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Fun Stuff => CLIKC => Topic started by: Jimor on 08 Sep 2009, 17:03
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Well, if 5 officers count as a "swarm".
Somebody saw an employee carrying a replica sniper rifle from Halo and called the police. Didn't take long to figure it all out.
http://kotaku.com/5351721/police-swarm-to-bungie-on-weapons-call-during-kotaku-visit
The picture at the bottom shows how close it looks to the "AK-47" the caller ID'd it as. :roll:
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Silly news of the day
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Oh, the replica used from Blomkamp's shorts. The shorts were awesome. If only the game had the same atmosphere. If only.
Also, the caller was probably a granny on a walker going to buy flowers for her garden or whatever the fuck old people do these days (no offense, old people). Well, maybe not. Not surprised, though.
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The funny thing is that it looks very close to this gun (http://www.hgandainc.com/artwork/BarrettModel99.jpg) rather than an AK-47...
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Well, I guess it's an honest mistake for non-gamers, right? It's not like some nutcase is gonna pre-emptively shoot someone carrying a replica. Now, that would be news.
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Great story about that from Simon Pegg (from his appearance on Top Gear):
"When we were doing spaced [Nick Frost] had to dismantle a gun for the show, so he took a replica MP5 home - which is a machine gun... He stripped to the waist, it was summer time and he put a blindfold on and was kind of doing this (mimes disassembling a gun), took the blindfold off to check the watch and there were eight armed police officers in the living room with their guns drawn like, you know. And they made the decision that Nick went like that (reaches forward) as opposed to that that (puts his hands up), which is what he did he did, they were going to shoot him."
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Heard about this one. Going to the farmer's market around 4:20PM. Hmm.
For someone like me, who is interested in guns, this is just painful. If you are into cars, I would want to say it is something like someone mistaking a corvette for a mustang, except it isn't. It is someone mistaking an E-350 for a mustang, or for musicians, a double bass for a ukelele. I understand, most people can't tell an M4 from a hole in the ground, but it is still just ridiculous. This comes to mind:
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_kS3PHf2TqHw/SqXBzcZ1HkI/AAAAAAAACX4/G3nynCDny_8/s800/citizensguidesmall.png)
Doesn't help that media coverage tends to do the same thing. No, I'm not doing the redneck "LIEberal MSM!" BS, I'm doing the "lazy fucks won't do thirty second's worth of fact checking" thing.
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Oh come off it. There are a billion different circumstances where one big gun could be mistaken for another. I mean, sure, you can be an elitist to people who aren't into the same stuff you are, or you could just say "shit happens I guess" and move on.
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I wouldn't expect someone who sees a man with a gun walking down the street to verify what type of gun it was exactly before calling the police. Then again, you shouldn't try to act knowledgeable by sticking the same name on every gun you see, either.
"Hello, I need to report someone I saw with a gun earlier. I think it was a WKW Wilk Tor anti-materiel rifle, but I'm not sure about the caliber. I last saw him at the roof of an apartment building ten minutes ago, but I needed to know for sure if he was dangerous before calling."
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Exactly. "I saw someone with a gun," is just fine. If the police ask you to describe it, don't just say "Oh, it was an AK-47," unless you know what one of those is. How about you, I don't know, use your words? "It was really long, it had a stand and a scope." That tells the police a lot more, and is more accurate. Hell, I've shot an AK-47 and I still wouldn't be completely sure.
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Oh come off it. There are a billion different circumstances where one big gun could be mistaken for another. I mean, sure, you can be an elitist to people who aren't into the same stuff you are, or you could just say "shit happens I guess" and move on.
And the only one that could be a remotely valid excuse would be the one implied by going to the farmer's market for munchies delicious organic fruits and vegetables at 4:20, all of the other ones are acting like you know something that you don't, which is really hazardous with guns. If I were the police, I would only want people to tell me what they were sure of with regards to the situation, so the SWAT team doesn't go in expecting a guy to have an uzi, and it turns out that he somehow got his hands on a PKM (I actually have talked to a guy that has a legal example, not sure if it is a dealer sample or not. Big guy, you'd have to be to use that thing standing.)
And I hope you aren't talking about my comment about the media not helping, because it is their job to get details right about things. This isn't about them putting up a stock photo of an AR-15 with a duckbill flash hider rather than a birdcage one, this is something that should be obvious with the least bit of fact-checking.
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Right, I get the media thing. I just think you're being banal about something that by all means you take seriously and know a lot about, but that other people might not.
Meh.
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This comes to mind:
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Doesn't help that media coverage tends to do the same thing. No, I'm not doing the redneck "LIEberal MSM!" BS, I'm doing the "lazy fucks won't do thirty second's worth of fact checking" thing.
Sad thing about me is that I could probably identify every single one of those properly except for the one on the bottom left =P
To give Bungie developers credit, the UNSC guns in the game do look like something you could custom-make in the 20th century. Also, I think the issue with the "AK-47" thing is a tiny bit facetious, but at the same time it's really a case of "if you don't know don't try to be clever".
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"Are you sure it was an AK-47?"
"...yes! Definitely."
I refuse to believe that police aren't trained to ask important questions twice, so here we go again.
"Are you sure it was an AK-47?"
"...fine, maybe, I dunno..."
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This is one of those times where the caller really should just say "a really big fucking gun".
Though it does resemble an HK PSG1...
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The point is that it looks like a real firearm, especially to a layman, especially at a distance.
They sell these twenty quid guncases that are basically designed to stop things like this from happening.
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Um... I nerd over real guns. Guns that I've shot. I've been to the shooting range with more girls that I've played video games with, too.
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It's actually a pretty good point is the thing.
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The point is that it looks like a real firearm, especially to a layman, especially at a distance.
They sell these twenty quid guncases that are basically designed to stop things like this from happening.
That's funny. I've been at a gun store very recently (because unlike in Norway or the UK, people don't panic at the sight of a gun store or advertisement for a gun show. Seriously, be more like Switzerland), and I didn't see much that would fit a 6 and a half foot long anti-materiel rifle.
@bassist: Hey there gun-owning (I assume) buddy. Not all that common on here, from what I can tell. Only Trollstormur ever mentions it.
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*shhhh* I never said I owned one. That would probably be looked down on here.
Also, I was thinking about this as I woke up today. If I saw somebody with that thing walking into a building, if I felt compelled to all the police, I wouldn't try to identify the gun, and I actually have some experience with weapons. And a gun case would have been ideal, but that bipod looks like it's stuck in that position, and would defy all attempts to put it into a case. When I've gone shooting with a rifle I didn't have a case for (not that I owned said weapon...), I wrapped it in a blanket to prevent just this sort of thing from happening.
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Yeah, for once I agree with the forum
murder junkies gun nuts legitimate owners of weaponry.
Why in the hell would you try and identify a weapon over the phone to the cops if you are not well-versed in the art of identifying weaponry? I mean if I saw that dude walking around with a gun I would not be that concerned about exactly what it looks like, I would just tell them "Yeah, a dude is walking around with a big fuck-off gun." I might add that it looks like a sniper rifle, but only if I was pretty bloody certain that is what it looked like. Even then I would point out that that is what I thought it was.
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I might add that it looks like a sniper rifle, but only if I was pretty bloody certain that is what it looked like. Even then I would point out that that is what I thought it was.
Honestly, all the cops will hear in that case is "a rifle." A sniper rifle is a rifle that is used for sniping and perhaps is optimized for the job on some level. In all honesty, the US Marine Corps standard "sniper" rifle is essentially a Remington 700 that's modified to be match grade and to handle bumps and rough handling without having the scope getting out of alignment. It's not really any more lethal, it's just hopefully a lot less finicky and has a scope you don't buy at k-mart.
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Honestly, all the cops will hear in that case is "a rifle." A sniper rifle is a rifle that is used for sniping and perhaps is optimized for the job on some level. In all honesty, the US Marine Corps standard "sniper" rifle is essentially a Remington 700 that's modified to be match grade and to handle bumps and rough handling without having the scope getting out of alignment. It's not really any more lethal, it's just hopefully a lot less finicky and has a scope you don't buy at k-mart.
YES! I also hate the term "sniper rifle." I find that only video game people use it, because to most other people, a real "sniper rifle" is very much the same as a "hunting rile."
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I think a lot of people are generally uncomfortable with the fact that many throughout the US are already armed with a weapon that could take out any creature living in North America from around 1,000 meters when used and cared for properly. After all, it was a former USMC member armed with a Remington 700 who was responsible for the '66 Texas University shooting. I suppose the current situation is due to some people fetishizing military gear while others are quite happy to disassociate their own weapons from the "dangerous" weapons that the more uninformed gun control advocates may go after.
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I own a Sako Hunter 85 30-06 cal and a Brescia Lux 12-gauge shotgun, and gun shows are frequently advertised at a place near my residence.
Wow. I wouldn't have guessed. I knew Norway had less strict laws than the UK, but I didn't imagine you owned any.
Alex, the problem with trying to disassociate your guns from the scary stereotype is that others would be more than happy to re-associate them, calling your .30-06 elk gun a "high powered sniper rifle" (high powered seems to be a catch-all term for anything with more power than a slingshot). For example, in some places pump shotguns have been banned, or possibly will be banned. Not just the ultra-tactical scary ones, but the 28" ribbed barrel duck gun your grandpa has. And not a word about banning semi-auto ones, either. Apparently the pump is what makes it dangerous.
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I didn't say it's a good idea or that it's effective, just that some people try to do it and it probably goes a long way towards why a lot of people can call a weapon a "sniper rifle" and not get called on it. I know guys who'll portray a sniper rifle as being some big, scary mythical weapon that isn't at all like the rifle they have at home. They'll walk right up to a city council member and posture to beat hell. It's disingenuous, but that's politics for you. All I'm saying that if you want to be technical about it, a high powered elk gun IS practically a sniper rifle, and vice versa. The labels and the posturing involved is just dancing around the fact that guns are lethal weapons and that people are divided on whether or not they should be allowed.
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Sure. I'll agree with you on that.
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That's funny. I've been at a gun store very recently (because unlike in Norway or the UK, people don't panic at the sight of a gun store or advertisement for a gun show. Seriously, be more like Switzerland), and I didn't see much that would fit a 6 and a half foot long anti-materiel rifle.
(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd269/ducknipples/70.jpg)
There's a gun store two blocks from my house.
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Something makes me doubt that the completely non-functional replica of a gun takes down like a real gun.
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(picture of a gun case)
That does not look like it would accommodate the bipod. If you look at the picture in the article, it barely looks like it can move and definitely has no mechanism for collapsing to make it easier to carry. I mean, it's made to look good, not be portable. Still, the blanket is a much better option than carrying it. I've wrapped a .22 in a blanket to avoid the neighbors panicking when they saw me with my "AK 47."
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Not that you own one :wink:
My dad has done the same thing with BB guns, even though it never clicked as to why until just now. I had just figured he didn't want them getting banged up, so he wrapped them in a blanket to take them in the car. It probably helps that where we go, nobody cares about the BB guns.
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Being in the military i had to take my M4 with me everywhere i went(yes literally everywhere). Won't lie I was absolutely thrilled when i finally got to turn it in after 6mths of dragging it with me. Guess my point is I'm so use to having to have a rifle with me it just lost its allure. I think the same thing would happen to a lot of collectors as well. They maybe get to shoot their weapon once a week and then its locked up like a prized possession. Just kinda ranting here but I never got why people collected weapons in the 1st place. Drag that weapon with you everywhere you go for 6mths to a year and see how much you love it then.
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I treat guns as a way to relax and improve myself. It's really nice to go target shooting with a .22 and all you're trying to do is get that next bullet to land closer to the bullseye than the last one. Sure, I'm always interested in shooting something I haven't shot before, but that list contains things that tend to be fairly obscure and not that much fun to shoot. Carrying a gun, owning a gun, or anything except shooting a gun is, I agree, fairly boring. But when you sit down and it's just you, the gun and that target, it really focuses your mind and is just a great way to pass an afternoon.
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Drag that weapon with you everywhere you go for 6mths to a year and see how much you love it then.
Not for another three years.
Seriously, though. I don't think it is supposed to be exciting to own them, or to carry them (nerve-wracking at first, sure, but if you find it exciting, you probably don't have the right mindset to carry), but shooting them? It's a blast. Especially if the indoor range you are at doesn't have very good sound insulation.
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This has turned into a gun wank thread and thus is boring.
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Still marginally more interesting than a guitar wank thread.
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Still marginally more interesting than a guitar wank thread.
At least guitar wank threads are clearly marked.
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Still marginally more interesting than a guitar wank thread.
Guitars make music which is interesting. Guns make nothing but holes in things. And that is just uninteresting.
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As much as i like guitars and don't necessarily like guns, there is one exception:
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/livbarrob/crossbowgun.jpg)
because why bother with the hassle of loading your own arrow when a machine can do all of the work.
Slightly more on topic: In the scenario of a layman in the street seeing one of these would they know the difference between this (some kind of bastardised (sentient?) crossbow-gun) and a gun that fires actual bullets?
Also, i agree with Jens here that there are so many cases that you can buy that would discretely store the gun (prop or not). They don't even have to be designed for guns; i'm sure it would fit into a Double Bass case (looks a little too big for a cello) and nobody would phone the police if they thought that you were simply carrying around a musical instrument (don't quote me on this, it may or may not have already happened/happen in future).
P.S. I tried resizing the picture but it wouldn't work, sorry.
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I'm not saying here that it's uninteresting. I'm saying that guitarwanking is more interesting.
Mind you, if you want to, I can certainly say and mean that talking about guns is uninteresting. Which it totally is. But I didn't want to do that here. But now you forced it out of me.
Damn.
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Man I've been reading this thread being all high and mighty and thinking "oh guns are bad and they kill people, being interested in them and having totally reasonable discussions about them is shit blah blah blah" then about half way (about the time Bassist was talking about target shooting and how meditative he finds it) through I started swapping out "gun" for "bow" and yeah, I used to have these conversations about archery back when I knew people who did archery. I haven't done that in a few years and at this point I probably need a new bowstring as mine has been pretty improperly stored for at least 5 - 7 years. I wish there was an archery range somewhere nearby where I could go and shoot. It is a great way to spend an afternoon and is significantly quieter than shooting a gun but that is like the main difference.
The point I am labouriously getting to is that it is maybe time for all the gun-control advocates (of which I am a member) to be a little less looking-down-their-noses at the gun people. In this thread at least (which, being the video game forum is maybe not the best place for the discussion but whatever) the pro-gun people are not talking like raving lunatics about how they're going to shoot everyone that looks at them funny or asks them for a light or however these conversations end up.
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Yeah, but Jimmy, you're forgetting:
He always seemed so normal.
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Don't be stupid I never seemed normal.
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No no, I mean that's what the neighbours always say right after someone goes on a shooting rampage. I'm saying that just because the pro-gun people in this thread don't seem like raving lunatics, doesn't mean that they're not plotting to murder us all even as we speak . . . err, type.
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Honestly the only one that is giving me any murdervibes is Nodaisho but that's cos he's like 5 or whatever and has a huge hard-on for guns which I guess is normal for a teenager.
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Well don't come crying to me when you wake up dead.
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I...but...well that's just...
Yes, Harry. :(
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I've been to the shooting range with more girls that I've played video games with, too.
And the girls were never seen again.
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Man Jimmy I don't think any of the gun-control folks are really looking down on the gun-owners - I mean unlike some of the ones we've had in the past like Skawronska the dudes who own/like guns in this thread are all fairly sensible bunnies and while I might disagree with some of their attitudes towards guns I certainly don't think they're nutjobs. (Also I totally had a boner for guns when I was a teenager too and it wasn't like I even had a chance to play with them.)
Also I mightn't be a huge gunwank fan but god is it about seventy-five trillion times more interesting than guitarwankery.
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Also I mightn't be a huge gunwank fan but god is it about seventy-five trillion times more interesting than guitarwankery.
To me gun wankery is a bit less boring than guitar wankery, since there's often some discussion of the attitudes and social issues involved with gun ownership as well. A pure "Ooh, look at this one!" thread will be boring as hell, but it's unlikely to come to that on a forum like this, and it's an issue that comes up just as often with guitars. But really, gun wankery is winning by default here, since I think the most interesting digression I've seen from a guitar wank thread came when Jeph and Patrick started calling eachother pussies in all caps due to a difference of opinion on string gauges.
As for the gun control thing, most people in America are more or less of the opinion you are Jeans. Polling has shown that the majority of Americans recognize the right to own a gun yet a slight majority also favors having stricter laws or at least more tightly enforcing the ones that are already on the books. Thus most of the disagreements tend to be based on the details, such as "assault weapons," concealed carry, and wait lists. You do of course have people who favor an outright ban and libertarian militia types who are against any and all restrictions, but they're generally a significant minority and are visible largely because they're disproportionately likely to throw their weight behind special interest groups.
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As for the gun control thing, most people in America are more or less of the opinion you are Jeans. Polling has shown that the majority of Americans recognize the right to own a gun yet a slight majority also favors having stricter laws or at least more tightly enforcing the ones that are already on the books.
I'm actually pretty sure that recently, it has gotten to the point where a majority don't favor stricter laws. Enforcing the ones that we already have, sure, even the NRA is for that (although it would be nice if some of them were changed so that if your gun malfunctions, the part that makes it fire gets stuck forward, and you empty a whole magazine downrange, you don't get charged with a felony for having an unregistered machinegun).
It isn't murdervibes, it is a mix of disliking a lot of people and finding guns fascinating. And no, that isn't the same thing.
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I looked and you're right; the last figure I had seen was from in '01. This kind of thing has been hovering around 50% for quite some time though so I'm not exactly confident that the sudden drop Gallup polls are showing will stick though. There's simply too many people in the middle ground on this subject to say, particularly since the polls seem to be showing that again, people want to stick with the status quo. They love their rifles but don't really see why some dude wants to buy an M-60. Maybe it could though, at least for a while; we've still had school shootings and the like despite Democrats getting some of their favorite pet laws through in the past so I could see how many people would be willing to just give up on a few of the laws. That would also make sense considering that most of the pessimism in regards to gun control is predictably coming from Republicans and to a lesser extent independents. This would make sense, particularly since guns and ammo sales tend to spike when a Democrat gets into office. A lot of people tend to stock up in such scenarios.
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I noticed the stocking up. The shelves are still mostly bare around here, for the longest time nobody even had .22 ammo, there was only birdshot, lots and lots of birdshot. It is getting better at least, and it probably won't be long now until the credit card bills get to be so bad that all of the people that stocked up on 100,000 rounds of 5.56 will have to sell most of them, and the market will get flooded with ammo.
The people that don't get why someone wants an M-60 have obviously never been to Knob Creek (giant class III shoot. Short barreled rifles, shotguns, machineguns, suppressed guns, someone usually brings an m134 minigun as well, if you are particularly eager to get rid of your money).
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I've heard of Knob Creek gun range but never had any interest in it. One time on a road trip a guy really wanted to stop by there, but me and the other 3 guys vetoed him. You probably need a membership and shit anyway. I just don't get boners over guns or even particularly like them. I'm must a mid western boy, that's all, so I've been around them to some extent or another for most of my life.
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You don't need a membership as far as I can tell. The big shoots are bi-annual, the rest of the time it is just a normal range as far as I can tell.
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although it would be nice if some of them were changed so that if your gun malfunctions, the part that makes it fire gets stuck forward, and you empty a whole magazine downrange, you don't get charged with a felony for having an unregistered machinegun).
It isn't murdervibes, it is a mix of disliking a lot of people and finding guns fascinating. And no, that isn't the same thing.
Holy Crap the M249(SAW) is famous for that. Fire too many rounds and next thing you know its stuck forward and you risk losing a finger trying to rip the belt off to stop the firing.
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Really? I never heard any complaints about that. The firing pin issue is usually with older designs (the SKS especially), are you sure the guy in question didn't just keep firing with the same barrel too long, and start cooking them off from the barrel heat?
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you have a good point about firing a SAW at a cyclic rate possibly overheating and cooking the rounds. We never got told the reason this happens. So i looked up runaway M249 and found a PDF on it and it states the main causes for runaway is a worn trigger sear, but can also be a result of a dirty or worn gas system. Either way the whole concept of a runaway weapon always scared the shit outta me so i made sure to only fire at a sustainable rate and to keep my weapon cleaned as if being inspected at all times. BTW our Drill Sgt lil mnemonic device for remembering to fire for only 3-4 seconds was to say the phrase 'killing a family of four" in our head. Yeah fukd up but it stayed with me.
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Man, the army is full of shit like that. One of my buddies served in the 101st and he was telling me all the sorts of marching jodies they had during infantry training that seemed specifically designed to encourage a murderous view.
p.s. Machine guns are fun the first time, but the reason I shoot is not to put a lot of rounds downrange, so they kind of got old fast.
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If I saw somebody with that thing walking into a building, if I felt compelled to all the police, I wouldn't try to identify the gun
While that is true, if the cops have any sense they simply ignore when people tell them what gun it is and just interpret the call as "the person saw a gun and is alarmed." It's like when I worked IT for a while; unless the person is someone I have previously experienced as knowledgeable about computers and/or they tell me in detail what's going on along with their diagnosis, I basically always just ignored their diagnosis and just came away from trouble reports thinking "their computer is not doing what they expect, I should go check what the issue is."
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Yeah, I figure it's fun to see the effect of it one or two times, but I don't think you can measure your skill progress as well as with just a rifle.
There are SMG competitions (usually hit all of the targets in the shortest amount of time), but other than that I agree. It is completely impractical, but there is a reason people refer to it as a giggle switch.