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Title: Wavves
Post by: Tom on 02 May 2009, 05:08
Does anyone actually like these guys or is just their F&F and blog zombies?

Anyone else think Nathan Williams is a talentless hack rehashing early 90's slacker DIY, lo-fi indie (Pavement, Sebadoh, GBV etc.) riding on the curtails of No Age and all those other trite 'shitgaze' bands?

Does anyone understand the hype these guys get 'cause I don't understand hipsters anymore?

Hey Pitchfork, why give Wavves an 8.1 and a "Daytripping" segment only to give Crocodiles, another band doing the exact same thing (no lie) a 4.1 and getting pissed off at them for trying to be "the next Wavves"?

WHY??? FUCK U SHITGAZE!!!
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: P-Frank on 02 May 2009, 05:22
I like Crocodiles more than Wavves, but I do like the Wavves single. Watching a video of him performing live is fucking awful though. I don't think he is talentless though, he has written some nice songs.

Also Pitchfork loves to be contentious, do not listen to them. Sometimes they find cool bands, that some other blogger probably found first and they just re-posted, but that is good enough for me.

And Shitgaze is the worst name for a genre and I think it is just Vice Magazine having a laugh as usual.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: valley_parade on 02 May 2009, 06:38
Shitgaze is very, very hit or miss with me.

Mostly miss. It is called "shitgaze" for a reason, folks.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Kyros on 02 May 2009, 07:46
I like Wavves well enough, but he certainly has gotten way more attention then some of the other similar artists like Crocodiles.

I don't really understand, cause in my mind Wavves only has 2 songs.  So Bored, and No Hope Kids.  Awesome fucking songs, but that album is definitely not an 8.1.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Will on 02 May 2009, 07:48
I have long been under the impression that Pitchfork writes music reviews for people who hate music.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: michaelicious on 02 May 2009, 08:20
How do you pronounce that shit?
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: michaelicious on 02 May 2009, 08:24
Wait is it this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBHQk6hyIYI) band?
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Tehz on 02 May 2009, 08:42
He has a few good songs but the majority of it just seems to be all hype. He sounds awful live, too.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Retrospectre on 02 May 2009, 08:43
I checked his music out since I like No Age but it didn't do much for me.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: valley_parade on 02 May 2009, 08:51
I mean guys, come on.

Sounding this shitty and intentionally lo-fi is what you do when you're in a black metal band.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Hat on 02 May 2009, 08:57
Shane I am sorry but I listen to prog all your music sounds lo-fi to me
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Hat on 02 May 2009, 08:57
although I read somewhere in the street press that production values are subjective
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Hat on 02 May 2009, 08:59
For reals though if your album cost less than ten thousand dollars to master and you are not the Mountain Goats you probably just sound like dogshit yes this does include you Dan Bejar

AND ALL INDEPENDENT MUSICIANS EVERYWHERE

(I am not completely joking about this)
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: valley_parade on 02 May 2009, 09:10
I really do not like Destroyer. Just shut up and be in the New Pornographers, Dan Bejar.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Hat on 02 May 2009, 09:13
Shane you should consider being an advisor to the stars if that is not what you are already doing
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Joseph on 02 May 2009, 09:14
Shane is why Metallica are how they are.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Hat on 02 May 2009, 09:19
Do you mean he is responsible for all post AJFA albums or just the last two albums?

I cannot tell I deal with many different subtle kinds of people who think Metallica sold out, for example I once met a man who thought Metallica had sold out their thrash roots after Master of Puppets (that is my favourite opinion about Metallica to date)
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: valley_parade on 02 May 2009, 09:22
I still want a refund for buying St. Anger.

A mental refund.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: BlahBlah on 02 May 2009, 09:37
I like Wavves well enough, but he certainly has gotten way more attention then some of the other similar artists like Crocodiles.

I don't really understand, cause in my mind Wavves only has 2 songs.  So Bored, and No Hope Kids.  Awesome fucking songs, but that album is definitely not an 8.1.

Very true. The noisy electronic parts are really pointless and crap.

It's just pronounced as Waves, that's the way he says it in the pitchfork video. He's playing in Glasgow in June, I'm not sure if I should go or not. Everyone says he's awful live.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Wasteroo on 02 May 2009, 09:56
I can listen to it, but it's not like my favorite or anything.

However, I do really like the track Side Yr On from Wavves (or Wavvves?)
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 May 2009, 10:31
"So Bored" is really catchy.  It reminds me of old Guided By Voices.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: scarred on 02 May 2009, 13:22
For every good Wavves song, there's about 5 shitty ones.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Wasteroo on 02 May 2009, 13:42
You know, upon listening to Wavvves, I think you fellows might like his debut LP more. It concentrates more on the shimmering 60s revival that he's actually pretty good at, rather than his strange and kinda unpleasant genre experimentations.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: nice! on 02 May 2009, 17:30
I don't understand all the wavves hate these days.
plus, whats wrong with shitgaze?  :cry:
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Joseph on 02 May 2009, 17:40
Top five worst genre names ever?
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Will on 02 May 2009, 17:44
Top five worst genre names ever?

I vote twee as one of the worst.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Tom on 02 May 2009, 17:46
Somebody made a parody band. (http://www.myspace.com/juavves) :laugh:
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: scarred on 02 May 2009, 19:34
^- That is freaking amazing.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Tehz on 02 May 2009, 20:27
That is beyond awesome. I found "Muy Abburido" to be quite enjoyable.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: iamiam on 03 May 2009, 00:13
Weird.  I was never into Wavves until I saw this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEV3P23LTYs&feature=channel_page).  Something about it really made me want to check them out, and now I dig it.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: jeph on 03 May 2009, 00:28
I gave up on Pitchfork as a source for useful music opinions when they gave Ponytail and Ariel Pink good reviews, that shit is utterly awful
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: David_Dovey on 03 May 2009, 00:49
Wait Jeph isn't that very recently
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Johnny C on 03 May 2009, 03:06
Shane I am sorry but I listen to prog

don't apologize to shane man apologize to yourself
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: valley_parade on 03 May 2009, 08:17
Somebody made a parody band. (http://www.myspace.com/juavves) :laugh:

Oh god that is fantastic.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: jeph on 03 May 2009, 14:11
Wait Jeph isn't that very recently

yes

I tried to keep an open mind for a very long time
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Wasteroo on 03 May 2009, 17:16
It's like I'm the only person on this entire forum (perhaps on the entire internet) who doesn't seem to hate Pitchfork with seething, jaw-clenchingly intense rage.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: michaelicious on 03 May 2009, 17:24
I think Pitchfork is pretty alright. They don't really seem to pay much attention to the music I personally care about these days, though. I like Pitchfork.tv a lot and their featured articles are occasionally pretty interesting. I think the reason people seem to hate the site so much is because it has become difficult to view it as a group of individuals with their own opinions writing about music; it seems to have evolved into a monolithic taste-making beast and I don't think that is something many people want to have their opinions associated with.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: BrittanyMarie on 03 May 2009, 18:39
I didn't like Wavves live really, but he DID make fun of my roommate's stupid boyfriend so therefore he's okay by me. Vampire Hands opened and I liked them a lot more. They're a psych-y kind of fun and were way better live than what I'm listening to online. IE don't sound like they're in a tiny metal shack.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Tom on 03 May 2009, 19:05
I think Pitchfork is pretty alright. They don't really seem to pay much attention to the music I personally care about these days, though. I like Pitchfork.tv a lot and their featured articles are occasionally pretty interesting. I think the reason people seem to hate the site so much is because it has become difficult to view it as a group of individuals with their own opinions writing about music; it seems to have evolved into a monolithic taste-making beast and I don't think that is something many people want to have their opinions associated with.

This is pretty much how I view it.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Alex C on 03 May 2009, 19:56
I like Vampire Hands. Nice percussion stuff and their production doesn't suck.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: BrittanyMarie on 04 May 2009, 00:25
Sometimes multiple drummers bug me but VH are so good. \o alex
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: the Goat on 10 May 2009, 21:45
I like the album, but I was a little disappointed in them live. It was so clean, and the fuzz on the album is what I liked about it. It doesn't take much to re-enact that either; you just need crappy equipment pushed to within an inch of his life. When I saw him he had a drummer and himself, playing a brand new, really expensive guitar through a Vintage Marshall  rig. I'm probably the only person who cares about this, but it's a real turn off seeing a scuzz rock band with equipment they bought with their parents money. I still like the album, and if they come to Baltimore again I'll probably go see them, but they're not the second coming.


I'll have to check out Crocodiles, though. Thanks for the rec.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 May 2009, 22:11
Somebody made a parody band. (http://www.myspace.com/juavves) :laugh:

Oh god that is fantastic.

I really enjoyed that.  Is there something wrong with me?
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Alex C on 11 May 2009, 10:03
Sometimes multiple drummers bug me but VH are so good. \o alex

They still have grooves. I like my rhythm sections to be about well, rhythm. Their drummers reinforce eachother rather than just wank all over the place.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: the Goat on 13 May 2009, 21:09
Also, if anyone saw that live footage that Pitchfork posted, you should know that he's not as bad live as he is in that footage (at least he wasn't when I saw him). After I saw that my heart sank and I was genuinely perplexed. Still, I went to his show and was happily surprised to see that it was not as bad as P-fork.tv made it out to be.

It wasn't live changing, but it was alright. I went in with really low expectations and was surprised.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: valley_parade on 31 May 2009, 11:41
Not bad live?

http://pitchfork.com/news/35459-wavves-self-destruct-in-barcelona/

This has to be one of the funniest things I've heard in a LONG time.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Tehz on 31 May 2009, 12:48
There have to exist videos of this. There just HAVE to.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Johnny C on 31 May 2009, 14:44
That article makes me so mad. Its tone is deeply condescending.

I guess fuck this guy for suddenly finding himself famous thanks to Pitchfork? So glad they were able to set him up and then mock him when shit falls through.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Koremora on 31 May 2009, 14:45
That article makes me so mad. Its tone is deeply condescending.

I guess fuck this guy for suddenly finding himself famous thanks to Pitchfork? So glad they were able to set him up and then mock him when shit falls through.

This. What a douchebaggy backstab move that was.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Babpacih on 31 May 2009, 14:56
in the classic words of general disarray (kinda) "NO WAVE DID IT! NO WAVE DID IT!"
except No New York kicks all this new craps ass.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: michaelicious on 31 May 2009, 16:55
That article makes me so mad. Its tone is deeply condescending.

I guess fuck this guy for suddenly finding himself famous thanks to Pitchfork? So glad they were able to set him up and then mock him when shit falls through.

Or maybe fuck this guy we invited him to play on our stage at a pretty big festival and he acted like a fucking dick.

Or maybe they just thought it was funny.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: KvP on 31 May 2009, 19:23
I'm reluctant to believe P4k set up Wavves for a meltdown, by which I mean I doubt it was known in advance that Wavves could not keep it together live. It seems like a demo or something made it out to the net and they seized on it. By all accounts Wavves has apparently been putting on shit live shows for some time since then.

It's not as though live show dysfunction is something Wavves can't get over. People still suck Chan Marshall's dick, don't they? Mark E. Smith's too. Not that I think Wavves is as good as anything either of those people have put out.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Koremora on 31 May 2009, 19:38
I'm not a Wavves fan (at all, I can't stand shitgaze), but I still think it's kinda shitty that Pitchfork was like, "This guy is AMAZING!" And then as soon as he fucks up, they post an article going, "Hahahahahaha look at this idiot what a failure he is everyone point and laugh." Inconsistent and bitchy move, Pitchfork.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Inlander on 31 May 2009, 19:50
Wait, so a festival schedules a band to start their set at fucking 2:20 in the morning and then everyone's surprised when they behave in a manner that sounds, basically, consistent with people who'd really much rather be sleeping?
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Alex C on 31 May 2009, 20:39
See, I would hold more sympathy for that position if the man in question hadn't commented on how he was on ecstasy, valium and xanax while trying to perform in front of thousands of people. I don't give two shits about Wavves, but frankly I don't see what's really wrong with a music rag writing a negative commentary on a shitty performance that happened on a stage that they apparently sponsored. Also, I find the inconsistency argument to be a somewhat silly thing to bring up. Plenty of performers are talented but that doesn't mean they are incapable of crashing and burning on stage without anyone noticing. I have no love for the music industry but this guy sounds like he basically broke the cardinal rule and acted like a dick to strangers.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: E. Spaceman on 31 May 2009, 22:16
Wait, so a festival schedules a band to start their set at fucking 2:20 in the morning and then everyone's surprised when they behave in a manner that sounds, basically, consistent with people who'd really much rather be sleeping?


You have to remember the context though.   This is a festival in Spain and most people would be fairly young.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Inlander on 31 May 2009, 22:20
I'm not talking about the audience, though, I'm talking about the bloke on stage. Just because you're in a band doesn't necessarily mean you want to stay up all night.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Alex C on 31 May 2009, 23:30
There's a difference between being crabby because a job you took on requires hideous hours and actively goading your audience. I usually understand why people sometimes behave badly when under pressure. I also understand why people typically don't condone such behavior. It's tiresome and in the case of a performance it's not what people paid to come to see. Further, I'd hold that Pitchfork was in a tough place on this regardless. Even if they said nothing at all about the incident there'd still probably be people out there accusing ol' Forky of playing favorites; after all, it's hardly like Pitchfork is the only source of music news and they're pretty established as pro-Wavves for the most part. Hell, it took me two blog posts and a trip to the forums before I even found out that Pitchfork commented on the incident at all yet I would have thought the absence of a comment even more conspicuous than what they did say.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: scarred on 31 May 2009, 23:50
Better to apologize than ask permission!

http://pitchfork.com/news/35473-wavves-apologizes-for-breakdown/
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: BlahBlah on 01 Jun 2009, 01:06
Mark E. Smith's too.

Definitely. I mean, Wavves were playing at a big festival but Mark E. Smith does that kind of thing at almost every concert.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Ballard on 01 Jun 2009, 01:23
lol according to P4K he posted and then deleted the following on his blog

Quote
I think in the back of my head I knew I wasn't exactly mentally healthy enough to continue to tour the way I have been since February. Honest truth is this has all happened so fast and I feel like the weight of it has been building for months now with what seems like a never ending touring and press schedule which includes absolutely zero time to myself. I'm sorry to everyone who has put effort into this and to everyone who supported me. Mixing ecstasy valium and xanax before having to play in front of thousands of people was one of the more poor decisions I've made(duh) and I realize my drinking has been a problem now for a good period of time. Nothing else I can do but apologize to everyone that has been affected by my poor decision making. I made a mistake. Not the first mistake I've made and it for sure wont be the last. I'm human. Don't know why I chose the biggest platform I could imagine to loose my shit, but that's life. You live and you learn.

if you're a douchebag enough to write something like "Mixing ecstasy valium and xanax before having to play in front of thousands of people was one of the more poor decisions I've made(duh) and I realize my drinking has been a problem now for a good period of time." where all your fans will see it then you don't really deserve my respect. Have some class! Also your music sucks.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: De_El on 01 Jun 2009, 12:21
There's some video now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3IxqXgchto

I guess that's pretty obnoxious. Seems like they caught the least dramatic part of it, because after a kind of obnoxious soundcheck, they sound like they're starting to go somewhere but then the video ends.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: a pack of wolves on 01 Jun 2009, 13:03
Based on that video, that doesn't seem that bad at all. Shit, I've played more obnoxious soundchecks than that.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Johnny C on 01 Jun 2009, 14:03
yo i'm not necessarily coming to this guy's defense for melting down i'm just saying fuck this badly-written pfork article which two seconds ago i discovered was written by schrieber himself
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Alex C on 01 Jun 2009, 14:23
The soundcheck really doesn't sound like it was the tipping point from what I've read and from my own experience with concerts. Most crowds would rather enjoy themselves than sit around booing people offstage; it sounds like the real problem was that they got snotty even after things started to turn around a bit for them.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: KharBevNor on 01 Jun 2009, 18:52
Whatever the ins and outs of this sorry escapade, whoever wrote that article described his own festival as 'one of the raddest in the world' which makes him such an utter shitcock that he should be ground down an inch a day and used to paint the Forth bridge.

Thankyou for reminding me how much idiotic drama I can happily skip by not listening to shit music and reading shit websites guys.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: KharBevNor on 01 Jun 2009, 19:51
Even if it was headlined by Jimi Hendrix and the second coming of christ he would still sound like a douche.

According to the web it seems unremarkable in the scheme of things. Also, a pitchforkstage where Wavves ply. Best in the world. Uh-huh.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Zingoleb on 01 Jun 2009, 20:02
(name) and the Second Coming of Christ sounds like a band I would go to see.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Inlander on 01 Jun 2009, 20:51
What instrument did Jesus play?
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Koremora on 01 Jun 2009, 20:56
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2126/1848765667_fd7d8c9fed.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Zingoleb on 01 Jun 2009, 21:11
After the Resurrection, Jesus got fat. They used the Jaws of Life to get him out of his tomb.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: BlahBlah on 02 Jun 2009, 01:58
Even if it was headlined by Jimi Hendrix and the second coming of christ he would still sound like a douche.

According to the web it seems unremarkable in the scheme of things. Also, a pitchforkstage where Wavves ply. Best in the world. Uh-huh.

It featured Neil Young playing on a beach in front of the setting sun, Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine and Shellac.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: michaelicious on 02 Jun 2009, 08:18
Neil Young playing on a beach in front of the setting sun

I love Neil Young. So I hope he doesn't get offended when I say, "lol" about that corny bullshit.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Kyros on 02 Jun 2009, 11:06
So how long until some whacked out hipster puts up a "LEAVE NATHAN ALOOOOOOOOOONE!!!" video on YouTube?
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: KharBevNor on 03 Jun 2009, 00:14
So it was basically Glastonbury but everyones clothes get full of sand.
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Ballard on 03 Jun 2009, 00:38
What instrument did Jesus play?

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/XLxmNQtWylqo17i24AmKEezTo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0RYTHV9YYQ4W5Q3HQMG2&Expires=1244101074&Signature=DKe5M6cQzCG8jjRX16liYIhM%2B3U%3D)
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: David_Dovey on 05 Jun 2009, 06:23
Well God is a DJ so I suppose it depends on your views on the nature of the trinity
Title: Re: Wavves
Post by: Skibas_clavicle on 05 Jun 2009, 15:05
I dunno, personally, I like Wavves. And I don't think it has anything to do with the P-fork hype, most because a) I hate Pitchfork and b) I hadn't been aware of their hype towards the dude before I heard him. I have a hard time getting behind a lot of things this lo-fi that were made post like 1996, but after I actually listening to it, I really dug the album. I mean, I'm not saying it's genius, but it's a pretty enjoyable album to like get really drunk to.