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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Moo Cow on 24 Jul 2009, 10:08
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How would you feel if Jeph did a plot where Hannelore out grew her OCD (or something). That would be comforting at least for me, considering she's an annoying and awkward character, but i guess when it comes to comics you always need a mental character.. :|
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Not that she's a terribly realistic character to start with, but I think I would really be offended by the idea that she could "grow out of" a serious mental disorder. Nor do I think Jeph, as someone who suffers from OCD himself, would ever do a strip implying that such was possible.
She could learn to manage it better though. That would be good. I actually think Jeph has been moving her in that direction lately.
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She's already made progress compared to what she's told us of when she was "really bad". She's not alphabetizing her shrink's bookshelf any more and she's built a social life.
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You don't "grow out of" mental disorders.
But it would be more interesting to see more "not-Flanderized" Hannelore, like she was when she was first introduced.
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I agree with Bicostp... I mean, I really like the kind of character that is Hannelore right now. But it would be veyr ncie to see her like she was the very first time she was introduced.
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Are you kidding? The medication just made her worse, in other ways. She was stalking Marten! And smoking! And wearing her hair long! She'd never go back on them. Just look at what such anti-OCD stuff did to Monk.
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She was stalking Marten! And smoking! And wearing her hair long!
And I found that entertaining. Matter of tastes.
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Not that she's a terribly realistic character to start with, but I think I would really be offended by the idea that she could "grow out of" a serious mental disorder.
As an OCD sufferer, I agree. I too, am offended by that.
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She was stalking Marten! And smoking! And wearing her hair long!
And I found that entertaining. Matter of tastes.
As did I. I'm just saying, it's not something Hanners would want to do again.
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To me, when Hanners was first introduced, she seemed, so unlike herself. To be perfectly honest, it's nice to see a fictional character coping with a mental disorder.
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considering she's an annoying and awkward character, but i guess when it comes to comics you always need a mental character.. :|
How is she annoying? She has a mental disorder, that would hardly qualify her as annoying. She has quirks, it's what makes her interesting. I like it, personally.
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When i said 'Grow out of it' I only meant that as a hypothetical situation. So don't take it offensively or anything. - Anyway I guess most of you are right, I mean she has improved, as Is it cold in here? suggested.
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To me, when Hanners was first introduced, she seemed, so unlike herself. To be perfectly honest, it's nice to see a fictional character coping with a mental disorder.
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considering she's an annoying and awkward character, but i guess when it comes to comics you always need a mental character.. :|
How is she annoying? She has a mental disorder, that would hardly qualify her as annoying. She has quirks, it's what makes her interesting. I like it, personally.
I never meant it as an insult, I have a mental disorder. It's just how she always seems to be a bottom-feeder, so far from what i have read 636 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=636) she seems to be one of those offset secondary characters. But i could be wrong. I haven't read the entire comic. This is just my subsumption so far.
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As did I. I'm just saying, it's not something Hanners would want to do again.
Well... it's not like I want her to change [Hell no, she is one of my favorite characters hands down!] but I wonder what would happen if at some point she gets some change all of a sudden, like as some kind of accident. :-)
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Hanners needs to find love... if she's even capable of that.
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What makes you say that?
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She's human.
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What makes you say that?
If she did find someone to be with I just figured her OCD would hinder a lot of things like touching, kissing and dare I say sex? But it would be nice to see her have some sort of love interest.
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Oh god, here come the shippers! Reef the Mainsail, batten down the hatches, turn her into the waves, it's gonna be a rough one!
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None of the QC guys seem like a good match for Hanners right now; her only real shot would be for a new character to step in and sweep her off her feet. Sex is a stretch, since she can't even manage hugging, but hope isn't lost for her on the love front. I'm just kind of hoping Jeph's solution for this doesn't turn out to be for her to meet a guy with OCD. >_>
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doesn't turn out to be for her to meet a guy with OCD. >_>
Jajajaja I thought about it for some weeks ago... But that kind of thing was just too much for me so I thought that it would be ridiculous.
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I'm going to be an annoying shipper and say I always thought Steve and Hanners as a couple would be cute.
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Be weird, considering what a slob he was after the breakup,
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Would it be creepy of me to offer myself up for the role of Hanners Boy Toy? I mean, i wish i could find a 'real world' version of her coz she is actually pretty close to being my dream girl (OCD and all).
Whatever, the only reason i made THAT sugestion is the fact that if Jeph doest end up creating a romantic interest for Hannelore, he is gonna be one messed up dude (aka: ME). Considering how 'strange' she is, having her hook up with a 'normie' aint really feasable.
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Sigh. If anyone is up for being banned for being creepy, it's you.
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Fruillc( or whatever) was still worse.
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I want to hear stories of this person. Detailed stories.
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nah, you don't wanna.
Here's a reason why trollstormur is awesome though
i bet marigold has really crazy '70s bush.
YOU KILLED MY FANTASIES!
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Sigh. If anyone is up for being banned for being creepy, it's you.
Damn... I just got here and already Im making friends :oops:
Meh, story of my life... Wheres a bottle of Vodka when you need one...
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That'll be over in the "YOU'D BETTER NOT BE SOBER" thread.
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out grew her OCD (or something).
The "or something" here has real possibilities. All Jeph has to do is write in a new medication that fixes her completely or almost completely.
A Hannelore with her illness cured would still have the habit of cleaning everything, and would still be socially awkward due to lack of experience. She'd still iin many ways be like an adolescent. She might become unable to keep her business running.
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Sigh. If anyone is up for being banned for being creepy, it's you.
Damn... I just got here and already Im making friends :oops:
Meh, story of my life... Wheres a bottle of Vodka when you need one...
Don't get me wrong, I don't know you. I make it a point to be as polite to people on the internet as I would be to IRL people. I was just saying, creepy comments regarding Hanners have been somewhat out of control for years, and we're trying to reign it in. See this: http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,22450.0.html
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Sigh. If anyone is up for being banned for being creepy, it's you.
Damn... I just got here and already Im making friends :oops:
Meh, story of my life... Wheres a bottle of Vodka when you need one...
WHOA U RINK VODKA DAT IZ SO KEWL DOOOOOODDDDD U R THA COOOLESTT
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Sigh. If anyone is up for being banned for being creepy, it's you.
Damn... I just got here and already Im making friends :oops:
Meh, story of my life... Wheres a bottle of Vodka when you need one...
Don't get me wrong, I don't know you. I make it a point to be as polite to people on the internet as I would be to IRL people. I was just saying, creepy comments regarding Hanners have been somewhat out of control for years, and we're trying to reign it in. See this: http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,22450.0.html
Point very much taken, I had no real desire to portry that sort of image. Hanners is cute for a fictional character and all, but she is just that, a FICTIONAL character. All i really meant to say is that if by some fluke there was someone LIKE her in the real worls then the OCD would not be an issue to me. I guess i can understand if that wasnt clear however. I was operating on very little sleep at the time. The only thing i can think to add is that i am as interested as anyone else to see how the Hannelore character is developed from here, and that (in my singular opinion) she, if she ended up meeting anyone at all, would most likely 'hook up' with someone who was similarly... err... 'messed up'.
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to be the millionth person to say this, you don't grow out of a mental disorder ever. buuuuut, i would like to see her continue to manage her ocd (she is doing fairly well these days.) she is becoming more and more of a three-dimensional character, rather than just 'ocd girl'.
seeing her find someone would be lovely, but improbable.
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to be the millionth person to say this, you don't grow out of a mental disorder ever. buuuuut, i would like to see her continue to manage her ocd (she is doing fairly well these days.) she is becoming more and more of a three-dimensional character, rather than just 'ocd girl'.
seeing her find someone would be lovely, but improbable.
Incase you don't know how to read, I think we've settled the 'You don't grow out of OCD'
When i said 'Grow out of it' I only meant that as a hypothetical situation. So don't take it offensively or anything. - Anyway I guess most of you are right, I mean she has improved, as Is it cold in here? suggested.
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To me, when Hanners was first introduced, she seemed, so unlike herself. To be perfectly honest, it's nice to see a fictional character coping with a mental disorder.
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considering she's an annoying and awkward character, but i guess when it comes to comics you always need a mental character.. :|
How is she annoying? She has a mental disorder, that would hardly qualify her as annoying. She has quirks, it's what makes her interesting. I like it, personally.
I never meant it as an insult, I have a mental disorder. It's just how she always seems to be a bottom-feeder, so far from what i have read 636 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=636) she seems to be one of those offset secondary characters. But i could be wrong. I haven't read the entire comic. This is just my subsumption so far.
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I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome years ago, but you'd hardly know it now.
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I don't think two mentally unstable people make for the healthiest of relationships. I'm not saying they never work, I'm just saying they're not exactly healthy.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't know you. I make it a point to be as polite to people on the internet as I would be to IRL people. I was just saying, creepy comments regarding Hanners have been somewhat out of control for years, and we're trying to reign it in. See this: http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,22450.0.html
Point very much taken, I had no real desire to portry that sort of image. Hanners is cute for a fictional character and all, but she is just that, a FICTIONAL character. All i really meant to say is that if by some fluke there was someone LIKE her in the real worls then the OCD would not be an issue to me. I guess i can understand if that wasnt clear however. I was operating on very little sleep at the time. The only thing i can think to add is that i am as interested as anyone else to see how the Hannelore character is developed from here, and that (in my singular opinion) she, if she ended up meeting anyone at all, would most likely 'hook up' with someone who was similarly... err... 'messed up'.
You are so hilariously bad at the internet. I have never seen more typical excuses for Bad Posting used by one person. "I WAS OPERATING ON VERY LITTLE SLEEP AT THE TIME" haha oh wow.
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I don't think two mentally unstable people make for the healthiest of relationships. I'm not saying they never work, I'm just saying they're not exactly healthy.
I vouch for this from personal experience. Twice.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't know you. I make it a point to be as polite to people on the internet as I would be to IRL people. I was just saying, creepy comments regarding Hanners have been somewhat out of control for years, and we're trying to reign it in. See this: http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,22450.0.html
Point very much taken, I had no real desire to portry that sort of image. Hanners is cute for a fictional character and all, but she is just that, a FICTIONAL character. All i really meant to say is that if by some fluke there was someone LIKE her in the real worls then the OCD would not be an issue to me. I guess i can understand if that wasnt clear however. I was operating on very little sleep at the time. The only thing i can think to add is that i am as interested as anyone else to see how the Hannelore character is developed from here, and that (in my singular opinion) she, if she ended up meeting anyone at all, would most likely 'hook up' with someone who was similarly... err... 'messed up'.
You are so hilariously bad at the internet. I have never seen more typical excuses for Bad Posting used by one person. "I WAS OPERATING ON VERY LITTLE SLEEP AT THE TIME" haha oh wow.
I often use the "I was drunk" excuse. But I've learned to not post while drunk. At least not much.
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Friends don't let friends drunk text.
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I don't think two mentally unstable people make for the healthiest of relationships. I'm not saying they never work, I'm just saying they're not exactly healthy.
I vouch for this from personal experience. Twice.
12 years of personal experience and still going over my way. Co-dependent as all fuck, but it seems to work pretty well for us.
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Codependency is good, believe it or not. Hell, It's normal for every couple.
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It's really not. If you're just reading it as depending on each other, then that can be normal and healthy, but that's not what people usually mean when they say "codependent." Codependency describes a series of unhealthy, maladaptive compulsions developed by those in long-lasting family relationships which are under constant stress (from chemical dependence, poor mental health, abuse, etc.).
A need to control every situation, a tendency to martyr one's self in order to solve a problem, creating personal emotional crisis as an attention seeking device, and compulsively seeking out unhealthy relationships even after the original unhealthy relationship has ended are all compulsions relating to codependency.
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I'd like to see her find ways to work around her mental disorder.
Like... if her OCD prevents her from having sex for fear of skin contact and exchange of fluids, maybe she could wear a latex suit or something during sex?
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I think a latex fetish strip is what everyone wants right now.
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Then everybody is allergic to latex and hilarity ensues.
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Her alcohol use is a workaround.
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I'd like to see her find ways to work around her mental disorder.
Like... if her OCD prevents her from having sex for fear of skin contact and exchange of fluids, maybe she could wear a latex suit or something during sex?
Kinky as that sounds, I was thinking that her feminine wiles could possibly overpower her OCD for a moment of hot passion.
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I wouldn't wish that on her. What would it be like for her when the madness of passion abated and the situation sank in?
Anyway she has some growing up to do before getting into that serious a relationship. She's legally and economically an adult, but emotionally still in adolescence.
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She seems to support herself just fine. Well, except she has a dream job doing something she loves to do, and has (literally) astronomically rich parents who seem willing to help her at the drop of a hat, so I don't know how much that counts for.
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I'm normally one to let out a long sigh at people who complain about creepy posts. In most cases they post a huge overreaction to something usually light-hearted that's bound to occur when you have a comic centered around female characters drawn in a somewhat sexualised way and with a lot of sexual content in the strips. However, with Hannelore it's really this...
She's legally and economically an adult, but emotionally still in adolescence.
...that I agree with. She might as well be a child, really.
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How is she still a child?
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How is she still a child?
I actually agree, she is more than inteligent enough to have a reasonable idea of what she is 'missing out on' due to her issues. Its just the fact that that knowledge is not enough to make her capable of overcoming those issues.
She does seem to be working on it though, its a process...
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I dunno. Hannelore has her issues, and her being in a relationship *at this point* would be kinda creepy, but I think it's unfair for her to be called a child. She's much more mature than, say, Aerie from BG2, yet Aerie gets romancin'. Then again, Bioware has a fetish for Elvish Priestesses.
That said, I might be able to accept a Hannelore romance after, say, 400 or so more strips, IF she happens to make progress of some kind. As has been pointed out, OCD isn't something you can *cure*, but she might be able to get to a point where she could handle basic human contact, thanks to friends, etc. I mean, hell, she was drinking from a communal keg at the drunken sledding party.
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How is she still a child?
I cling to "adolescent" myself, but the answer to your question is that she has big eyes, cries at the drop of a hat, is missing some skills like introducing herself that people usually learn in childhood, and doesn't know much about how the world works.
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Your argument is flawed.
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Where are the flaws in eir argument? That's pretty much what defines one's mental age.
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but the answer to your question is that she has big eyes
Big eyes define a mental age?
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Being drawn with big eyes means you're being portrayed as childlike. That's all I meant.
Mental age? Draw a distinction between the intellectual and the emotional sides of the mind. Hannelore has a cultivated and vigorous adult intellect but she can still be influenced by stories about how a Worry Hat works.
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I understand that mental age =/= intelligence
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She's funnier now than she'd be if the strip took her problems more seriously. I'd object to the whole OCD-as-joke thing, given the horrible consequences of OCD in the real-world... but, from a certain distanced perspective, OCD really is kinda funny.
This guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, 'Doc, my brother's crazy, he thinks he's a chicken.' And the doctor says, 'Well why don't you turn him in?' and the guy says, 'I would, but I need the eggs.'
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I understand that mental age =/= intelligence
That isn't always true.
see also: every kid genius ever
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It It Cold In Here? and Delirium pretty much cover my reasons for seeing her as childlike.
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I agree with Dora in #801: it's possible to be sympathetic and laugh at the same time.
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I understand that mental age =/= intelligence
That isn't always true.
see also: every kid genius ever
Perhaps you misunderstood me. What I said was that mental age does not equal intelligence. that's what =/= means.
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Yeah I did, whoops. Don't post late at night kids, you'll look like an idiot.
(http://thegurglingcod.typepad.com/thegurglingcod/images/2008/02/12/the_more_you_know2.jpg)
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i have severe social phobias which tend to prevent me from being good at social situations (i can barely talk on the phone with most people, and i have trouble introducing myself), but i am responsible and i think i am more adult than child. hannelore is just sensitive and shy, which are qualities a child may have but she is still responsible enough to live on her own, have a social life, etc.
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Well, who can you talk comfortably with? It might not be severe social phobia so much as it is a slightly higher level of discomfort around people you don't know. I've seen it happen with a lot of people and it doesn't hinder their lives in a severe way, it just makes them approach their social situations differently. They're definitely at a disadvantage in group outings, though.
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close friends. which is a group of about five to ten people. i would admit its probably more discomfort around social situations than phobia.
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That sounds similar to a lot of people I know, including myself. I talk to people that somehow catch my interest or intrigue me. But if a disinteresting but decent person walks up to me and wants to chat, I wouldn't refuse them a pleasant conversation.
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Would it be creepy of me to offer myself up for the role of Hanners Boy Toy? I mean, i wish i could find a 'real world' version of her coz she is actually pretty close to being my dream girl (OCD and all).
Whatever, the only reason i made THAT sugestion is the fact that if Jeph doest end up creating a romantic interest for Hannelore, he is gonna be one messed up dude (aka: ME). Considering how 'strange' she is, having her hook up with a 'normie' aint really feasable.
OH NO YOU DON'T!!!
I SHOULD BE HANNERS Boy Friend. NOT YOU.
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Oh god... another one... That was my first post ever, and it was badly mis-worded (i may have had a hangover at the time).
Methinks the Mods may be bringing the bad stick out of retirement...
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Maybe this will also end up being a regretable first post for me...but has anyone ever considered a Hannelore/Marigold relationship? I know Marigold's all weird and unbathed right now, but that could change! Neither of them have definitively stated their sexual preferences. I just think it would be interesting. Any thoughts?
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Maybe this will also end up being a regretable first post for me...
Any thoughts?
Quit while you're ahead.
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This subforum is creepy.
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The best way to learn something is to teach it. What if Hannelore, in the process of becoming BFFs with Marigold, improves her own social skills by drawing Marigold out?
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Maybe this will also end up being a regretable first post for me...but has anyone ever considered a Hannelore/Marigold relationship? I know Marigold's all weird and unbathed right now, but that could change! Neither of them have definitively stated their sexual preferences. I just think it would be interesting. Any thoughts?
why am I thinking that this is a good idea?
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As a WAG, are you really, really high right now? Or perhaps you've had a bad fall recently.
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I think Hanners explicit like for firemen, EMTs, and vetanarians as well as Mr. CLean does kinda show that she's into dudes. Need I remind everyone of the awesome incident of the "cute boy" looking at her and she tries to smile back? I think Hanners is into dudes. Marigold is the first friend she has ever had to introduce to a group. I think they will become the best of friends.
What I think would be cool right now is if a dude hits on Marigold at the bar. Nothing may come of it but the thought of her blushing and wondering the next day if she should call him or go to a raid is quite funny.
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I think Hanners explicit like for firemen, EMTs, and vetanarians as well as Mr. CLean does kinda show that she's into dudes. Need I remind everyone of the awesome incident of the "cute boy" looking at her and she tries to smile back? I think Hanners is into dudes. Marigold is the first friend she has ever had to introduce to a group. I think they will become the best of friends.
great point! whereas, if a person is into the same gender, or is into both, it is totally mentioned. i.e. dora's bisexualism, tai's lesbianism, marten's ex-boss.
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Not to mention the fact that, even if estimates as high as 10% of the population being LGBT are correct, both Hanners and Marigold being lesbian or bisexual would totally skew the ratio: you would be left with Sven, Wil, Penelope, Marten, Faye, and Steve as purely heterosexual along with Dora, Tai, Raven, Marigold, Hannelore, Faye's sister, and Marten's former boss being gay/bisexual. That would leave you with a cast more bi/homosexual than heterosexual, which would be highly unusual for a comic not explicitly about LGBT life.
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Dude, it's Massecheusets. (absolutely sure I spelled it wrong)
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Massachusetts
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I live in Massachusetts. There might be a higher percentage than elsewhere, but it's not more than 50%. It's not more than 10%, if that.
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Keep in mind that they're a bunch of non- or barely-religious 20-somethings living near the Smif campus. Anyways, it's not out of the ordinary to draw a circle of friends with a significant number of LGBTs completely by chance. See: my high school life.
Anyways, Marten is NOT completely heterosexual. He expressed non-interest in homo-sex for practical reasons, not those of attraction.
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Based on pure biology that "ten percent rule" is a load of hogwash anyway; various studies indicate that human sexuality is no different that that of any other primate species, in that it tends to fit a bell curve centred around bisexuality; the ten percent of the rule are those people so far to the homosexual end of the curve that they would be really unhappy about heterosexual sex and therefore self-identify as gay. The rest tend to identify as heterosexual on account of various societies' prejudices against homo- and bi-sexuality. I wold not be at all surprised if the recorded incidence rat of "gays" continued to rise as the legal and societal taboos fade.
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Marten has preempted emotional contact with Steve, unless he was joking: "You can have my shoulder to cry on, but I'm takin' it back the minute you progress to the homoerotic "I love you, man. I LOVE you!" stage" (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=716). In 477, he was eager not to see Steve naked.
Now, to be a good citizen I should relate this back to Hannelore. Even as easily squicked as she is, she's comfortable with yaoi and gay people, and somehow avoided going catatonic even when Tai was hitting on her.
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and, as far as marigold x hanners goes, marigold posted yesterday via twitter @pintsize "i'm not into girl on girl"
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She seems to be clearly into boy on boy.
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Based on pure biology that "ten percent rule" is a load of hogwash anyway; various studies indicate that human sexuality is no different that that of any other primate species, in that it tends to fit a bell curve centred around bisexuality; the ten percent of the rule are those people so far to the homosexual end of the curve that they would be really unhappy about heterosexual sex and therefore self-identify as gay. The rest tend to identify as heterosexual on account of various societies' prejudices against homo- and bi-sexuality. I wold not be at all surprised if the recorded incidence rat of "gays" continued to rise as the legal and societal taboos fade.
I think you're more or less wrong. Based on psychological profiling, the majority of people fit the "primarily heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual" mold. 100% pure heterosexuality is about as rare as 100% homosexuality, and a perfect or near-perfect bisexual is also rare. Besides which, the mating drive would dictate a more common preference for the opposite sex.
And human sexuality is rarely, if ever, a question of "pure biology." Even if, as you suggest, the vast majority of people are bisexual or near it, the fact is that the comic is set in modern America, even if in a socially liberal area. The odds of more than 50% of the town of Northampton's young adults being homo-or-bisexual in a random sampling are probably not so good.
And even given the all-female college, the odds would not necessarily skyrocket. As we have already seen with Ellen, Natasha, and the girl who asked out Marten, they are not all lesbians or bisexual, which would honestly reflect more of a late night Skinemax vibe than I think Jeph wants.
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Hanners at least isn't Homosexual, given the various accounts of her showing interest in guys, i.e. asking Pintsize for pictures of men, the guy she saw in the bar, and the interest in yaoi, which involves 2 guys.
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Friends don't let friends drunk text.
Sure they do, that's what textsfromlastnight.com is for!
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Friends don't let friends drunk text.
Sure they do, that's what textsfromlastnight.com is for!
OH
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I sort of understand where you're coming from with the whole Hannelore Marigold thing but like Is it cold in here? and LeeC I think it's a relationship based more on friendship. They're both socially awkward characters that have a lot they could learn from each. I can easily see them filling certain aspects of a relationship for each and maybe that will help one or both of them move a step closer to an actual relationship.
Plus, it takes the whole Odd Couple stereotype to a new extreme.
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and LeeC I think it's a relationship based more on friendship.
Thats what I thought I was saying. :-P
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Not to mention the fact that, even if estimates as high as 10% of the population being LGBT are correct, both Hanners and Marigold being lesbian or bisexual would totally skew the ratio: you would be left with Sven, Wil, Penelope, Marten, Faye, and Steve as purely heterosexual along with Dora, Tai, Raven, Marigold, Hannelore, Faye's sister, and Marten's former boss being gay/bisexual. That would leave you with a cast more bi/homosexual than heterosexual, which would be highly unusual for a comic not explicitly about LGBT life.
You're forgetting that Marten's dad is gay too.
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True, although he never appeared on-screen.
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True, although he never appeared on-screen.
hes a hypothedical character like James Bond or Micheal Jackson.
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Only skimmed through most of the replies in this post so bare (or bear?) with me...
Hanners IS getting a lot better as far as her OCD is concerned and is shown in a few strips to have accepted an arm-around-the-shoulder hug from at least Marten (I'm working from memory here) and has recently contributed that it's because of her friends that she is more tolerant.
She intellectually understands whats going on with her, knows the physics of relationships and sex, would LIKE to be able to have a boyfriend (I think she mentioned that once around the robo-boyfriend arc) but can't control her reactions towards her phobia of germs and viruses. She's not 'emotionally' childish at all and has thought a lot about what her friends mean to her (with her discussions with Marigold) and how she would like more, but she's readily accepted that she's no way at all prepared for one because of her OCD. This is unlike Faye who is emotionally unprepared for a relationship - although getting slowly better - but more of a mental unprepareness.
I'm not an expert in psycology or anything, but that's my 2 cents :)
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Awesome post workingrobbie. I agree with you 100% I dont know what gets these "shippers" to get all crazy with the mari-hanners thing. Dont see it happening. I actually could see Hanners at least trying to get a dude but it would be on accident and she would be like a dog chasing cars. Wouldnt know what to do when she got one. She has changed a lot since she was first introduced. And I agree whole heartedly that she is aware of her problem and she is not child.
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While I agree that Hanners does exhibit some childlike characteristics and doubt she's currently ready for a relationship, but OCD does not cause mental retardation. She's immature in some ways, yes, but in no ways does that make her a child or incapable of forming/sustaining relationships.
I've got mental issues and some of the things that are being said about Hanners kind of resonate with me. I didn't get involved in my first relationship til I was 20. I wasn't really ready, and when it was over I was pretty upset, but the experience did help me mature some and it taught me a lot about the dynamics of relationships.
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QC would totally lose it's reputation for being that comic with crazy people who have mental problems. Faye, now Hanners, Marten is happy, Steve's talking to that girl who had th hots for Marten, Dora is becoming more self assured, Sven isn't being a manslut, and Marigold is becoming more social. What next, Pintsize gets overwritten and becomes a mindless drone?
I think Hanners should meet somebody like Monk. And they're so damn clean they don't even care. And know how many pubes each other have. Because they're weird.
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I think she'd be very happy with Mr. Clean. But he has no hair to count, so it would be a rocky relationship.
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Awesome post workingrobbie. I agree with you 100% I dont know what gets these "shippers" to get all crazy with the mari-hanners thing. Dont see it happening. I actually could see Hanners at least trying to get a dude but it would be on accident and she would be like a dog chasing cars. Wouldnt know what to do when she got one. She has changed a lot since she was first introduced. And I agree whole heartedly that she is aware of her problem and she is not child.
To be perfectly honest with you, "shippers" get all crazy on these things because it's exactly what they'd like to see. Its just like you saying "Don't see it happening" - they do, so the comment you have made is exactly like them suggesting the ship in the first place. We all have our opinions, you've just got a differing one from them. But that doesn't mean you have to look down on others about it.
I don't believe that Hanners is psychologically ready for a relationship just now. She is still getting used to doing friend things and dealing with that kind of physical contact at the moment and it would be only hurtful to her or both parties if she got into something.
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I think she'd be very happy with Mr. Clean. But he has no hair to count, so it would be a rocky relationship.
But hair gathers bacteria and dust and dust mites, so bald is better for her.
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I think she'd be very happy with Mr. Clean. But he has no hair to count, so it would be a rocky relationship.
But hair gathers bacteria and dust and dust mites, so bald is better for her.
Was this mentioned in a previous comic and that's why she shaves downstairs?
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Remember how she reacted to the Wikipedia article about head lice.
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I wonder how long it will be until http://dreamingofkittens.com starts showing up in her Twitter feed.
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I think she'd be very happy with Mr. Clean. But he has no hair to count, so it would be a rocky relationship.
But hair gathers bacteria and dust and dust mites, so bald is better for her.
Was this mentioned in a previous comic and that's why she shaves downstairs?
I don't remember anything ever mentioned in the strip that has to do with Hanners "shaving downstairs". Am I forgetting something?
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633. Though I wouldn't put it past Hanners to have taken Dora literally, we know her apartment is carpeted.
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If she outgrew her OCD she would be quite interesting. It would be better if she were to go back on her meds or we saw her at some of her therapy sessions. I really miss the direction her character was headed when she was first introduced. She might have more friends now but now she is so, boring. I really want to see what will happen when she finally loses her virginity or what happens when we meet her father on the strip.
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Remember how she reacted to the Wikipedia article about head lice.
And steve's beard. What a freakout!
(yes, I'm bearded).
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If she outgrew her OCD she would be quite interesting. It would be better if she were to go back on her meds or we saw her at some of her therapy sessions. I really miss the direction her character was headed when she was first introduced. She might have more friends now but now she is so, boring. I really want to see what will happen when she finally loses her virginity or what happens when we meet her father on the strip.
de-flanderized Hanners would be awesome to see again. The OCD gags were nice for a while, but I'd like to see some variety.
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What role would she play if not in the "OCD Chick" role?
She could be the smart but naive one, or the rich but unpretentious one. But so far her character has been defined by the dialectic between her illness and her struggle against it.
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blah blah I should make a reference to the book "Kissing doorknobs" which was awesome blah
Nor do I think Jeph, as someone who suffers from OCD himself
WAAATTTT.
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You wern't aware? Jeph has (comparitively mild) OCD, and (was at least at one point, not sure now tho) on medication for anxiety or some such.
Jeph, I feel your pain, i may not be 'officialy diagnosed' but i know i gots my issues, i mean yesterday i had a mild panic attack coz it was windy and i kept getting dust in my face... NOT FUN!
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I'd be kinda sad if Hanners changed too much. She's my favorite character. ^_^
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Jeph's too, as of the last time someone asked him.
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I really want to see what will happen when she finally loses her virginity or what happens when we meet her father on the strip.
Agreed. I don't know if it is creepy or not, but I would like to see her reaction to sex...but not with how she is now. I think that that would be too much for her.
Well...Hanners is my favorite character, but I agree that her OCD should be toned down a little. It can be severe without being too overpowering. One thing I don't want to change, however, is naivety ( That's a word...right? ._. ). For me at least, that's the biggest part of her charm.
As for a relationship...well, I'd have to admit that I think that Marten and Hanners should be together. I think it might be able to work out with lots of tweaking. For instance, stronger medication for Hanners and lots of patience for Marten ( As if he didn't have that already :wink: )
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I'd have to admit that I think that Marten and Hanners should be together.
That is almost worse than the Marigold/Hanners idea. My goodness.
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Hannelore's childlike naivete is cute, but it would be horrible to have a child who never grew up. Let's enjoy this stage of her life while it lasts, and root for her to become savvier.
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I agree. She's been stuck in the same state of mind for too long, she should have at least made some progress. Though, I suppose she is becoming more sociable, what with the whole Marigold thing.
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She has made progress though, and at a believable rate. Remember when her shrink had to squirt her with a water pistol to make her stop alphabetizing the shrink's bookshelves? Or compare her problems approaching Marten to her willingness, admittedly with Momo-tan's help, to make friends with Marigold.
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I'm impressed by how little she freaked out at the "lez out" reference. A few months back she would've ran out of there screaming and disappeared in her apartment for a few months.
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I'm impressed by how little she freaked out at the "lez out" reference. A few months back she would've ran out of there screaming and disappeared in her apartment for a few months.
what would have been cuter is if she had giggled.
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Hanners does not work that way! [/fight against windmills]
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Didn't she giggle at Sven's come-hither look?
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Yes she did. Sheen! (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1078) :laugh:
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She didn't giggle, she snrked and then guffawed.
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Looking at the strip again, I have to agree.
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Doesn't count, Sven's aim was off. Come hither looks aimed at other people tend to look silly!
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In other words, she found his 'come hither' look to be amusing, which I think was point?
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That look has no body fluids involved.
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Actually, smarm is 99% moist.
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the other 1% is equal parts insincerety and charm...
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Hannelore's OCD is functional, which basically comes down to she can do most things as long as she doesn't have to think about it. That comes in part from her having a social life; the fact is that because she has a lot of support from friends, she doesn't focus on the OCD as much. The more isolated a person with a mental disorder is, the more magnified the symptoms are; that's why mental hospitals are primarily group settings. So, she's a lot better than she was before. But, don't mistake functional OCD as cured, or even well-managed. All it would take is for stress to kick into her life and her OCD would likely jump back into overdrive.
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It's easier to do something if you've done it before. Hannelore's practice at being functional won't prevail against a brain chemistry storm, but it will help her in the future.
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This might be a strange question but looking at it a certain way Hannelore is also somewhat dependant on her OCD or at the very least it is a part of how she supports herself (cash infusions from her mother notwithstanding). Overcoming her OCD isn't a matter of somehow repressing it, she has to be able to harness and control it so that it doesn't dominate chunks of her life. But due to how much of it is kind of depended on it does sort of change how she'd overcome it. (former psyche major talking here) That might also be one of her biggest stumbling blocks, it would be like a manic depressive writer who tends to do their best work during shifts in that cycle finding that they can't produce anything as good when medically stabilized.
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Most bipolar people will tell you that they do their best work in their up cycles. To outside observers, it's usually incomprehensible and full of seriously rash decisions that don't work out.
It's when the outside world agrees that your best work is in your swings that causes problems. Witness Hazel in GWS (http://www.daniellecorsetto.com/GWS053.html)
As for OCD, management is usually the best you can hope for, whiich is the case for most psychological problems. Sufferers will tell you, they're never cured, it's a matter of coping. Depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, alchololism, they never "go away", but they can be managed, sometimes with medicinal help, sometimes with other therapies, usually with a lot of support from family and friends. The recent increase of dependence on meds over the last 20 years or so has lead to the myth of a cure. Even Freud and Jung knew better!
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Most bipolar people will tell you that they do their best work in their up cycles. To outside observers, it's usually incomprehensible and full of seriously rash decisions that don't work out.
What he said.