not many stereotypes occupy such a large area.

Also seconding Ozy's question, which I think I asked, and I just now noticed you avoided answering. Care to answer it this time?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Mar 2009, 19:17
That's not what I'm saying, I'm not saying "Don't ever go to Africa." I'm saying that like any setting it has to be treated with concern but, like every other narrative form, games particularly have to confront the harmful colonially-minded depictions of Africa in the past and move past them lest they be considered irresponsible at least and racist at worst.

Let me break it down.


You can set games in Africa and they can be racist, or they can be not racist.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Mar 2009, 19:18
how does it have a "tenuous connection" you are an american in africa shooting africans

americans used to keep africans as slaves

martin luther king and malcom x, less than fifty years ago, were trying to achieve equal rights for blacks, who could not sit at the front of the bus or go to the same school or drink from the same fountain as white people because they weren't considered to be equal as people

america just elected its first black president who was accused, among various other things, of being secretly muslim, not an american citizen and also possibly the antichrist

race is still a concern! race is a concern
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Nodaisho on 17 Mar 2009, 19:49
And I believe race will be a concern until nobody can even conceive of it being a concern (like... actually, redheads still have trouble in the UK, don't they?), but that isn't the point.

So what, you are playing an American in Africa, shooting Africans? They would kill you if you didn't shoot them. You also shoot white people, one of the first minibosses is a white person, and I would say more, but since you haven't played or seen it, I don't want to spoil it unless you are okay with it. If there was a Postal-ish game with an American lead set in Africa, I could see your point, but not a game like this. I think you might have a bit better position if you argued based off of the main villains probably still being an American pharmaceutical company, so the Africans aren't important. But that isn't so much racism as it is the villains having been established back when the games were set in Colorado.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 17 Mar 2009, 20:08
martin luther king and malcom x, less than fifty years ago, were trying to achieve equal rights for blacks, who could not sit at the front of the bus or go to the same school or drink from the same fountain as white people because they weren't considered to be equal as people

And now they can be turned into zombies and shot like everyone else.

Equaaaaality!
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 17 Mar 2009, 20:37
I don't think the game is racist. Haven't I been clear on that?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Chesire Cat on 17 Mar 2009, 20:42
Im actually having a hard time following you John, are you just debating the right for the debate to exist while taking the side of RE5 not being racist?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Alex C on 17 Mar 2009, 22:12
I think he is and I agree with him if that is in fact his stance. I don't think people should shit all over RE5 until they've looked into the matter themselves with a clear head. Personally, I do not think the game is racist from what I have seen. I also see why someone might look at some screenshots and ask "Wait, what's going on here?" and I think it's a legitimate question for people to ask. Racism is real, it has harmed millions and sometimes that tension is used as a cheap stunt to play to an audience. If a performance artist decided to don blackface but used it to make a powerful, genuine artistic statement, that treated the subject respectfully I wouldn't have a problem with it. But if I only heard about the act, I sure as hell would have some questions on my mind until I saw it for myself; for all I know, the guy could just be a douchebag and a real hack. I also think even the artist would acknowledge going in that he'd be stepping on some toes and hurting some feelings when using such imagery. He'd be a fool not to realize such.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Avec on 17 Mar 2009, 22:45
I feel obligated to tell everyone to stop talking out of their ass. Isn't the whole idea to talk about the game, not the controversy of morals?


Frankly, I enjoyed this game. At certain points, it might've felt a little on the short side, but this game is designed to be replayed and always done so with friends. It's one of those titles that I'll play for a week straight, forget about for another week, and start to play again the following week. There is a definite appeal and when talking about the genre of horror. Things could go two ways; the character is using stealth and one's enviroment as a weapon or you're given huge guns and friends to play with. I'd rent this game and then decided if you're willing to give up the sixty dollars to own it.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Inlander on 17 Mar 2009, 23:46
Personally I can't help but feel that video game morality is an infinitely more interesting topic of conversation than video game gameplay.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Coward on 18 Mar 2009, 01:24
Personally I can't help but feel that video game morality is an infinitely more interesting topic of conversation than video game gameplay.

Then you'll love the planned 'Resident Evil 6: Mission to Auschwitz'. Chris Redfield, now working for a militant wing of the the KKK, puts reanimated Jewish prisoners out of their misery whilst in a search for a 'Final Solution' to the Umbrella problem.

It's possible this one won't get past the censors though.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 18 Mar 2009, 02:06
Stop leaving this forum, mate.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Inlander on 18 Mar 2009, 06:40
I've never played a Resident Evil game. Is this whole global zombie pandemic thing really called the "Umbrella problem"?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Coward on 18 Mar 2009, 06:45
Yes.

That or Chris Redfield, along with Chris Brown, isn't a big fan of Rihanna.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Inlander on 18 Mar 2009, 07:22
Is it okay with everyone if I call it the "Brolly puzzler" instead?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: BeoPuppy on 18 Mar 2009, 07:31
Sure. In fact, I think you should suggest this to the creators of the game. I'm sure they'll agree. Or they should, at least.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 18 Mar 2009, 08:41
o.O  What in the unholy blue fuck has happened to the RE5 thread?

Christ on a stick, can't we stay focused for more than a page?  Or are we all just poster children for ADHD?

 :roll:
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Johnny C on 18 Mar 2009, 09:05
We're focused on issues beyond the quality of the game! Sorry for trying to turn a critical eye on something beside the gameplay and the voice acting.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Alex C on 18 Mar 2009, 09:47
The only thing that hits me as offtopic about all of this is the bitching about it being offtopic. Resident Evil 5's primary cultural impact may be contingent on how sensitive the developers are to the issue of race relations. That's not offtopic at all.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Melodic on 18 Mar 2009, 09:50
Guys, it is impossible to be racist to zombies.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Alex C on 18 Mar 2009, 12:38
Christ, didn't you guys read the Huffington post article? The term is disease challenged.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Dimmukane on 18 Mar 2009, 13:49
Guys, it is impossible to be racist to zombies.

You obviously haven't seen Last Rites of the Dead.  People were DICKS to zombies in that movie.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Melodic on 18 Mar 2009, 14:13
I am raceful to them.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Nodaisho on 18 Mar 2009, 21:04
It isn't racist, it is vitalist. Of course, since these aren't the walking dead, rather the walking holy-fuck-what-happened-to-his-mouth, it might not apply.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 23 Mar 2009, 08:11
Beat the game last night. It was pretty fun up until the last few chapters, when (minor spoiler) zombies start toting automatic weapons. This wasn't a gamebreaker along the lines of Manhunt but a lot of the fun of REs 4 and 5 has been holding off hordes of zombies in melee. Turning the game into a more precise Gears of War wasn't terribly interesting. Also uninteresting - the environment art towards the end of the game, as the more distinct African settings gave way to generic steel facilities and labs. And the last level was so ridiculous and inexplicable it might as well have been taken from Soul Caliber.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Darke on 23 Mar 2009, 08:56
Not only was it ridiculous, but I don't think they could've made the final boss battle any more tedious.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 23 Mar 2009, 09:22
Well all the boss battles (save for the one or two matrix-y ones) follow the same "shoot the brightly colored weak spot" template as 99% of shooter boss battles anyway.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: AngelofShadows on 23 Mar 2009, 10:21
If Capcom put other ethnic groups to keep the game from seeming racist, then they did a piss poor job. You only get multi colored enemies really in the first two chapters.

Also, since when is it fucking cool to sic a pack of lickers on you? If I recall from RE2, two of those things are a handfull with a shotgun. a bakers fucking dozen is un acceptable first time around.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 23 Mar 2009, 12:07
I think it's less the perception that AIDS victims act like animals and more the perception that tribal Africans act like animals. You can read literature at least up until the end of Idi Amin's reign that bemoan the nature of the African.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: dennis on 26 Mar 2009, 05:15
Mercenaries mode is great, but it's far too difficult on co-op. My partner and I couldn't get through the first stage.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: glyphic on 26 Mar 2009, 09:52
I beat it three days after buying it and now I can't remember the ending. It seemed like it was much shorter than RE4, but maybe I'm just weird. Playing co-op is fun.

I have played RE4 through like 300 times and I love it every time. This one wasn't as fun for some reason. I can't put my finger on it, though.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Storm Rider on 26 Mar 2009, 17:26
I haven't finished the game yet, but in my opinion the part where it becomes a more traditional shooter worked better than I expected, in large part because the enemies in RE5 don't take way too many bullets to kill like they do in Gears. Those sections where you have to take cover move much faster than the average fight in Gears does.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 27 Mar 2009, 14:51
Finally going to get to play co-op with my friend this weekend.  I think it's pretty damned cool myself.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: ackblom12 on 27 Mar 2009, 16:50
I'm enjoying the hell out of this game thus far, and the only part I've had where the AI was an actual problem and not helping at all, was when you fight the Chainsaw Maniac. Otherwise she's been rather useful.

Just make sure she doesn't get her hands on a weapon that uses similar ammo to yours.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 27 Mar 2009, 17:03
What you do when you're wary of giving your AI guns, what Yahtzee failed to realize you could do in his review when he complained about pistol use, is hold down B and set the AI behavior. With "cover" the AI sticks close to you and only uses its pistol. With "attack" it advances and uses the best weapon it has. If you're worried about ammo, try using the AI as a mule for the different weapons and give him all the pistol ammo. You might end up in a bind, but he won't waste what you give him (other than pistol rounds, obviously)
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Darke on 28 Mar 2009, 08:47
Why would you give away all your pistol ammo? I killed 90% of everything I encountered in this game with my pistol. By the last chapter it was so powerful I could kill enemies with two shots from a very, very long way away.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Avec on 28 Mar 2009, 10:59
Why would you give away all your pistol ammo? I killed 90% of everything I encountered in this game with my pistol. By the last chapter it was so powerful I could kill enemies with two shots from a very, very long way away.

What difficulty are you playing...?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Storm Rider on 28 Mar 2009, 14:46
I just finished it last night. It wasn't perfect, but my friend and I had a lot of fun playing it. I don't know if it was just me, but I felt like the QTE sections were much less forgiving than those in RE4, although they were much less frequent. There were several bosses in the game where the QTE section before the actual fight killed us more times than the boss itself.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Darke on 28 Mar 2009, 17:04
Why would you give away all your pistol ammo? I killed 90% of everything I encountered in this game with my pistol. By the last chapter it was so powerful I could kill enemies with two shots from a very, very long way away.

What difficulty are you playing...?
That was on Normal (or whatever they decided to call it), but I started a Game+ on the hard difficulty and it was pretty much the same story. A few well-placed shots and they drop like flies. Bear in mind this isn't the original pistol I'm talking about. H&K somethingorother, fully upgraded. Even before I had totally upgraded it, though, it was without question the most useful gun in the game, with the shotgun following a little bit behind.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 28 Mar 2009, 17:30
Yeah, it's a similar mechanic to the one that Capcom has used in a lot of its more recent games. Once you beat the game once, when you start again you retain all the weapons and cash you had at the end of your previous game. It makes the game pretty much a cakewalk from then on.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Avec on 28 Mar 2009, 17:33
I played the harder difficulty from the start, I guess that should've been called normal. Anything below, just wasn't a challenge.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Darke on 28 Mar 2009, 18:08
Yes, the normal difficulty is appallingly easy. I would get an S rank on almost every chapter, only slipping to an A if I'd been careless or was tired. Still, I've never looked to Resident Evil for a challenge; that's not what it's about.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Melodic on 28 Mar 2009, 18:16
I've been trying to rent this for weeks. Not worth the $70 I'd spend buying it, but fuck if that same idea hasn't crossed every other person's mind in greater Vancouver.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: dennis on 29 Mar 2009, 19:15
Yeah, Normal isn't very bad if you're conserving your ammo. I would've S'ed everything except I took a lot of extra time hunting for treasure. On the first playthrough, my coop partner and I picked up 58 of the 64 treasures, but only 10 of the 30 BSAA emblems.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Storm Rider on 29 Mar 2009, 21:21
Yeah, the BSAA emblems are a bitch.

I'm finally back at my apartment, and thus I'm on my own Xbox as opposed to on my friends when I played through the first time. I'm down for playing through the game again since I need to re-unlock Mercenaries and because I don't have any of the achievements on my own profile, so if somebody needs a co-op partner hit me up.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 29 Mar 2009, 21:25
Yeah, definitely. Let me know when you'll be on. Weekends work best, I don't know what my schedule will be like during the week.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Avec on 30 Mar 2009, 20:06
If anyone could help me finish part 5-3 and 6-3 that'd be great. I end up lagging out and not getting a chapter complete even after several tries.

Metus Engage if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 05 Apr 2009, 17:08
I'm having fun with the Mercenaries Mode, though my attempts with Sheva garner a 'Maybe you should change careers' comment from the chopper pilot.

For some reason her being left handed really messes with my perception.  I just can't get used to it for some reason...

Come to think of it, have there been any other left handed game protagonists?  I can't remember any.

oh well, practice practice practice
 :-D
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Ozymandias on 06 Apr 2009, 01:16
Link.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 06 Apr 2009, 09:20
lol - for a minute, I thought you were providing a link, but forgot to add the hyperlink - then I realized my mistake.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Melodic on 12 Apr 2009, 14:40
Anybody still playing this? I just rented it and need someone to play with. GT is Melodik.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: KvP on 12 Apr 2009, 14:41
If you can wait a week. I have three class projects due and I have no free time this week.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Storm Rider on 12 Apr 2009, 17:49
Fraser I can maybe play with you soon, but not today, I have homework and shit to do.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Blyss on 22 Apr 2009, 12:18
http://www.wegame.com/watch/Xbox_360_Resident_Evil_5_Mercenary_6/

 :-o

That's just pretty damned impressive to me.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Melodic on 22 Apr 2009, 12:49
How the fuhk do you unlock new characters for Mercenaries?
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Avec on 22 Apr 2009, 12:52
Getting A's and the Super rank on specific maps.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Melodic on 22 Apr 2009, 13:13
Unnggggg Bryan where are youuuuuu I want to be Weskeerrrrrrr.
Title: Re: Resident Evil 5
Post by: Felrender on 22 Apr 2009, 14:47
Unnggggg Bryan where are youuuuuu I want to be Weskeerrrrrrr.

There are two Weskers.  A meh one, and a good one.  The meh one has the standard Wesker loadout, pistol and Magnum.

The good one has a triple-barreled sawn-off, a magnum, and a pistol.