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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Is it cold in here? on 05 Jul 2009, 18:07
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I'm kind of worried that they got physical too fast. That can be bad for a relationship. Wil is idealizing Pennelope instead of relating to her as a person. He's mostly OK on her checklist from #1242, but fails the "starving artist" filter.
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I'm going with something unexpected. I've given up on speculating on these things.
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I chose "Gallivanting gadolinium gagfest". I don't know what gadolinium is, but it sounds funny.
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I think it'll be fine because I think Jeph would rather showcase drama elsewhere than on these two fairly secondary characters.
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Good point: those four or five panels a day strictly limit how much digression Jeph can do.
OTOH maybe it's Pennelope's turn to get more attention.
(Would anyone believe me if I said that "gadolinium" was a medieval stringed instrument, or would they look it up on Wikipedia and discover I was lying?)
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It's one of the elements, isn't it?
I swear it's in the song.
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Yes, I knew it was an element. Yes, it is in the song. Yes, I looked it up on wikipedia to prove you wrong.
Gadolinium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadolinium)
The song. (http://www.privatehand.com/flash/elements.html)
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yes i am sure it wil. there love is meant to be :)
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Bah... Penelope was a complete jerk to him in todays comic.
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Right now it's looking like she's going to rip his heart out and stomp it in the dirt. :-(
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I chose "Gallivanting gadolinium gagfest". I don't know what gadolinium is, but it sounds funny.
This.
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Right now it's looking like she's going to rip his heart out and stomp it in the dirt. :-(
the thought of a succubus highlander shouting "There can only be one!" ripping out a dudes heart and holding it up into the air with bloody letters above her head and a low creepy voice saying "Fatality!" comes to mind :laugh:
but based off todays comic I think your right. :wink:
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I always wondered what he did for a living. Apparently nothing.
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Before today's comic, I would've said "yes, they'll last." Now I'm not so sure.
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Penelope kinda over-reacted there a bit... :|
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Well, she IS crazy, remember?
Which I thought was unfair at the time, and having a lover turn into a moocher is grounds for getting upset.
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Getting upset? Yes, definitely normal in this situation. Calling him a "total fucking loser" with a you-disgust-me look on her face? Not so much.
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Which implies that it's limerance, not love. If I were thinking straight I'd never say something like what Pennelope said to someone I cared about. That's not even "tough love", it's abuse.
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penelope is abusive woman, i want to punch her in the liver
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You're a good friend.
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I'm kind of worried that they got physical too fast. That can be bad for a relationship.
Wait, what? 6 months or more is "too fast"?
Seeing how this is my first post, maybe I should skip commenting on that second sentence. Suffice to say that the phrase "puritanical nonsense" would have been used.
:-)
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Two dates, and not knowing where he lived?
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Well... to be fair, she did know that he was unemployed.
And a writer.
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OH... I am... ready for this to be a 'too early for anti-Wil' pragmatisms. but still... I think that penelope needs a stronger man than Wil. Wil makes me want to choke myself on my toothbrush. Wil makes me want to strangle myself with my bath-towel. Wil makes me want to accidentally slip on a bathmat and brain myself on my own fucking toilet. as a MAN... as a fucking MAN... Wil makes me want to beat myself into insensibility with the nearest hard or blunt object handy. I love the witing of QC and the characters that have come into play. but I have to speak myself out... speak out against Wil... Wil makes me want to die as a man. not only the little deaths. but all of the big deaths as well. maybe Wil represents a small faction of us... but maybe he represents the faction of your loyal readers that we just don't want to give any weight to. I know that we've all been there. I know that as a reader we've all, (as men) been that man right there. but Wil destroys my soul. I guess that is all that I have to say. I am anti-Wil.
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What do you have against bathroom products?
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I dont think Penelope was too hard on him. I cant remember if he ever said he was unemployed but maybe wrong. Though having to borrow money off of Sven to take her out should have told me it was so - And yes, I have spoken like Penelope did, because lets face it, he is as wishy-washey as they come. He needs to Man up, get a job to support himself while writing instead of living off everyones coat-tails...
**known too many people like him, and he makes me mad......
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Bah... Penelope was a complete jerk to him in todays comic.
Meh. He's an adult with no job and not even making an attempt. That's his choice to make, (and not bad if you can get away with it) but if that's not the kind of person she wants then she deserves to know.
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...And yes, I have spoken like Penelope did, because lets face it, he is as wishy-washey as they come. He needs to Man up, get a job to support himself while writing instead of living off everyones coat-tails...
Bah. We live in an ignorant, puritanical culture. I'm with Will, and don't think he deserves what he's getting. To my mind, there's nothing more ignorant than the belief that having to work to support oneself doesn't (usually) cripple one's creativity. I'm with Aristotle:
All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind. -Nicomachean Ethics
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I honestly didn't even register the last strip as abuse because Wil is already a punchline. I think that abuse would be much more warranted NOW, because "I don't have a job and live with my parents" is a very different statement than "I haven't had a job in SIX YEARS". In the second case, unless he has undeniable sex appeal or other purely physical reasons to stay with him, I'd show his ass the airlock. Even if the physical side was REALLY good, I don't know what kind of future there is with a guy who lacks the ambition, or even shame, to support himself.
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I think living off other people when you're able-bodied degrades the soul.
A writer should have life experience in order to write about humans. Jobs are life experience.
On the other hand Maddness was on solid ground pointing out the difference between "I choose not to date people who've chosen the path of the unemployed artist" and saying "You're a total fucking loser!".
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OH... I am... ready for this to be a 'too early for anti-Wil' pragmatisms. but still... I think that penelope needs a stronger man than Wil. Wil makes me want to choke myself on my toothbrush. Wil makes me want to strangle myself with my bath-towel. Wil makes me want to accidentally slip on a bathmat and brain myself on my own fucking toilet. as a MAN... as a fucking MAN... Wil makes me want to beat myself into insensibility with the nearest hard or blunt object handy. I love the witing of QC and the characters that have come into play. but I have to speak myself out... speak out against Wil... Wil makes me want to die as a man. not only the little deaths. but all of the big deaths as well. maybe Wil represents a small faction of us... but maybe he represents the faction of your loyal readers that we just don't want to give any weight to. I know that we've all been there. I know that as a reader we've all, (as men) been that man right there. but Wil destroys my soul. I guess that is all that I have to say. I am anti-Wil.
Glad to see that all men must conform to your standards before you accept them.
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OH... I am... ready for this to be a 'too early for anti-Wil' pragmatisms. but still... I think that penelope needs a stronger man than Wil. Wil makes me want to choke myself on my toothbrush. Wil makes me want to strangle myself with my bath-towel. Wil makes me want to accidentally slip on a bathmat and brain myself on my own fucking toilet. as a MAN... as a fucking MAN... Wil makes me want to beat myself into insensibility with the nearest hard or blunt object handy. I love the witing of QC and the characters that have come into play. but I have to speak myself out... speak out against Wil... Wil makes me want to die as a man. not only the little deaths. but all of the big deaths as well. maybe Wil represents a small faction of us... but maybe he represents the faction of your loyal readers that we just don't want to give any weight to. I know that we've all been there. I know that as a reader we've all, (as men) been that man right there. but Wil destroys my soul. I guess that is all that I have to say. I am anti-Wil.
Glad to see that all men must conform to your standards before you accept them.
meh... being a man in the first place is a base standard to work with. Wil doesn't really fit the bill. to throw a reasonable comparison out there, Marten wasn't exactly the strongest of us all either. but he can still support himself as he needs to while still persuing avenues for his creativity (the band and his music blog) and can stand up for himself without mewling and sniveling and begging people not to leave him. which is fine really. if the character needs to be there for the storyliine than the character needs to be there. that's up to Jeph. doesn't mean I have to like the character at all. basically the character of Wil consistently makes me gag. which could well be the entire point.
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If Wil isn't a man, what is he?
"Boy" is a supportable answer. He's not meeting the mainstream culture's definition of adult responsibility, which includes self-support.
I don't know whether I'd go for that interpretation, but he wouldn't be the only character who has some childlike characteristics.
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Name one character that doesn't show childlike qualities. Just one.
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Jeph said once that none of them could be considered mature, but Veronica Reed seems pretty together.
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I don't know ... this is the woman that sent her son a pink "I AM THE PRETTIEST PRINCESS" t-shirt.
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Jeph said once that none of them could be considered mature, but Veronica Reed seems pretty together.
He might have just meant the main cast, rather than including their parents.
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Ah, the man-boy Penelope's trying to fix. And this will work because?
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Good point. If it winds up working better than the usual attempt to change a partner, it will be because Wil is honest about his limitations and doesn't take Pennelope for granted.
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i'm not sure if it'll work or not, honestly. penelope can take a fair amount of shit before she breaks down or even says anything about it... such as abuse from her fellow co-workers when she started at CoD (however, i don't see how anyone around faye could NOT take a fair amount of shit), so i don't think this alone will be enough to sabotage their relationship. besides, it isn't as though he shows no initiative toward getting a job. i suppose we'll just have to see!
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I think that Penelope will get pregnant! think about it, a preggers Penny wandering around the O' Doom, the preggers jokes, the artistic stretch (marks?) of creating a pregnant character, 'splainin childbirth to Hanners, (please do a strip mentioning episiotomies). The material it would generate is endless, then Penny and Will stuck with a kid, dealing with life, I mean c'mon someone in this group needs to grow up and settle down at some point so why not some secondary characters? Everyone else coudl still rut like minxes with no consequences, but Will and Penny could be the hipster cautionary tale of what happens when you have kids and get banished to suburbia.
I will take full credit for this story line, let me know if you need more gags Jeph!
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Well, you are pretty good at making me gag. Writing gags, I mean. My bad.
What makes you think that Jeph needs your help in where the story goes?
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I just noticed something. Back in 1259, Sven told Wil that it was just infatuation.
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He's mostly OK on her checklist from #1242, but fails the "starving artist" filter.
the messed up thing about girls is a lot of them say they will never do something, and go right on and do it anyway. that especially relates to relationships.
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Well, you are pretty good at making me gag. Writing gags, I mean. My bad.
What makes you think that Jeph needs your help in where the story goes?
Because he obviously hasn't had the brilliant idea of a pregnant character storyline yet, so therefore he will need my help. Better yet Penelope gets pregnant, settles down with Will and when the baby is born he looks like...GASP! Pintsize! It turns out Pintsize has nanites capable of carrying a technology based DNA for replication. Being a military chassis PC, the original Pentagon plan was for the anthro PC's to be able to replicate behind enemy lines.
This stuff is genius! Why WOULDN'T Jeph come begging for plot help?
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when the baby is born he looks like...GASP! Pintsize!
That's already been done, in a guest strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=475); also here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=811); there's also been pregnant Dora (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=623). Do keep up.
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If we want to stay somewhat within the bonds of plausibility, a preggers Penelope storyline would end in heartbreak. Not only does Wil not want to succumb to the "mundane" and "grownup" world, he's also not ever had to actually supply for his own needs. At least Marten never mooched off others even when he made choices that were likely to pauperize him. So he's most certainly fail at fatherhood. The pressures of a family would prove too much for him and he'd probably bail.
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OH... I am... ready for this to be a 'too early for anti-Wil' pragmatisms. but still... I think that penelope needs a stronger man than Wil. Wil makes me want to choke myself on my toothbrush. Wil makes me want to strangle myself with my bath-towel. Wil makes me want to accidentally slip on a bathmat and brain myself on my own fucking toilet. as a MAN... as a fucking MAN... Wil makes me want to beat myself into insensibility with the nearest hard or blunt object handy. I love the witing of QC and the characters that have come into play. but I have to speak myself out... speak out against Wil... Wil makes me want to die as a man. not only the little deaths. but all of the big deaths as well. maybe Wil represents a small faction of us... but maybe he represents the faction of your loyal readers that we just don't want to give any weight to. I know that we've all been there. I know that as a reader we've all, (as men) been that man right there. but Wil destroys my soul. I guess that is all that I have to say. I am anti-Wil.
People like you are why I hate having a penis.
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when the baby is born he looks like...GASP! Pintsize!
That's already been done, in a guest strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=475); also here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=811); there's also been pregnant Dora (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=623). Do keep up.
That wasn't canon. It was a guest strip and a day dream. OK, pintsize as the father is a stretch, I'll admit I was going gonzo in order to make Penny pregnant with Will's baby sound more palatable BUT I think a pregnant Penny is a good storyline. Heck, at the pace of life in QC, she'd be pregnant for a good 2 years.
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Why exactly ? The previous poster is right i would say. Will has no job, no reasonable plans to get one - he is searching only because Penny (implicitly) ordered him to. He has some idea about writing poetry, but there are two problems - a) it is difficult to make a living doing anything like that, b) If he will not work, deal with problems of common people, whatever he will write will be unappealing to most of us, since he will be far from the important issues - art should serve a social function, trying to improve society.
As it was pointed out already, Penny is probably searching for somebody much more reliable and stable. It is still possible that Will will (:D) improve under her influence, and become a 'proper man' but otherwise, she will most likely get too fed up with his ineptness.
(Also this means that except for some very weird accident , she will be unlikely to get pregnant (therefore in QC-verse it just might happen))
Also , saying these things is not merely reflecting an idea within our society - not being able to take care of yourself is a biological putoff, just like being a cripple (not saying that people with disabilities are necessarily unworthy in this respect, just pointing out that that particular trait is obviously one of the negatives about any such afflicted person) since such person is unlikely to ensure a good future for the common offspring Imagine a caveman who sucked at hunting and lived from others' scraps instead - would any cavewoman be interested in getting involved with him?
If Will lived somehow on his own, this would be less problematic even if the source of his living was social security, but currently he seems to leech his family, and is likely to be a similar burden on Penny if they lived together.
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Sponging off your friends or lovers is simply unattractive behavior, male or female.
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Ugh. I had liked Penny thinking she was smart. But "Look on the bright side, maybe [dreary manual labor will] provide you with some inspiration for your poetry." is the dumbest thing she's ever said. It may also be the dumbest attitude in the world.
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Why? Many great poets (in my country) wrote about workers, their plight and the values they create. Many of them worked in industry at some point of their lives.
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Labor, especially farm labor, is a pretty solid theme in American poetry as well.
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Then it should be easy to list all the great American poets who were able to build a lasting body of work and who had to work as farmers to support themselves. Go ahead.
If you want a list of great artists, on the other hand, who had some form of patronage / inheritance / support, there are plenty of reference books on painters, poets, and writers available. Check under the heading of 'most.'
As well, Penny gives Will grief ("Jesus Fucking Christ, Will...") for 'not living up to his full potential' while working at a coffee shop? Cast out the beam out of thine own eye, toots.
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Carl Sandburg. If my degree were in English instead of physics, I suspect I could name more.
Good point about Pennelope. Even though her criticism was that Wil failed at being self-supporting, something that she manages to do, it's a glaring fact that she has (presumably) a college degree (has this ever been covered explicitly?) but is a barista idly leafing through classified ads with unpursued ideas about working in publishing. Maybe there's some projection on her part.
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you know, i'd never thought of that but you guys make a good point. pen is a little under-accomplished to be judging wil, or anyone really.
at least she's doing better than him, though that's saying very little.
i'd say the only character in their age range that has a career rather than working is dora, since she owns the coffee shop.
and sven, who sells shitty songs for millions.
... and whatever it is steve does? o_O
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Carl Sandburg began his writing career as a journalist for the Chicago Daily News. In other words, he was one of the lucky few who find a job doing what they like (writing, in his case). That's great for an artist, when it happens. Getting paid to train yourself in your medium is friggin great when it happens. Ask Jeph.
My argument is that, if you're someone who feels drawn to poetry, you're SOL in that regard. And that you don't deserve contempt for not wanting to work some shitty job.
The best counter-argument would be Nietzschean,
Nietzsche believes that human strength and wisdom is elevated in direct proportion to the depths of human suffering and the overcoming of suffering. Direct experience of the harsh and impersonal nature of the universe leads to a unique understanding of reality that sets a person above and beyond the comparatively shallow belief systems and illusionary hopes of the mass of humanity (the herd)...
For Nietzsche, suffering makes one “hard.” If it is true that that which does not kill us makes us stronger, then it is equally true that by overcoming suffering, by facing it squarely and by not turning toward such overworn tools as “faith” and “hope”, we become something greater than what we were without suffering. “And if your hardness does not wish to flash and cut and cut through, how can you one day create with me? For creators are hard. And it must seem blessedness to you to impress your hand on millennia as on wax, blessedness to write on the will of millennia as on bronze – harder than bronze, nobler than bronze. Only the noblest is altogether hard. This new tablet, O my brothers, I place over you: become hard!” (Thus Spoke Zarathustra: Third Part - 1884).
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/wkb/nietzschesuffer.html (http://www.angelfire.com/ga/wkb/nietzschesuffer.html)
but that's not what Penny is saying. She is unaware that working some crap job full time to support oneself will suck your creativity into that job. There is no greater indictment of modern society than someone waking at three in the morning, and realizing their subconscious creative energy has been vacuumed up by office politics or the need to pay the heating bill.
I still think Aristotle nailed it. All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind.
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Emerson said something to the effect "The poet does not dig", in reaction against an idea that a well-rounded scholar should have experience of actual work. So it's not just Aristotle.
On Carl Sandburg, he was a long way from sponging off his parents and avoiding manual work:
At the age of thirteen he left school and began driving a milk wagon. He subsequently became a bricklayer and a farm laborer on the wheat plains of Kansas.[1] After an interval spent at Lombard College in Galesburg,[2] he became a hotel servant in Denver, then a coal-heaver in Omaha.
Langston Hughes apparently wasn't injured by working as a busboy.
Does being supported by others work for Wil, given what we've seen of his poetry?
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Does being supported by others work for Wil, given what we've seen of his poetry?
hell to tha nawwwwwww.
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penelope is abusive woman, i want to punch her in the liver
I'd rather uppercut her in the ovaries. Her personality disgusts me. The only thing I like about her is that she's cute.
I just noticed something. Back in 1259, Sven told Wil that it was just infatuation.
Of course it is. How do you fall in love with someone you've spent no substantial amount of time with? Wil just looked at her and said, "That's my woman!" Love at first sight is bullshit.
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Based on what we know of Wil, I dont think he has ever been in a relationship. This is all new for him (or seems to be) I think he will do what ever penpen will tell him. he will become a doormat. :| for fear of loosing her.
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I think Wil's been in a relationship before, in #1434 he mentions his sex life: "It's been quite some time since I've engaged in that particular activity." So he has been with at least one girl before and Wil doesn't seem the type to be in just physical relationship where it was only about sex, he would be with someone who he "loves." The question is if he was actually in love with said girl(s) or just infatuated like it seems to be with Pen.
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Carl Sandburg began his writing career as a journalist for the Chicago Daily News. In other words, he was one of the lucky few who find a job doing what they like (writing, in his case). That's great for an artist, when it happens. Getting paid to train yourself in your medium is friggin great when it happens. Ask Jeph.
My argument is that, if you're someone who feels drawn to poetry, you're SOL in that regard. And that you don't deserve contempt for not wanting to work some shitty job.
The best counter-argument would be Nietzschean,
Nietzsche believes that human strength and wisdom is elevated in direct proportion to the depths of human suffering and the overcoming of suffering. Direct experience of the harsh and impersonal nature of the universe leads to a unique understanding of reality that sets a person above and beyond the comparatively shallow belief systems and illusionary hopes of the mass of humanity (the herd)...
For Nietzsche, suffering makes one “hard.” If it is true that that which does not kill us makes us stronger, then it is equally true that by overcoming suffering, by facing it squarely and by not turning toward such overworn tools as “faith” and “hope”, we become something greater than what we were without suffering. “And if your hardness does not wish to flash and cut and cut through, how can you one day create with me? For creators are hard. And it must seem blessedness to you to impress your hand on millennia as on wax, blessedness to write on the will of millennia as on bronze – harder than bronze, nobler than bronze. Only the noblest is altogether hard. This new tablet, O my brothers, I place over you: become hard!” (Thus Spoke Zarathustra: Third Part - 1884).
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/wkb/nietzschesuffer.html (http://www.angelfire.com/ga/wkb/nietzschesuffer.html)
but that's not what Penny is saying. She is unaware that working some crap job full time to support oneself will suck your creativity into that job. There is no greater indictment of modern society than someone waking at three in the morning, and realizing their subconscious creative energy has been vacuumed up by office politics or the need to pay the heating bill.
I still think Aristotle nailed it. All paid jobs absorb and degrade the mind.
First of all, Nietzsche sucks. I said it. I think you would have a hard time proving that all "creators" are hard: Socrates, Plato, Aristotle- these were free citizens of Athens, which generally meant a pretty easy lifestyle, and yet they produced most of the foundational thought of western philosophy. And I refuse to believe that faith and hope are "crutches." It's very much as though Nietzsche was advocating training oneself without any goal in mind- like running psychical laps without having a race in mind.
Secondly, I think it's absurd to say unequivocally that paid jobs degrade the mind. Ted Kooser was Poet Laureate, but he spent a lot of his adult life working at an insurance company.
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Citizen of Athens = easy lifestyle. You do realize that Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates all marched to war multiple times in their lives? And that as a result of such duty they, along with other free citizens, made it a point to regularly practice the arts of war (marching in formation, etc)? Even in as remarkable a city as Athens, life in the Bronze Age could only be relatively easy, never 'pretty' easy.
Although that just makes your overall point all the more correct. Hard work <> worse artist.
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Why? Many great poets (in my country) wrote about workers, their plight and the values they create. Many of them worked in industry at some point of their lives.
Let me guess, you live in some interchangable ex-Soviet country?
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Citizen of Athens = easy lifestyle. You do realize that Plato, Aristotle, and Socrates all marched to war multiple times in their lives? And that as a result of such duty they, along with other free citizens, made it a point to regularly practice the arts of war (marching in formation, etc)? Even in as remarkable a city as Athens, life in the Bronze Age could only be relatively easy, never 'pretty' easy.
Although that just makes your overall point all the more correct. Hard work <> worse artist.
Ease of life is always relative. Compared to, say, the helots of Sparta, free Athenians had it incredibly easy. But, in this instance, I mean to discuss Nietzsche's idea of a "hard creator," which I think differs slightly from an artist in general.
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Just to make a side comment, being paid to do something doesn't degrade the mind. However, there is an argument that doing something for money can tarnish the final product. If I want to sell my artwork, whatever it is, I have to make it sellable, I have to make it attractive to the largest number of people or I have to make it for a particular patron who will dictate terms to me. The great creators had time to create and study, but that also somewhat ignores the fact that many great artists and creators were fairly unappreciated in their times. Socrates was wealthy and had a family that he, presumably, supported with vast wealth he had independantly, given that he also served as a soldier and had purchased his own hoplite armor and weaponry there is something to be said for him being wealthy from the get-go.
To the main topic, I think the question of whether it will last or not has a lot to do with how much both characters grow as well as how much the rest of the cast finds out. Sven knows some of this, for example, but the more...acidic members of the cast do not know of Wills situation. Faye could have a field day with this as could Dora, and there is also the point that Sven seemed to have a certain amount of scorn for Will as seen in some of their other exchanges.
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Was there ever a relationship?? The way I see it, she had a romantic vision of Wil during his "journey", fueled by his letters (remember she reads crappy erotic chick lit, so the letter must have an enormous appeal to her) then he came back, she fucked him thus getting him out of the system, learned about his loser status and told him to shove off. (not sure she did, but if she didn't, she should have)
Anyone here remembers Adrian Mole?? it was a book and later a TV series character about a boy who wanted to be a poet but was a presumptuous and pompous ass, never really accomplishing anything... That's what Wil always reminds me of.
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I don't think Wil is pompous at all, in fact I see him as being really insecure about a lot of things including his writing and especially being with a woman. He pretty much is a loser, but Pen is helping him find a job and sticking by him. Yes, the relationship was filled with nothing but delusions during Wil's trip and now reality is crashing down on them and it'll be interesting to see how it ends up.
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1143 and 1208 were, if not pompous, at least the verbal equivalent of wearing a tuxedo to McDonald's.
That was a good insight about how Pennelope's girl-porn habit interacted with Wil's letters.
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I was re-reading strip 1447, where Penelope is asking him about his job hunt and he literally says to her that he's trying to avoid "...that sort of dreary manual labor." when she suggests he go wash dishes or wait tables... I mean, she works in a coffee shop, so she actually DOES that sort of dreary manual labor. Who, except an absolute asshole, would say that to his barista girlfriend, while living off her???
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Well... it IS dreary manual labor. If a boy said that to me when I was catering I would only agree with him. Work like that sucks ass and should be avoided if you can help it.
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am I crazy to be quitting my boring sit at a desk job witht he government to go back to school, meaning I'll have to work a dull manual labor job again? :?
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kind of.
government desk jobs, and really most desk jobs, consist of mostly getting paid to pay bejeweled and read webcomics. i would rather work my boring-ass desk job than anything involving manual labor. then again, i guess i wouldn't want to work it forever, and that is why i'm in college for nursing.
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kind of.
government desk jobs, and really most desk jobs, consist of mostly getting paid to pay bejeweled and read webcomics. i would rather work my boring-ass desk job than anything involving manual labor. then again, i guess i wouldn't want to work it forever, and that is why i'm in college for nursing.
haha exaclty. I dont want to do this forever so I am going back to school. Im 23, no debt, no kids, nothing tieing me down so now is the best time to go back. im only making 40k a year. I could do way better but I am tired of the tech field and want to do anthropology, maybe get a real government job (currently just a contractor :cry: ).
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as long as it doesn't involve working for Korean firms. The will work you to death
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What kind of desk job would work for Wil? Something in communications, perhaps, though he might find it soul-destroying.
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Well... it IS dreary manual labor. If a boy said that to me when I was catering I would only agree with him. Work like that sucks ass and should be avoided if you can help it.
my point was not either that kind of job sucks or not (obviously it does, and not only because it's manual labor but mostly because there's hardly any career perspective). The point is that he is in a way belittling her job, which is currently paying HIS bills. Like he's saying- manual labor is good for you but not for me. If I was in her shoes that comment would have pissed me off immensely.
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am I crazy to be quitting my boring sit at a desk job witht he government to go back to school, meaning I'll have to work a dull manual labor job again? :?
no, investing in your education and your future is NEVER a bad choice. Even if for a while it seems that way, it pays off in the end.
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Let me guess, you live in some interchangable ex-Soviet country?
ex-Soviet no, ex-RVHP && Warsaw Agreement yes.
Still it does not make what i said less relevant. Our artists were able to produce interesting and valuable works while most of them had proper jobs at least in early part of lives (later plenty became polit. functionaries or culture officials which is not manual labour).
This implies that will is just conjuring an excuse for his seal disease (arms away from work like seal's fins :D, common expression here)
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no, investing in your education and your future is NEVER a bad choice. Even if for a while it seems that way, it pays off in the end.
It depends - if one studies something rather useless (and from what i have read , in USA there are plenty such courses) he can give himself a shaft by wasting a few years ,and throwing a bunch of loans on his shoulders
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Anthropology. :-D
any who I already have my AA. I am now going for my BA and hopfully a PhD. I can totally go back to the same agency i was a contractor for and work as a government employee and end up getting paid twice as much and more, than what I am getting now. Or I could become a professor, a consultant, an archeologist, a....
The thing with anthropology, and indeed many majors, if you want to get a job in your field of study, you have to be creative. :-D After working as a contractor in the government I have seen many ways to do so. Not just with the government, but also in the corparate and private sectors. And even then there are many who get jobs they like that pay well that isnt in their field of study. :wink:
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It depends - if one studies something rather useless (and from what i have read , in USA there are plenty such courses) he can give himself a shaft by wasting a few years ,and throwing a bunch of loans on his shoulders
i.e. a bachelors in psychology, english, etc.
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Like he's saying- manual labor is good for you but not for me.
I'm pretty sure what he actually said was "manual labor is not good" period - there was nothing in there implying "is good for you".
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I dunno, the way I read it (and there are a number of different ways anyone can read it of course) is he thinks of himself as "above" that kind of work.
@nichidani: are those useless or useful degrees, im am confused. :-P I thought they were useful. Everyone thinks anthropology is a useless one. When I mention it everyone immediately jumps to Indiana Jones or National Treasure. :laugh: ...or worse, cross Geller... :oops:
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Everyone thinks anthropology is a useless one. When I mention it everyone immediately jumps to Indiana Jones or National Treasure. :laugh: ...or worse, cross Geller... :oops:
I'm confused. Isn't anthropology the study of human behaviour? Indiana Jones is an archaeologist. Or do I have that arse-backwards?
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Anthropology is the study of man. it has 3 major subgroups, arechology, cultural anthropology, and I for got the last one...haha.
I'd prefer idiana jones or national treasure to Ross Geller from friends. Dude was a wet dishcloth.
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Ross was a paleontologist, not an anthropologist.
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Ross was a paleontologist, not an anthropologist.
I know, but when I say anthropologist it still springs into peoples minds. :x
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Like he's saying- manual labor is good for you but not for me.
I'm pretty sure what he actually said was "manual labor is not good" period - there was nothing in there implying "is good for you".
no, he's not saying manual labor sucks, he's saying he wants to avoid that type of work for himself. He's saying: "I'm above that shit." when in fact it is actual manual labor that pays his bills at the moment- just not HIS manual labor.
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If that's what he meant (entirely possible), wouldn't he have said something more explicit than "I'd hoped to avoid that kind of dreary manual labor"?