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Not to sound like a complete dork but inspired by The Mountain Goats' The Best Ever Death Metal Band in Denton I'd like to start investigating death metal.
What's a good place to start?
I don't have much experience with metal besides a little bit of Mastodon,Boris and some of the guys from the NWOBHM movement.
Keep in mind since I like to actually buy the things I listen to it'd probably be better if it's not impossible to find a copy.
Thanks dudes.
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Morbid Angel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgw3mOFU2q4) and Entombed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdL-wNwXPCg) both released absolute death metal classics with Altars of Madness and Left Hand Path. I would say those are the best two places to start, they shouldn't be hard to find at all. Morbid Angel is thrashy and technical with winding song structures, Entombed (and Swedish death metal in general) is more straightforward, being influenced quite a bit by punk.
Immolation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S94ZrMg3edE) is a New York death metal band with a near-flawless discography. Their music is very rhythmically complex, with lots of dissonance going on. Their stuff shouldn't be hard to find either, the best album to start with is debatable, but I would go with Failures for Gods
The Chasm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S94ZrMg3edE) are a criminally under-rated Mexican death metal band that has released several near-perfect albums. Get Procession To the Infraworld if you can find it, which I don't think should be hard
Also, not exactly a starter death metal band, but there was a Finnish group called Demilich (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLPvzGgWs0&feature=related) made their one and only album Nespithe available as a free download (http://www.anentity.com/demilich/download.php). The vocals take a little bit of getting used to (sounds like a dude straight-up burping) but the music is nothing short of incredible. They made that difficult balance between technicality, creativity, and catchiness like it was nothing
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Demilich were incredible. My favourite death metal band by far is Gorguts, which definitely takes a bit of getting used to. I also generally like techier death metal, so if you think you might be into that kind of stuff, I'll drop a few names.
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I'd definitely start with some Death, Morbid Angel, Athiest and the like. They're pretty much at the roots of the genre.
Opeth are an obvious choice as well, for getting into the genre, as Åkerfeldt is IMO one of the best singers around. For albums, maybe start with Morningrise or Blackwater Park. The entire Roundhouse Tapes, Opeth's first live album is available free on youtube if you want a sample of great songs spanning their entire catalogue.
Also, Dethklok.
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A good "Gateway" band is definitely Death, especially their later output since it's more melodic metal than anything. Other than that, the first reply here is a pretty damn strong one. Check out 4-5 of the bands mentioned and tell us which you like best, and we'll guide you to more bands :)
This genre is a LOT broader than people may think, so you might need some help navigating the subgenres.
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I second, or third, Death and Morbid Angel. And I'll add Obituary and Exodus.
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Portal!
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I like Exodus, but wouldn't call them death metal.
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Listen to Exhumed.
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Portal!
That would pretty hit or miss. They're kinda harsh, but they may be better for it.
I have a friend of a friend who is basically mr. Arch-Hipster, and he liked "Nattens Madrigal" by Ulver a few years before the Memo of "Now we like Black Metal because it is like... obscure and stuff" came through the hipster chain of command. The reason for that was, that that record is particular was just crazy and harsh enough for him to enjoy it, whereas he might not like Immortal or something like that.
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Dismember's God That Never Was is a total guitar-player's album. Very melodic death. Dying Fetus have some great technical death metal, but it's really hard to listen to, sometimes. So... Maybe try that one out, but I wouldn't get too discouraged if it doesn't work out.
I'm a bigger fan of some of the blacker metal, as opposed to death..lier.
Like, Watain's Sworn To The Dark is great, as is Marduk's Plague Angel. Also, the band Kalmah have a huge discography and pretty much all of it is great stuff. But again, if you're looking specifically for death metal, all of those bands are more black than death.
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Suffocation motherfucker!
That's really all I wanted to say, I tend to lean toward melodic/tech _____ metal and that's the only band not listed yet that is straight up awesome death metal that I know of.
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"Death metal" is a pretty wide genre and, without knowing why you're interested in it, it's hard to just list bands. Plus you mentioned that you don't have much experience with metal to begin with - so why death specifically? What's drawing you to it?
I second Opeth; definitely listen to several of their albums from different time periods to get the full idea of what they're capable of. I agree with Blackwater Park as a good first album but I'd probably substitute My Arms, Your Hearse or Still Life for Morningrise.
Definitely some good bands listed here already. Hit up a few songs, figure out what you like or don't like, report back and I'm sure people will be able to narrow it down better.
I tend to listen to more sludge/industrial/extreme metal and haven't listened to much pure death in a while, but if you like Mastodon you'd probably also like High On Fire, Baroness, Isis, Neurosis... maayyybe Rosetta if you like the sludgier stuff.
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Oh, and Lykathea Aflame (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF6AazbybME), just because.
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Quo Vadis and Nile, if you want technical death metal, are good places to start.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ZCAarIVSI
Basically, you should start with Entombed's Left Hand Path and Dismember's Like An Ever Flowing Stream.
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As has been said, Opeth and Gojira are always great intros to this heavier genre (they're what got me pushed towards death metal).
In addition to everything mentioned here, I've personally always felt that Deicide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw1qmQjRTr0) has a really nice death growl. Other than that I guess they're rather generic.
I also really enjoy Oceano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGS8vvQKg14). They're quite frantic at times, while still maintaining the strong brutal power I associate with good death tunes.
And Suicide Silence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LrCuwic4o&feature=related) has some uniqueness to them that I enjoy as well.
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Actually, Bloodbath would probably be a great gateway for you. They kind of rip off older death metal bands, but I'd say they do it well. Check out Nightmares Made Flesh - it's easily Peter Tagtren's best vocal performance.
Definitely check out Entombed, Deicide, Dismember, Suffocation (old only), Decapitated, Disincarnate, Psycroptic, Anata, etc. Good call on Lykathea Aflame too, though they're not completely death metal.
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I also really enjoy Oceano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGS8vvQKg14). They're quite frantic at times, while still maintaining the strong brutal power I associate with good death tunes.
And Suicide Silence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LrCuwic4o&feature=related) has some uniqueness to them that I enjoy as well.
No, no, no, no, NO!!
Please, keep the deathcore out of the death metal thread. I can't stress this enough.
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Better yet, keep it out of this board altogether.
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I second that motion. Absolutely no fucking haircut bands!
Rather than bothering with Deathcore, why not return to what spawned it? When I got into death metal originally it was through MDM (Melodic Death Metal). Some of what people have already been suggesting in this thread is rather close to that (Opeth particularly). Some other ones (older and somewhat less poppiers stuff) that I used to dig back in the day that you might be interested in:
Arch Enemy - Angelclaw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX9pLsnUGS8): Pre Angela Gossow Arch-Enemy is fantastic for reasons that have nothing to do with the singer. This song is pure guitar heroics, without ever tipping over the edge into malmsteenesque wankery.
At The Gates - Slaughter of the Soul (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJme5uubkyQ): The memory of this band becomes more and more tainted as more and more metalcore and deathcore bands produce third-hand rip-offs of their sound, but this album is stll classic and I'll REFUSE HUGS to anyone who says otherwise :x
Carcass - Heartwork (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c27WAhchHDI): I am actually pretty shocked that this is the first time they have come up in this thread. Carcass are the fucking business. If you like this track you should also try some of their earlier (superior) stuff. Particularly indispensible classics include Corporal Jigsore Quandry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyGnQLBQUU8), Incarnated Solvent Abuse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIXJFRVUdWo&feature=related) and every single track on Reek of Putrefaction, an album that has inspired probably more blatant clones than just about anything else in the history of metal. Don't bother with the album Swansong; even the band practically pretends it doesn't exist these days.
Edge of Sanity - Twilight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP4Lhe6E7YY): EoS are a pretty key band. They're one of the key pioneers in the early mixing of death metal with elements of other musical genres, they're one of the first death metal bands to write songs about relationships that didn't involve someone getting stabbed in the genitals, and they had the benefit of at least two genius level songwriters, including the irrepressibly brilliant Dan Swano. Plus they are just good, which is actually what matters in the end.
In Flames - Moonshield (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CffJeVSAJk8): This is from the second-to-last In Flames album that is really worth buying. After this and the follow-up Whoracle the band completed their transformation into an absolute, painfully embarrassing joke who I deeply wish would just vanish from existence. Old stuff is alright though; early-mid 90's In Flames is probably the 'perfect' MDM. But seriously, even Whoracle is getting dodgy, and anything after that is pure dogshit*.
*I originally wrote 'pure goatvomt', but then I remembered that goatvomit is awesome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSzqX6a3r_U).
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Ah, In Flames. How I used to love you.
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I remember having an argument when I was 14 about whether In Flames or Cradle of Filth was the best band ever. This is why I try to be tolerant of the foibles of youth.
Seriously though, no deathcore.
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Fucking second on Gojira (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYXbvf98zHo)
On the topic of frogs who make awesome metal, Gorod (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccgqj3KDaVY) and Yyrkoon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8tH3u1AlNQ) bear mention.
Krisiun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRBy2_Un_zY) and Vader (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raerE_zUfCA) sound a bit more oldschool, but still awesome.
Akercocke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO8YkzMYcx4) are basically blackened prog death metal.
There's lighter stuff like Opeth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB1NuL-8Dhc) and Cynic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNGCJzPzAp0)
For more melodic stuff, there's Amon Amarth (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtAqzlQsTg8), Himsa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCvJVbt1MxQ), Kalmah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1NLxoFHU4w) and early In Flames (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLPXAcAsLgo)
Heaven shall burn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GZPXXCnGSs) started out metalcore, but they've been trying hard to go melodeath.
Finally, Meshuggah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc98u-eGzlc) kind of defy classification but are definitely worth a listen.
Also, holy shit, how did I forgot Death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRyl_p1z9Nw)?
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Also, Severed Savior are awesome.
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Behemoth.
Ahem, Excuse me...
B E H E M O T H
Try their album Demigod, if you like that get The Apostasy. Very, very heavy but always listenable and groovy. Fucking awesome.
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The Apostasy sucked. I'd stick to Demigod and earlier material - namely, Zos Kia Culta and Thelema.6.
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Carcass - Heartwork (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c27WAhchHDI): I am actually pretty shocked that this is the first time they have come up in this thread. Carcass are the fucking business. If you like this track you should also try some of their earlier (superior) stuff. Particularly indispensible classics include Corporal Jigsore Quandry (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyGnQLBQUU8), Incarnated Solvent Abuse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIXJFRVUdWo&feature=related) and every single track on Reek of Putrefaction, an album that has inspired probably more blatant clones than just about anything else in the history of metal. Don't bother with the album Swansong; even the band practically pretends it doesn't exist these days.
What's "these days"? I remember a concert video from '08 or '09 where they played one of the Swansong songs (I forget which) and pretty much said fuck the haters.
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Well, Swansong is their last album, and when I saw them they only played one song off it in a nearly two hour set, which, when you think about it, marginalises it utterly.
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Just out of curiosity ... how is Opeth death metal?
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opeth walk a fine line between melodic death metal and prog for those who are into tech death and brutal death the prog angle pulls them too far out of the genre where as people who listen to melo death still group them in with the death metal
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I wouldn't put Opeth directly under the death metal title... they are definitely very progressive and really don't fit under a definite genre (I've heard "progressive death metal" and "extreme progressive metal" thrown around equally but then we're getting into sub-subs). However, for someone delving into death metal for the first time, without knowing why they're specifically interested in DM, it's worth pointing them out.
Hell, it's worth pointing them out to pretty much anyone anyway.
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Opeth label themselves as Death metal, so i guess they are? Opeth were my first taste of modern metal, and at the time i wouldn't have lumped them in with stuff like Cannibal Corpse. I just see them as progressive metal. Early Opeth is basically proggy deathy black metal (Under the Weeping Moon, Black Rose Immortal) with a lot of folk put in (Night and the Silent Water) and spiced with some lovely positive pretentiousness.
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Hell, it's worth pointing them out to pretty much anyone anyway.
This is true, all sub-genre pedantry aside Opeth are a pretty good addition to just about any metal starter-pack.
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I've found Opeth to be like AC/DC and Motorhead. I love it when a song comes on in a mix, but I never listen to a whole album.
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I have a pretty harsh judgement considering Opeth. But I keep trying thm again and again because people here seem to adore them ...
To me they are more the 'difficultly noodling around kind of metal' in stead of the 'fuck shit up death metal' ...
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I also think Opeth have their moments, but some of their stuff sucks too - as in, the last few records sucked, and the last one especially. However, Orchid, Morningrise, and Still Life are all incredible albums.
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I actually think when you take out the song 'Burden,' Watershed is a really good record, probably one of my favorites by Opeth. Sure they are getting softer, less aggressive, but they're moving away from doing the same thing they've been doing since Still Life and experimenting a little. Were it not this way I don't know if I would be as excited as I am to see where they go next with the record that's supposed to be coming out in 2011
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I disagree, since I found it all relatively boring. "Burden" is such a rip-off of "Epitaph" by King Crimson, though.
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Hey Vuk, fuck you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSSLXMzxxP8), Watershed was a great album.
Also, Opeth are monstrous live, When i saw them last year they did White cluster, Harlequin Forest, and The Lotus Eater among others.
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Hey Vuk, fuck you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSSLXMzxxP8), Watershed was a great album
Oh wow, every Opeth song since Blackwater Park! A compelling argument indeed.
Maybe you guys should take this to another thread? This is about death metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjgpTis0Vo).
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Oh wow, every Opeth song since Blackwater Park! A compelling argument indeed.
Explanation, please?
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I've always been interested in how different regions of the world have idiosyncrasies in their death metal, but I've never been able to pinpoint what exactly sets Floridian death metal apart, apart from it being the first. I asked a death metal guru kind of a guy about it once, his answer was (as it is to most questions) "listen to Altars of Madness"
Anyone have thoughts on the matter? Any region of the world you like best in terms of the death metal it produces?
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Explanation, please?
It sounds like every single other Opeth song they've released since (and including Blackwater Park), only even more dull, poorly mixed and pedestrian, so that it essentially becomes a stodgy soup of every single cliche Opeth have developed over their career, albeit bizarrely produced as if it was a pop song.
In my opinion, the two best death-metal exporting regions of the world are Sweden and Poland.
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Hey Vuk, fuck you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSSLXMzxxP8), Watershed was a great album
This is about death metal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKjgpTis0Vo).
Now that's more like it.
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DÜTH METUHL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39QK29NHBKU&feature=related)
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I will give my two cents
Asphyx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mxR4-G6U_w): Great old school death metal, the guitar tone is just sick.
Insomnium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WWtUm8BeGY): Pretty neat melodic death metal with a hint of melancoly, nice stuff.
Kalmah (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRsdU-kh_pw): Kind of thrashy melodic death metal,the riffs are very catchy.
... Is it me or I did not read Suffocation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gh15FP8m-0) at all?... C'mon guys!
I also want to say that Slaughter of the Soul is overrated... There I say it. Their first 2 albums are way...WAY better.
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Suffocation motherfucker!
Definitely check out..Suffocation (old only),
The first two ATG albums are very good. So is SotS.
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OP, if you like Decapitated check out this band: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FwMdS49NuI
Their influence on Decapitated's sound is pretty obvious, and I'd say they're just as good. Also, to address everyone, what are your opinions on a new Decapitated album? It wouldn't be the same without Vitek, but Vogg is still one of my favourite metal guitarists...plus his riffing on Organic Hallusinosis was insane. I think it could be good.
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In my opinion, the two best death-metal exporting regions of the world are Sweden and Poland.
Throw France in there and you've got yourself a deal.
Their influence on Decapitated's sound is pretty obvious, and I'd say they're just as good. Also, to address everyone, what are your opinions on a new Decapitated album? It wouldn't be the same without Vitek, but Vogg is still one of my favourite metal guitarists...plus his riffing on Organic Hallusinosis was insane. I think it could be good.
I fucking love it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEmepOLgR3k)
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Throw France in there and you've got yourself a deal.
What are some other good French DM bands? I love Peste Noire; the guy fucking terrifies me, so I'm intrigued to know what else is coming from the rest of the country.
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Peste Noire is black metal. You can tell this fairly easily because he looks like this:
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/27844695/Peste+Noire++is+Famine.jpg)
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Suffocation motherfucker!
Definitely check out..Suffocation (old only),
The first two ATG albums are very good. So is SotS.
I sort of need to read more carefully. But I don't think that SotS is bad but I don't seen why there are so many people worship it so much.
Also.... I don't know how old are we talking about with Suffocation because their s/t is DAMN GOOD. Only the latest Oath of Blood was really meh.
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Peste Noire is black metal.
Can't be. I think I hear the bass.
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I would say Celeste but I think they're closer to black metal.
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Yeah France's stock in trade appears to be black metal or at least black-metal-fusion stuff. Depends on what yr bounds are for what constitutes black metal proper. See also Blut Aus Nord, Deathspell Omega and at the really far end of the spectrum, Alcest and related projects.
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LES LEGIONES NOIRES
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Everything Niege has been involved in has been great, so I second the "Alcest and related projects'" statement, as well as Blut Aus Nord. What I love about bands like Deathspell Omega is that they almost avoid classification - I think they're always somewhere in between death metal and black metal, with some albums leaning more to the death metal side and others to the black metal side.
Either way, I'm not so sure how easy it would be for someone just getting into death metal to listen to Deathspell, haha. Then again, tastes differ so you never know.
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Why Am I readng stuff about Black metal in this thread about death metal? :psyduck:
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Guys, Amon Amarth.
Loud, thick, good full-voiced vocals, some semblance of melody still, mostly decent production values--they are a great starter death metal band.
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Lol, no thanks. I hated that band even when I was just getting into death metal.
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Yeah.... What he said. :-P
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Amon Amarth are ok at what they do. Or at least they were, last few albums bored the shit out of me to the point I deleted them and never bought them.
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In related news. Chuck Schuldiner died 9 years ago today :cry:
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Ehm ... God Dethroned!
I've got a healthy measure of respect for their CD Passiondale ...
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LES LEGIONES NOIRES
Vlad Tepes is one of the three BM bands I listen to. DO IT.
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The LLN made some incredibly interesting music, but I have not heard any bands besides Vlad Tepes, Belketre, and Mutilation that were good
What are some others? There were others, right? A friend of mine insists that most all of what came out of that whole scene is shit
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oh cool, a thread i can contribute to :mrgreen:
there's some good recs in here about older 'classic' death metal bands, but there are also newer 'modern' bands in the genre that are pushing the genre and actually sounding good doing it.
bands like Hour of Penance who have put out two really excellent albums in the last couple years, and the related side-project Fleshgod Apocalypse, which has to be some of the best classical-music influenced tech death I have ever heard.
There is also Decrepit Birth, whose album '..And Time Begins' is considered by m(e) to be a death metal masterpeice. They've since streamlined their sound over the past two albums but they are still worth checking out.
Honestly, pretty much any band on the more death-metal-centric labels like Willowtip and Unique Leader are worth checking out. Go explore. :evil:
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Seconding Fleshgod Apocalypse. Adding System Divide.
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Sorry for the ones who like them but Oh god dammit are LLN a piece of overrated rubbish.... from horrible to listenable but nothing more.
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LLN are over-rated in certain corners (name a black metal band* that isn't) but they're far from rubbish.
*Actually name any metal band.
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Willowtip and Unique Leader have been slacking in good shit this year. New Decrepit Birth was terrible, and Fleshgod Apocalypse is just what you would expect it to be from listening to one song. Anything good coming up, though?
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Son of Aurelius is worth checking out if you haven't already.
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LLN are over-rated in certain corners (name a black metal band* that isn't) but they're far from rubbish.
*Actually name any metal band.
Skyclad.
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Also Mithras godfuckingdamnit.
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Luuuuuuuuuudicra
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LLN are over-rated in certain corners (name a black metal band* that isn't) but they're far from rubbish.
The problem for me is that I can't understand the fuzz that imo they don't deserve: It's just raw metal that has been done before (and better) by a bunch of guys who focused way too much (even by black metal standards) on their image and ideology than on the music itself. Trying to be "kult as fukk" but are just" has-beens and never-was". Mütiilation seems like the only one that is ok
Also Mithras godfuckingdamnit.
I always try to get into them but always get the feeling that I want to listen to Morbid Angel instead.
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Ensiferum, Dark Tranquility and Children of Bodom are my picks. Yes, technically they're Melodic Death Metal, I'm aware.
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Ensiferum and Children of Bodom aren't actually melodic death metal.
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I'm surprised to see Khar showing so much restraint all of a sudden. What gives?
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I am just stating things that are completely true. It is something I do quite often.
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WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH KHAR?!!
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You need to calm down, chap.
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I guess I just needed someone who could call those bands out as crap without me having to do it. I can't get away with that stuff as easy, since I'm still not as established a poster.
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Ensiferum and Children of Bodom aren't actually melodic death metal.
Meh, wikipedia agrees with me anyway.
You still love me don't you wiki?
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WHY WONT YOU SAY YOU LOVE ME?!
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For me Children Of Bodom is like a faster version of Power Metal with harsh vocals and not singing about castles and dragons and that kind of stuff.
Ensiferum... Ummm, Not death anyway but I'm not sure since I don't really listem to them.
Back on topic... Bloodbaths debut (only the debut) is amazing imo. It has a really awesome production that makes me think of really bad horror movies. Fun atmosphere overall, saldy they didn't use this production again and now the music is sort of meh.
Hail Of Bullets and Asphyx both have such a crunchy production that I love... Oh, Immolation is also great, There's some really creepy stuff going on in Close to a World Below. The vocals are insane sometimes.
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Nightmares Made Flesh is still a good record, mostly because of the incredible songwriting chops. Outnumbering the Day and Eaten in particular are just so fucking perfect. It may sound somewhat fanboyish to say it but Bloodbath for me died after Swano departed. The Blakkheim/Swano team is a juggernaut that destroys minds and reaps souls (see also Diabolical Masquerade).
For ultrakvltpoints my favourite Bloodbath release overall is probably actually their first EP Breeding Death. Two words:
OMINOUS BLOODVOMIT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZhHaac8T8s).
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(see also Diabolical Masquerade).
Hell yes. Swano's pretty spectacular on his own, but this was pretty tops. I've always been curious as to what the film of Death's Design would have been like.
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OMINOUS BLOODVOMIT
Is there another kind of bloodvomit?
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I have witnessed firsthand some truly hilarious bloodvomit.
On the subject of death metal; Severed Crotch. They are a band that is local to me, I've been going to their shows for a few years now and they just released their debut full length. It is AMAZING. But you don't have to take my word on it, you can stream all of it here. (http://severedcrotch.bandcamp.com/album/the-nature-of-entropy) The first track is an instrumental intro, so skip it if you're impatient/giving the band a quick glance.
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Kind of seems like any other tech death band. Maybe it's just me.