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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Oerdin on 02 Jan 2011, 01:25
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Over the last few years Jeph has put out a top 10 albums of the year list but I'm having trouble finding the list for 2010. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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i think he posted it in a news post with the comic a week or two ago
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right here (http://questionablecontent.net/top102010.php).
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Well now that's solved, what are we supposed to do with this thread?
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wait for jeph to arrive and/or call him out
hey jeph: salem blow
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:evil:
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I remember being annoyed by Salem after coming across them because they share their name with an alright Isreali death metal band and the fans of Salem the 'witch house' band were being pretty big cocks in Salem's last.fm shoutbox and so on.
What's up with this witch house thing anyway. It seems to be like a cut-rate version of shit that's being going on semi-underground for the last thirty years or so but now hipsters are doing it with black triangles and smoke covering their faces and rapping over it occasionally and it's cool shit. Is this trend already basically dead? Because it totally seems like something I could do to make some money but I need a drug chic lady with bad hair to sing for me.
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I need a drug chic lady with bad hair to sing for me.
You're at an art college. How is this a problem?
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Good to se "Paracletus" on there. Definitely album of the year for me.
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I agree with GRUM and Sleigh Bells. Fang Island is alright, but not sure about the others. Salem seems to have one decent sound. All the songs I can find are derivative of it. Ariel Pink isn't very interesting. LCD Soundsystem is alright but nothing overly special.
I saw GRUM live and they were pretty great. I saw the Glitch Mob later that night and it was like being covered in liquid bass and gently shaken. So fucking tops.
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i love chris weingarten a lot but i especially love him for things like this
(http://www.aprilfish.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/anti-witch-house.jpg)
Here are some of my fave recent songs that have many of the qualities people love about Salem—dark, foreboding, gauzy, enveloping, rhythmically unique, crypto-gothtastic, murky. But these tracks have the added value of outdated ideas like “passion” and “working knowledge of your equipment” and “not having a corny-ass white person that says ‘skreets.’” Keep your ears peeled, indie rockers… you might even hear an actual rap song or two. See u @ the Fader Fort! #boo
you can still get it here (http://www.MF.com/?e260ew54y0bdayy), shockingly enough; usual rule applies for the link.
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I like how Jeph negates all of the P4k standards (Salem, Sleigh Bells, Ariel Pink) on his list with "when I first heard this I thought it was total crap but.." or something similar. Be proud of your choices! Even if they are hilariously entry-level!
(OK so that's painfully snobbish but it's just weird because based on his newsposts and tweets and what have you the dude listens to some pretty weird and varied shit so it's funny how his Top 10 list reflects pretty much none of that)
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Wait, this guy Chris Weingarten hates Salem, but he loves Flocka? What?
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i have not listened to a single album on this list
:psyduck: am i not cool anymore?
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this guy Chris Weingarten
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Wait, this guy Chris Weingarten hates Salem, but he loves Flocka? What?
Wait, he likes Flocka? Weingarten, I am disappoint. Shit don't make sense considering everything else he calls out all the time.
It's a dang-ol shame because pretty much everything else he calls hip-hop c.2010 on is dead-the-fuck-on.
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"It's embarrassingly easy to do what they do." douche
it is, though, and that's the problem; they're content to just do it rather than slap any craftsmanship into it. there doesn't seem to be a lot of pride in doing anything except stuff that "sounds cool" and the problem is with stuff that "sounds cool" is that unless you have an idea of something that you want to do with it, it almost inevitably turns out terminally boring (viz. also dozens of acts making post-rock, prog, ambient, psych, noise, etc.). i mean to convey here that they really haven't thought about why it sounds cool, or what it might do once it sounds cool, they just smacked a few keys and buttons and then left it at that.
and it is, in fact, embarrassingly easy to have done this; anyone in a band or anyone who does music writing has probably known someone who does this and has had to listen to their output while wearing a like really polite grin that feels internally like it's going to turn into a cringe any second. and pretending that it's not easy to do that ("that" being play around with a pedal or a knob or a key or what have you) is a serious disservice to those people. what all half-decent artists have to learn, one way or the other, is that once you know what sounds cool, you have to make it do something, otherwise your work is going to come out totally half-baked and turgid.
there's plenty of shit that's out there that hinges on stuff that sounds cool but it puts those sounds, usually, in some kind of stylistic context, elevating both the cool sounds and the style itself by effectively and cleverly synthesizing things. easy, salem-relevant example: dj screw figured out that slowed-down shit sounds really cool, so he started doing it as remixes to songs, making them hit lower and harder, but also occasionally changing the tone of the song, making it menacing or airy or playful or just flat-out weird depending on what he wanted to do with it; rappers took the screwed aesthetic and then applied it to normal-ass, structured and crafted rap songs, taking a genre whose audience was familiar with its tropes and reinventing those tropes in a clever and interesting new way. this wouldn't be the reason why they brought screwed aesthetics into their songs, mind you, if you were to ask them: most likely they'd say they did it because it "sounded cool." but that, fundamentally, is why it worked. or the reason waka outstrips salem by a wide mile, for example, is that waka isn't exactly much of a lyricist either but he has an extraordinary knack for tossing a club hook or several into a song and transforming it into an anthem. even not-great lyrics can work well in a context, and salem crucially don't really get why not-great lyrics can work well.
so yeah okay my point is that they do the stuff they do because they think it sounds cool, but i'm personally sick of hearing that as an excuse or a rationalization for someone's shitty half-formed audio farts being foisted on an unsuspecting world, and i get the feeling weingarten does too. i don't hate salem because they're kind of awful – they are, but i don't hate every awful band that comes along. i hate salem because they ex- and implicitly use not caring as defense for releasing shitty music. that's a hell of a low thing to do. and that's not even playing to the race card, which like i think the "sounds cool" thing is again being used as a kind of apathetic defense for not actually thinking about what you're doing.
fuck apathy forever basically, be earnest or die shitting
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I guess mocking a dude for not knowing the name of a music critic for the village voice is pretty earnest yeah.
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Chris Weingarten made Linkin Park his #4 best album for 2010
where is yr god now
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Chris Weingarten made Linkin Park his #4 best album for 2010
where is yr god now
I dunno, I haven't listened to this album, have you? For all I know it's solid gold (I mean, I doubt it, but there are points and there are points).
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Chris Weingarten made Linkin Park his #4 best album for 2010
where is yr god now
his 2009 pazz & jop list included green day's '21st century breakdown' lmao
i've only listened to three new linkin park songs but they were three songs i'd liked to never have listened to
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I thought you loved hyper-commercialised teenage wuss rock?
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yes i obviously love it across the board because i like paramore???
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All I ask for is consistency.
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you're not asking for it here, which makes you a liar
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I am asking for you to like Linkin Park.
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i don't wanna! *runs to room and slams door, turns around to see that the wall is covered in posters for meteora* nooooooooooo
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... I like Meteora ...
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:psyduck:
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I like Meteora!
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