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Fun Stuff => CHATTER => Topic started by: MarkTBSc on 27 Sep 2009, 08:30
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Ok, firstly if you're a hipster who likes Neutral Milk Hotel, Modest Mouse, Slint or Sufjan Stevens then you shouldn't be here.
Likewise, if you wear ultra-skinny clothing, look half starved, have an Indy Rock look or, in general, identify with the lead characters in Questionable Content then this probably isn't for you.
This might sound weird but it's true. My name's Mark and I really don't belong here.
Questionable Content is an awesome web-comic. It's well drawn, funny, compelling and well written. Even people who aren't Indy music types can enjoy it. I enjoy it and I'm not even close to being Indy. I like Pop, Rock and Metal. Sure, classical too but Indy is really not my thing. I prefer music you could fight a war to. There's obviously nothing wrong with the Indy world but it's not for me. Or perhaps I should say Us, if this thread hasn't just slipped, un-noticed, off the bottom of the page.
This thread is for those Forumites who like QC but don't get half of what the Indy types say. We don't understand their humour, their taste in music and/or books and we often end up with them looking at us askance because we think we've said something funny but they just don't get it.
This thread is for those who enjoy a good web-comic, but are occasionally left feeling like morons. The Indy guys and girls have started in on 17th century French poetry, and that makes about as much sense to us as a discussion of the tactical merits of Mobile Infantry Marauder suits would make to them. Or maybe Nascar or Jets or whatever it is you like that doesn't quite mesh with their tastes.
Now... What happens next I wonder?
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http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,23613.0.html
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That, and I'm not really sure any of us "belong here." If you notice, some of us like sports, some of us like guns, and some of us like more "indie" subjects. We have wide interests, and that's why I enjoy this forum. It's a forum for people who don't belong.
edit: Not that I'm speaking for everybody here, this (yes, I just made a general reference error, get over it grammar nazis) is just what I've observed.
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Ok, firstly if you're a hipster who likes Neutral Milk Hotel, Modest Mouse, Slint or Sufjan Stevens then you shouldn't be here.
Well I like Modest Mouse and Sufjan Stevens, but I don't really think I am a hipster.
Likewise, if you wear ultra-skinny clothing, look half starved, have an Indy Rock look or, in general, identify with the lead characters in Questionable Content then this probably isn't for you.
I look half starved and some of my clothes are ultra-skinny, but this is mostly not by choice.
This might sound weird but it's true. My name's Mark and I really don't belong here.
Cearly you don't.
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I'll never understand this whole solidarity via excluding the other business.
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Well, unless being "other" means being a jack ass, then I totally get it.
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Now... What happens next I wonder?
This thread dies from lack of interest, I guess. I mean, if you'd read any useful amount of this forum, you'd see that the thesis it's based on is simply false.
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whatever hipster
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I prefer music you could fight a war to.
I agree with your taste in music :high five:
I also came to these forums because I liked the comic (and because the other forums I visit was filled with racist homophobic ignorant teenagers). I was wondering how a hipster forum would treat a frat boy/gym rat. It turns out people here are like people everywhere else. There are small cliques and groups, but mostly everyone is friendly and accepting so long as you don't come and throw off their whole routine.
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What's that Venn Diagram that describes geeks, nerds, dorks, etc?
I think the only thing that brings the people on this forum together is that they at one point, and probably still, read QC. So if you read QC then you belong here!
There's probably as wide a variety of people on this forum as there is anywhere else, probably more, cause here we aren't necessarily limited by our social spheres.
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Hey guys I'm going to go judge and exclude some people based on how I think they are instead of trying to talk to them and get to know them- aw shit I'm too late.
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Ok, so it sounds like aside from nobo, all I've managed to do is make myself even more of an outcast.
I guess I'll just dodge the hate by lurking and let the thread die.
TTFN all.
P.S. I wasn't trying to be down on anyone, I was simply attempting to offer a little solace to people who felt oppressed by the cliques. Reminds me of my school days.
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Exactly. You aren't/weren't an outcast and it's likely nobody dislikes you. It'd be kinda hard for me to dislike you because I don't know you from Adam. That's why this thread is so misguided. You don't really know us very well yet and we don't know you very well yet, but you responded by making thread that's explicitly for some people and not for others. That's not a way to break down barriers between cliques. It's actually inserting an explicit rejection into a situation where there wasn't any before.
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Hey guy, I don't hate you.
This is just silly is all.
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Just for the record, I hate all of you.
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Why won't any of you just accept me
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FIGHT THE OPPRESSION FUCK
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Let's exclude people from the maritimes.
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The whole QC thing, to me, always felt like it was a home for Indy fans. I don't think that's unreasonable. Jeph's an Indy fan and there's a lot about it in the writing. I get that. I'm fine with that. I love the story and yeah, I don't always understand everything but I get the idea.
The forums... I have no idea about everyone. All I know is that I've seen a lot of people who seem to be similar - similar clothing styles, similar musical tastes, similar senses of humour - chatting and sharing jokes and talking about similar stuff and I just don't get it a lot of the time. I'll see an outfit and see everyone compliment it while I'm thinking "I really wouldn't wear that". I've told jokes and had them either ignored (You get used to that on forums) or just had people say "What the hell dude. No." and it all just feels like everyone else is part of this highly educated Indy clique and I'm this outsider. It's survivable but unpleasant. I'd like to be more on this forum than just a lurker who comes in for the funny pictures.
I can't be more unless I speak the same language as the people in that clique, but that would require me to change. To become more like the people I don't understand. They seem like nice people and I'm really happy they're around because they all seem good and decent. This forum has many less trolls and general evil-doers than most forums. But I don't want to be like them. I want to be like me. So the best way to gain relevance and to be more active on the board is to make friends with the other people who feel like me. Who want to chat and discuss etc. but don't speak the same language as the cliques. The best way I could see to find those people who, like me, lurk a whole lot because they're not really sure what to post... The best option was to create a thread targeted specifically at them.
Which I did.
However all I seem to have done is made enemies of people who feel excluded by my attempt to find other excluded people. Which I have to say must take special talent.
I seem to have skills. For my next trick I shall endeavour to turn a ham sandwich into poop.
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The only real group I've seen here is the bunch of regulars who all know each other by actual names. I've just stayed out of the threads where they all go nostalgic (When did you register? thread, prime suspect) and it's OK. I tend to just pretend I know what I'm talking about and hope no one calls me out on anything :-D
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(http://www.scene-stealers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/indiana_jones_temple_of_doom.jpg)
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I tend to find that if something is labeled as Indy (Music, style, cinema) then I won't like it.
Except for QC. I like QC.
Ohhhhh that chiseled jaw has my heart all aflutter! (Although his Dad is better).
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Let's exclude people from the maritimes.
You mean that you guys haven't already been doing that for the past 60 years?
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But I don't want to be like them. I want to be like me.
= The absolute best way to fit in.
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People have done the same thing with emo and goth. It makes a lot of conversations way more shrill and confusing than they really have to be.
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'Indy" is a term you use for things you don't like. You find things you don't like and you label them "Indy". Do you see how this works now?
so is nickelback one of those indie bands i keep on hearing about?
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Ha!
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I'd like to be more on this forum than just a lurker who comes in for the funny pictures.
why?
I can't be more unless I speak the same language as the people in that clique, but that would require me to change. To become more like the people I don't understand. They seem like nice people and I'm really happy they're around because they all seem good and decent. This forum has many less trolls and general evil-doers than most forums. But I don't want to be like them. I want to be like me. So the best way to gain relevance and to be more active on the board is to make friends with the other people who feel like me. Who want to chat and discuss etc. but don't speak the same language as the cliques.
I don't quite get what you want out of these forums. From what you're saying you want to be a relevant member of the forums dedicated to an indie web comic, even though you're not indie? why?
and, btw, I don't think most people on here are indie. or at least they don't think of themselves as indie. at least thats the impression I get. I had always thought indie had something to do with independent label bands. But I don't think thats the case.
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NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH Please stop using that word
I will direct you to Tommy's previous post about the matter:
My suggestion is that you think there is this thing called "Indy" and thus you feel excluded because you are not an "Indy". The good news is you are not being excluded because there's no such thing. It's completely imaginary.
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There exists a "hipster" and an "indie" crowd (to deny there are people who identify themselves as such is somewhat naive), but they're too busy trying to look cool to post on internet message boards. We're just people who want to discuss awesome things. Hell, I spend most of my time here looking through threads and realizing I have nothing to add. You can't come into a place and expect everything people talk about to be interesting to you. Just like you have varied interests, other people have varied interests. Things I want to talk about but nobody else seems to want to talk about:
jazz
motorcycles
guns
physics
optics
Thing is, those aren't everything I want to talk about. Sometimes people bring up something that I didn't even realize I cared about, and that's awesome. You have to have an open mind and be willing to broaden your horizons. After all, you learn nothing if you just talk about topics in which you're an expert. Learning new things is what it's all about.
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Physics? I'll talk about physics! It probably won't be at a very high level, but I love the subject. Plus I may go into optics at university :-D
Do you want to make the physics thread or shall I?
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Physics? I'll talk about physics! It probably won't be at a very high level, but I love the subject. Plus I may go into optics at university :-D
Do you want to make the physics thread or shall I?
....Dude. You'd better not be joking.
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I'm really not. Check my introductory post. I bore my friends rigid with physics if I get the chance. :-)
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jazz
You act like this has not been talked about before
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It has, but never the original stuff that is happening today. It's always old stuff (like Ellington or Miles) or fusion, which I can't stand (way too similar to prog rock).
Also, rock the physics!
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Well you have a point there, but there's gotta be some people hiding around here that know about it
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My kid sister is now in her first high school physics class, so that means I get to help her out with her homework occasionally. Anyway, who is making the physics thread?
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Me! It's done :-D
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Anyway, I've wrote
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physics
Hey, I'd like to talk about physics! I mean, I don't know a lot about physics, but I think it's a good idea. "
and in the meantime there were 8 more or less physics related posts. Nice.
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what in the fuck is this thread
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this thread is a place where people decided they wanted to talk about physics.
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Also, the thread for appreciation of a fine work dr. Indiana Jones did.
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As to the term Indy/Indie... Ummmm... I'm willing to be wrong here but I'm always hearing people talk about Indie or Independant stuff. Wikipedia says that Dinosaur jr. is Indie Rock, as well as a whole bunch of other stuff. Plus I hear that Indie movies are all about gay cowboys eating pudding. ;)
I don't use Indy/Indie as a term for stuff I don't like. I mean I don't like free jazz or Marmite or racism but I don't think they're the I word.
Would it be better to say I like more mainstream stuff?
Physics is awesome! I'm no good at it but I love the subject! John Ringo and Travis S Taylor's "Voyage of the Space Bubble" series of books has got me more into subatomic particle physics of late (hence the sig).
I like talking about guns, but as I understand they're a verboten subject on these boards so I stay clear. I love engineering and making too. I've posted on the Electronics section of the Arts and Crafts boards here.
nobo, I get the feeling that the people here are good people. We all like QC so we have that in common, and they mostly seem to be polite, decent and - in the case of the ladies - rather attractive. I'd like to make some friends from amongst that number and expand the small circle I have. Of the 15 or so friends I have in the world, I made 13 or so of them on web-forums like this one. Just because we don't share a taste in clothing or music or movies doesn't mean that we can't be friends and this thread was an attempt to try and find people who like QC and perhaps do like the same things as me.
The people of the QC boards are a lot like the people I work with every day. They're great people but they're also intimidating. They've got brains and they certainly seem like they know where their towels are when it comes to music and art and films and I just feel intimidated. I'd like to find people amongst them who are more like me.
It's a bunch of people talking, Melodic. I'm not sure where it's going or what the result will be but for the time being it's pleasant.
sidenote - I'm really really bad at detecting things like seriousness and sarcasm and stuff like that so I apologise if I misread anyone's intentions. For example, Melodic, can I ask if that "f**k" was intended to convey disgust or puzzlement?
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Pfft, I'm not a lady and I'm pretty not ugly.
Why must you divide the community?!
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Assuming that you won't be liked because you're not "indie" pretty much removes the drive to refine your boarding. You'll basically suffer the fate of developmental stasis for the rest of your life until you overcome this hurdle. I'm pretty sure nobody on this board with two brain cells to rub together would currently describe themselves earnestly with what you call the "i word," and it's certainly not something that is a requisite for joining. It might in actuality be, judging from your last post, that you think the male boarders are unattractive, that you dislike marmite, or that you wink too much (while making light not only Ang Lee but pudding, no less!).
Also, your desire to make friends that are similar to you is baffling to me. Whenever I meet someone like myself, I make loud siren-like noises until they leave. It's called 'pulling a Highlander,' and I thought most everyone did it.
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I demand an explanation of the battery.
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Let's start with Top Gun. I love Top Gun. Show of hands?
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It has, but never the original stuff that is happening today. It's always old stuff (like Ellington or Miles) or fusion, which I can't stand (way too similar to prog rock).
If you would like to start a thread talking about this sort of thing, I promise I will listen to some things you recommend. I really know very little about current jazz music.
EDIT: Oh shit it is post 1984 and I have to remember that boring book.
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Now I can't tell if I've actually offended people and you're all really upset or you're being funny.
I wasn't meaning to imply that anyone was unattractive. I'm not sure about the Highlander thing... I just tend to talk to people and they go away and don't come back all by themselves.
I really wasn't trying to divide the community when I started this thread and I'm sorry if I have.
Ummm... What battery?
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The electrical kind, I think. My explanation is either a chemical reaction or leprechauns.
Let's start with Top Gun. I love Top Gun. Show of hands?
So, whenever I have a passenger on my motorcycle, I always have to resist referring to her (I don't think I'm comfortable enough in my sexuality to ride with a dude) as "Goose." Everyone tells me not to resist. Should I not resist?
I will consider starting a thread on the subject of modern jazz.
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Now I can't tell if I've actually offended people and you're all really upset or you're being funny.
Please do not think that we are offended because it is not true. Unless I'm mistaken, this forum is generally level-headed
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Let's start with Top Gun. I love Top Gun. Show of hands?
No way, if we are talking about the best 80s movies Robocop wins.
EDIT: Wait no Back to the Future was way awesomer.
EDIT2: Y'know what, pretty much every 80s sci-fi movie other than Short Circuit 2 defeats every other 80s movie.
EDIT3: I declare that Ghostbusters counts as sci-fi.
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I don't really like Top Gun or Robocop.
You know what bugs me? When people call Highlander sci-fi. That's really dumb.
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Bassist, do not resist. Goose was cool and everyone should be honoured to be referred to by his nickname/handle/RIO designation whatever. I love using the old "I feel the need" line whenever possible. Plus, inverted communications with a MiG in a negative 3G maneuver is cool.
Thank you KickThatBallProf. I feel a lot like Raven a lot of the time on-line... You think you've been polite but the other party now believes there is a blood feud between your families after an exchange about paint brushes... Or you feel charmed by a lovely individual who was actually calling your mother a tart.
Aliens was an 80s Sci-Fi movie. It was also very good. How many other 80s movies got their own technical manual?
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Get the fuck out right now it is KickThatBathProf
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When people call Highlander sci-fi. That's really dumb.
Well in fairness Highlander 2 decided they were all aliens.
Of course Highlander 2 sucks and we should all pretend it doesn't exist.
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Aliens was an 80s Sci-Fi movie. It was also very good. How many other 80s movies got their own technical manual?
Or designs by H.R. Giger.
I will take the Top Gun advice under advisement.
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I often feel like I don't belong here, but certainly not for any of the reasons listed... I've just spent too much time among the stupid people who make up most of the rest of the internet, and this place makes me feel out of my depth now
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Hay Guise
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Hay Guise
What's with the whole "internet and wrecked english" thing? (no offense, the remark is not aimed at you, but to the whole internet - Hello, there.) I can't seem to understand it.
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we should all pretend it doesn't exist.
Way ahead of you on that one.
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Hay Guise
What's with the whole "randomly posting with an alt on the internet" thing? (no offense, the remark is not aimed at you, but to the whole internet - Hello, there.) I can't seem to understand it.
fixed that for you
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With an alt? I don't get it.
English is not my primary language.
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Hay Guise
What's with the whole "AMAZING CREATOR OF VIDEO GAMES POSTING" thing? (no offense, the remark is not aimed at you, but to the whole internet - Hello, there.) I can't seem to understand it.
fixed that for you
fixed your attempt at fixing his comment
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Scarred is probably the most indie person on here.
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I wonder if that's my problem, Fiend?
Then again, it may just be that discussions on this board - that I have so far encountered - tend to cover topics outside of my realm of knowledge.
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Since this is the thread for people who don't belong here the obvious solution is to ban everyone in it.
Obviously.
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what the hell am i doing here?
i don't belong here...
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Oh god no not that song
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Scarred is actually one of the reasons I created this thread. Once I saw his outfit I just knew that I would never truly fit in.
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Yeah, I'm afraid that's a bit of a miscalculation on your part.
I mean, let's review here. Scarred:
1. Attended some thing called Bumbershoot.
2. While wearing rainbow "manties."
3. Realized a Trojan booth could help finish his ensemble.
There's nothing wrong with any of that, but it ain't exactly a universal experience. In some parts of the country such a person would be suspected of coming from circumstances.
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I think a lot of what I wanted to say has already been said, but I'll say it anyway because fuck you all, the First Amendment says I can.
A lot of times I feel like I don't fit in in places around here. The Comic Discussion subforum makes me feel angry out of place, because I don't really like the comic that much any more and also don't seem to obsess about it as much as those guys. The Computer forum reminds me how absolutely hopeless I am with computers. The Music forum is almost completely full of topics that I don't care about. Even in this subforum, here I spend most of my time, there are threads that I look at with a puzzled expression. It's gonna happen wherever you are. How I counter that is I don't read the threads that are of topics I don't care about, or I go to wikipedia and look up what is being talked about. Also, normally if I don't like something, such as an outfit in the fashion thread or soforth, I generally just don't say anything; if I say "oh god that is ugly" then the people who do like it are just going to tell me I am wrong and I will go about wearing clothes I like to wear anyway because they are people on the internet and can't really do anything to stop me.
Maybe you should try not to worry about fitting in so much? As tommy has said, this place is full of different people, and we don't talk about all our interests all the time, so maybe just trying to participate so we know a bit more about you and get to know your personality or sense of humour is all you really need to do. I can see why this place can be intimidating, but it's not like you will have noting in common with everyone here.
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oh I know, I intend to try to fit in regardless (besides, I see you're planning some sort of Toronto meeting and I live there. Hopefully I can integrate myself before then as it'd be a shame to regret missing something like that later)
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If anyone wants to talk about shitty vampire novels, you know where I am!
anyone?
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Funny enough, the Vampire Lestat was probably, objectively, a better book than Dracula.
am I doing it right
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I haven't heard of any recent shitty vampire novels (http://www.basicinstructions.net/?p=1149).
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nobo, I get the feeling that the people here are good people. We all like QC so we have that in common, and they mostly seem to be polite, decent and - in the case of the ladies - rather attractive. I'd like to make some friends from amongst that number and expand the small circle I have. Of the 15 or so friends I have in the world, I made 13 or so of them on web-forums like this one. Just because we don't share a taste in clothing or music or movies doesn't mean that we can't be friends and this thread was an attempt to try and find people who like QC and perhaps do like the same things as me.
Ok, I get where you're coming from here. Sounds like you're just looking for buddies and were a little intimidated because you thought everyone was all indie and you wouldn't fit in, but as you can see that is not the case.
Anyway, you can count me as a buddy. My PM box is always open if you want someone to talk to.
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http://www.peopleinpizzaslicecostumesbecomingpizzas.com/
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this thread is the hidden workshop of a brilliant undiscovered artist and i want every post framed and hung on my wall
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dashing picture of Harrison Ford
This is a redundant statement.
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I only like bands you don't like
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What movie is that one? I know I don't watch "Temple of Doom" much, but I don't think there was much CGI. I've seen "Raiders" and "Crusade" a bunch so I know it wasn't in those.
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I don't really know the posters here that well (I don't belong here)
I've never been to meebo (I don't belong here)
I haven't seen the new Indiana Jones (I don't belong in this topic)
I have a naive and relatively clean mindset (I don't belong on the internet)
I guess I like that indie junk (I do don't do don't don't belong here?)
I think it's time for me to find a 90's movie about not fitting in on Lifetime.
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man if I'm not mistaken Jeph hasn't even talked about music in the comic for ages. The closest he's gotten is the newsposts or the character's t-shirts.
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emo much?
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I like sarcasm and seafood.
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I only like bands you don't like
One of my friends keeps saying that.
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Okay, I think some of you are being a little too soft on this thread.
This thread screams "I want to be popular without having to actually work my way up a social ladder."
Seriously, if you can completely miss what is going on these forums as hard as this thread did, there's probably a very good reason you're not amongst the "in" crowd, such as there is one.
I will be the first to admit: yes, this forum is very clique-y. Nobody should bother denying it. There are many among us who get VERY defensive and start making in-jokes when occasional new folks who don't meet their criteria of strong boarding step even a toe out of line. I will readily admit I've been guilty of this more than my fair share.
That said, I think the guy completely missed the actual cliques. Yes, there are a fuck ton of us who speak routinely off the forum, have big rocking parties with each other and sleep on each others' couches. That doesn't happen because we like the right music or because we wear some certain style. Anyone who knows me on here knows that I'd have left here right quick if that were the case.
I wear T-Shirts and jeans, primarily. I loved Metallica's last album. I'm terrible at guitar, hate just about any film without major studio backing, play WoW and follow baseball religiously. That said, just about everyone on the forum who posts routinely knows who I am, be that for better or worse.
That's because this isn't High School. People aren't going to toss you out on your ear because you're not the model of their opinions. You know how I, as a person who doesn't share interests with a good chunk of the forum, got to be known on here? By actually talking to people and getting to know them rather than charging in and taking an "I don't need you" attitude.
That and I tend to yell a lot and just like being belligerent for the sake of it. People who do that go far in life.
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Oh, shit, sorry, nevermind guys.
I am exactly what's wrong with this forum:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/0bsessions/My%20Pictures/Halloween/l_4539bf7adf9e1d7b7cae0c01716ba40d.jpg)
Also, I could probably have fit into skinny jeans when I first joined, but man have I put on a few since I joined.
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Golden Grahams are fucking mainstream! Lame!
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Page breaks are popular here too.
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Also, padding your post count.
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Because post counts are the new dick.
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Man High School ain't even like that anymore.
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BULKSHIT!
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Oh, no, shit! An in-joke. My bad.
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Maybe you should be thankful you don't belong here
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Jon gave us a good example of what taking time to ease into the forum affords. I read his inane and garbled multi-post ejaculation and thought "goddamn, this shit be wack. but its jon, so i can deal." If a new person did it, I would probably dismiss them as just shitty dudes or ladies. Also, Meebo is an excellent way of getting acquainted with the forum regulars. However, one thing QC has always been excellent at doing is locating tryhards and being less than pleasant to them. People that tend to just be themselves do quite well. I would say some of my favorite posters on this forum hardly qualify under any manner of indie title, such as Paul or Mr. Hocking. Each still gives astounding contributions to the forums they post in either through excellent knowledge, analogy and picture (Paul) or being old, predatory, and making everyone uncomfortable (JHocks). Of all the "regulars" here, I probably come just about closest to fitting the typical indie/hipster tags, yet just because those are my particular ways of dress and likes does in no way limit my capacity to interact and enjoy the company of those that aren't as stereotypical as myself.
But, hey. Mark, I like some things you might like! I enjoy Queen and the Beatles a lot! I like R. Kelly in a non-ironic way. I watch and root for my schools basketball and football teams. I don't actively watch much sports, but I always keep up to date on scores and standings for my favorite clubs, be it Chelsea or the NY Jets. I enjoy doing stuff like hiking and camping. I really enjoy cooking and grilling, especially when it involves pasta or large hunks of beef. I sometimes play video games on my computer, ranging from MMOs to FPS. I repair small lawnmower and tractor engines for a hobby, and while I don't really have any desire of spiffing up my own car, I am fascinated in the mechanics of how. There are many other things I enjoy a lot too! You might find that many of these indie kids are possessing a depth to them far greater than their appearance may hint at.
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Y'know, at first I was scared this thread would really upset people. Y'know, based on the first few responses. But hey, things are looking up. I'm actually feeling a little more confident now. Thanks guys!
Also, I have to remember the comic is not the forum. Just because Jeph appears not to like the Sex Pistols or Friends doesn't mean everyone here doesn't.
I'm not much of a sports fan.
Unless it's Robot Wars.
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I guess the main thing to remember here is that the comic has basically no effect on what people talk about. I mean I can't remember the last time someone mentioned it other than in this thread, and trying to start a discussion on it is actually sometimes frowned on because there's a whole other set of subfora for that.
Also hey, I don't belong here either! I should be cleaning my room and icing a bakewell tart! GET BACK TO THE KITCHEN, GIRL. (My room is not in the kitchen.)
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I wouldn't worry about icing the tart if I were you. Just eat the tart.
Then eat the icing.
Problem solved.
Also, re-reading my last post it occurs to me I shouldn't say Y'know so much. Y'know?
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Guys, i started reading the comic again semi-regularly. It is not bad really!
Hey Mark.
Sup.
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Hey there Lunchbox.
Not much. Chillin', havin a Bud. You?
D'you watch House? Season Premiere was good.
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Havin' a cup of tea. Bbritish heritage, you know.
I probably should watch house, I remember liking it when it started. I have a Tv but I always forget to turn it on because i am busy on the internet! Crazy!
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I know what you mean. I think I've seen, maybe, three episodes of House on TV. I don't want to wait months for it to come out over here so I download them all. Being a Brit has its down sides.
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If nothing else this thread has assured me that I am not the only one who has 6 boxes of cereal on their refrigerator.
...I thought I was the only one.
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Yeah you and the rest of America
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Shit dude I guess I am not the breakfast food outcast I thought I was.
I think we have all learned something today...
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D'you watch House? Season Premiere was good.
It was interesting, but I'm waiting to see if they actually change the show. House is usually good about not doing things for ratings, but changing the main character in a sort of major way is very risky.
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I'm hoping he'll still be a jerk, but in a much more compassionate 'Call you an idiot and then give you a hug' kinda way. I have a lot of confidence in Hugh Laurie's ability to pull it off in a believable fashion. And House has always been good with small children. Maybe that side will come out more.
Now, am I hoping here or just wishing?
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I would say some of my favorite posters on this forum hardly qualify under any manner of indie title, such as Paul or Mr. Hocking.
I might be indie if I listened to music. I think I heard some songs by the Killers and liked them, are they indie?
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I don't know. Whenever I try to fit in with people I think are Indie I put Otis Taylor or Mark Ronson on.
I don't think they're particularly Indie but I'm trying to strike a balance between neither of us wanting to take a crowbar to the other's music collection.
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I have a Tv but I always forget to turn it on because i am busy on the internet! Crazy!
the internet IS the best tv (http://www.hulu.com/house)
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I am pretty sure I might be a hipster.
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Well the hat certainly supports your hypothesis...
On the other hand you might be a hacker. Do you have an inexplicable urge to set information free on the interblag?
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man if I'm not mistaken Jeph hasn't even talked about music in the comic for ages. The closest he's gotten is the newsposts or the character's t-shirts.
He wrote somewhere that he was listening more to metal than to indie these days. Hint: the only interesting part of the comics forum is Jeph's posts in the ask Jeph thread.
I have a Tv but I always forget to turn it on because i am busy on the internet! Crazy!
the internet IS the best tv (http://www.hulu.com/house)
Hulu can go suck it's own American-only ass :x
I don't think I belong to the crowd, really, but I've kinda just stopped trying. People have a thread about what they wear, and the people in the music forums says that In Flames first albums were better than the last ones (can you imagine?), so I stick to the places where there's interesting stuff going on.
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Wait, does this board have a generally agreed upon definition of hipster? Cause i'd actually be pretty interested in knowin'
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FIGHT THE OPPRESSION. FUCK.
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Man, I meant hipster as the stereotype I have come to know. It is more or less Tommy.
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Hipsters are like porn. I know 'em when I see 'em.
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Hulu can go suck it's own American-only ass :x
oh yeah I forgot about that, that is pretty lame
Since the only two shows I watch regularly are the Daily Show and the Colbert Report and both are on Hulu, I have no desire to pay the cable company an exorbitant fee on top of what I already pay for internet access.
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Wait, does this board have a generally agreed upon definition of hipster? Cause i'd actually be pretty interested in knowin'
Seconded
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Hulu can go suck it's own...ass
How does one suck an ass?
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You know it's weird because I feel like I've always had a reason for being here except for those times when everybody's talking about webcomics. I don't like webcomics and never have. I have yet to run across a webcomic I think is good. It's like for all of 5 minutes I realize that I'm living amongst the lizard people. And then as abruptly as it started things are back to normal.
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How does one suck an ass?
Same way you suck anything else: apply mouth, suck, repeat.
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Because post counts are the new dick.
Suck the next seven posts you see?
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Linds are you sure sig is feminine?
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I don't speak French, but I say it's feminine because I'm a lady.
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I personally think we are well and past postcount padding at this point. No one cares about postcounts that much anymore?
also, thread, whatever.
Dude who started thread I did not hate you now you are a bit annoying? You said you wanted to be part of this place but really what does that mean?
I guess the question to ask is: do you find/make friends other places by starting conversation by proclaiming a manifesto of who you are why you feel ostracized and who you want to be friends with?
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Indie is short for independent. Not being like everyone else, you are independent. Would this make you indie on these boards?
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I have a Tv but I always forget to turn it on because i am busy on the internet! Crazy!
the internet IS the best tv (http://www.hulu.com/house)
Dang dude I don't even have broadband.
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Plus Ozns are not civilized enough to watch Hulu.
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Well, not to be a padded postcount Slick, but all I was really trying to do was find the people on the boards who maybe felt the same way I did. I was going for support-group rather than ostracized and persecuted minority. I mean, even an epidemic of friendship needs a small cluster of initial cases.
Think of it like Go.
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I don't know about everyone else, but when I don't like something I stop doing that thing. (Except for y'know, work, but they pay me money, so it's a trade-off.) I'm not so much making a suggestion here as wondering why you'd want to hang around when there are probably plenty of other forums with communities of people you would be more interested in talking to. This isn't just you I am talking about, either. I've seen a few people saying similar things and I always wonder what is keeping them here bitching about cliques and indie hipsters and so forth. There are plenty of forum-fish in the internet-sea. You don't have to force your square peg into this round hole (and I mean, if you insist on doing so at least use some lube)
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It's not that I don't like it here. I just wanted to find some of the people here who had a lot in common with me, figuring that they'd be easier to talk to than the people (who seemed to make up the majority of the board population) whom I have little in common with.
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That is cool. Generally the way you do that though is by starting threads about things you like and seeing if other people talk about it. Forums are a game you kind of just play by ear. You don't really have to metagame them.
I think that at least one good thing came out of this thread though, and that is the physics/science thread.
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Okay, I think some of you are being a little too soft on this thread.
This thread screams "I want to be popular without having to actually work my way up a social ladder."
Seriously, if you can completely miss what is going on these forums as hard as this thread did, there's probably a very good reason you're not amongst the "in" crowd, such as there is one.
I will be the first to admit: yes, this forum is very clique-y. Nobody should bother denying it. There are many among us who get VERY defensive and start making in-jokes when occasional new folks who don't meet their criteria of strong boarding step even a toe out of line. I will readily admit I've been guilty of this more than my fair share.
That said, I think the guy completely missed the actual cliques. Yes, there are a fuck ton of us who speak routinely off the forum, have big rocking parties with each other and sleep on each others' couches. That doesn't happen because we like the right music or because we wear some certain style. Anyone who knows me on here knows that I'd have left here right quick if that were the case.
I wear T-Shirts and jeans, primarily. I loved Metallica's last album. I'm terrible at guitar, hate just about any film without major studio backing, play WoW and follow baseball religiously. That said, just about everyone on the forum who posts routinely knows who I am, be that for better or worse.
That's because this isn't High School. People aren't going to toss you out on your ear because you're not the model of their opinions. You know how I, as a person who doesn't share interests with a good chunk of the forum, got to be known on here? By actually talking to people and getting to know them rather than charging in and taking an "I don't need you" attitude.
That and I tend to yell a lot and just like being belligerent for the sake of it. People who do that go far in life.
OP I hope after reading this post you understand that all you have to do to fit in here is care way too much about an internet community for normal people to be comfortable with.
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I yell too much and I like being belligerant for the sake of it also.
This thread is why I like it here, not the starting of it, but the calm reasonable way everyone has posted after that. It's nice.
I like heavy as hell music (The only forumite I know personally I met at an Unsane show.) I mostly listen to soundtracks from the 80's & Stevie wonder records at the moment. I like Toto & Journey & Styx with no irony.
I do like comics & webcomics & marmite.
I also liked that there was a knitting thread, although as I don't knit socks or hats I tend not to go in there much (Also american knitting has different words. Confuses me.)
I find that the Geeky/Nerdy stuff is less fanboy, the music stuff less obnoxious and the silly stuff funnier. I like it here. I like the level headedness. I have no idea how much I have in common with more than maybe one person?
I can think of way worses places for being left out if you don't agree with certain members, that's why I don't post there anymore. I post here.
(I also think I may be a hipster, just not an indie one, I may need to seek help...)
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est, I have a tin ear and am terrible at judging stuff. I guess the creation of this thread proves that. Still, kinda cool to have something I did referred to as meta-gaming. Thanks!
Hat! Unfortunately I don't do obsession. I kinda do passionate but that's about it. Closest I ever came was Buffy... Although, come to think of it, I came out of that wit my best friends so... Ummm... Ok!
Eliza... What are you for, BTW? Are you an attempt at passing a Turing test? I like the way people are being polite. I may have committed a board faux-pas and been a trifle elitist seeming but people really have been nice about it.
I am now going to listen to some MC Hawking and YT Cracker, because Nerdcore is awesome. As are you guys.
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See, I like nerdcore, so there's something to have in common!
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I am not so fond of nerdcore (nerd rap, right?) but I do like 8-bit type stuff like Anamanaguchi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ4CaHqR4XI).
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I don't understand why people get so uppity about 'things they have in common.' Why can't people just hang out and be cool without having to put things in neat boxes?
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Yeah, I like more of the 8-bit stuff like Anamanaguchi and Bit Shifter, but I like MC Chris, who is nerdcore but not really rap.
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Why can't people just hang out and be cool without having to put things in neat boxes?
This is basically just paraphrasing what girls told me all through highschool :c
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Sometimes when you're going off on one about your conception of the ghetto in The Wire constituting a pre-modern space and how that relates to Zygmunt Bauman or you're half delirious because Martin Sorrondeguy just name-checked Gary Floyd on stage it's nice to be around people who don't give you a blank look.
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huh
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I like it here. I like the level headedness.
This might be the only place I've ever seen on the internet where people have admitted they might have been wrong. I was confused the first time I saw it.
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That Anamanaguchi's pretty good. Not sure I'd want to listen to it every day but it reminds me of my misspent ZX Spectrum youth.
I think people still freak out and get... Confrontational on here, I just think most of the time they realise that if they do, most of the other people will take a dim view of it. Social disapproval is a powerful motivator.
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all you have to do to fit in here is care way too much about an internet community for normal people to be comfortable with
I may have a new sig-quote. I rather like my existing one though. decisions
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normal people aren't generally comfortable with the idea of having people you know on the internet that you do not know in real life
so i guess if you actually post on here you fit the bill for that one
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"normal" people are boring!
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I think that at least one good thing came out of this thread though, and that is the physics/science thread.
I learned about 8-bit music. Another good thing! And then I wikipedia-surfed and found out that there are metalcore/8-bit bands and yesssss.
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You mean there's nintendocore bands that aren't Horse The Band?
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I'm wondering, has anyone come across any Engineer themed music? I've just been watching a few Doctor Who themed music videos on YouTube and there's some good musical selections. I am a scientist by the Dandy Warhols works well for the Doctor but now I'm hankering for a tune or two that works for Engineers.
It almost sounds like the sort of thing Abney Park might do but Airship Pirates wasn't that mechanically oriented.
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You mean there's nintendocore bands that aren't Horse The Band?
Are Horse the Band Nintendocore? One of those things sounds like something I like, the other is a band I know I'm not keen on.
Also Mark: I know what I'm for. you don't need to. :-) (Smiley inserted so sillyness can be confirmed and the joke is not confused for being obtuse or evasive.) I also want to know what you mean by Engineer themed music? I would suggest some soundtracks if you mean what I think you mean...(The commando theme tune has some awesome classical music sounding like mechanical things.)
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this is a thread for hanging out and chillin with your bros 8-) or lady bros :mrgreen: be cool everyone
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Thanks Eliza! It's really nice to know when someone's said something that she is definitely intending to be amusingly enigmatic. It's certainly a conversational weight off of my mind!
Music wise, "I am a scientist" or " She blinded me with science" or "Weird Science" are all science themed music. Things like "Man for all seasons" are James Bond themed music. I was just wondering if anyone had run into any "Engineers are awesome" music. Music that namechecks the profession essentially.
In other news? Last night's 'House' = Exceptional, if predictable.
Oh, and I'd like to second Johnny C's motion.
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I have
three two songs in my library that mention the word engineer, both Coheed and Cambria, and neither of them are particularly favourable :-( The third one is Anti-Flag, but the lyric is actually "engineered", a different thing all together. I must remember to put "" around search terms...
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I'd like to fill my mouth with Johnny C's dong.
couldn't resist
I tried, but then I gave in.
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Why resist? My current male fuck-buddy doesn't mind sharing, but let's not make it too stalkerish and creepy mm'kay?
:-D
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I'd like to fill my mouth with Johnny C's dong.
couldn't resist
I had to fill my mouth with Johnny C's dong.
FYP
Also, yes, House episode yesterday was really good. I'm thinking it might be one of the best seasons.
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johnny c's dong broke my jaw!
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I know what I'm for. you don't need to. :-)
Is it drinking?
I'm guessing it's drinking.
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Maybe.......
(I'm drinking right now, it's DD & everything.....)
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Oh how I wish I could be drinking, too. Instead, I've got to do quantum optics homework (which is really the opposite of drinking) that I don't really know how to do (I'm going to guess). It's so awesome and cold in my apartment that my fingers are having trouble moving.
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I should be writing reviews, I'm watching Demetri Martin on youtube and drinking beer, cheap beer, cheap tasty beer. It is fun, but not productive. I do however have warm fingers (Only because my housemate is away, so I've got the fire lit, yeah!)
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Oh man that sounds amazing. I love Demetri Martin. Also heat! They finally turned the heat on in my building and it is glorious.
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Liz, I agree with all of your statements. Well, I guess except for them turning the heat on in my building. I suppose they have in yours though, so there's that.
I put on some fingerless wool glove inserts that I bought for playing paintball (after getting hit in the hands a number of times). Typing in them feels hilarious. I don't have a fever, but my hands do feel just like two balloons.
Also, I might just give up on the homework though it's "due" tomorrow (it's just the professor grading our homeworks, and I he hasn't even handed back the one due two weeks ago, so I'm not sure if he actually does anything). Bombay Sapphire is calling me to make a martini.
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Maybe.......
(I'm drinking right now, it's DD & everything.....)
It's all about the Vitamin D. Except for what I'm drinking right now, deals on the 'boom at Netto innit, but that's still suitably LS6.
Bassist, Bombay Sapphire clearly has your best interests at heart. Go to her.
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No! I must at least attempt to do some of the homework! Must integrate now!
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No one cares about postcounts that much anymore?
Only because me, Johnny, Tommy and Joe have kicked your punk asses so hard that you all vomited up your spines with the leg bones still attached and you must now crawl around like fucked up worms, begging to be shot.
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Khar you are the forum poet
you are the driver
and we are on a word ride
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Well, unless being "other" means being a jack ass, then I totally get it.
I resent this.
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and we are on a word ride
All aboard the Lexememobile. Next stop: a new mimesis.
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its cool that you used a word like lexeme in a portmanteau for me but it would have been cooler if you'd acknowledged the Fresh Prince reference :(
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You mean there's nintendocore bands that aren't Horse The Band?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendocore
^^
Last.fm? Fuck that. Wikipedia is the shit when it comes to finding similar music.
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I only drink once a year but I have to say I can't tell the difference between cheap and expensive beer. They all taste pretty much the same to me.
Fingerless gloves... I have them but they just make my fingertips feel even colder than not wearing gloves in the first place.
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I dunno, I'm pretty sure that even the most inexperienced drinker could tell the difference between Laker Lager and, say, Corona or Guiness. I'm guessing maybe you just haven't had any truly terrible beers yet.
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I dunno, I'm pretty sure that even the most inexperienced drinker could tell the difference between Laker Lager and, say, Corona or Guiness. I'm guessing maybe you just haven't had any truly terrible beers yet.
what kind of name is "Laker Lager" for a good beer
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what's wrong with corona and guiness? they are the good beers in that sentence
Laker Lager is some putrid shit that costs a buck a beer
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if plenty of people can't tell the difference between corona and a legitimately good beer (and plenty can't, I assure you as a professional) why would you expect they'd be able to tell the difference between a corona and whatever hillbilly beer you're talking about?
do you follow me
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I follow you saying corona is a crappy beer, and so it will not taste that much different from other crappy beers yess.
I'd ask what you think is an awesome beer but it will probably consist of mostly stuff from microbreweries and that will make me sad because I think I live pretty far from you, and so won't be able to get them.
actually, do you know any good canadian beers, then.
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What I hate most about corona is the clear bottles, a tragic choice for a beer that's likely to be left in the sun by dopey freshman.
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I dunno, I regard Corona with lime as being a good "restaurant beer". There's no chance of it getting you even slightly tipsy (and I'm a lightweight), and at the same time, it tastes completely inoffensive. win/win in that situation.
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I follow you saying corona is a crappy beer, and so it will not taste that much different from other crappy beers yess.
I'd ask what you think is an awesome beer but it will probably consist of mostly stuff from microbreweries and that will make me sad because I think I live pretty far from you, and so won't be able to get them.
no I actually drink Tooheys extra dry because it comes out of the tap cold and is cheap and if you bring a carton of it to a party nobody is going to call you a cheapskate or alternatively a poofter.
What I am saying is that how much beer you drink doesn't necessarily reflect your ability to make distinctions between different beers at all regardless of quality.
For example the other week some idiot hooked up a keg of XXXX to the Coopers Pale Ale line (I guess I would consider that a legitimately good beer, I don't go in for microbrews because I don't have money and also don't really drink beer that much) and it stayed that way for a few hours until someone finally complained. It took about three hours for someone to notice the difference between two beers that not only taste very different, but also look nothing alike.
I'm saying that the vast majority of people do not give a shit about how beer tastes, is what I am saying. It's awesome if you can or at the very least have intentions to learn how though! Pro tip if you decide to become a beer wanker: If someone says they do not really like beer that much, do not insist they try whatever weird micro brew you are into lately before that opinion can be considered legitimate. Nobody likes that guy.
What I hate most about corona is the clear bottles, a tragic choice for a beer that's likely to be left in the sun by dopey freshman.
On the flipside what I like the most about Corona is the cartons are stapled on the bottom meaning that I move house exclusively using them as boxes nowadays.
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Fair enough. the only experience that I was speaking from was my own, and that based on having the two different kinds of beers one directly after another (and before I had drunk anything else. Beer tending to taste even more the same when you're drunk, obviously)
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see only people who want to be beer wankers actually drink like that.
(if you are offended by the term "beer wanker" it is just because it's a lot easier to type than "beer connoisseur")
Also I don't know why a Corona would get you any less drunk than any other full strength beer, but that is psychology coming into play I guess.
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funny, I really almost never drink. And it wasn't so much an active decision as finishing one beer and then accepting a glass of some random beer from a friend.
anyways, I'm sorry for derailing this thread so much
on the upside, I feel more at home on here when I'm slightly tipsy (ie. right now) than I did sober. yay
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COMMON INTERESTS: GETTIN SHITFACED
I'm going to go make a Yule Mule or something.
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Telling the difference between Bitters, Stouts and Lagers is one thing, but then you have the difference between, say Budweiser and Stella Artois, Heineken or Kronenberg 1664. I did hear somewhere that the recommended temperature for serving beer is the same as the temperature at which your tastebuds begin to lose their ability to differentiate flavour so it minimizes the bitter taste.
Might as well just get a Cider.
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Oooh yeah, cider. I really can tell the difference between brands of cider...my preference usually leans towards the dry end, but usually all you can get in pubs round here is Bulmer's or Strongbow, and they are basically the same. :-(
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Better than what you get in the US. Most people here like sugary things, so "dry" is used only to describe an empty glass of cider here, unfortunately. I am a beer wanker, but I only like beer that tastes good. I don't give a shit how "rare" or "exclusive" or micro-brew-y it is. I just want something that I enjoy, which ends up being a lot of different types. Though, for cheap beer I'm going to actually take the "hipster" route and go with PBR. It's really not as bad as the price suggests.
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I actually always fight with my friends about how PBR is better than any of the other cheap beers.
Bastards (you too, Shane).
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Corona is a dredful beer, Guiness is a pretty terrible stout (Although I drink it a lot as it's available.)
I would also like to state that the botanicals in Bombay make it just about the WORST gin for a martini, although it is very nice in a not Gordons sort of a way. That is not just my opinion it is mixologist fact.
The beer was drinking is sort of like PBR but for one specific postcode of one city in the North of England. Orangeboom can be awesome on draught and truly lovely, but it's always dirt cheap in a can, doesn't taste the same, but drinkable. I miss Netto booze deals & I miss Buckfast, drinking all this classy stuff is no fun...(Hence the Vit D)
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actually, do you know any good canadian beers, then.
Depends on where you are in Canada. In Quebec - Unibroue makes a number of quality beers, with varying levels of alcoholic content (La Fin du Monde for a fun night). St. Ambroise makes some which are fairly good, particularly St Ambroise Noir (my favourite stout?). Skipping over to B.C. - I'm a big fan of some of the beers by the Granville Island Brewing (better for easy drinking, sweeter beers, like their Robson Street Hefeweizen, Cypress Honey Lager, and Kitsilano Maple Cream Ale), Phillips Brewing (they make a tremendous IPA, one of my favourite beers), and Cannery Brewing (Naramata Nut Brown Ale is a very good dark ale, and the Anarchist Amber Ale is also excellent).
I know very very little about beer elsewhere in Canada. Unless you want to talk about Moosehead or Alexander Keith's or something.
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a local brewery around here makes this shit called Sculler's Reserve, and it is basically all the pain and anguish from the history of mankind distilled into something resembling a beer.
i think it's actually made by having some homeless guy drink a bunch of shitty IPAs from the store and then piss into bottles that say "Scullers" on them.
not recommended unless you are a masochist with almost no taste buds.
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Guiness... I drink it a lot as it's available.
I will never ever stop being amazed that I once encountered a bartender who didn't know how to pronounce Guiness.
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Of course, he might have been fine with Guinness...
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what this thread needs (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,8009.msg240148.html#msg240148)
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Great, now we're setting up Death Panels to decide which posters live and which die.
What's next? Gay marriage or Evolution taught as a science subject!
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No need for a panel to decide, dice will do.
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You get to roll 2d6 + bluff. You need 10 to survive.
(we weed out the weak).
EDIT: wank.
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You get to role 2d6
Careful bucko, spelling and grammatical mistakes count against you next time we're deciding who to stone to death.
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That is a -2 penalty for your check boy!
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Of course, he might have been fine with Guinness...
Typo not spelling error, I feel I must make that clear. Also how on earth do you mispronounce guinness?
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Guy-ness?
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I think she said something like "jew-ness." Which, upon reflection, wow.
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I came up with the idea of "Temp-ban Tuesdays", which is fairly self explanatory, but it would probably just end up with est tempbanning all the QCD people in a fit of rage.
Actually, I can't see any problems with this. VOTE 1, TEMPBAN TUESDAYS!
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I think she said something like "jew-ness." Which, upon reflection, wow.
I'm saying it like that from now on. I say it a lot also
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I would also like to state that the botanicals in Bombay make it just about the WORST gin for a martini, although it is very nice in a not Gordons sort of a way. That is not just my opinion it is mixologist fact.
This is the wrongest anyone has ever been in the history of making statements. It makes Sapphire the best gin for a martini. I prefer Hendrick's in a gin and tonic (garnish with a cucumber!), and pretty much everything else is only okay when you disguise it under mountains of tonic water and limes. Though, once I played a gig on an off-night for the bar and so there was no one there. I did a triple shot of speed shelf gin. It was awesome.
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I mentioned earlier my taste for more, ahem, aggressive styles of music. There's now a thread for that here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,23969.0.html).
Probably not many people's cup of tea but hey, in for a penny in for a punching.
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Is it okay when i see hipster douchefag i want to kill him/her.
this is how i would do it.
1. i pull his/hers finger and toe nails off
2. rip his/hers ears off
3. pull his/hers teeth out one by one
after this physical violence will begin.
(may include power tools)
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Of course it's not wrong. I feel like that whenever I see a chav...which happens all too often :-(
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Just be sure of yourselves guys. Imagine how bad you'd feel if you went and killed a Nobel Peace Prize winner on their way to a costume party!
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Guiness is a pretty terrible stout (Although I drink it a lot as it's available.)
This is because a) you are not in Ireland (although this might not be anywhere near as important as people make out) and b) most places do not have a clue as to how to serve a proper pint of Guinness (this is unfortunately common even within five miles of the Guinness brewery). I can count the number of times I've had a truly great pint of Guinness (as opposed to a nice one) on the fingers of one hand. But when it is right, it is the thing that is most right in the entire world.
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You gotta trust a man with a handlebar mustache.
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I pride myself on my Guinness serving skills. Actually I pride myself on all my serving skills, even double vodka redbull, and fuck double vodka redbull.
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Man trusting every single dude who has a handlebar mustache seems like a recipe for disaster to me
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(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8696/officespacelawrence.jpg) (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/officespacelawrence.jpg/)
Always trust the stache.
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(http://www.standard.net.au/multimedia/images/full/152614.jpg)
look at this big ol lug
don't you just want to hug him?
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Guiness is a pretty terrible stout (Although I drink it a lot as it's available.)
This is because a) you are not in Ireland (although this might not be anywhere near as important as people make out) and b) most places do not have a clue as to how to serve a proper pint of Guinness (this is unfortunately common even within five miles of the Guinness brewery). I can count the number of times I've had a truly great pint of Guinness (as opposed to a nice one) on the fingers of one hand. But when it is right, it is the thing that is most right in the entire world.
Yes, yes & yes, although I was taught by a brewery representitive how to keep & pour it when I worked in a multiple CAMRA award winning pub, which has helped me in every bar/pub I've worked in or run. I've had compliments so I guess I do OK, but I do think other stouts are under-rated. There are some amazing ones that don't even get served in places. It's like Strongbow is a terrible cider but it get's served everywhere.
Bassist - I could explain exactly why Bombay doesn't work, but I could go with the general rule: The more complex the flavours in a gin the worse it is for Martinis, in general the the Dutch/dutch style gins are best as they are for the most part simpler in flavour which means the vermouth & whatever else you use to mix it (Twists, olives, onions etc.) can come through. Most of the flavours within bombay get drowned out, esp if you use a twist. It's the same as putting lime/lemon in Hoegarden, kills off the flavour. (Yes this is the short answer)
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Well, you see, my martinis are dry. Really dry. Almost Churchill dry. And straight-up, because of exactly what you said. Basically, I'm drinking Sapphire, with a slight hint of vermouth, because just a slight hint goes a long way towards flavoring it, and doesn't get rid of the awesomeness of Sapphire.
By the way, do you only drink Sapphire straight, then?
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Just out of curiosity, what *is* the correct way to serve a proper pint of Guinness? I doubt I'll ever need the information but you never know. It might save someone's life some day.
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http://www2.guinness.com/en-CA/Pages/thebeer-draught.aspx
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Hmmm... That's mostly how I already poured beer, but I must admit stopping near the top, allowing the bubbles to settle and then topping up to create the dome is a neat trick. I'll have to remember that one.
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Damn, I thought everyone knew that's how you poured Guinness.
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A lot of people don't do a two part pour.
A lot of people don't tip the glass. Ever. For anything. It makes me want to do murders.
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It would make me want to do murders, too! Luckily I've never encountered any bar staff who make me want to do murders for pouring Guinness wrong. Only for doing other things wrong.
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I know nothing about beer and even I know that's how you're supposed to pour it. Instinct?
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Culture!
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That was a lot easier than I expected. I thought it had something to do with the shamrock in the foam.
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Just out of curiosity, what *is* the correct way to serve a proper pint of Guinness? I doubt I'll ever need the information but you never know. It might save someone's life some day.
The last pint of Guinness I had was poured very wrong, and somehow ended up with a very foamy head. I still can't figure it out.
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That was a lot easier than I expected. I thought it had something to do with the shamrock in the foam.
If you're in Ireland and they put the shamrock in your foam it's practically an insult. It's a tourist thing.
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Yeah the shamrock thing also might be signal to have yr ass beat in some shadier areas so I hear.
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I've heard about a shamrock, but I never really believed it. How would that happen? Do you have a special shamrock-shaped implement? Do you use your fingers? Because I've seen where bartenders hands go, and I don't want their fingers in my drink (no offense, it's just the nature of the job).
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You draw it when you're topping it up, after you've left it to settle. All you have to do is draw the shape by moving the glass under the tap so the flow makes it for you.
It really is the sign of some faux oirish theme pub though. You do get some people who can draw actually entertaining stuff, and that's acceptable, just not the shamrock.
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I've been to some terrible fake oirish pubs (one which was run by a middle eastern guy?), but I've never experienced that.
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I think it looks pretty neat though, I would be amused if I got one.
(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii65/kegs1987/Irish%20Stuff/guinnessclover.jpg)
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You need to spend more time at Date-Rape O'Reilly's on George Street. Aka Paddy McGuire's.
(don't really though it's a terrible pub and you'll get glassed)
(edit: actually technically you'd get "plastic'ed" as they banned glass from the pub I think)
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I would be much more entertained if they drew hairy male genitalia in the foam.
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If I was going to have anything drawn in the top of my Guinness (not that I really drink Guinness) I'd want this little chap.
(http://www.pubworldmemorabilia.com/shopimages/metalsigns/GUINNESS/G016-Guinness-Toucan.jpg)
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Also I've just realised that if that were to scale that toucan would be the size of a man jesus christ
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Ok, firstly if you're a hipster who likes Neutral Milk Hotel, Modest Mouse, Slint or Sufjan Stevens then you shouldn't be here.
Well I like Modest Mouse and Sufjan Stevens, but I don't really think I am a hipster.
Likewise, if you wear ultra-skinny clothing, look half starved, have an Indy Rock look or, in general, identify with the lead characters in Questionable Content then this probably isn't for you.
I look half starved and some of my clothes are ultra-skinny, but this is mostly not by choice.
This might sound weird but it's true. My name's Mark and I really don't belong here.
Cearly you don't.
What he said.
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You need to spend more time at Date-Rape O'Reilly's on George Street. Aka Paddy McGuire's.
(don't really though it's a terrible pub and you'll get glassed)
(edit: actually technically you'd get "plastic'ed" as they banned glass from the pub I think)
Or not. An amusing "Irish Pub" opened up down the street from me and practically right next door to an authentic English pub (actually run by British people!) and it's hilarious. The food is actually pretty delicious, but I just can't go there because it's occupied by the type of people douchebag frat and sorority people become after they graduate.
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Most of the bad pubs here got their reputations because of the groups of football supporters who'd make them a home base. The publicans couldn't really ban them because of all the money they brought in (and often they were supporters themselves). The non-football-supporting pubs tend to be safer, until you get into sketchy areas. Sadly we've lost three of our local pubs lately. One was busted for drugs and two others just closed down because of the recession. Such a shame.
Now if you're really into pub violence, you need to go drinking in Glasgow. Just be sure to update your will before you go.
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I would be much more entertained if they drew hairy male genitalia in the foam.
I have done this to a stranger before.
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Also I've just realised that if that were to scale that toucan would be the size of a man jesus christ
Maybe it is a schooner? I know, it seems unlikely.
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Wrong shape. Also who the hell drinks Guinness from a schooner?
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Probably the Queen Mother did now I come to think of it.
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I am just lying to myself so I can sleep at night, without images of the man-toucan swimming in the corners of my eyes.
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The beak is the size of your torso. It is useful for reaching the toucans favourite food, the unborn children of fallen nuns.
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Surely the queen mother drinks guinness from a slipper.
Also apparently Toucans can use their beaks to radiate heat to cool down the rest of their bodies. So that one would practically be a Toucan death-ray.
(this is actually true, I have a video of a toucan radiating heat somewhere)
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The Queen mother drank Guinness from a Frenchman's stovepipe hat. She killed the chap before they let her marry the King and she kept the hat as a souvenir. The hat holds almost two gallons and the Queen mother would chug it all in one go. There's a reason she lived as long as she did!
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Bassist: By choice I wouldn't drink Bombay. I normally have Hendricks for normals & Tanqueray for Martinis, then not amazingly nice gins/whatever is cheap in Macro for with tonics. But is because I am mostly poor.
The shamrock thing is to show it's been poured properly (Or that's what I've been told by people who work for the company)
I used to write C**T in a customers pint of the black stuff everyday for the whole time I worked in one pub. He was an actual neo Nazi mind, had some fairly offensive tattoos. He didn't notice.
I also worked with a guy who could put skulls, bats & spiders webs & other things in pints, it became like a game. The bar was a theme pub so it sort of worked & the Guinness wasn't kept well enough for me to feel bad about the sacrilegious-ness.
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So wait, has the thread for people who don't belong here turned into an alcohol appreciation thread?
On a related note: it has been shown that alcohol abstainers are more likely to be depressed.
Woo!
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Caffreys and other Irish bitters are much better than Guinness anyway.
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So wait, has the thread for people who don't belong here turned into an alcohol appreciation thread?
That is the natural progression of things.
On a related note: it has been shown that alcohol abstainers are more likely to be depressed.
That makes sense. I'm depressed when I'm sober.
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Sadly, apparently it also applies to heavy drinkers (http://www.ntnu.no/news/drinking-and-depression)
Boo!
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But what if I drink lightly......all the time?
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Drinking in moderation is not unheathy
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But what if I drink lightly......all the time?
Tried this, drinking just enought o take the edge of in the morning, then continuing for the rest of the day. Ended up blowing my entire paycheck on alcohol for my last 4 years of college. Drinking a little bit all day is a hell of a lot of booze.
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Last four years of college? How many years did it take you?
Also, it does take a lot of money. I tend not to drink that much most of the time, and as such have been stockpiling some booze, so I'm ready to go now that my mid-semester "I'm totally going to fail because I have no idea what's going on" depression is hitting. Funny, I thought that once I had a couple of bachelor's degrees, that would stop.
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I'm pretty generally happy these days and I don't drink!
Then again, I do miss out on the opportunity to have little pictures drawn in the froth on top of my drinks. Perhaps I should drink more cappucino?
I went for a job interview at a cafe once and one of the tests was drawing a little chocolatey swirl on top of the hot chocolate. I didn't get the job.
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Since this thread has turned into a congragational area for drinkers, I have to wonder: How many among you all actually waited till drinking was legal?
*is a 19-year-old American who has yet to taste anything stronger than root beer*
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I started and stopped the same year. Age 16 (The legal age in the UK being 18).
Decided it was a bad idea and quit.
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Necro much?
I don't know when I started trying different drinks. I was definitely doing it by age 18; usually during family get-togethers. I started drinking on my own at age 19 and haven't looked back. It's just so damned tasty.
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I am a good american alcoholic. My first booze (that wasn't given me by my parents) was at a party when I was 13.
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i waited until i was 21. most of my friends didn't, though.
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I didn't drink until about three months shy of my twenty-second birthday. It wasn't due to any respect to the law or anything, I just really wasn't interested at that phase of my life.
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I first had my first drink at a swim team party in college when I was a freshman at the age of 18. Then I had my second through eight drinks and got violently ill. Good times.
It's not "initiation" it's team togetherness.
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Got riotously drunk for the first time July 4th '03, so I was 15 then. My brother took me to a small party over at some older friend's house and they thought it would be funny to get the teenager drunk. I'm happy to say I know how to drink moderately though.
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I first got drunk at 14, but I didn't drink a lot until I was 16. Even then I limited myself to one night a weekend, every other week.
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I first drank when I was 17 and continued to get incredibly drunk at every high school party I attended. By the time I was 18 I'd stopped drinking and I haven't had anything to drink (nothing alcoholic obviously) since then. So 5 years wheee?
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First drunk at age 17.
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I had a few sips of drinks when I was 16/17, but I didn't really have that much interest in the whole thing, even after I turned 18 and could go to the pub. I still don't drink that much, but do every now and then. I have still never gotten blackout drunk, or thrown up from drinking, and am planning to keep it that way. I also have never had a bad hangover, even when I got close to vomit-drunk; just a little headache the next day.
One of the things I worry about if I have kids is that they will be the kinds of kids that go and get smashed in a park every night, because I have no idea how I would deal with all that.
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first time i got drunk was at summer gymnastics camp with my best friend, a girl from far away who i was totally in love with, and a couple of our camp counselors.
i think i was probably 15 or 16. it was the summer between freshman and sophomore year of highschool.
anyway, we had a blast and it was totally awesome and me that girl ended up furiously making out for the remainder of camp (like, one or two days :-() and of course i proceeded to be a brilliant American teenager and get blacked out every weekend for the following several years.
nowadays i almost never drink. not because i'm morally opposed to it or anything, i just rarely want to drink but if i do, i will. it's a rare enough occurrence that i can't begrudge myself that "luxury."
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I think the first time I got really drunk was probably somewhere around 14/15? I stopped drinking for about 6 months when I was 19 when I realized that about 3/4 of the time I drank I went too far and wound up blacking out.
These days I pretty much consider drinking regularly (as in at least 1/2 the week) a necessity for making it through grad school.
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One of the things I worry about if I have kids is that they will be the kinds of kids that go and get smashed in a park every night, because I have no idea how I would deal with all that.
I was just considering this for myself this morning.
First things first, I realised that there's really not much that I can say to discourage a teenager from doing something if they've really got their mind set on it. Second, I don't think I have that much of a problem with my hypothetical kid getting drunk at, say, 16 at a party with friends and hopefully by this point I'll have taught them enough common sense to not go overboard (hopefully hopefully). Anyway the best advice I could say is just to ask them to think carefully about what they're like when they are drunk, and if sober them would want to hang out with drunk them. At least, that's what got me to stop getting shitfaced all of the time.
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Get them drunk silly and take video. That should shame them.
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I started getting drunk on a regular basis when I was 14. When I was almost 17 I was getting filthy drunk on a regular basis, and doing very stupid things. Then when one morning when I woke up with no recollection of the night before, covered in vomit and having to pay for a bunch of things that we had broken I realised I should probably tone it back.
Most of my problems were probably more closely related to who I chose to hang around with than the alcohol though.
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I feel like I'm extraordinarily sober now. Dammit.
1 year, 9 months, and 8 more days to go...
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16, and been drinking more often and lesser amounts ever since.
Not blacked out yet, but have puked. It's not nice when you realize that the floor is moving while lying down, and you really, really have to puke even though you don't really know how to get up from where you are.
Won't repeat that anytime soon, at least.
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I've never drunk, although I would say that coming to uni has made me more acutely aware of how unusual that is than ever. It isn't that people generally pressure me, because most people are mature enough to respect other people's choices, it's just that everything social centres around alcohol somehow (and even the things that don't, like ice hockey and dance, have occasional boozy nights).
I am old enough to drink, though. It must be crazy to be at uni and not be legally allowed to have a beer.
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It must be crazy to be at uni and not be legally allowed to have a beer.
Depending on where you go, it doesn't really matter. Where I went, it just results in fines for people who can't run fast enough when the cops come to a party. Or the acquisition of a good fake ID (mine once fooled a vice squad officer).
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One of the things I worry about if I have kids is that they will be the kinds of kids that go and get smashed in a park every night, because I have no idea how I would deal with all that.
I was just considering this for myself this morning.
First things first, I realised that there's really not much that I can say to discourage a teenager from doing something if they've really got their mind set on it. Second, I don't think I have that much of a problem with my hypothetical kid getting drunk at, say, 16 at a party with friends and hopefully by this point I'll have taught them enough common sense to not go overboard (hopefully hopefully). Anyway the best advice I could say is just to ask them to think carefully about what they're like when they are drunk, and if sober them would want to hang out with drunk them. At least, that's what got me to stop getting shitfaced all of the time.
I've been wondering about this a lot lately. I drink fairly often (to the point of trashed once or twice a month) and smoke a lot of weed, but I feel like I've turned out a decently responsible and self-aware teenager. I would dig it if my kids ended up that way.
Thing is, my mother is a strict-ish conservative Russian lady. I feel like it was the way she raised me (with a zero-tolerance policy for any drugs and a lax attitude towards alcohol provided she trusted me), and not the influence my friends had on me, that shaped my attitude towards recreational substances.
I would be content if my kids knew how to have a good fucking time but also when to stop. I would be totally cool with smoking with them (I don't know if I'm going to smoke often for the rest of my life but I treat it as a pleasant habit rather than a way to get fucked up so I'm fairly certain I'll always be fine with it) when they got to be around my age.
The only problem is, kids with cool parents grow up to be douchebags! The coolest kids I know all have somewhat conservative parents and they balanced that influence with their desire to escape the bubble it caused. I worry that if I choose to be a (responsible, loving) friend to my kids rather than an authority figure, they will grow up to be worthless prats.
Is being a hypocrite the only proper way to raise your children?
Thoughts?
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I'm 17 and I've never been really drunk and I hardly ever drink. My parents think I am slightly weird because of this and are always going on about how they used to go to the pub every week when they were 16+. I would get drunk every
week night if I had friends who wanted to but they all have quite strict parents and we're not cool enough to get invited to parties.
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The only problem is, kids with cool parents grow up to be douchebags! The coolest kids I know all have somewhat conservative parents and they balanced that influence with their desire to escape the bubble it caused. I worry that if I choose to be a (responsible, loving) friend to my kids rather than an authority figure, they will grow up to be worthless prats.
Is being a hypocrite the only proper way to raise your children?
If you are enough of a friend to your children, then they will respect you enough to listen when you tell them to be sensible. It is possible to be a cool parent while still looking out for your kids.
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Yeah see the problem of "cool" parents is they often aren't "good" parents, even though it's entirely possible to be both.
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He's totally dark man. He's wearing sneakers with a suit!
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I looked everywhere to find a youtube vid for that when I was typing my last post. Thx for havin my back doggs
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Yeah see the problem of "cool" parents is they often aren't "good" parents, even though it's entirely possible to be both.
This is reasonably true but man, my friend has the coolest parents and he and his siblings are all totally awesome people who are totally together (my friend and his brother are finishing music degrees from a fancy school and are managing one of Sydney's more successful metal bands, which they are both in, my friend's sister is studying film production at another fancy school) and the parents are just the raddest folk ever. I wish they were my parents :(
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My parents are incredibly cool in that they are not "cool" at all, but they let me have my freedom. I know right from wrong and I always call, I've never been in trouble with the authorities and I've never been hospitalized because of my own stupidity - so they trust me.
Also my stepmom is only 35 and yeah, she's actually cooler than me.
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Yeah see the problem of "cool" parents is they often aren't "good" parents, even though it's entirely possible to be both.
My dad put it rather well:
As a parent, you have more important shit to do than being your kid's best friend. Once they've managed to survive past eighteen, moved out, and stopped using all of your electricity, then it's cool to go get drunk with them.
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My worst too much alcohol story, and I think I've told it before maybe? but I was 19 home for Easter break with a 1.75 of Southern Comfort. We got to the party at 11pm, and I was home at 1:10am. I was just chugging the stuff straight, the last thing I remember was my friend Betsy saying "woah you should maybe slow down" and I'm like "WHAAAAAAAAAAaat! EVER this shit is so good and I can totally handle it yo!" I woke up the next morning with burns on my hand and my butt hurt really bad. I called the people I was with, asked them about my burnt hand. "Yeah you fell in the bonfire", oh like I tripped? "No, you were just standing there when you crumpled and fell backwards into the fire. Justine pulled you out, and you handed the bottle to Sydney and said 'I don't think I want this anymore'". Okay so why does my butt hurt? "You decided you had to puke, so you opened the car door and rolled out when we were taking you home." At a stop sign or something? "Nope. We were driving down the gravel road going like 35 or so and you basically rolled out of the car. I think we'd slowed down when you opened the door though". I don't remember any of that, but I do remember my friends handing me to my mom and me crying at her telling her "I don't want to die I don't want to die I don't want to die I love you I don't want to die... I think I drank too much mom. I love you, and I don't want to die" I think I thought I either had alcohol poisoning or had convinced myself I was gonna go Bon Scott style.
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Once again, the BBC proffers a relevant article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8348938.stm). It is as if they read this forum and then write the news especially for us!
Edit: is "proffers" actually a word?
Edit edit: Yup, apparently so.
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Is being a hypocrite the only proper way to raise your children?
Thoughts?
In my experience, it really hurts, actually. I suppose you don't mean being hypocritical literally, however. I had terrible parents though, so what do I know?
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http://www.cracked.com/article/195_7-things-good-parents-do-that-screw-kids-up-life/ (http://www.cracked.com/article/195_7-things-good-parents-do-that-screw-kids-up-life/)
As a companion to the beeb article...My parents did an awesome job of being honest yet strict about about drugs & drinking. Shame I ruined it by having a drug habit....(Recovered)
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Adding my two cents...
When I have kids I fully intend to be a parent and not a friend - however, I'm not going to be like my parents are. I don't want my kids so intimidated by me that they feel they have to hide every aspect of their lives outside of the house. I would like to think that I'll be loving, supportive, and understanding - but not a push over. Oh, and when I'm proud of my kids, I will tell them. When I'm disappointed, I will let them know but I won't hold it over their heads. When they've royally screwed up, I'll let them know but I won't hold it over their heads.
(BTW - the hiding every aspect of your life outside the house from your parents, whom you still live with, will catch up to you. When it does, it will not be pretty. Sadly, I speak from experience...but at the same time, once it does explode out into the open things seem to be a lot less stressful.)
La
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I would like to think that I'll be loving, supportive, and understanding - but not a push over.
Excellent. But just don't think it'll be easy!
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Don't listen to him, just because he is a shitty father doesn't mean parenting is hard for everyone.
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We will, each of us who are not already parents, most likely fail as parents in ways that our parents didn't. This is preordained. If your parents were too strict, you will most likely be too permissive. If your parents were all fucked up on ludes, you will freak out when you find your kid with a joint. The goal is not to be a perfect parents, it's to fail as little as possible. It's to have your kids think of you generally as sources of moral support, as positive forces in their lives, even if the relationship is bloody hindering awkward.
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well someone has a mysterious past
*shifty eyes* Mysterious, indeed. If I told ya, I'd have to kill ya and all that fun stuff...
...ok, so, not really, but that's still fun to say.
My parents are overbearing, judgmental, and anyone that disagrees with their point of view is an idiot. I just am trying to cut down on the complaining I do about them.
La
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a shitty father
Eh, grandfather.