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Fun Stuff => CHATTER => Topic started by: iamiam on 17 Aug 2009, 06:42
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Okay so it seems like it's pretty much come down to NYC or San Fran as options for the next con. So let's just stop arguing and go ahead and decide.
Please ONLY VOTE IF:
1) You are at least almost definitely going to come to the con and
2) The location is actually going to be the deciding factor in whether or not you are going to come.
If you are on the fence about coming (or not planning to come at all) or you are willing to come out wherever the con may be, please DO NOT VOTE. The whole point of this poll is to find out which city will be easiest for the most amount of people to attend.
PS i was torn about adding DC as an option, but i figured most of the people who were interested in DC were also interested in NYC, and it would be easier to just narrow it down to two options. if enough people have a giant problem with it, i guess i will add it to the poll, but just remember that this isn't the last con ever. there is always the next year!
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I am abstaining because the location does not matter to me. Choose wisely, dudes.
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Why San Francisco? The poll we did didn't even have San Francisco finishing in the top three of the choices we had. Shouldn't it be down to NYC or DC in terms of amount of people that can attend, or did a couple people in meebo just arbitrarily pick the the two they liked most?
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because the argument seems to have come down to 'west coast vs east coast', with san fran being pitched as the west coast city. like i said, most of the people arguing for DC mentioned it as a preference over NYC rather than it actually being a deciding factor for whether they will come or not. i figured it would be easier to just eliminate it rather than dragging this out even longer.
PS san francisco was tied with austin for 3rd place. if there are enough people who could only make it to austin, but not san fran, i'll add it to the poll. but again, i'd rather just keep it to two options and get this over with.
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Because NYCon vs SanFranciscon sounds a lot better than EAST SIDE VS WEST SIDE: SHOW YOUR TRUE COLORS.
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If it's boiling down to East Coast Vs. West Coast, why not just specifically ask that? I'm not trying to be a picky douche here, this is an entirely serious inquiry and a good chunk Devil's Advocate (As personally, NYC would be much easier for me to get to, especially for just a weekend). Going off the initial thread, it seemed like a good chunk of people interested in an East Coast meet up were more inclined to do DC, as NYC is a lot of "Been there, done that" to a lot of the people who tend to make it to these events. I actually have to say, having been to both, I think DC would be MUCH better suited for the general idea of these meetups from what I've seen as an outsider. NYC is really expensive, whereas one can see most of the best stuff DC has to offer on the cheap. Personally, if I was on the West Coast and had to pay for an expensive plane ride out here, I'd want the city than can be experienced on the cheap.
This is close to a year off either way, it's not like we have to have a mad dash to get it narrowed down immediately. Why not just narrow it down steadily, rather than jumping to two cities? See who could make west, who could make east and maybe go from there?
For the record, if the majority wants to stick to these two cities, I'd vote NYC. Circumstantially, the only way I'd make a West coast meetup is if it fell in a very specific timeframe in August, since my brother's going out there anyway and it wouldn't be too much effort to tag along. Not to mention, I've been unemployed for close to seven months now and have nearly given up on finding a job that would give me opportunity to save up enough money to travel to and spend a week in San Fran (And I sure as shit would not fly cross country just to stay for the weekend). Conversely, NYC is a four hour bus ride of less than $20 for me and I can't imagine a reason not to make it short of death in the family or it being scheduled opposite something I absolutely cannot miss.
ETA: Or, what about the consideration of concurrent meetups? Before someone jumps in and makes the claim that would water both down (I remember that being a complaint when we were talking Boston/SanFran earlier this year), Boston was an absolute fucking blast, even though it was only six forumites and a half dozen of my local friends (Also on that line of thought, I assume Camp Eed was a blast with only a relative handful of attendees) and having a Skype set up with a concurrent meetup in SanFran would've been pretty bitchin'. Given, I'd only state this as a potential consideration should the ratio of East Vs. West get closer to 50/50 rather than the current 9:1 ratio.
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Eh. Go to NYC. Whatever, I can't afford next year unless it's in Austin really anyway. I'd love to do SF and would try to finagle that if I could, but NYC is right out for me. Too expensive of a city, too far away, not that interesting.
And I think the people who are gung-ho for DC don't really understand the Con too much since they keep talking about museums and stuff.
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This should be easy really based on facebook statuses I kept seeing during Chicagocon.
Which city has the best hot dogs?
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We already did a Boston meetup.
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I'd really rather go to San Francisco, because it seems like there a lot of boarders who are local to Cali that could only make it if it's held out there, whereas it seems at least from what I've read so far that a lot of the East-Coasters would be attending anyway, regardless of where the con is held.
Plus I was born there, plus I would be more likely to get people I know to come with me. I know lots of gays.
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New idea inspired by Jens:
Buscon 2010. All the foreigners fly into JFK and spend a weekend in NYC. We then all hop on the same BoltBus and ride down to DC to look at monuments.
I am at least 53% serious. NYC to DC is less than five hours on a bus and round trip is under $100. This idea's got legs, folks.
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I would not do that. I can't afford the vacation time for a week with the internet.
I can't afford to fly out west next year as I plan to move and apartments/furnishings are expensive, yo. I'm up for an east cost, cheap-ish thing.
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Okay, so we have the people who would go no matter where it is that are supposed to not vote, the people who can't afford to go unless it's on the east coast, and the people who can't afford to go unless it's on the west coast. I think we can all agree that NY, DC, and SF all have rad things to offer and we'd all have fun no matter where we end up. I've been to both NYC and SF a lot of times and they're both expensive cities, so I think we're just debating between the cost of getting there because the money we'd spend at either place would be about the same.
2008 was in Toronto, 2009 was in Chicago, which are both within reasonable driving distance from most of the midwest and northeast states. This makes it pretty easy for some and really hard for others to get there. Having the next con in NYC or DC would be making it easy for the same group and making it hard yet again for the rest. So I vote for SF in 2010 and then you guys can have it back in your half in 2011. Also we can't make it to NYC in July/August anyway, money isn't the issue but no way will we both be able to get enough time off of work to justify flying all the way out there.
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Buscon 2010. All the foreigners fly into JFK and spend a weekend in NYC. We then all hop on the same BoltBus and ride down to DC to look at monuments.
i would do this.
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I would too. A lot.
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I'll see you guys in New York
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Eh, just count me out, I guess.
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Didn't realize there was a genuine remove vote option when I posted. Oops.
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I'm down with a NYCon. I definitely couldn't make a SF one, and almost certainly could make a NY one.
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I'll see you guys in New York
I am going to try and go to nyc next year regardless so uh. Yeah.
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if you guys did buscon i'd probably hang with you kids in DC. i probably woudn't go up to NY though.
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yeah i think buscon is a wicked idea and would be much better than simply nycon or dcon because that way the people who do want to only see one city and not both still have that option and the people who want to see both can see both and everyone who wants to go to a northeast meetup ends up pretty happy. i'm pretty sure if a meetup in nyc is what ends up happening there are going to be at least a few people who will plan a trip to dc as well now that we know the trip will be cheap and there's been so much discussion and excitement about it (jon, jens, allison, myself, maybe others?), so we might as well operate on the assumption that an nyc meetup will actually be a trip to both nyc and dc respectively and then whoever wants to show up to each one can.
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Being as I'm between both NYC and D.C., Buscon sounds like the freaking plan for me. There's a really good chance I can go to NYC for a weekend, and if by some off chance I can't go D.C. is only about 45 minutes away and I can stop and grab people like Sean on the way down to visit the other forumites. In fact I think this might bring some of us Marylanders out of the woodwork just because we've never bothered to organize our own meetup, and it'd be much easier to latch on to the main one.
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There is no way I'd be able to save enough money to go out to SF, so I'm voting for NY. (Unless I actually do save a shit ton of money, which is severely unlikely, I'd rather go to Europe.) Sorry Cali people.
Buscon does sound fun, but I dunno if I'd be able to do it.
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I am all over BusCon like the rash I would probably get from riding in the bus.
And I think the people who are gung-ho for DC don't really understand the Con too much since they keep talking about museums and stuff.
Huh? I thought that was people generally did at these things? They went to interesting places and had hijinks. I'm pretty sure there are hella hijinks to be had at the flippin' Smithsonian. And even museums et. al. is not something that was done at other cons, then who says that it has to be that way in perpetuity for every Con?
I did not vote because I'll go wherever the Internet tells me to.
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i hate to shit on everyone's sundae but buscon sounds kind of like a really great way to try and coordinate 20 people to miss a lot of not one but two great cities
e: like, it looks really great on paper but logistically it will probably be a total nightmare
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I sort of agree with Johnny. I think a buscon should just amount to "Hey we are having a con in NYC. However, a bunch of us want to also do DC. We will go see DC afterward with our extended time to do so, before or after the con." I guess this is similar to the whole Camp Edith thing this year.
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So how about we just say that the actual con is in NYC for however many days, and anyone that wants to can join NYCon Part 2: DCon at the end of it? You find your own way there, be it bus, train, rental car, whatever. We set up a final time to be there and a place to meet and see what happens.
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The bus should go to West Baltimore instead.
Natural Police Con.
Ace of Cakes Con, please.
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San Francisco is obviously the easier choice for me due to its closeness. If it was in NYC, I would still love to go, but since I plan to go to the Chicago 2010 PRFBBQ, there may only be room for one extravagant plane trip for me next summer.
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I'm going to agree with the idjits up here. Chicagocon was great but getting everyone on the same page was relatively time-consuming, especially when getting EVERYBODY from the residence to transit.
And I think the people who are gung-ho for DC don't really understand the Con too much since they keep talking about museums and stuff.
Huh? I thought that was people generally did at these things? They went to interesting places and had hijinks. I'm pretty sure there are hella hijinks to be had at the flippin' Smithsonian. And even museums et. al. is not something that was done at other cons, then who says that it has to be that way in perpetuity for every Con?
What Jordan was referring to was comments in the other thread by DCers about how it was nigh-impossible to get into the DC museums in the Summertime on account of how everybody and their family goes on trips to see them during that time. And as far as I know there's really not much else in DC besides the monuments and the museums. We could tour sketchy neighborhoods!
Also, what's the state of public transport in DC?
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EAST SIDE VS WEST SIDE: SHOW YOUR TRUE COLORS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne0RrK5qJ-k&feature=related)
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D.C has a complete metro system, that's far cleaner than any other I've ever seen. It is quite extensive and can get you from the mall to anywhere else in town, one even goes out to Arlington Cemetery.
As for other things to do besides museums ,which from my experience of going to don't get as crowded as you guys say they do, I mean yeah theres a lot of people but there are so many museums that only the absolute major ones get hard to deal with. For instance the Museum of African Art is mostly underground, pretty big and very nice, but its literally like a tiny structure above ground in another museums garden.
There are also bars, many many choices for music and concerts, great dining, the muthafuckin' ZOO, and its only an hour or so away from like several great amusement parks. There are also plenty of shopping districts and whatnot.
For people asking about Baltimore, there is a joke that everyone driving for the first time in the city of Baltimore will inevitably get lost in the projects at least once. There is lots and lots and lots of drinking, music, and comedy acts in the inner Harbor and Fells point. Also many places to get crabcakes and Old Bay and whatnot if you give a damn about stuff. There is also an overpriced Aquarium, that I suppose is okay (though I think the building is ugly as hell on the inside). And boat stuff. I mean there's even some sort of like party hosting thing where you're on a pirate ship where all the crew stay in character.
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The only real problem with DC metro is how fucking expensive it is and how it can sometimes be incredibly unreliable (this summer for obvious reasons)
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(this summer for obvious reasons)
what are the obvious reasons, i'm not American
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Obama was having the trains rebuilt so they could combine to form Voltron.
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See? Obama wants a Pokecon, too. Listen to our president!
Edit: I was confusing Voltron for Voltorb. Silly me! Nevermind!
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Voltron=/=pokemans
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also i remember reading a while back that barack obama's favourite television show is actually the wire and not pokemon but i think i'd still rather visit new york over baltimore
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(this summer for obvious reasons)
what are the obvious reasons, i'm not American
oh sorry bout that, i know it made american news and shit but yeah you would have no reason to have heard about this. late june there was a really nasty metro crash and a bunch of people died and everything. a bunch of signals on the metro system were busted so they've been spending the summer fixing them which made LOTS AND LOTS of delays. apparently theres even worse delays now, but im not around so i dont know.
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No one mentioned Detroit? Nice and central. Cheap. Has awesome urban exploration.
And Robocop??!?
I voted for NYC, though. EAST SIDE BOY-EEEEEEE
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are you being serious about detroit? i can't tell.
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I'm not going to Detroit.
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Yeah I totally did Detroit already.
If by Detroit you mean the airport.
If by did you mean flew into and out of in the space of three hours.
I'd love to have opinions on this topic but I don't think I'll be able to come :( I'm down with EUROCON providing it is UKCON and preferably LONDONCON.
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If by did you mean flew into and out of in the space of three hours.
Pretty sure that is more Detroit than most people want to experience.
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I don't know if I was serious. I mean, I DO love Robocop, but it certainly has a stigma. It has always been a city I've wanted to see, has a lot of history and cool food, and had just come off of reading http://www.viceland.com/int/v16n8/htdocs/something-something-something-detroit-994.php (http://www.viceland.com/int/v16n8/htdocs/something-something-something-detroit-994.php) [I still don't know how to do the textular links, but I saw it in a post somewhere, I will figure it out later :-(]. Made me think "hey, maybe I would love to go there".
Buuuut, I know a lot of people would say:
Yeah I totally did Detroit already.
If by Detroit you mean the airport.
If by did you mean flew into and out of in the space of three hours.
So in conclusion, -shrug-
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Oh hey if you guys are planning on going from NYC to somewhere else I would really prefer that we take a train to Philly (2 hour commute) than buses to DC.
Because in all honesty I could not give less of a fuck about hardcore. It's all about soul.
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i'm giving you 250 words or less to sell philly to me
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I am clearly down for New York.
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NYC makes so much more sense for me.
But then again, I have family/Patrick/Yelley/Jason/Cathy in the Bay Areaish..
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But then again, I have family/Patrick/Yelley/Jason/Cathy in the Bay Areaish..
EXCUSE ME, BITCH.
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DUDE YOU'RE ABROAD RIGHT NOW.
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I may skip this for PAX east coast. Mebbe.
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I could feasibly do both the PRF thing and NYCon, if people are going to go to the barbecue. Megabus to Chicago can be obtained for hella cheap from Minneapolis.
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Tommy, does going to the PRF BBQ make any sense if you don't post on the PRF? I lurk but I never felt quite comfortable enough to post there.
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i'm giving you 250 words or less to sell philly to me
I'll give you 750 extra words -
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/PatsCheesesteak.jpg/300px-PatsCheesesteak.jpg)
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Horrifying neon alien guts on a bun?
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Alright kids, there has been hella debate about this in meebo today. So here's the deal.
Currently the poll sits at 23 for NYC and 14 for San Francisco. And five whiny people that want another city. I would say that 23-14 is a pretty sizeable victory, which means that NYC has come out on top. What I propose, as backed by a few people in Meebo, is that we go ahead and decide to do NYC next year (2010) and let the runner up, San Francisco, be the location for the year after (2011). As it stands, there are a ton of people in New England/East Coast, the midwest, eastern Canada, and Europe that want to attend a con, so New York makes the most sense for next year, given the amount of time to save money. And if we decide right now that 2011 will be San Francisco, anyone that thinks they might want to attend will know to start saving for that as well, so maybe a few Europeans can make a west coast meet-up.
Now, if anyone has strong feelings against this decision and good reasons to back up these feelings, please share. We can talk it over if necessary but really, this seems like the best decision.
Go team go!
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I actually have tentative plans to travel to the US/Canada around the time of your summer in 2011, (basically planning a huge road trip from LA up through Washington State into Canada) so I am defs down with some kind of west coast meetup
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Oh god yes we are doing SFCon in 2011 if only to see Brett FUCK YEAH WE DOING THIS PEOPLE FUCK NYC2010
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i agree with liz that a new york meetup in 2010 and a san francisco meetup in 2011 is probably the best decision as it seems to have the most support from the most people. new york won't be very pricey for me and even though san francisco will be, it's definitely feasible if i have almost two years to put aside funds for it and i think it could be for a lot of other forumites on the east coast as well.
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NYC makes so much more sense for me.
But then again, I have family/Patrick/Yelley/Jason/Cathy in the Bay Areaish..
hey dick, what's your problem
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I'm so glad you guys finally worked this out! Not that I can come to either of them (although... I have family in San Fransisco... hmm, I'll have to think about that one).
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Cool!
I will modify my travel plans accordingly.
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FUCK ALL YALL. GRAND CANCON 2010!
(I'll be trying to save up for NYCon)
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Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and throw my vote in for NYc now, San Fran in '11. I am on board with this. Thank you, have a nice day.
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I am pleased.
Somewhere in the depths of Bushwick, Huda cackles with glee.
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Alright guys, since we've decided on a location (no one seems to be putting up a fight), should we start working on dates for this? I know people are going to want to start watching airfare prices to get a good deal, so we should really work things out a bit in advance.
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When will the PRF BBQ be next year? Have they set a date yet?
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Oh yes, dates please. That would help me immensely. I've got a bit of wiggle room but any earlier than mid-July is very much pushing it for me.
Just so you know, QC, my planning for the first three months of my American trip is kind of hinging on the dates and details of NYCon, e.g; The Lady and I were tentatively planning to do the west coast first, but that has been changed based on the confirmation of NY as the location.
Basically, having a date for NYCon to work with will allow us to lock down a goodly amount of other details for our larger year-or-more-long North American adventure.
No pressure or anything.
(actually it's not really. We were always going to do both coasts, the order wasn't super important.)
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the best way to do this is probably, like the last two cons, to just have the people who have commitments of some kind between may and september 2010 list out the dates they can't make it and then we'll start the process of finding a gap somewhere in between that works for everybody. i'm pretty much good to go anytime next summer except for september and most likely the last week of august too.
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Must be before August 14th. I would say early June, but I will be in Australia, so not paying for Australia is better than not paying for New York.
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I think we need to avoid June because a fair amount of people will still be in school then, unless we have it towards the end like we did with Tronnocon. The same applies to August, a lot of us will be headed back to school mid-month and later. So basically our window is mid-June to mid-August.
The only conflicts I know about right now would be work, but as soon as we set the dates I can ask for the time off.
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Started a separate thread for discussing dates. Gotta keep things nice and neat.