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I beat you guys and gals to it every year. It is snowing here in Kajaani, Finland. Probably because I live so near the arctic circle. :P Time to dig out the winter-gear and go about my business as usual.
Edit. BAM! Pic to show that I'm not lying.
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt315/ReipasTytto/th_DSCF0794.jpg) (http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt315/ReipasTytto/DSCF0794.jpg)
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This thread is depressing
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Yeah, for serious.
Today was the first fall, chilly, day. And I'm glad for that. I love fall. It could last forever. I'm fine with winter being far off.
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I should move back to Kajaani.
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Today was the first cloudy day we had in a while... We had a fantastic summer though.
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the high temperature here is only going to be about 78 or so today, so its starting to get chilly here too.
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I should move back to Kajaani.
Why the hell did you move to Helsinki anyway? You're not even studying architecture.
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Fall is officially here. I am standing outside, smoking a clove, wearing my brown sweater, looking over the city. This is what you do in fall. Now I need to get a bike and ride through the park singing Dresden Dolls. That is the next fall activity.
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Its still over 90F degrees out. Fuck all yall who get to wear cold weather clothes.
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gah, I really hope it doesn't snow soon here in Toronto.
If I had it my way it would be fall and spring all year long.
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gah, I really hope it doesn't snow soon here in Toronto.
If I had it my way it would be fall and spring all year long.
If you lived here, you would not want that. Basically fall and spring here means wet snow, strong winds and rain. That really sucks and everyone would be sick all the time. But then again, maybe we would build super-human strenght against flu. Who knows?
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Low temperatures and rain. So cold in my house that I'm wearing my favorite hoodie to keep myself warm.
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It's warm again here, yay!
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Snowed in CO last week.
Bitch.
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Dang.
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Snowed in CO last week.
Bitch.
Yeah, I heard about that. You're in Springs, right? Up near Divide they had ten inches. Further north, we have only had chilly weather, which I can't say I minded, it gives me an excuse to wear heavier jackets. But now we are back to hot weather, gotta love our indecisive weather.
We'll probably have a half a foot of snow on Halloween.
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You're lucky to have half a foot of snow on halloween. We have a saying in Finland: "Finnish summer is short and has less snow than during winters." Which actually is pretty much correct. We had snow during June, but only for couple of days.
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Most wonderful weather this week.
http://www.weather.com/outlook/homeandgarden/home/tenday/29154?from=36hr_topnav_home
Sooooo good.
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also fuck you, i have not seen snow in 8 years.
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That's because everyone knows that the south sucks.
Even though I do like visiting Georgia around Christmas. It is warm enough that you don't really need a jacket, even if you are going to be outside for a while, and it is nice and grey, we get almost constant sunshine, even during winter. Downside: one day there was thick enough fog to make a gas station sign thirty feet away invisible, starting about six inches off of the ground.
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also fuck you, i have not seen snow in 8 years.
When I lived in Charleston, it snowed once. It was in a suburb that was technically part of the city (West Ashley, if anybody knows Charleston), didn't stick and was at 5am. My parents called about the snow because they had seen it on the national news.
Also, the south is fucking awesome.
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If you like fucking your way through your family tree.
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Oh ha ha ha stereotypes
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lol snow
I can't even remember the last time it rained in Northern California.
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If you like fucking your way through your family tree.
...and?
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And god damn good chicken.
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That's because everyone knows that the south sucks.
Even though I do like visiting Georgia around Christmas. It is warm enough that you don't really need a jacket, even if you are going to be outside for a while, and it is nice and grey, we get almost constant sunshine, even during winter. Downside: one day there was thick enough fog to make a gas station sign thirty feet away invisible, starting about six inches off of the ground.
Are you kidding? It gets just cold enough to be miserable because it is so damp, but it never freezes. So when it does rain it is frigid, but usually it is just humid out, which means the dampness gets into your clothes and bones and it is just gross. You can bundle up against bitter cold, but this? No way.
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Oh ha ha ha stereotypes
We do have very good chicken. And food in general.
And the incest isn't as rampant here as I'm guessing it would be further south.
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It's about time. It was so hot and muggy here this summer. Bring on the snow, ice and cold!
I am built for cutting wood in the snow. Standing up and grimly starring into the cold wasteland as ice forms on my manly beard. Stoically I size up the situation, if we are to survive another frostbitten night we have to have food...and there are no more horses.
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Are you kidding? It gets just cold enough to be miserable because it is so damp, but it never freezes. So when it does rain it is frigid, but usually it is just humid out, which means the dampness gets into your clothes and bones and it is just gross. You can bundle up against bitter cold, but this? No way.
Look, I live in a part of the country where it is 50 degrees or so most of the time from October to April, not always, because the weather is erratic, but most of the time. Last frost happens in late may. In the Atlanta area, it barely ever even gets below 50 degrees in late December, early January. I'm fine with the humidity, that makes it a nice cool rainy day for someone from Colorado. I just can't stand it when it gets to be 80 or 90 degrees and humid, which is why I never visit in the summer if I have anything to say about it.
I mainly like what parts I do like about the south because my grandparents and people like them are there. The old southern gentlemen/ladies, not the kind that mutter under their breath about how in their day, the coloreds had to sit in the back of the bus, but the well-spoken, well-educated, refined southerners.
Well, and because Appalachia has some beautiful scenery (actual scenery, like the mountains and trees. I'm not talking about the people).
And the sweet tea, even though more places west of the Mississippi are recognizing the value of that.
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And the incest isn't as rampant here as I'm guessing it would be further south.
It's actually all in West Virginia.
Also, the pig is really good in parts of the south (North Carolina).
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I prefer not to interact with police at all, personally. Unless they are off-duty.
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It's about time. It was so hot and muggy here this summer. Bring on the snow, ice and cold!
I am built for cutting wood in the snow. Standing up and grimly starring into the cold wasteland as ice forms on my manly beard. Stoically I size up the situation, if we are to survive another frostbitten night we have to have food...and there are no more horses.
More tips to survive cold weather: drink lots of water, don't use soap, hot water, shaving cream and/or anything like the aforementioned when you wash your face in the morning, wear spacious shoes with dry socks and thick, well insulating insoles. Wear layered clothing and make sure you have air between the layers. The air between the layers is best insulation against cold weather. Keep moving and enjoy a warm drink and meal from time to time. Warm your ears, nose, cheeks and chin with your hand. And when in groups, look for frostbites on others skin. Avoid sweating. Take some of the clothes off during exertion and put them back on during breaks.
The first sign of frostbite is a white spot on the skin. It must be warmed immediately with a hand or other means. If the numbness or tingling feeling on a limb or a white spot on the face do not disappear fast then you must get to a doctor immediately.
Wind chill is extremely illusive. During January air temperature of -40 °C is not uncommon here so if the wind is about 8 ms then the wind chill would add up to -69 °C.
I learned this during my service in the Finnish Defence Forces. I hope this helps your wood cutting.
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Also, never wear blue jeans in cold weather conditions.
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If we're talking survival, just plain never wear blue jeans.
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What the hell is wrong with jeans
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What the hell is wrong with jeans
Because of how Denim is processed from cotton they will get wet and cold very easily. They don't insulate at all at really cold temps. They don't block wind very well.
Of course they make flannel lined jeans but I don't think very many people have those.
Pretty much every single cold weather guide / hiking guide I have ever read has noted that denim jeans are horrible for cold weather.
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I wear jeans all winter and they keep me plenty warm.
If when the temperature gets below zero I add a pair of long underwear underneath and that is all I really need.
EDIT: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF I wasted my 5000th post on this piece of crap. Goddamn.
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I wear jeans all winter. What should I be wearing instead? My nice slacks? They're worse. Much worse.
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I wear jeans all winter and they keep me plenty warm. If when the temperature gets below zero I add a pair of long underwear underneath and that is all I really need.
That won't be enough when the temperature drops to -20 °C to -35 °C. And it stays there for 1,5 months.
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I live in Fargo. It does that here too, for most of January and February.
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If you work outdoors the whole day it won't be enough.
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I never mentioned working outdoors, my contribution was in the case of going to school and walking between classes, that sort of thing. I haven't done outdoor work in that sort of cold since before my parents sold the family farm when I was 14. Back then I wore long underwear, jeans, and canvas overalls. That was good enough for me.
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Jeans are perfectly fine if you live anywhere near human civilization and aren't trudging your way through four feet of snow up a mountain for shits and giggles. It gets cold as fuck up here from January to March, but all it takes is a pair of flannels and tucking my jeans into a high pair of boots and I'm fine.
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Do you even own a high pair of boots?
I think jeans suck and unfortunately, i wear them tight so i can't realy fit long underwear under them. i may buy some "fat pants" so i can do just that this year.
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No, which is why the cuffs of my jeans are almost perpetually wet in the winter. I should probably correct that this year.
It hadn't actually occurred to me the level of difficulty I might find this year concerning the weight I have put on coupled with my desire to wear thermals under my pants when it's freezing.
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We actually had a little hailstorm in Turku, Finland... It's getting cold so quickly :|
...And now I'm feeling depressed :-P
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Of course they make flannel lined jeans but I don't think very many people have those.
Flannel also gets wet easily, takes forever to dry out, and has the same arguments against it as jeans do. Those flannel lined jeans are wonderful, though, I had a pair until I couldn't fit in them anymore. That was a sad day.
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I just wish that it starts snowing soon as possible cause its really dark in here without snow.
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I wear jeans all winter. What should I be wearing instead? My nice slacks? They're worse. Much worse.
Baby seals and happiness.
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I'll just grab my club and get on that.
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Monster.
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Holy crap, last week it was still possible not to wear gloves and a scarf when you went outside, then suddenly, two days ago your ears would freeze off if you were outside for more than 15 minutes, and now everything is covered in a foot of snow, just like that! It's been a long time since that happened around here.
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HEY GUYS IT TOTALLY JUST FUCKIN' SNOWED IN GLASGOW THIS AFTERNOON
fucking awesome
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Holy crap, last week it was still possible not to wear gloves and a scarf when you went outside, then suddenly, two days ago your ears would freeze off if you were outside for more than 15 minutes, and now everything is covered in a foot of snow, just like that! It's been a long time since that happened around here.
Like that, except it reversed itself again. We got barely any snow.
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Woo its snowing here in East Anglia!! Me and Vicky just went to a little park near our house and made a snowman at 1am. It took a lot of convincing but I got her out in it eventually, and a total stranger threw a snowball at me and I threw one back and man I get really excited about snow. Only problem is it will probably rain first thing tomorrow morning and by the time I wake up it will be slushhh :(
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The snow doesn't want to stay long here. Then again, who could blame it?
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Seattle gets snow maybe once every five years. This past week it was a constant 22 degrees, so we got our hopes up, but as it snowed last year, the weather's back to 40 and rainy.
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Seattle gets snow maybe once every five years. This past week it was a constant 22 degrees, so we got our hopes up, but as it snowed last year, the weather's back to 40 and rainy.
My weather is probably the same for the most part, I live only 100 miles away. Give or take.
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Seattle gets snow maybe once every five years. This past week it was a constant 22 degrees, so we got our hopes up, but as it snowed last year, the weather's back to 40 and rainy.
Hahaha, you guys are so cute when it snows.
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First Snow of the year here in good ole' Cedar Rapids, Iowa, USA:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a84/silverstar0406/Winter09029.jpg)
This was about halfway through a storm that covered the city in 10.2 inches (almost 14 inches in other places of the state!) of the nasty, cold, brutally beautiful white stuff. The picture is of my street, and the little dot in the middle of the snow-covered sidewalk all the way in the distance is my youngest brother sledding backwards down the hill.
La
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Holy crap! It snowed like, 10cm here and the country is breaking down! (Dutch people dont handle snow to well) Trains at Utrecht Central (which is like, the spider in the web of railways here) just stopped going between 15:30 and 20:00. This is also the busiest station we have...
Thankfully, i convinced the people i was with that we might as well go and have a few beers and eat something and sit in a nice warm place :)
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The Dutch are as bad at doing snow as the English? That takes some believing...
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Hahaha, you guys are so cute when it snows.
Seriously, we got 4 inches last year and the entire city shut down. Being born and raised in Chicago, I was so confused - it'd take a blizzard with gale-force winds to stop anything from running there. In Seattle, it's common practice to run around in circles shrieking once the flakes start to fall.
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Yeah, I remember one time when I was in Seattle when there was less than an inch of snow. You could still see the grass sticking out of the snow, and yet they shut down all schools in the area and the people were driving at absurdly slow speeds.
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guys dc is supposed to get like, 6in to a fucking foot tomorrow or some bullshit like that.
i am pissed i am supposed to be seeing monument tomorrow and if we get that much the entire dc area is going to be shut the fuck down.
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Yeah DC is totally shut down. Metro stopped running trains to outdoor platforms at 1pm, and the news said cops were on the highway ramps making people turn around and go home instead of getting on the highway. Last I measured, we had 17.5 inches of snow in the back yard. My car has disappeared even further since this photo, now you can only see the top of the tire and a sliver of the hubcap.
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs097.snc3/16432_843194309738_5700964_47412353_5984037_n.jpg)
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My sister lives in Columbia. The last time she had a kid there was a huge blizzard. She had another this year and dang would you look at that, another one.
My Sister must never have another kid.
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So, I am going to DC on Monday (to hang out with family, and stuff like that). Will I be confronted by a city that will still have too much snow that they don't know how to deal? Last time I remember getting six inches (maybe '02?), the entire metro area shut down for about a week.
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i mean people are still gonna be flipping a shit probably but i think the city will be functional. the roads are starting to clear up i think (my neighborhood is good) and metro should be running tomorrow. im actually going downtown tonight so if the city is a fucking mess ill let you know. i think* it'll be fine tomorrow.
*read as "it had fucking better"
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So I ended up with 19 inches out where I am on this one. I've gotten more snow on me before, but never living in Virginia as I was in Europe for the 96 blizzard. Spent all damn day yesterday shoveling. My wife called and said that once you're out of our neighborhood the main road is still slick as shit. I really wish I could work from home today, but I can't. I expect that once I make it to 95 it'll be fine, but the backasswards rural jerkwater that I live in will be a mess for days.
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Thank God I live in Finland... At least our cities won't shutdown during snowstorms. People just pretty much ignore it as an normal winter occurrence.
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Same with Rochester. Always the first snow has people ridiculously scared because they seem to forget what that white stuff coming down from the sky is. After that, it's business as usual for a number of months. The only problems with snow arise when the infrastructure is not in place to deal with it, due to there being absolutely no reason to have it in a place that might get a foot of snow per year.
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The snow has now become a prominent member of our scenery, soon it will be elected mayor for sure
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We don't even get snow in oklahoma. We get ice. It pretty much is just dry and cold all winter except when it rains four inches because it is 50F in the day time and then 10F in the evenings. then everything is covered in a layer of ice for a week or two and no one cares. I spend those days sliding around in parking lots.
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God I remember when we started getting Ice Storms in 2000 in OK. Jesus Christ that was hell.
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there has been lots of snow here in England. I have fallen on my arse quite a lot. I invested in some snow boots. they are good for snow, but once the snow thins and there is just ice, they are bollocks and I fall on my arse.
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Just landed in Philadelphia, here's the runway:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/jhocking/3eb9027a.jpg)
(sorry for big, can't resize photos on my iphone)
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It looks very dark.
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Well yes it is. The point was to show the walls of snow surrounding the runway.
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Apparently the only significant snowfall Sydney has ever experienced was in 1836.
I miss snow.
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God I remember when we started getting Ice Storms in 2000 in OK. Jesus Christ that was hell.
The news says we'll have a big fat gross one for christmas. Rain/show wednesday, then more rain thursday, with a high of 38 for christmas.
Merry fucking frostbite, everyone.
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Oxford is bounded by blocked roads and stuff, but doesn't have even enough snow of its own to clog my bicycle brakes. Cold though, but the wind has stopped which makes it much less biting. But the temperature still goes over 0C most days - in the winter after I was born (http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/feature/2007/01/26_ne.htm), it stayed below freezing for six weeks (not that I remember that!).
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The snow's getting quite thick in Aberdeen now:
(http://imgur.com/cak7Os.png) (http://imgur.com/cak7O.jpg)
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The only effect snow has around here is that everybody forgets how to use brakes. Hooray traffic.
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No, it's just that their brakes are frozen solid (like my bike cables this morning; and the padlock).
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Outside my house in St Fergus earlier today.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4007/4206556544_b3bcb0a539.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2561/4205796625_390cd71069.jpg)
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You have pretty winters. The winter's here are pretty much white, grey, and darker grey.
And the occasional yellow snow from where the huskies go.
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Had snow for a few days, 3 feet. I am staying indoors where its warm (FOR ONCE).
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The only thing remarkable about the cold and snow in the UK, such as it is, is the extent to which the entire country is unprepared for this seasonal weather, in spite of forecasts, YET AGAIN!
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It just wouldn't be the same if we were all prepared though. Then what would we complain about?
Up north we are having flurries of snow but nothing is sticking and the rain is washing most of it away. The bits that stay though always manage to turn into ice and cause me to have to use a skating action to walk properly.
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I venture into a blizzard, you say?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Something_Witty/Miata/DSCF0570.jpg)
Hmm. That won't do.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Something_Witty/DSCF0572.jpg)
That's a little more like it.
I still managed to get stuck in a snowdrift up to the headlights in that jeep. That's about waist high, if you're unfamiliar.
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On the night of the 24th it started snowing again, really hard this time. Then at around noon on the 25th it started raining, and it hasn't really stopped since. Don't you love white Christmases?
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We don't even get snow in oklahoma. We get ice. It pretty much is just dry and cold all winter except when it rains four inches because it is 50F in the day time and then 10F in the evenings. then everything is covered in a layer of ice for a week or two and no one cares. I spend those days sliding around in parking lots.
It's not that dry, thats why it feels so damn cold here at normal temperatures. Denver is nice for cold
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Several inches of snow in England! Fears for country's economy!
It's very pretty and all, but some people just don't even try to get to work.
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It snowed last night and I was literally about to go outside to shovel the sidewalk when I heard scraping outside. My downstairs neighbor was already shoveling, damn I feel guilty. At least it was the teenage girl doing it, and not the old lady.
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It snowed in the UK:
(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00668/england_-_must_be_c_668878a.jpg)
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Apparently last night the coldest place in Britain was Benson, about five miles from me, which was -17.7C [= 0F]. No wonder the brakes on my bike were frozen.
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To the above post and the post above that one: Holy crap.
The Netherlands was just recovering from the ten centimetres of snow that fell two weeks ago, breaking public transport everywhere for no obvious reasons. Then the thaw sets in, that damn thaw that sneaks up on you by clearing all the snow but leaving a half millimetre coating of ice on the pavement making it look dry while it's slippery as hell, got my bike swiped out from under me twice that day. And just when everyone thinks it's over, the next day white flakes fall merrily from the sky and we're back to square one. Still, I prefer the snow to the wind and rain that's raging outside right now. Good thing I don't have to go back to university until monday...
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At least where I am, its fukkin' snowin' in England again.
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snowed again in texas. The mountains looked beautiful during our run this morning very motivating and whatnot.
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Snowing again here in Virginia.
Only supposed to get ten inches this time, which is about half as much as we got with the Dec. 18th snow. I'm heading out to do the first of many driveway shoveling expeditions. At 75m long, it's much easier to do it several times and inch at a time then wait until it's all done coming down.
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Speaking of snow in Virginia,
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t85/FangHamhands/114_0013.jpg)
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That is a beautiful picture. Looks a bit hazardous though. Be safe!
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Snowing again here in Virginia.
Only supposed to get ten inches this time, which is about half as much as we got with the Dec. 18th snow. I'm heading out to do the first of many driveway shoveling expeditions. At 75m long, it's much easier to do it several times and inch at a time then wait until it's all done coming down.
FUCK!
10 inches?
aw goddamnit. hopefully the eastern panhandle doesnt get hit that hard. cause im pretty done with snow.
i am listening to snowing though. you just gotta do it.
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Got about five so far and it's still coming down like a mofo, so it certainly seem plausible.
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It snowed again in Oklahoma, too. About 5-6 inches, with an inch of solid ice below that. Woooo!
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SNOWMAGEDDON IS COMING!!!!
At least, that's the attitude that everybody seems to have adopted around here. Thank the deity of your choice I wasn't out of toilet paper because I don't think there is a roll to be found for 100 miles.
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We're getting 18-24 inches in Baltimore County.
Igloo (or quinzee if you're James) round 2 is a go. Gonna shoot for more people and more headroom this time.
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i have heard the eastern panhalde is supposed to get like, 30 inches. i think this is bullshit. but its gonna be a shit ton regardless.
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Yeah My manager at work has already told me to not bother coming in tomorrow because of this, since they're closing at 4. It's already going to be white again when I wake up.
Though at least the govt.'s gonna take it seriously this time with the salt trucks and shit, this past Saturday it seems like they got caught with their pants down, the roads were such a clusterfuck.
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I went out this morning and took a couple of 'before' pictures. I'll post them with some after pictures as soon as ZOMG SNOWMAGEDDON 2010 is over.
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but the thing is didn't we have a snowmageddon back in december?
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December was the snowpacalypse.
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And that was 2009.
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SNOWGNAROK has started!
Seriously... I hope spring comes soon. I'm running out of stupid end-of-the-world names to make up involving snow.
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There is too much snow.
I'm in PG County, Maryland and my younger sister has had school cancelled for the entire week. I am very much tired of being snowed in with her.
And now there's more snow....
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I'd just like to rub it in everyone's face that Spring has apparently decided to come early in Washington this year and it has been a beautiful and uneventful winter.
(I like to think of it as karma for last winter which was pretty vicious)
suck on that, everybody else!
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fuck yeah today was beautiful. i went on a bike ride and immediately regretted it because i chainsmoked like a pack and a half of cigarettes this weekend. but man blue sky! and sun!
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....you realize that a vicious winter in Western Washington is a very mild winter for a lot of us, right?
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shit damn there is a good fucking amount out there. this is insane.
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....you realize that a vicious winter in Western Washington is a very mild winter for a lot of us, right?
Dude. There was snow. On the ground.
The air raid sirens were pretty much going 24/7.
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What the fuck man where did this snow come from. This frikkin weather can't make up its mind.
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Dude whatever. I live in Oklahoma. It snows here like once every three years.
We have had THREE SEPARATE SNOW STORMS.
WHAT THE SHIT MAN.
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I find this funny considering we got 6 inches of snow on Monday alone and honestly I rather liked it.
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It snowed a lot yesterday, here's my back porch:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/jhocking/20ce1659.jpg)
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There is about three and a half feet of snow on the ground outside. Looks like I'm gonna have to re-dig my car out.
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not going insane not going insane not going insane oh look that icicle has blood on it
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I find this funny considering we got 6 inches of snow on Monday alone and honestly I rather liked it.
similar! today I found out that the show has piled high enough outside my windows where I can open the blinds and still no one can see in. So now I can walk around in my apt naked like always, but with sun! happy happy sunshine rays beaming on through
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Every single one of my college's campuses have been closed due to the snow fall. I'm ecstatic I don't have to do a Microbiology lab, which I wouldn't have done any way, but the Accounting test is pushed back yet again. Also no sledding down the hill on campus.
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What is it with people here taking micro and not telling me?
Dogg, I'm getting my PhD in micro, if you're having trouble in the class send me a PM.
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SNOWGNAROK has started!
Seriously... I hope spring comes soon. I'm running out of stupid end-of-the-world names to make up involving snow.
you better start thinking of a new name i heard from my cello teacher and another kid that we'e supposed to get another foot or so next tuesday.
i hate the world.
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Man, there are snow flurries for longer than one week, and now the whole frikkin' country is bitching about being sick of this weather. Even the newspapers bitch about the weather. People are sending letters to the weatherman to complain about the snow and ask when fall is coming. What the fuck is wrong with these people? The streets are clean and it's never colder than five degrees below zero.
"Bitching about people bitching about the weather"
(I would not mind a SNOGNAROK occuring.)
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you better start thinking of a new name i heard from my cello teacher and another kid that we'e supposed to get another foot or so next tuesday.
i hate the world.
Yeah, I just heard we're due for another big one too. Mother. Fuck.
Seriously, I'm ready to move back to Hawaii. Having a hard time remembering why I left. I was driving around Crystal City today and it was straight hazardous due to snow being piled so high you couldn't see what traffic was doing. Nearly got t-boned by a white Beemer.
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scratch that, were supposed to get two more big ones now. one next tuesday and one in two weeks. the one in two weeks is supposed to be worse than the last one.
fffffffffffffffffffu snow