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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: sean on 03 Feb 2010, 11:20
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so in this thread you guys are gonna talk to me about sludge music, i guess.
okay go!
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I'm not big on labels and knowing specifically under which subgenres a band falls, but I'm pretty sure Torche would be sludge metal. And I enjoy the album of theirs which I have listened to, Meanderthal. If it's your thing, check it out
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Some of Boris' work is considered sludge.
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Seriously Sean, listen to some fucking Boris.
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Bad Actor
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In all seriousness, Mastodon, Baroness and Kylesa are pretty good places to start for sludge. I'm pretty sure that you can find the majority of their albums in the mf thread.
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Sludge is for faggots, listen to fucking Skullflower.
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reed what boris albums are sludge?
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Apart from maybe Eye of the Storm, you can't really go wrong with Neurosis.
Made Out of Babies is great (I put one of their album on the mf thread a little while back).
Tombs is also good. They're more like a black metal/sludge hybrid, I guess.
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reed what boris albums are sludge?
you should probably start with Akuma no Uta. That's the one I started with and it cemented my love for Boris for the rest of eternity even if I only enjoy around...30% of their work.
the first track is a 9 minute sludgey epic with no percussion, followed suddenly and horrifyingly by some super-fast rocking the fuck out.
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In all seriousness, Mastodon, Baroness and Kylesa are pretty good places to start for sludge. I'm pretty sure that you can find the majority of their albums in the mf thread.
No! Don't muck about with bands who just have a little sludge influence (or in the case of Mastodon, very little). It's just not dirty enough, and far too wimpy if you're wanting the thick black hate that sludge delivers.
Iron Monkey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QBi4T4vPGQ) do sludge with a bit of stoner riffing. Nasty as hell. Eyehategod (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3umWMD0__U) are totally essential, smoked out destruction in that Southern way. Buzzov*en (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uYhXYJf_I&feature=related) are pretty banging and one of the dead early bands. Corrupted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GzhEYG73PY&feature=related) mix it up with some horrible doom in order to crush more skulls. Noothgrush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF3ONgHZJzk&feature=related) are Japanese too, and only a bit less brutalising than Corrupted.
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Dudes. C'mon. Melvins.
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Yeah. Melvins.
And then, listen to some Overmars.
No! Don't muck about with bands who just have a little sludge influence (or in the case of Mastodon, very little). It's just not dirty enough, and far too wimpy if you're wanting the thick black hate that sludge delivers.
Iron Monkey (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QBi4T4vPGQ) do sludge with a bit of stoner riffing. Nasty as hell. Eyehategod (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3umWMD0__U) are totally essential, smoked out destruction in that Southern way. Buzzov*en (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9uYhXYJf_I&feature=related) are pretty banging and one of the dead early bands. Corrupted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GzhEYG73PY&feature=related) mix it up with some horrible doom in order to crush more skulls. Noothgrush (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF3ONgHZJzk&feature=related) are Japanese too, and only a bit less brutalising than Corrupted.
Sludge is a pretty broad genre. It ranges from bands like Kylesa, Torche, and the like, all the way to balls to the wall traditional sludge like you've posted above, and then to the very fringes of post-metal with bands like Minsk or Giant Squid. There's also a pretty blurred line between Stoner, Doom, and Sludge, with many bands being arguably a part of more than one of those genres.
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As far as somewhere-in-between sludge/stoner/doom bands go, YOB is fucking heavy as hell. Listen to YOB.
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Sludge is a pretty broad genre. It ranges from bands like Kylesa, Torche, and the like, all the way to balls to the wall traditional sludge like you've posted above, and then to the very fringes of post-metal with bands like Minsk or Giant Squid. There's also a pretty blurred line between Stoner, Doom, and Sludge, with many bands being arguably a part of more than one of those genres.
Yeah, sludge has always mixed it up with stoner rock, doom and all that. Mostly I just think Mastodon are shite, but I still reckon those sorts of bands don't really represent sludge, more stuff that's sludge influenced. I mean, I love bands like Cursed and Knut have got some sludge in there but I wouldn't recommend them as a starting point for sludge bands, even something like Snowblood might be a bit too far from the template. It's never really been that much of a cohesive genre anyway though, so it probably doesn't matter much.
And yeah, motherfucking Melvins. Get on some shit like Bullhead. Also side two of My War by Black Flag, that's kinda proto-sludge I guess and totally excellent.
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I ate a YOB once, I'm pretty sure.
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8574/1248720952flipper.jpg)
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As far as somewhere-in-between sludge/stoner/doom bands go, YOB is fucking heavy as hell. Listen to YOB.
You made me realize I haven't listened to YOB since 2008. I'd just completely forgotten about them.
I'm going to spin The Unreal Never Lived right now.
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Crowbar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpcoiqfZAYI), Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRA3VgO3Vz0), Corrosion of Conformity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL3DBiRqbuc), Weedeater (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIbTEV-G97E).
Down and CoC mix in quite a bit of southern rock influence, which I don't think is too uncommon, considering how much sludge is made in the south. Crowbar might be a bit of an acquired taste because of the singer's limited vocal range, same with Weedeater.
Khar, I assume that isn't meant as an insult, is it? I know that in a huge list of metal bands you liked that you posted at one point, Crowbar was in there, and so was Alabama Thunderpussy, even though they are more southern metal than sludge metal.
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so i've played all the links and so far i've dug the stuff from wills post the most. which doesn't surprise me, that shit seems to be the most 'core leaning sludge posted.
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Teeth of Lions Rule The Divine.
It's basically Anderson/O'Malley (the Sunn 0))) dudes), with Justin Greaves from Electric Wizard on drums and Lee Dorrian on vocals. Nice and sludgy.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlwDAx3Iii4 ???
just the song
i love the song
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Well, there's also Salome! They're cool. If anything they have the most vicious female vocalist in the known universe.
Also, there's good ol' Melvins.
I second whoever says Torche, even if it isn't a 110% sludge. "Meanderthal" is still a genius record, and their new stuff sounds very promising.
Other bands could be The Abominable Iron Sloth, Rwake and Kongh. I really like Kongh, but they're maybe more of a doom band.
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This obviously counts as "stoner" or "stoner doom" rather than sludge or whatever, but kiss my ass.
sean you should be listening to Sleep, like, right fucking now.
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Grief (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYbgg_9YUZs) will see you right, and Dystopia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX2SueflwAw&feature=related) are much faster and generally more hardcore but they were still pretty sludgy (plus, Dead Kennedys sample!). Rwake (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYHSD1bWH2A&feature=related) are pretty decent.
Also, not properly sludge but you really need to be listening to Harvey Milk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9sPxE2qj50&feature=related), Floor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAjZp_0rS5g&feature=related) and Snowblood (http://www.myspace.com/beingandbecoming).
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Seconding Sleep and Harvey Milk
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dovey i am not stoned right now
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well there's your first problem right there
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You can appreciate sludge without being stoned. Or stoner music without being stoned.
Don't like sleep all that much, though. Small amounts, sure, but not a full album (which means Dopesmoker is right out). Kind of like AC/DC or Motorhead in that way.
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i am stoned.
i am about to listen to dopesmoker, if can find it fast enough.
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nodashio there is no way i would listen to this sober. like, the thickness of the music doesn't get across properly to sober people.
that being said im not digging this that much.
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Sorry dude but you're rapidly failing music. Actually come to think of it I have never listened to Sleep stoned. My go-to in that situation is Boris Heavy Rocks, which I hope to high fucking hell that you have listened to by now, sean.
Also in the "not sludge but close enough and awesome enough to bear mention" section are Doomriders and Disappearer, both out of the incestuous Massachusetts hardcore scene that gave us Converge and Cave-In. In fact, Doomriders has Nate from Converge and Jebb from Disappearer is in Doomriders and along with Thomas Disappearer used to be in There Were Wires, and they've been produced by both Kurt from Converge and Steve Brodsky from Cave-In. Phew!
Also they both kick ass, woo.
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I can listen to Dopethrone sober and not be bored. (are they sludge?)
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I'd say so, they've definitely got some pretty massive Iron Monkey love going on.
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Are we gonna talk crust too?
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i mean we totally can but i'm already into crust.
i will give dopesmoker a full listen some point today hopefully, i only got a few minutes into it last night.
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some of khanate's music sounds kind of sludgy to me.
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I like that this genre-label does everything it's supposed to do. It gives a good feeling of how the music sounds, especially if it's coupled with -metal, and sludge is totally dirty like the music.
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Sorry dude but you're rapidly failing music. Actually come to think of it I have never listened to Sleep stoned. My go-to in that situation is Boris Heavy Rocks, which I hope to high fucking hell that you have listened to by now, sean.
Also in the "not sludge but close enough and awesome enough to bear mention" section are Doomriders and Disappearer, both out of the incestuous Massachusetts hardcore scene that gave us Converge and Cave-In. In fact, Doomriders has Nate from Converge and Jebb from Disappearer is in Doomriders and along with Thomas Disappearer used to be in There Were Wires, and they've been produced by both Kurt from Converge and Steve Brodsky from Cave-In. Phew!
Also they both kick ass, woo.
Fuck yes, Doomriders.
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+1 to:
EyeHateGod
YOB
Sleep
Boris
Disappearer
Neurosis
Other notables:
Zoroaster
5ive
Acid King
Bongripper
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Man, not thought about 5ive in years. Bit disappointing live but this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMjOBTu41jw) is pretty nifty. Although after listening to it I get a definite feeling of "that's enough 5ive for a bit", which might explain why it's been years since I last heard them.
I was having trouble finding a link for them before, but Hydra Head led me to Cavity's myspace (http://www.myspace.com/cavitymiami). More of that thudding like a lead pipe to the skull.
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I have avoided 5ive for years just because I can't stand their name, which is probably quite rich for a dude who likes bands named after most bodily excretions.
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No, I see where you're coming from. At least when you're listening to Noxious Coitus or something you can be sure nobody will get confused and think you're referring to a late-'90s boyband.
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I'd like to second Eyehategod: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCPv8ZLTNtQ
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In an Iron Monkey/Noothgrush worship vein I would like to suggest:
http://www.myspace.com/molochscum (http://www.myspace.com/molochscum) Moloch.
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http://www.myspace.com/thedeadinthewoods (http://www.myspace.com/thedeadinthewoods) Dead in The Woods.
I'm not going to get into a sludge or not sludge,(Mainly because my ex, on another forum, in a thread about sludge offended my very soul by saying that Iron Monkey weren't very good & Back Flag were overrated & the 2nd side of My War had nothing to do with sludge, I'm glad we broke up now. He also didn't like Star Wars. Bah!) but these bands kick ass. (& share members & make good cake & are mostly super nice guys.)
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Guys C'mon... What about Acid Bath? It surprises me that they are not even mentioned since they played some great sludge that together with Eyehategod in the same state of Louisiana made sludge big.
When the Kite String Pops is a MUST
Here are some examples:
The Blue (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjBwxXmNY0Q)
Jezebel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHwfKLWkm-M&feature=related)
Dr. Seuss Is Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al25DiUiLcI)
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Acid Bath are kinda fun, but they've got too much of the southern rock in there for me to ever think of them as a top sludge pick. They'd be a great starting point for anyone massively into stoner rock and wanting something harsher though.
http://www.myspace.com/molochscum (http://www.myspace.com/molochscum) Moloch.
Fully backed. They were great with Closure.
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Acid Bath are kind of like a sludge band doing covers of Monster Magnet.
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I believe that Acid Bath are a perfect example of sludge metal with a bit of nice flavours and I obviously see them as a top pick. The southern rock influences just make the music richer. On the other hand I fail to see any Monster Magnet in their music except in the second album but the debut it's more in the sludge side, God... Just listen to Dr. Seuss is Dead. Unless people like the sludge vocals to be just completely lame with a guy with a throat problem a la Eyehategod. Don't take it wrong, I love Eyehategod but it feels like everyone is doing the same thing after them.
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That's not at all true. Now people are just copying... whatever band started the prog-sludge trend that Baroness, Mastodon, and a bunch of other bands I can't remember off the top of my head are doing. Was it Neurosis?
Acid bath isn't really a straightforward sludge band, I like them, but they aren't wholly sludge. Then again, neither are a lot of the ones I'm seeing recommended. I could be biased, though, I tend to think of sludge as what happens when black flag meet black sabbath in Louisiana, so it would take a whole lot more southern rock influence to make me think of something as not sludge than it appears to for wolves.
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Well, by the way you put it, I do take back what I said about Acid Bath being a "perfect" example of sludge, but I would still highly recommend it if someone wants to get into sludge and after a whole page I was surprised that they weren't mentioned since it's not like they are so not-sludge or underground.
I also agree with Nodaisho that it takes a huge load of southern rock influence to make a sludge band less sludge because almost every sludge band has southern rock in their music to some degree imo
But Yeah, we shouldn't discuss to much about the subject. Neurosis is amazing, one of my favorite bands ever mkay... Through Silver In Blood is... brilliant.
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also, Acid Bath have some of the best (and most quotable) lyrics I've ever heard.
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Assuming you aren't worried about offending anyone.
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Damnable Fiend , you can say that again. Their lyrics are one of the most brilliant ones I've seen not only in the sludge scene but in music as a whole. Even the ballads have some extremely good and deep lyrics, while having a really creepy metaphor sometimes the ballads seems quite romantic imo. I would quote them as soon as I get the chance tbh.
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I could be biased, though, I tend to think of sludge as what happens when black flag meet black sabbath in Louisiana, so it would take a whole lot more southern rock influence to make me think of something as not sludge than it appears to for wolves.
Oh it's not that I don't think they're sludge. It's just that at heart I'm a hardcore dude so I'm naturally more predisposed to bands like Abandon than the more southern rock inflected end of things. That was all I meant when I said they wouldn't be one of my top picks.