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so, from what i've gathered at imdb, its about a girl who was institutionalized by her father and is escaping. looking at the trailer after knowing this ... well what do you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSIetIg7O3M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSIetIg7O3M)
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I...I don't know what to think.
I'm sure this will be memorable. Or terrible.
Terribly memorable?
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Memorably terrible?
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It looks fuckin' awful. But also awesome. I will see it and hate it but love it.
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It's a girl in burlesque fighting
1) samurai
2) ninja
3) WWI era soldiers
4) a zeppelin
5) a giant with a mini-gun
6) a mecha
7) and a dragon.
It could be the most awesomely terrible thing ever. I fully intend to steal go see it.
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From the same bloke who did 300 and Watchmen, what's-his-name Snyder. Should have people knowing what it'll be like.
Might like to point out the vague similarities to American McGee's Alice, except, y'know, this one looks like it's on maximum ridiculosity.
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Samurai with miniguns! I can imagine the brainstorming session, where they just browsed tvtropes for rule of cool tropes. It looks like fun, such mindless fun.
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It's a girl in burlesque fighting
1) samurai
2) ninja
3) WWI era soldiers
4) a zeppelin
5) a giant with a mini-gun
6) a mecha
7) and a dragon.
It could be the most awesomely terrible thing ever. I fully intend to steal go see it.
Reminds me of this (http://www.theonion.com/articles/next-tarantino-movie-an-homage-to-beloved-tarantin,2801/).
In one sequence Tarantino called "distinctly Tarantino-esque," Slim delivers an unexpectedly poetic monologue on cheeseburgers while dancing to an Ennio Morricone instrumental with a drug-addled Uma Thurman. And in the film's stunning climax, Slim remembers his training with a martial arts expert in China and then exacts revenge on the film's antagonists: a Nazi colonel, a Hollywood stuntman, and a Los Angeles syndicate of 88 yakuza warriors.
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(http://akamai.onelargeprawn.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2010/Sucker_Punch_6.jpg)
Yeah this movie lost all appeal for me
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Was it the woman's huge fuckin' head or the pink font?
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The head
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Her head has to be that big to accomodate the laser eyes with which I'm sure she's equipped.
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This is the first time Zach Snyder has made an original (well, original as in not directly adapted from someone else's work) movie and I'm interested. I know he's sort of got the same internet buzz as like...Tim Burton now where everyone's like rawr rawr all style no substance sick of his style but man I ain't yet and I enjoyed all three of his other movies, even the one adapted from one of my favorite books of all time. 300 was absurd and his worst movie but it hit all the right notes to be a glorious action movies, Dawn of the Dead was the most satisfyingly visceral and intense zombie movie ever made, and Watchmen was an impressively faithful and beautiful rendering of the book even with it's random over-the-top missteps.
Maybe he's lost it and it'll suck (I just watched Alice in Wonderland this last week and I'm finally willing to concede Tim Burton has) but I'm eager.
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That lady is in proportion I am fairly sure. She is just a little foreshortened, and so it looks weird with the bottom of the legs cut off.
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Yeah I'm not seeing a big head anywhere in that photo.
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If anything I thought it was the torso that's a li'l off but I think that's just the super short skirt fucking with my head. I dunno, movie posters are always kinda weird, so this one hardly even registers to me. Hell, Christina Ricci once commented that she knew she was working big budget movies again when she saw a poster for Sleepy Hollow and noticed that they blew up her boobs so big that they were a touch wider than her shoulders.
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If anything I thought it was the torso that's a li'l off but I think that's just the super short skirt fucking with my head.
Yeah, I just realised that it wasn't so much a skirt as it was a little fringe of fabric that goes over the top of her butt crack
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So I hope this doesn't qualify as necroposting but has anybody else actually seen this movie / is interested to see this movie?
I saw it lastnight and despite leaving the cinema being all "Definitely style over substance, but enjoyable" I'm now like "OH MY GOD IT WORKS ON SO MANY LEVELS".
Would definitely recommend it! I want to go see it again which is like, not a thing that ever happens for me.
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huh.
well that's the first positive thing i've heard about it
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saw it last night with my girlfriend and it really is pretty good. Its one of those movies where you watch it and enjoy it the first time, it gets you talking, and then your like wait what the hell I need to see it again to fully understand it.
movie bob puts it the best.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/2962-Sucker-Punch (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/2962-Sucker-Punch)
go see this movie
the music is pretty awesome too and relevant when its played.
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I've heard that most critics have panned this movie but audiences love it, so I'm kind of torn. I sort of want to see it because its the type of movie that I'm not really trying to watch critically on any level and I'm reasonably sure that at least Zack Snyder isn't gonna go all Michael Bay with the plot holes, so as long as I can somewhat follow it and enjoy the action sequences I feel like I could enjoy it a lot.
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Honestly I can understand that, but after having seen it I have to say it was a good movie experience and may go see it again this weekend and I dont normally see movies in theaters more than once. The cool thing is the movie is a mind fuck intentionally. Which is why my friends and I still discuss it because its one of those movies you can debate. It makes you THINK, despite the cover of the book displays hot chicks.
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i saw it on tuesday. rather enjoyable, kind of like if Pan's Labyrinth were a ridiculous action movie.
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Sucker Punch is the best music video I've ever seen.
As a film, well it's better than most summer blockbusters but it, like Inception, isn't nearly as clever as it thinks it is. Honestly I still can't decide whether they added a decent plot to a bunch of random cool action scenes or developed the plot then Snyder snuck in his signature action scenes.
Either way, it works, but it's still not a clever as it thinks it is, and to me, that pulls me out a bit.
I'd say 3.5/5
EDIT: Nobody likes puns.
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I think the thing with Sucker Punch for me is that the film, itself, doesn't make any statements. It doesn't go out of it's way to present any kind of message, it just sort of happens, which I guess is where the style over substance criticisms come from.
The core plot, in itself, is admittedly little more than a framing device for some phenomenal set-pieces, but what has kept it in my mind is I guess the whole ambiguity of the thing.
I suppose the trouble here is that, as the film itself is pretty devoid of an overt message, it falls to the audience to determine whether there are subtle messages contained within or if it's just a mindless popcorn flick. Personally, the thing that resonated more with me is the whole fact that the film has taken what appears to be it's primary selling point - hot girls running around in revealing outfits blowing shit up - and used that as a vicious attack on those who are going to see that in action. There's one - count 'em - one male character in the entire film who doesn't objectify the girls in some way, so in objectifying the girls as a viewer you're no better than the creeps in the movie.
That's the biggest message for me. I've never left a movie feeling slightly guilty in this fashion before. There's much more to analyse, particularly in terms of I guess determining whether some things are plot-holes or intentionally open avenues to debate and derive meaning from, but I felt the message on objectification was pretty striking throughout.
Looking on Wikipedia it appears a lot of things had to be cut so it'll be interesting to see if any 'Director's Cut' adds anything particular to the experience.
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The cool thing is the movie is a mind fuck intentionally.
What exactly makes this movie a mind fuck? By that I mean, I'm interested in your expanding your opinion on this statement because I didn't see it that way but maybe I missed something...
Every review I read or heard made it out to be terrible and nonsensical / confusing... I did not understand what was complicated about it, it seemed pretty straightforward and had the same feel as your basic action film. It had the "out of body experience" / disassociation gimmick going for it that I guess maybe people (film critics) didn't get?
I dunno, I feel like movies like this are getting more and more ridiculous but aren't really getting any "better" or more interesting... like, I guess I just feel like the slick action film (300, Sucker Punch, etc) just keeps getting done over and over but somehow the genre receives more and more praise from younger audiences (i.e. not your typical film critics who generally clearly don't give a shit about the genre and just pan every film).
There's a lot of room in the genre to make a quality film that's interesting (I enjoyed Sin City and still do for the most part, though that may have been more nuanced or less ballistic than this film and therefore better placed in a different genre) but I don't think anyone is doing it.
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I think Sucker Punch has one underlying, very important message from Zack Snyder himself.
"Be free. Do what you want, like I did with this movie."
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"But if you're a girl, you have to do it in pigtails and a sexy little skirt so that people will pay attention."
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Freedom to Pander.
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No, maybe you didn't get it, the misogyny is happening in the movie, being carried out by the male characters... not by the director that put them in those outfits and had super sexy, fast, action packed trailers cut up highlighting the short skirts and pigtails.
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I found it to be more satirical of exploitation of women in film than anything. Also, Tender, I wouldn't trust Roeper's review seeing as how he got a few things in the plot completely wrong. He really didn't seem to get it at all.
"With her short skirt swirling about and her midriff exposed, Babydoll slices and dices and shoots her way through a series of battle zones, from a World War I tableau complete with zeppelins to a gunfight with dead German soldiers who have been regenerated (huh?) to a fire-breathing dragon that seems to have flown in from another movie."
Yeeeeaaaah, Roeper, that is kind of the point. It is supposed to be ridiculous and full of weird and cool shit. You would think more people would realize that just because a movie was not made to be an Oscar contender and isn't completely serious, that it is a bad film. This movie was great, highly entertaining and amazing looking. My only gripe is that the soundtrack has a few shitty covers of great songs.
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I kind've agree wholeheartedly with this review (http://www.screened.com/sucker-punch/16-82088/staff-review/)! It's one I found to fit how I felt about the movie after I left the theatre.
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A pretty big thing he got wrong was thinking that the mental asylum was a "front" for the bordello. It wasn't. The mental asylum was the grim reality, the bordello was the theatrical fantasy.
Also it disturbs me that he would criticize the filmmakers about their exploitation of women after using a term like "whorehouse".
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Wait, by saying it was a "theatrical fantasy," do you mean it was part of her disassociation episode? I'm confused by this, as I also assumed the "asylum" served two "real" purposes in the film.
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In the bordello Babydoll was being set up as a gift for the "Big spender" and you always hear about this "Big spender" throughout the bordello scenes. When the time finally comes with said person, you can clearly see it's the lobotomizing doctor. If you didn't pick that up, the psychiatrist later reveals to the doctor how Babydoll actually did the things in her dreams of the bordello, but in a less fantastical way.
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I'm not at all surprised really by Roeper's review. But really, why do I care about Roeper? I don't! He can have his opinion on the movie. It's just a shame when a criticism of a film reads like the person who disliked it didn't pay close enough attention to the movie to actually explain to us why they disliked it.
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Exactly what I was trying to say, but more eloquent. Thank you, MusicScribbles. It is pretty obvious that Roeper knew what kind of review he was going to give this film before he even saw it.
On an unrelated note, I enjoyed how Snyder poked fun at the idea that the film was rated PG-13 rather than R within the film itself. For example, talking about Babydoll's "Moaning and gyrating" but not showing it, and the steam obviously filling in for blood.
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Roeper just doesn't get it man
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In Watchmen they are probably the worst part of the film.
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how did you even see a woman in 300 what with all the sunlight casting off of pecs
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an endless and glorious sea of rippling abs & the salty frothing of thigh sweat
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Heh, I suppose you could say that 300 is one of the few movies where they weren't afraid to sexualize the man for once, that is when they weren't busy sexualizing the hell outta women, they were hella bewbs in that movie. Also now that I think of it Zack Snyder is really really bad at directing sex scenes, in both 300 and Watchmen they were ridiculous and cheesy and came across like 90s softcore porn.
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Actually you could make a case for most action movies sexualizing their male protagonists, indirectly. They're nothing if not virile.
Plus, you know, Top Gun.
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In watchmen that could be excused by the fact that the series is set in the 80's and is meant to be kind of camp/pulpy/ridiculous/Cheesy
Except that nothing else in the movie was camp or cheesy and really if Snyder thought nipples jiggling rhythmically to "Hallelujah" was "camp" as opposed to say, I dunno perverse and awful then I guess we just have really different senses of humour.
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Snyder kind of removed a lot of the satirical / commentary elements from Watchmen, I thought - as soon as Nite Owl was shown to have a fit physique I knew something was up with that adaptation. What merit the film had was, I think, provided by some of the cast. Aside from the credits sequence which everybody agreed was fairly great, Snyder didn't bring a lot.
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Snyder usually manages to hit the same level rock bottom notes as Tim Buckley.
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Snyder is Michael Bay, but in slo-mo. Sucker Punch was awful.
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Hey, I haven't really heard about this movie so much but I have noticed that Zack Snyder made a couple of other films before this one? Notable 300 and Watchmen. I know these are both adaptations of existing comic books (which have a history for being cheap male fantasy, though I believe Alan Moore's comic was a deliberate satire of the entire convention) but how are women portrayed in those films? Is there something of a continuity here perchance? It's not like people are making observations on this film alone, I'd argue that we already knew certain things about Snyder from his previous releases. This time he doesn't have the luxury of hiding behind someone else's writing and concept.
"However, a director of drama, characters, and emotion he is not. He is especially awkward with women--note the performances of Lena Headey in 300, and both Malin Akerman and Carla Gugino in Watchmen--which makes the female-centric cast of Sucker Punch problematic.
Moments of supposed emotional poignancy are laughably bad. These girls don't have emotions, they have programmed behaviors. They preen and pose when they're supposed to act tough, then sob unconvincingly when things are sad. Browning is particularly dull as Babydoll, which is an issue given that she is at the center of much of the film. She is rivaled, at least, by Malone, Hudgens and Chung. Calling them wooden is an insult to wooden things. Antique chairs, signposts and cigar store Indians don't deserve to be lumped in with this lot. Cornish is the only actress seemingly willing to stride for something beyond Snyder's seemingly minimal direction, but even she seems relatively lost amid the din of robot Nazi fighting and abject violence against women." - Alex Navarro from Screened.com
Is that what you're looking for Tommy?
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Does anyone have an interview or whatever in which Snyder said he intended this thing to be empowering? Because that's one of the criticisms I see bandied about a lot and yet every interview I read with this guy is more along the lines of "Guilty pleasures are OK if you're self-aware" and "A lot of my inspiration growing up came from things like old Heavy Metal mags." I ask this because I'm curious if the guy is just kind of dumb or if at some point he got saddled with a position that he never really put much thought into.
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ITT Zack Snyder is Frankenstein and he is throwing the small child of women into a lake to drown.
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By which I mean we should chase down Zack Snyder with torches and pitchforks, and burn him alive inside an old mill.
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Man, I'm starting to feel bad about being generally accepting of things.