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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Guido Sarducci on 16 Feb 2009, 22:03
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That is quite possibly the most painful expression I have ever seen on a comic character. Actually, both of them look pretty ready to curl up in a ball.
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I know. It's so sad.
I wonder if Faye would still want to be with Sven if he apologized.
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Is it just me or does Sven drop his Mug/glass in the last 5 panels?
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I sort of doubt it. A lot of her issues with men revolve around trust. Her daddy betrayed her in about the biggest way a parent could. She's looking for someone pretty damned secure. Although you never know- they might just both get some growing up done and find a middle ground they can both live with.
I wonder if Sven didn't panic because he was scared of the commitment? It's funny they both actually have different facets of the same problem, neh?
Is it just me or does Sven drop his Mug/glass in the last 5 panels?
well, it was in his right hand and now it isn't. I don't see him dropping it, maybe settting it down in case he gets punched--he was obviously sort of worried about it :laugh:
sissy :evil:
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Man for some of us those expressions are far too accurate for comfort. This strip definitely does not help out people who read the comic and are in a similar situation.
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It's good that he did, Faye would have gone bonkers if the intern had to tell her. I sense about a month's worth of Faye being conflicted now.
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I'm pretty sure you mean his left hand, our right :-P
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dooowp! :laugh:
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I think I almost cried. First time the comic really got to me. Usually it just makes me giggle, but wow.
I heart QC.
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Poor Faye. She just looked...disappointed.
Sven's probably never been less pleased to get out of a relationship so easily.
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I usually don't get bummed out while reading about fictional characters, but oh, poor Faye looks so sad. God, stupid fucking Sven!
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Funniest strip so far.
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this makes me wonder if angus will make another appearance... possible rebound material?
meh. the expression on faye's face in panel 4 is heartwrenching.
i have to say i hope they can work it out.
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Oh man a definite pull at your heart strings for Faye...And actually asking if he missed her? I think she was finally getting used to having a man in her life and yeah its probably another addition where a man has let her down..I sense a lot of depressed drinking after their meet......And if Sven was expecting a beat down from her he should definitely be worried about Dora now.... And I wonder how Marten will think about it all
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Not even the strip where Faye's dad shot himself made me feel quite this down...
Once Dora finds out... well, Jeph may have to think of an entire new genre of ways to depict violence. Whatever the result, I don't see Sven getting much sympathy from anyone of the regular cast. Well, Raven may see this as an opening to make advances, but with Sven being this big a dick, it might turn even her off (pun very much intended, assuming there was one).
I just hope Faye will somehow pull through this.
Jeez. I'm thinking of fictional characters as if they were real...
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I can see either or both of them now realising that they really wanted this to work for real, and going all out to get it back; but whether Jeph will play it that way, who can tell?
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I'm sad for Fayes, but it was too predictable. Sven is not a stable person with relationships and she knew his past. And worst of all, she lost the oportunity to have a wonderful person (Marten). But it was all her choices.
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so, I'm predicting Sven is going to get a visit from the tequila monster in the next couple of strips... :roll:
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Ouch, my heart broke a little. Faye's face in panel 4.....
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Faye CANNOT be in a normal relationship as long as all her issues are unresolved. Well she can try but she will always end up getting hurt (not that I care she deserves all she's getting). She is a complete beginner when it comes to relationships and well the first couple always ends badly, with people usually making the bad choices on purpose. Her trust issues stopped her from staying with marten, a guy who has proven she can depend on him and that he wont leave her that easily. But she can try to share her trust with sven, a guy who she knows has spent a large part of his adult life philandering. That's a pretty common mistake in girls just on the dating scene. Picking guys that you know will hurt you, so that they can be happy everyday he hasn't hurt them yet, and have the illusion of having tamed him.
She knew how Sven is, she knew it was coming, well I dont see a reason to go blaming him, so I expect Faye to throw in a week of hate against the world, because she just cant stop hating herself.
PS: whoever said Faye's dad betrayed he in the hardest way possible: Suicide is not betrayal, do not make an assumption that he was running away from life without knowing the whole story. Suicide is hardly ever an act of cowardice. Cowards are the ones that talk about killing themselves but never get the balls to do it
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PS: whoever said Faye's dad betrayed he in the hardest way possible: Suicide is not betrayal, do not make an assumption that he was running away from life without knowing the whole story. Suicide is hardly ever an act of cowardice. Cowards are the ones that talk about killing themselves but never get the balls to do it
i'm not going to argue, because ever situation is different. but your point is very debateable.
for the most part i agree with you, but like you said we dont know the whole story, so any opinions any of us can make about faye's dad are all based on assumption. meh.
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Man this strip realy hurts,way not cool,if only there was a way for this not to have happened,or at least not as badly.
Damn that sucks,what next does Dora get cancer*Question mark*
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What makes her face in panel 3/4 even more depressing is how happy she looks in panel 1 :|
Poor Faye :cry:
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PS: whoever said Faye's dad betrayed he in the hardest way possible: Suicide is not betrayal, do not make an assumption that he was running away from life without knowing the whole story. Suicide is hardly ever an act of cowardice. Cowards are the ones that talk about killing themselves but never get the balls to do it
Is it really fair to blame Faye for seeing it the way she does, though? What happened to her dad was not exactly a typical suicide case: he shot himself in front of his own kid.
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Am I the only one who didn't feel anything about this strip?
I must be a robot or something.
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I wonder if Faye will not really end up reacting it all.
I mean she got involved with Sven, all the while knowing he would end up doing something like that (but kinda hoping that maybe he wouldnt). So she put up restraints - Its not a relationship, they're just friends who fuck. But despite her intentions she got caught up in it all and got attatched. They were seeing each other on a regular basis and were pretty close.
Then Sven went and confirmed that nagging distrust. He really is just a cad. She should've known better and now shes probly feeling really foolish for thinking it would be any different.
I think maybe she'll just brush it off. Act like it really isnt a big deal, she was expecting it anyway. And shell just carry on like nothing happened. And everyone else will have extreme reactions for her. And Faye will just be rather blase about the whole thing. Even if it all is just a act.
Well thats my two cents anyways.
oh and hi im new.
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YAY DEPRESSING COMIC WEEK #1
Its about damn time.
All we need now is for Dora's kitty do die, Raven gets the AIDS, and Wil ended up crashing his bike on an icy highway. Boom, 3 more days, 3 more strips. MAKE IT HAPPEN JEPH.
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PS: whoever said Faye's dad betrayed he in the hardest way possible: Suicide is not betrayal, do not make an assumption that he was running away from life without knowing the whole story. Suicide is hardly ever an act of cowardice. Cowards are the ones that talk about killing themselves but never get the balls to do it
It takes more balls to push through a tough situation and live life. Can't hack it so you end it? Pussy.
Suicide is the coward's way out. Life sucks. Get a helmet.
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This comic was really just one big OOF.
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I can see either or both of them now realising that they really wanted this to work for real, and going all out to get it back; but whether Jeph will play it that way, who can tell?
oh quit being a hopeless optimist, you! :laugh:
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Actually, there's not really any other way for it to go for either of them without a new character happening to pop up. And it could be hard work for them sorting this out, so still interesting.
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I've been through this as a younger man, so it's personally painful. I'm not a great man, or even a good one. But I am so grateful I'm not 20. I made so many mistakes as a kid. It's sort of humbling to realize what a shithead I was. The only good thing I can find from it is that I have tried hard not to be that heartless or stupid as a man. Sometimes it even works.
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I'm glad he manned up and told her himself. I really liked the way Faye reacted to the news. You could tell she was hurt and disappointed, but she didn't go all bananacrackers and make a big scene of it. I liked that Sven looked dejected when she just walked out. If Faye would have reacted the way Sven expected he could have gotten defensive and then told himself "good riddance" when she finally walked out. This way he doesn't get to rationalize the way things went down. Also, since he wasn't looking when she had that hurt face going, he has to kind of wonder if she didn't react as expected because he just wasn't that important. Which would be a kick in the ego for Sven.
On suicide:
Talking about it and pulling those half-assed attempts when you know someone is going to be there to "save" you is a cry for help, or attention, but in your heart or hearts you don't really want to die, you just want something to change. Really making the decision to die is not an easy thing. Survival is a primal instinct and to kill yourself you have to have gotten to the point where the pain is stronger than the innate desire to live. I don't think that the person who chooses to die is a coward, but I do think they've given up any hope of getting out of the situation they're living.
Yeah, life sucks, but wtf is a helmet going to do when the worst of it isn't coming at you from the outside? I've had PTSD since I was 7 and it more than sucks. I've spent pretty much all my life knowing that I'm going to be depressed, anxious and paranoid for the rest of my life and that occasionally the depression is going to slap me down so hard that I never want to get up again. It gets real effing old. So, no, I don't think badly of people who choose to die. I just think that, if as awful as things have gotten for me, I've never done it, how awful must things be for them that they did.
I think that as a parent you have certain responsibilities and I think one of those is to screw up your kids as little as possible. Some may see killing themselves and thereby removing themselves from their kid's lives is the best thing they can do for them. I don't think that you can always see things clearly in certain situations. You don't think about how suicide will impact your kids. I mean, if a kid will blame themselves for their parents divorcing, they will find a way to blame themselves for their parent killing themselves, they will see it as abandonment, they will be angry and you've now put suicide in their minds. I've seen this happen in my own family.
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Sven is a jackass.
As great as this strip is, I'm more interested in the aftermath.
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PS: whoever said Faye's dad betrayed he in the hardest way possible: Suicide is not betrayal, do not make an assumption that he was running away from life without knowing the whole story. Suicide is hardly ever an act of cowardice. Cowards are the ones that talk about killing themselves but never get the balls to do it
It takes more balls to push through a tough situation and live life. Can't hack it so you end it? Pussy.
Suicide is the coward's way out. Life sucks. Get a helmet.
if suicide is the cowards way out why dont more people kill themselves every day then?
humans are in essence more cowardly and selfish then brave and altruistic.
So by your logic people should be taking the cowards way out of their problems more often then not.
It's against your most basic instincts to do something that you know for sure will end up with you dead.
It takes a serious mindset and a lot of balls do do something which your instincts contradict.
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bananacrackers
im sorry once you use a word like that it is hard to take the rest of the post seriously.
I am personally shocked to see people want them to get back together, they were a terrible couple. I wanted to see a strip where it was post-coitous and Faye yelled Marten's name during and then Sven was all *arms folded* I would have laughed forever.
I think the facial expression in panel 5 is better then 4, as in it expresses the sad more effectively.
Sven's facial expression's of anticipation seem lost and I for one acknowledge that they make Faye's that much better.
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It takes a serious mindset and a lot of balls do do something which your instincts contradict.
Or a feeling that you have no alternative.
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Sven is a jackass.
As great as this strip is, I'm more interested in the aftermath.
I agree. Faye looks so disappointed, too, like she had been genuinely hoping Sven would choose her. I wonder if choosing a guy who screws whatever moves is a sign that she's punishing herself in some way, that she blames herself for her dad suiciding or if it's an outlet for her hate against herself.
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Faye looks so disappointed, too, like she had been genuinely hoping Sven would choose her. I wonder if choosing a guy who screws whatever moves is a sign that she's punishing herself in some way, that she blames herself for her dad suiciding or if it's an outlet for her hate against herself.
If she genuinely hoped that then she was fooling herself. they both said that it wasnt supposed to be monogomous, so really they are both at fault for not saying what they meant, doesnt mean i dont feel bad, but it's both of their faults.
also i believe she mentioned that she was pushing herself into something in a therapy session.
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I like bananacrackers. It's a silly word. To me it fits for those moments someone loses it in an over-the-top way. I think many people expected it from Faye. Even though, with the exception of the Vespa Avenger, there is really no physical violence between the characters in QC. It's mentioned often, especially in relation to Faye, but you don't really see it.
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Angus chuck.
Marten throttle: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=186
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Faye looks so disappointed, too, like she had been genuinely hoping Sven would choose her. I wonder if choosing a guy who screws whatever moves is a sign that she's punishing herself in some way, that she blames herself for her dad suiciding or if it's an outlet for her hate against herself.
If she genuinely hoped that then she was fooling herself. they both said that it wasnt supposed to be monogomous, so really they are both at fault for not saying what they meant, doesnt mean i dont feel bad, but it's both of their faults.
also i believe she mentioned that she was pushing herself into something in a therapy session.
Well, that was always the theme. I mean, about eight strips or so all consisted of 'WE'RE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, OKAY?'
Faye tricked herself into caring about Sven.
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Violence is funny, always has been, always will be. and IMPLIED violence, well that is just gravy.
i remember back in the day when faye karate chopped a government agent, so there is also that, remember when pintsize had a laser, yeah, im not crazy.
so there is violence but it isnt over the top nor does it take away from the comic or characters.
also bananacrackers is a fine word im just saying when you follow it up with a suicide discussion it confuses my brain.
Well, that was always the theme. I mean, about eight strips or so all consisted of 'WE'RE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, OKAY?'
Faye tricked herself into caring about Sven.
I dont see how that obsolves them
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Maybe not tricked herself - or maybe Im just having trouble with the wording. But for all intents and purposes it was supposed to be just a sexual arrangement. But it changed somewhere on some level and maybe they were treating a bit more like a relationship. Or maybe Faye just got a lil bit twisted who knows.
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just goes to show you that if two people keep having sex someone will eventually get hurt.
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Maybe not tricked herself - or maybe Im just having trouble with the wording. But for all intents and purposes it was supposed to be just a sexual arrangement. But it changed somewhere on some level and maybe they were treating a bit more like a relationship. Or maybe Faye just got a lil bit twisted who knows.
Pretty much.
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I'm talking about violence in between the regular QC characters, especially those in relationships. It's occasionally implied that it might happen, but it doesn't. People just seemed to be expecting Faye to jump on Sven and beat tar out of him.
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that would be funny, im sure jeph has tons of sketches of it that he keeps in a vault guarded by gremlins
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Oh my goodness.
Oh.
My.
Goodness.
I am SO glad it's my day off. Because Jeph just basically handed me my "Get pickled for the rest of the day" card!
The name of the scotch, btw, is The Glenlivet. It is a smooth, slightly smoky single-malt scotch.
I have to go now. I've got a LOT of sipping to catch up on!
THANK YOU JEPH!!! YOU ROCK!!!!
S
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i think you are in the wrong topic buddy.
try staying in the general course please
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Great. Now I'm going to have to plan a robbery. :|
I wonder ... are these the gizmo type gremlins that melt in sunlight?
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It's true, the violence between main characters doesn't happen much - and that's to be expected.
It reminds me a lot of my best friend. She's some crazy-high-belted martial artist, and we both know she could thoroughly kick my ass and beat me to a pulp if she so desired. We both joke about it all the time, like how she'll pulverize me if I do something stupid, but does the violence actually happen? No, of course not. I think the same kind of thing applies to the QC characters.
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The name of the scotch, btw, is The Glenlivet. It is a smooth, slightly smoky single-malt scotch.
It's very good with lemonade too, though the man prefers his 12 year old scotch mixed with Mountain Dew.
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The name of the scotch, btw, is The Glenlivet. It is a smooth, slightly smoky single-malt scotch.
It's very good with lemonade too, though the man prefers his 12 year old scotch mixed with Mountain Dew.
Hmmm. I hadn't considered mixing it with anything, actually. Lemonade, you say? Dew?
Must give that some thought.
Preferably over a glass of scotch.
i think you are in the wrong topic buddy.
try staying in the general course please
Ha, ha.
Nope. My hate of Faye, while not legendary, is probably annoyingly well known.
I have published here in the past that I have a bottle of single-malt Scotch especially saved for when this particular incident occurred.
Now I get to drink it.
I'll admit that I may be the only calloused, bitter, evil SOB who actually does NOT feel sorry for Faye, and actually enjoys the Schadenfreude associated with ANY level of her misery.
But this...this...
...just...Thanks, Jeph: You Da Man.
S
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Sven hasn't a good record and I'm not surprised to seem him relapse once a little alcohol was involved, but it should be pointed out that he seems to have managed to be completely faithful to Faye for months. I'm glad she reacted as she did, but I don't consider Sven evil - just weak.
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On Sven;
I am not entirely sure how you can manifest some negative emotions toward an individual that is acting legitamently within the parameters of both his character, and the pretenses set upon his character. As previously mentioned in the strip, he has not been faithful before (as such this action is within the guidelines of his character), and he was not in a closed relationship (Faye only told him it was ok but that she would leave if he slept with anyone, which she did).There was at no point an agreement or solidfiication comicly known of the relationship to the point of exclusivity (or rather, they never came to an agreement of bf/ gf, even in the recent comic (#1335) she registers their relationship with curiosity saying "whatever sven and I are" instead of saying boyfriend or any proprietorship titles of known stages in a relationship (ie. b#$%^, friend, friends with benefit, boyfriend, fiance, wife, cetera)).
However, as well as obeying the guidelines assumed by his character, he has also remained honest to a fault about every stage of their relationship, and everything that happens during their relationship, and put up with the hardships / faults that Faye's moody nature has beset upon him.
On Suicide;
I'm not sure why this topic is in an online forum,
but it being here and me with several cents to spare I might as well share 2;
1. The glorification of both death, and life (as its hard to -logically- think one is important without the other one being too), are only things that people not in fear of the details of either can afford. With 6.4 million people alive today (not including the ones that have lived), and the average person only being able to be impressed upon by a very limited number (under a thousand I would guess, wiki monkeysphere for more details on the # a person can recognize), it is statistically probable that neither your life, nor your death will make any significant impact on... anything other than your own scope of reality/ circle of friends.
Instead of worrying about how to live, or how to die, or whether or not living or dying is the right thing, a person should take the path they think will be best for their emotional state (even if they think no emotional state is better than the one they are in now) in the long run. The only thing to lament is when someone chooses a permanent solution for a temporary problem, but its hard to tell if a problem is permanent or temporary when it is very psychologically compelling.
2. Do the people who think its cowardly also think that its cowardly to kill yourself when you've only got 1 months to live and it will be in great amounts of pain because of a medical condition? Or 3 months? or 6 months? and that 1 or 3 or 6 months would completely bankrupt their family and emotionally destroy the people they love? (Because it is harder on individuals to watch the ones they love suffer knowing they will die, than it is to watch them die quickly).
Oh well, I hope the length of this statement has provided adequate defense against being read.
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Ps. Hi, I'm not new tot he comic, just the forum. With the markets as they are I didn't feel like day trading and got bored, sorry I forgot introductions.
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I've been through this as a younger man, so it's personally painful. I'm not a great man, or even a good one. But I am so grateful I'm not 20. I made so many mistakes as a kid. It's sort of humbling to realize what a shithead I was. The only good thing I can find from it is that I have tried hard not to be that heartless or stupid as a man. Sometimes it even works.
So you're saying that 20 year old guys someday regret their douche-baggery and reform?
I am heartened.
I'm glad Sven decided to man up and tell her, himself. I think he would have greatly preferred she just punch him.
Poor Faye..
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I'm confused at the people who are saying that Sven only acted in character like it is a good thing.
I wasn't aware blatant douchebaggery warranted applause
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i remember back in the day when faye karate chopped a government agent, so there is also that, remember when pintsize had a laser, yeah, im not crazy.
I have to agree with you there. QC is great as a drama, but the unnecessary violence and poop jokes are just as much a part of the comic as the relationship aspects. So as much as I want to see how this situation plays itself out, in some small way I look forward to the end of this story arc so we can take Pintsize back to the robocafe or have another Roomba race.
That said, I don't think that either violence or jokes will come from this bombshell. I think that one of two things will happen:
1) Faye will be destroyed, she'll curl up in a little ball and resemble Hannelore on a bad day for quite some time now. Sven will feel terrible about Faye's condition, but Dora and Marten won't let him within a hundred yards of her or Coffee of Doom (assuming she doesn't quit). Dora and Sven might even have a serious falling out, while Marten will be as supportive as possible.
2) Both Sven and Faye will feel terrible for about a couple week's worth of strips. Wil might re-emerge as a male support for Sven, and even Marten filling in isn't impossible. But I don't think Sven will be alone the whole time, even if it's just Lydia (yes the intern does have a name ~ #1229). Faye will be wrapped in the supportive arms of Dora, Raven, and Penelope, and possibly even call home. But after a period of feeling bad, they'll both grow up a bit. Sven will realize that he really cares about someone for the first time in his life. Faye will learn that sometimes the people you love do hurt you, but that it's no reason to stop loving them. And eventually, after a whole lot of soul-searching and emotional conflictedness, the two of them will get back together on a more permanent basis.
Hopefully both of these scenarios will involve an appearance of Pizza Girl, just to keep us wondering who she really is.
And personally, I think the second option is more likely. Jeph seems to be in the business of having his characters grow up and get more normal (remember Hannelore cleaning the ceiling every weekend?) as time goes on. This is the major hurdle in Faye's life, and I don't think Jeph will let her fail now that we've gotten to it.
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and anyone thinking dora and marten are breaking up because of something as stupid as "girls are insecure" has obviously never been in a relationship before
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Damn that sucks,what next does Dora get cancer*Question mark*
If this Jeph turns the strip into Questionable Winkerbean, I am outta here! :x
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That said, I don't think that either violence or jokes will come from this bombshell. I think that one of two things will happen:
1) Faye will be destroyed, she'll curl up in a little ball and resemble Hannelore on a bad day for quite some time now. Sven will feel terrible about Faye's condition, but Dora and Marten won't let him within a hundred yards of her or Coffee of Doom (assuming she doesn't quit). Dora and Sven might even have a serious falling out, while Marten will be as supportive as possible.
2) Both Sven and Faye will feel terrible for about a couple week's worth of strips. Wil might re-emerge as a male support for Sven, and even Marten filling in isn't impossible. But I don't think Sven will be alone the whole time, even if it's just Lydia (yes the intern does have a name ~ #1229). Faye will be wrapped in the supportive arms of Dora, Raven, and Penelope, and possibly even call home. But after a period of feeling bad, they'll both grow up a bit. Sven will realize that he really cares about someone for the first time in his life. Faye will learn that sometimes the people you love do hurt you, but that it's no reason to stop loving them. And eventually, after a whole lot of soul-searching and emotional conflictedness, the two of them will get back together on a more permanent basis.
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I dont think Faye will end up having a complete meltdown over this. Her charater does seems to be rather prideful and all this has hurt her and her pride, and now she just feels foolish. I mean there really is no reason to have thought things wouldve been any different. Now she feels stupid for thinking that it would. SO shell suck it all up and act as though its no big deal at all while everyone else has drama for her.
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yes well if it didnt matter that much to her she would have punched sven.
i think that is the general opinion at least
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I just wanna give Faye a hug :(
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she is squishy so hugs are always enjoyable lol
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Instead of worrying about how to live, or how to die, or whether or not living or dying is the right thing, a person should take the path they think will be best for their emotional state (even if they think no emotional state is better than the one they are in now) in the long run. The only thing to lament is when someone chooses a permanent solution for a temporary problem, but its hard to tell if a problem is permanent or temporary when it is very psychologically compelling.
One of the better commentaries on suicide I've yet read anywhere from anyone. Stealing it shamelessly verbatim.
So you're saying that 20 year old guys someday regret their douche-baggery and reform?
{bitter}
Yeah. 20 year old girls, on the other hand, get to be 40 and then blame it all on someone other than themselves.
{/bitter}
Roast in your selfmade hell, FAye, you egotistical, self-deceptive, shallow bitch. Sven told you what was up and you didn't listen so you got no one to blame but yourself, and you won't even do that.
Almost drunk. Getting there.
S
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If she genuinely hoped that then she was fooling herself. they both said that it wasnt supposed to be monogomous, so really they are both at fault for not saying what they meant, doesnt mean i dont feel bad, but it's both of their faults.
Yeah, they were kind of foolish for pretending they didn't want a real relationship. Mixed signals like that are always a recipie for hurt feelings. Can't say I completely blame Sven.
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Sven is Swede. Therefore, both Faye and Gina Riversmith are pregnant.
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I found it interesting that the implied first reason he didn't want to tell her, was because then she would leave.
Sadly, he doesn't have enough insight to actually consciously realize this -- debateable if he even does now-- or likely the control to do something about it even if he did. It would be nice if he learns something from this, but, too little too late? Or maybe the emotional BootToTheHead of having to deal with the consequence for once, actually puts him into a better position for a real relationship -- which likely got sidetracked into sex far, far too early, given his particular problem.
They're both addicts -- I fear them both hitting bars to try to fill the gaping emotional hole from this encounter, though for different reasons (booze for her, a hookup for him). I hope not, they both have grown some, but under stress you do tend to relapse into old habits. Even if they don't, though, I don't know if either one is strong enough to get the relationship back.
Waiting and biting my nails to see how they both react. It's a mark of how well-written and complex this is that you can make predictions based on character and past events, but don't really know which way the toast will fall.. butter side up? Down? Or in a twist, a pet dashes in and devours it? We don't know!
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From my perspective, yes, he didn't promise monogamy, but he knew straight up that if he cheated on her, she was gone. She didn't want *emotional* commitment, which is what she's scared of, but made it very clear that she expected sexual monogamy. Probably not very realistic of her, considering it's, well, Sven, but I thought she was pretty clear. By continuing to date her after she said that, I saw it as him agreeing to it, even if he didn't flat out say so, and he's been acting on it pretty consistently up until the Gina fling.
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What a strip to read right before taking a midterm!
I really don't see why everyone continues to crucify Sven. He's improved with time and he did end up telling her even though he seemed afraid to have her leave, or hurt her. He could have kept it to himself. He could have let Lydia do the dirty work for him. He could have even just slept with her and told her right after that he slept with someone else to get one last session in before saying goodbye. But he didn't.
I've known many guys who would never admit to something like that, and I've known those who would string girls along until they found a new one to mess with. He isn't without guilt, and it's not like he was happy to have her leave either. As much of an ass as he was in the past, he is starting to grow up.
People slip up constantly with their addictions. Whether it's alcohol, sex, cigarettes, drugs, whatever. Old habits and temptations come back and sometimes cause problems.
They weren't exclusive, so his sleeping with someone else wasn't cheating in my opinion (note: opinion :P). She wanted him to be sexually exclusive but he never agreed to it. She just told him she would leave if he did sleep with someone else. Regardless, he told her.
Personally I'd like to see how their relationship changes and develops from this point on. I'm curious to see if they'll remain friends, if one of them will try to avoid the other, or if they'll even try to see if they could form something solid with boundaries and conditions they could both agree to.
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This is a bit freaky... Faye seems to show me exactly what I would do more and more each day...
I have to say I was expecting such a reaction, I mean, what is Faye supposed to say or do to that? It is already done, so unless she goes back in time and screams "NO! STOP IT YOU RABBITS!" to Sven and Gina, there is nothing to be done. I know that a lot of people think that she knew what she was getting into with Sven, but I think it is in part miscommunication and also denial. She let him know that if he slept with another girl she would be out of there, but I suspect she was denying the possibility of that to herself so that she could continue to enjoy the situation. Sven, on the other hand, mostly seemed to think of it as a casual relationship and up until now we have never seen that he has ever had any contradicting feelings while having sex. So he clearly cares about her... just not enough.
Personally, I am hoping that Faye gets reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally drunk and we get to see Marten put to the test if she tries to make a move on him. Drama!
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she is squishy so hugs are always enjoyable lol
We also both have big bwebs, so it would be one of those awesome squishy-bewb hugs that end up with someone yelling... "OMG MY NIPPLE"
Fun all round ^_^
... And hopefullt it would make her feel better :3
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I'm new to both the forum and the comic, but I've read every strip. I'm honestly not surprised. This is just par for the course with Sven. He has been trying, and he's gotten better, but you can't expect someone not to slip up. (Just the same way that Faye tried to stop drinking and started up again several strips later. Given, she never wanted to stop drinking in the first place. :wink: ). I do hope she gets moves on somewhat quickly. I expect that she will. She's been becoming more stable for a while now. (But that sad look on her face broke my heart. As bitchy as Faye is, I kind of love her.)
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she is squishy so hugs are always enjoyable lol
We also both have big bwebs, so it would be one of those awesome squishy-bewb hugs that end up with someone yelling... "OMG MY NIPPLE"
Alright, you've got my attention.
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I'm confused at the people who are saying that Sven only acted in character like it is a good thing.
I wasn't aware blatant douchebaggery warranted applause
Granted, Sven's a douche, but at the same time, really he didn't act in character. He regretted it the whole time and was up front with Faye when she first got there. That, and looking at how he wanted to hide it, I'd almost be willing to suggest that Sven actually feels something towards Faye. How much, I can't say though considering he nailed a musician.
However, I think we all have that list of people we'd bang regardless of relationship status we mentally carry around. I mean if Neko Case showed up at my house drunk and started hitting on me, I'm sorry, I'd have to take that opportunity.......*hint hint*
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Hmmm. I hadn't considered mixing it with anything, actually. Lemonade, you say? Dew?
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You don't mix Glenlivet with ANYTHING. If you must mix scotch with lemonade, or coke, or sour, or piss for that matter, use crown royal or some other cheap tasteless shit. Then you'll actually be helping it out :laugh:
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she is squishy so hugs are always enjoyable lol
We also both have big bwebs, so it would be one of those awesome squishy-bewb hugs that end up with someone yelling... "OMG MY NIPPLE"
Alright, you've got my attention.
>.>
<.<
*panics*
~dances~
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bananacrackers
I think the facial expression in panel 5 is better then 4, as in it expresses the sad more effectively.
Sven's facial expression's of anticipation seem lost and I for one acknowledge that they make Faye's that much better.
I agree- in panel 4 she's kind of generically sad looking, but in 5 she just looks so uncomfortable, possibly on the verge of tears. the gesture of zipping her jacket back up was really sad... {:(
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Does anyone follow Sven on twitter? His last tweet (http://twitter.com/svenbianchi/status/1217992470) was practically as heartbreaking as the comic.
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I officially have a crush on Sven now. :-/ Although I'm sad both for him and Faye.
I don't get why people keep saying he's a douchebag or jerk or whatever. It's like he's changed since his introduction, but people's perceptions of him haven't? Come on, keep up already. His slip up with Gina was boneheaded and regrettable but neither douchebaggy or jerky per se. He did not owe Faye anything except what he delivered: honesty, at which point she would leave. The situation is sad because BOTH of them wanted something more than what they were saying or perhaps even what they thought, so Sven screwed Faye over by ending something that meant more to her than she admitted, and screwed himself over for the same reason. But the reason they were in a situation like this in the first place is every bit as much Faye's fault as his.
It sucks for both. Sad faces all around.
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I officially have a crush on Sven now. :-/ Although I'm sad both for him and Faye.
the line for that is about length of Chile N-S
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Faye CANNOT be in a normal relationship as long as all her issues are unresolved. Well she can try but she will always end up getting hurt (not that I care she deserves all she's getting).
I thought I was the only one out there with this sentiment.
I've seen girls pull crap like Faye all the time: lead some nice guy on till he's head over heels, then turn around and tell him he doesn't have a chance. Maybe they blame it on some emotional issue, but when it comes down to it, they've just strung along some poor sod to boost their own ego while probably inflicting a host of psychological problems on someone whose only fault was to care for someone else. It's girls like Faye that are why many men label all women as crazy bitches; essentially, they're holding the whole gender down. I was personally glad to see karma bite her in the ass.
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Hit a bit of a sore point huh?
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dont be mean to Faye, man, she has ISSUES.
lol
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Hit a bit of a sore point huh?
Pretty much. I watched this girl I used to be friends with do it to a whole slew of guys; same story every time. Uncommonly nice to the guy, hanging out constantly, then using him to get what she wanted, complete cock-tease when drunk, then laughed in their faces when they admitted their feelings to her. She claimed she had abandonment issues, but she was just using people. S'okay though. She got fat in the end.
It just pisses me off that girls like that bring down the rest of us who aren't total bitches. Sort of a Penelope rant I suppose.
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Pretty much. I watched this girl I used to be friends with do it to a whole slew of guys; same story every time. Uncommonly nice to the guy, hanging out constantly, then using him to get what she wanted, complete cock-tease when drunk, then laughed in their faces when they admitted their feelings to her. She claimed she had abandonment issues, but she was just using people. S'okay though. She got fat in the end.
It just pisses me off that girls like that bring down the rest of us who aren't total bitches. Sort of a Penelope rant I suppose.
No, the people who bring down the "rest of us who aren't total bitches" are the people who make generalisations based on one person's behaviour. Sure, she used guys, but if those guys are idiots enough to think OMG ALL WOMEN ARE USERS I'M NEVER DATING AGAIN then quite frankly they're too stupid to be dating anything other than a lump of granite anyway.
And how did Faye "lead some nice guy on until he's head over heels"? They were friends that were having casual sex; (possibly) they developed feelings for each other, and then Sven screwed up and they're both dealing with the fallout. Faye is certainly both crazy and a bitch, but Sven is the guy who was incapable of telling women that he wasn't actually interested in them, going so far as to get Marten to help him avoid them. He's hardly "nice", unless you're going by the definition of "nice guy" used at heartless-bitches.com (although he's far too self aware to fall into that category).
I like Sven, but he knew he was going to hurt Faye when he slept with the country singer. Owning up to it at least shows that he's grown up enough to deal with the consequences of his actions.
Um, yeah, your comments made me angry enough that I had to sign up just to rant /o\
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The situation is sad because BOTH of them wanted something more than what they were saying or perhaps even what they thought, so Sven screwed Faye over by ending something that meant more to her than she admitted, and screwed himself over for the same reason. But the reason they were in a situation like this in the first place is every bit as much Faye's fault as his.
It sucks for both. Sad faces all around.
This is exactly it. Is a monogamous sexual relationship with no emotional attachment even possible? It's definitely not somethin you want to try.
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No, the people who bring down the "rest of us who aren't total bitches" are the people who make generalisations based on one person's behaviour. Sure, she used guys, but if those guys are idiots enough to think OMG ALL WOMEN ARE USERS I'M NEVER DATING AGAIN then quite frankly they're too stupid to be dating anything other than a lump of granite anyway.
And how did Faye "lead some nice guy on until he's head over heels"? They were friends that were having casual sex; (possibly) they developed feelings for each other, and then Sven screwed up and they're both dealing with the fallout. Faye is certainly both crazy and a bitch, but Sven is the guy who was incapable of telling women that he wasn't actually interested in them, going so far as to get Marten to help him avoid them. He's hardly "nice", unless you're going by the definition of "nice guy" used at heartless-bitches.com (although he's far too self aware to fall into that category).
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Um, yeah, your comments made me angry enough that I had to sign up just to rant /o\
I'm pretty sure they meant Marten as the nice guy, not Sven.
Also, I think we can at least agree that both types bring down women: guys who generalize about all women based on one bad experience/bad person, and said bad women themselves. I say this with the full awareness and understanding that there are an equal amount of bad guys and this is in no way intended as an attack on women; I think we can accept the premise that there are bad people of both genders out there and neither are doing their gender any favors.
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One day, a frog and a scorpion reached a river. "Carry me across on your back," suggested the scorpion to the frog.
"No, if I do you'll sting me and we'll both drown," says the frog.
"I promise I won't do that," says the scorpion.
"Ok, I'll do it," says the frog.
Halfway across, the scorpion plunges his stinger into the frog's back. "Why did you do it?" groaned the frog.
The scorpion shrugged. "It's in my nature and you knew it," he says as the water closed over him.
Sven is the scorpion; Faye knew this all along and should have realized he wasn't going to change for her. At least she did what she said she'd do if he went out with someone else.
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Sven is changing but very slowly. She would have to be patiente (like Marten was with her) and even so, knowing he could reverse to his former ways. So basically she wants someone with Sven carisma and look with Marten fidelity.
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Sven is changing but very slowly. She would have to be patiente (like Marten was with her) and even so, knowing he could reverse to his former ways. So basically she wants someone with Sven carisma and look with Marten fidelity.
like faye knows what she wants lol.
Faye doesnt know what she wants that's one of the reasons this situation was created .
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One day, a frog and a scorpion reached a river. "Carry me across on your back," suggested the scorpion to the frog.
The scorpion shrugged. "It's in my nature and you knew it," he says as the water closed over him.
Scorpions are assholes.
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One day, a frog and a scorpion reached a river. "Carry me across on your back," suggested the scorpion to the frog.
The scorpion shrugged. "It's in my nature and you knew it," he says as the water closed over him.
Scorpions are assholes.
godDAMMIT now I have to rewrite tomorrow's comic
(faye was going to suck off a scorpion)
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godDAMMIT now I have to rewrite tomorrow's comic
(faye was going to suck off a scorpion)
Just say no to bestiality, Jeph. Resist the temptation.
Also, I don't think Faye led Marten on. She wanted him, but she had her issues so she tried to keep it strictly friends. Marten knew she wanted a platonic relationship and still couldn't help having feelings for her. She stepped aside so that he could get together with Dora despite the fact that she had feelings for him because she knew she wasn't in a place to give him what he needed.
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I don't think Faye led him on maliciously, but she flirted with him a lot even though she had to be aware of both his feelings for her and her state of mind. All those little "oh is your arm around me because you're drunk or what" "hmm Marten I just don't know, aren't girls so mysterious" things 8-)
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You don't mix Glenlivet with ANYTHING. If you must mix scotch with lemonade, or coke, or sour, or piss for that matter, use crown royal or some other cheap tasteless shit. Then you'll actually be helping it out :laugh:
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I'm a whisky drinker an I approve of this message. If it's from Scotland and Single Malt, it's good enough to get a glass to itself.
Anything else is like putting Ketchup (own label at that) on Foie Gras.
I look at the whole Sven thing as such:
Men go out with women hoping they'll never change; women go out with men hoping they will...
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Oh, I know. When I mixed the Glenlivet with lemonade, and the man mixed it with Dew, I said to the man "We're going to hell, you know that don't you?"
But, ooohhhhh, it was gooooooooooood! I think you probably could mix Glenlivet with piss and have it come out tasty as hell.
Also, you put ketchup on anything and I'm likely to find it disgusting.
And I just don't get being with someone because you hope they'll change. What kind of crazy shit is that? I say find someone you like just the way they are and hope they don't change.
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Sven is the scorpion; Faye knew this all along and should have realized he wasn't going to change for her. At least she did what she said she'd do if he went out with someone else.
What's more, Sven never promised not to do anything. She said she'd leave if he had sex with someone else, and his reaction was "So be it.", not "I promise I won't". If she'd been thinking she should have dumped him right then.
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What's more, Sven never promised not to do anything. She said she'd leave if he had sex with someone else, and his reaction was "So be it.", not "I promise I won't". If she'd been thinking she should have dumped him right then.
Or, you know, revised her entitlement regarding the idea that she could expect someone to whom she wasn't willing to make an emotional commitment to commit to her in any way. "I expect you to be my totally casual but also totally committed monogamous f&ckbuddy" just doesn't make any sense.
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You don't mix Glenlivet with ANYTHING. If you must mix scotch with lemonade, or coke, or sour, or piss for that matter, use crown royal or some other cheap tasteless shit. Then you'll actually be helping it out :laugh:
I'm a whisky drinker an I approve of this message. If it's from Scotland and Single Malt, it's good enough to get a glass to itself.
Anything else is like putting Ketchup (own label at that) on Foie Gras.
I look at the whole Sven thing as such:
Men go out with women hoping they'll never change; women go out with men hoping they will...
Americans drown everything in ketchup and I'm quite sure they put ketchup on foie gras :p
I know for a fact that they put ketchup on oysters. Baked Oysters at that, while every culinary lover knows that you're supposed to eat oysters raw, with a nice dressing or some pepper and lemonjuice.
Making wrong combinations is only a proof of ignorance :), so an ingnorant whisky drinker wont care what whisky he mixes with his coke, and ranting about it wont make him see how badly he's butchering the single malts
ps: William Lawsons is a scottish whisky that you could mix with Coke without remorse, as is J&B, and even Johnny Walker Red label. Under NO circumstances do you mix glenn fiddich with anything though
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For the record, I find ketchup frigging disgusting.
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What is in fact a sign of ignorance, is calling someone ignorant simply because they find a different combination of food tasty.
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Yeah, I feel bad for Faye, but this isn't anything she couldn't have forseen five moves ahead. Sven was very clear he hadn't made any commitment to her.
Of course, I have no sympathy for Sven. He knew exactly how much it would hurt Faye when he did it, and refused to exercise impulse control.
I think eventually after a while the friendship between the two will be salvageable, because Faye is the type who lashes out then forgives when she calms down. But for any romance between them in the future it would take complete monogamy and commitment on his part.
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Sven is hardly an asshole, he had a no-strings-attached sexual partner. If Faye got too emotionally involved and got her feelings hurt then its her own fault.
That said, I bet in grief she confides in Marten and then makes a move on him. Marten being the sissy that he is will go along with Faye and that'll cause him and Dora to break up once she finds out. In the end Faye and Marten feel guilty and nobody is happy.
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It wasn't "no strings," though, she specifically said she would only have sex with him if he wasn't having sex with anyone else. He didn't deliberately set out to hurt her with it, and getting drunk does mess with self control a lot, but if they were in an open relationship where he could have sex with whoever he wanted to, he'd have already been doing just that. I don't think he's a jerk or a douchebag for doing it so much as for planning to cover it up. If it was no big deal and no problem, he wouldn't have been having regrets while he was doing it, too.
I don't think it was fair or realistic of her to ask for a monogamous relationship without emotional commitment, but I thought she made it clear that was what she was offering, and he'd been able to handle it until then.
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It wasn't "no strings," though, she specifically said she would only have sex with him if he wasn't having sex with anyone else.
Faye---> wants cake
Faye---> eats cake
Faye---> complains that she can't have both.
She wanted a steady, monogamous relationship, but she didn't want the burden of the emotional effort of maintaining it. She demanded fidelity and security and offered nothing in return.
I know why she demanded everything and delivered nothing, but it doesn't mean she was being irrational and stupid.
I don't think it was fair or realistic of her to ask for a monogamous relationship without emotional commitment, but I thought she made it clear that was what she was offering, and he'd been able to handle it until then.
Yeah, I think we're on the same page, here.
Thing is, I don't think he was handling it. I think he was wanting more, and his admission of infidelity was huge. It was him being open and vulnerable for the first time ever.
At least having a fight would have been dealing with it and being part of a relationship. But Faye just walked out. She's still ... in denial? That doesn't sound right. Pushing people away; refusing to form real relationships.
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AND she picked a serial monagamist for a partner. :laugh:
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I don't think Faye overreacted either though. Sven wouldn't promise monogamy, Faye said she'd leave if he slept with someone else. He did, she left. They did everything but contractually agree on the relationship ending this way :-P
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Way back when, I feel like Sven didn't want this to be a hook up (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1114). He'd been hanging out with Faye for a while; she'd been challenging him about pretty much everything. I think he invested in her even before they hooked up.
In short, I think Sven felt it was a relationship and treated it light-hearted more to play along with Faye.
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AND she picked a serial monagamist for a partner. :laugh:
Are we sure he was a serial monogamist? I don't think that Sven would have been resistant to some secret polyamory at certain points in his life. However, I think he might be changing. People do. It's kind of amazing to watch, in life and in fiction.
I find it endlessly fascinating how this comic can be twisted and interpreted depending on the person looking at it. The differences in opinion range all over. At times it feels like a modern literature class.
Mr. Jaques, you are doing a damn fine job. People don't spend this much time talking and thinking about mediocre stuff or stuff that doesn't touch and affect them.
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AND she picked a serial monagamist for a partner. :laugh:
Are we sure he was a serial monogamist? I don't think that Sven would have been resistant to some secret polyamory at certain points in his life.
you did see the smiley indicating I was joking, right?
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Dangit I loved Penn's verbal bitchslap and the faces that it got as a reaction
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At least Pen was realistic. Sven may be an asshole, but what do you call, a person who want's to have a non emotional monogamous relationship with someone who cannot resist sex with any women?
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Am I the only one who didn't feel anything about this strip?
I must be a robot or something.
Or someone with a life.
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AND she picked a serial monagamist for a partner. :laugh:
Are we sure he was a serial monogamist? I don't think that Sven would have been resistant to some secret polyamory at certain points in his life.
you did see the smiley indicating I was joking, right?
Yes, I did. Sorry, forgot to smile back. It was late :) Also, I was overcome with literary admiration and excessive sushi afterglow.
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Am I the only one who didn't feel anything about this strip?
I must be a robot or something.
Or someone with a life.
being emotionally empathic enough to share emotions with a story character does not make you have no life. Like you never secretly hoped the main character of a book would achieve this or do that. That the main character of a movie would get what he wanted, and felt sad when he didnt?
really you sounded condecending in that post and to a lot of people on this forum. Just because you're an emotional barren wasteland, doesnt mean that people that arent dont have a life. I'd even be implied to say their lives are a lot richer then yours
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I'm just glad that Faye reacted the way she did. If she had been angry at him, or yelled at him, I think I would've officially hated Faye. Getting in a fuckbuddy relationship and expecting the other person to treat it like a real relationship is stupid. But she absolutely allowed to be disappointed in what happened, as long as she doesn't take it out on Sven, which she didn't. Which imples that she's handling this a lot better then I expected her to. I thought for sure this would be a "choose sides" kind of ordeal.
Having said that, ha ha, Pen-Pen.
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Dora has the best death stare of any of the characters.
never have I been so afraid of a 105 pound unarmed mid-twenties girl
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And a fictional one at that!
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never have I been so afraid of a 105 pound unarmed mid-twenties girl
And a fictional one at that!
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(http://www.dementedstuff.com/thering/samara.jpg)
ok, maybe she isn't 20, and maybe she isn't quite 105 pounds, but still a lot scarier then Dora.
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I'm talking about violence in between the regular QC characters, especially those in relationships. It's occasionally implied that it might happen, but it doesn't. People just seemed to be expecting Faye to jump on Sven and beat tar out of him.
She did try to strangle Marten, she's also punched him, Dora and Rave.
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In comic number 1307 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1307) Faye stated "Just because this isn't serious doesn't mean you can go around fucking any skank who catches your fancy. You sleep with someone else and I'm GONE."
Sven is an asshole. Faye is naive.
Sven knew how Faye felt about the arrangement. Even as he was doing it with Gina, he knew he was an ass. In the comic where he tells her, I'm really trying to decide whether him saying "Awesome" after she left depicts him as an ass, or he's just thankful he didn't loose his balls.
Faye knew it would happen. I'm thinking she was really hoping it wouldn't in the back of her mind, and she's probably pretty embarrassed.
In the end, I'm thinking Sven should be pretty worried that Faye didn't go apeshit on him.
YAY DEPRESSING COMIC WEEK #1
Its about damn time.
All we need now is for Dora's kitty do die, Raven gets the AIDS, and Wil ended up crashing his bike on an icy highway. Boom, 3 more days, 3 more strips. MAKE IT HAPPEN JEPH.
I'm thinking Raven probably already has AIDS. She does have a love of homeless men.
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AND she picked a serial monagamist for a partner. :laugh:
Are we sure he was a serial monogamist? I don't think that Sven would have been resistant to some secret polyamory at certain points in his life.
you did see the smiley indicating I was joking, right?
Yes, I did. Sorry, forgot to smile back. It was late :) Also, I was overcome with literary admiration and excessive sushi afterglow.
mmmm sushi afterglow :)
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For everyone's information, the Glenlivet stayed straight up until the very end.
That's Good Stuff.
Now I've gotta find some rum because Faye got another bitch-slap after going to, of all people, Dora.
I promised.
The liver is evil, and must be punished.
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If you make your liver hate you, it will hurt you really bad. Livers are like that. Pate is the only real escape.
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dont piss off your liver, you need it.
thus the name
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I'm really trying to decide whether him saying "Awesome" after she left depicts him as an ass, or he's just thankful he didn't loose his balls.
He was being sarcastic. Her leaving silently made him feel worse than if she had actually lashed out at him.