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I'm curious what people think of Muse
or more straight-forwardly
why are people always hating on Muse so much?
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I've always liked Muse. Except that new album is totally shit.
People hate on Muse because they're pretty popular and that will bring out people to hate on them. For example, a lot of people hate Justin Bieber. It's really the same reasoning.
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I can't tell if your whole post is sarcastic or not
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Muse are great. I think its a combination of Matt's vocals and generally being prog-related that puts people off. Especially The Resistance, that wasn't a very good album for casual-semi serious listeners like myself. Some songs were different and well crafted, others were different and rubbish. In terms of their fanbase everyone expects a new Absolution but I can't see that happening.
Is anyone else bothered just how much Bellamy emulated Brian May's sound on their last album?
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Muse are great.
Have to disagree vehemently. Every time Muse release a new song it is pretty much a carbon copy of the last one and they do it unashamedly.
I hear that they put on a good live show though.
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People hate on Muse because they're pretty popular and that will bring out people to hate on them. For example, a lot of people hate Justin Bieber. It's really the same reasoning.
Yeah I've always figured this was the case here in the UK anyway. They're one of those distinctly-above-average, nothing-special-but-quite-good bands who mysteriously get terrifyingly huge, meaning people who don't like them and wouldn't have listened to them normally are exposed to them. Leads to fear, hate, the dark side etc.
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Have to disagree vehemently. Every time Muse release a new song it is pretty much a carbon copy of the last one and they do it unashamedly.
They're like a punk band in that aspect, but not good.
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muse is like radiohead, but designed for profit.
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Matt Bellamy is one of the most scarily talented musicians to be in a popular, mainstream successful band of today. Unfortunately, since the success of Black Holes and Revelations, he has shamelessly squandered that talent with some incredibly misjudged and increasingly poor songs (I belong to you, Guiding Light spring to mind) and it's a real shame, go back to Origin of Symmetry or Absolution and that talent is very much obvious.
And also, as has been mentioned already, The Resistance is shit. The whole concept doesn't hang together, one moment he's inciting Teddy Bear revolution, the next he's clumsily referencing 1984, then he's singing in French in one of my all time least favourite songs (twice as disappointing from previously one of my favourite bands) and finally he rips off Beethoven etc. It's pretentious and indulgent in ways that only the worst prog rock ever was.
@Sean; Musically, Radiohead comparisons ceased being valid about 7 years ago. =P
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I liked Muse a lot when I was a sophomore in high school.
Not so much now.
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I have no problem with Muse. I really appreciate "Time Is Running Out". I wouldn't call them one of my favorite bands, though. I don't think it's unreasonable to say their music doesn't totally appeal to me while still admitting they are talented dudes.
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I liked Muse a lot when I was a sophomore in high school.
Not so much now.
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They do put on one hell of a show though
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Whoa I feel like we had this exact thread already.
Am I being punk'd?
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@Sean; Musically, Radiohead comparisons ceased being valid about 7 years ago. =P
i dont understand this statement, why can't one compare something to radiohead? is it against the rules?
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i mean last time i checked muse was a bad radiohead ripoff for the masses.
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I liked Muse a lot when I was a sophomore in high school.
Not so much now.
This is mostly the case for me. Except replace Sophomore with Freshman. Over time I just grew out of the music. I mean Origin of Symmetry is probably still in my top 10 albums because its just pretty dang above average and it brings back some good memories. And so every few months or so I'll put it on just for nostalgia's sake. Though to be honest, there's loads of better music out there.
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sean I'm pretty sure he meant Radiohead comparisons to Muse stopped being valid a while ago
this is pretty much true I mean the two sound nothing alike any more except for crooning vocals
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When Marx undertook his critique of the capitalistic mode of production, this mode was in its infancy. Marx directed his efforts in such a way as to give them prognostic value. He went back to the basic conditions underlying capitalistic production and through his presentation showed what could be expected of capitalism in the future. The result was that one could expect it not only to exploit the proletariat with increasing intensity, but ultimately to create conditions which would make it possible to abolish capitalism itself.
The transformation of the superstructure, which takes place far more slowly than that of the substructure, has taken more than half a century to manifest in all areas of culture the change in the conditions of production. Only today can it be indicated what form this has taken. Certain prognostic requirements should be met by these statements. However, theses about the art of the proletariat after its assumption of power or about the art of a classless society would have less bearing on these demands than theses about the developmental tendencies of art under present conditions of production. Their dialectic is no less noticeable in the superstructure than in the economy. It would therefore be wrong to underestimate the value of such theses as a weapon. They brush aside a number of outmoded concepts, such as creativity and genius, eternal value and mystery – concepts whose uncontrolled (and at present almost uncontrollable) application would lead to a processing of data in the Fascist sense. The concepts which are introduced into the theory of art in what follows differ from the more familiar terms in that they are completely useless for the purposes of Fascism. They are, on the other hand, useful for the formulation of revolutionary demands in the politics of art.
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11:20] KharBevNor: Every time someone posts in the Muse thread
[11:21] KharBevNor: I'm going to reply with another section of The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction
[11:22] emilio: what will you do when you run out?
[11:23] KharBevNor: Complete correspondence of V.I. Lenin
[11:23] emilio: hmm
[11:24] KharBevNor: Or maybe I will think of something more relevant before then
[11:24] emilio: i do think that people benefit from reading
[11:24] KharBevNor: Certainly more than they benefit from Muse
I have never liked Muse though I did enjoy that one video.
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In principle a work of art has always been reproducible. Man-made artifacts could always be imitated by men. Replicas were made by pupils in practice of their craft, by masters for diffusing their works, and, finally, by third parties in the pursuit of gain. Mechanical reproduction of a work of art, however, represents something new. Historically, it advanced intermittently and in leaps at long intervals, but with accelerated intensity. The Greeks knew only two procedures of technically reproducing works of art: founding and stamping. Bronzes, terra cottas, and coins were the only art works which they could produce in quantity. All others were unique and could not be mechanically reproduced. With the woodcut graphic art became mechanically reproducible for the first time, long before script became reproducible by print. The enormous changes which printing, the mechanical reproduction of writing, has brought about in literature are a familiar story. However, within the phenomenon which we are here examining from the perspective of world history, print is merely a special, though particularly important, case. During the Middle Ages engraving and etching were added to the woodcut; at the beginning of the nineteenth century lithography made its appearance. With lithography the technique of reproduction reached an essentially new stage. This much more direct process was distinguished by the tracing of the design on a stone rather than its incision on a block of wood or its etching on a copperplate and permitted graphic art for the first time to put its products on the market, not only in large numbers as hitherto, but also in daily changing forms. Lithography enabled graphic art to illustrate everyday life, and it began to keep pace with printing. But only a few decades after its invention, lithography was surpassed by photography. For the first time in the process of pictorial reproduction, photography freed the hand of the most important artistic functions which henceforth devolved only upon the eye looking into a lens. Since the eye perceives more swiftly than the hand can draw, the process of pictorial reproduction was accelerated so enormously that it could keep pace with speech. A film operator shooting a scene in the studio captures the images at the speed of an actor’s speech. Just as lithography virtually implied the illustrated newspaper, so did photography foreshadow the sound film. The technical reproduction of sound was tackled at the end of the last century. These convergent endeavors made predictable a situation which Paul Valery pointed up in this sentence:
“Just as water, gas, and electricity are brought into our houses from far off to satisfy our needs in response to a minimal effort, so we shall be supplied with visual or auditory images, which will appear and disappear at a simple movement of the hand, hardly more than a sign.”
Around 1900 technical reproduction had reached a standard that not only permitted it to reproduce all transmitted works of art and thus to cause the most profound change in their impact upon the public; it also had captured a place of its own among the artistic processes. For the study of this standard nothing is more revealing than the nature of the repercussions that these two different manifestations – the reproduction of works of art and the art of the film – have had on art in its traditional form.
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will you do this for every single post or just every time you see it has new replies?
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like, if I do a whole lot of successive posting, do I get to read more? because I'm fascinated
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maybe you should post enough to compensate for the whole thread retroactively
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Why I hate Muse:
Seriously I dont hate Muse. I just feel like that as a whole the do not deserve the credit they are getting. I have honestly tried to listen to their albums and all I've gotten out of them is me going 'oh radiohead with a bit more rock'. Which I guess is not a bad thing, but I seriously do no understand the hordes and hordes of people that like Muse. I mean, as far as a band goes, Muse is honestly one of the most boring bands to like. And I've heard people that like 'early' Muse agree with me about this.
It's a band that technically isn't bad, but for some reason have shot into superstardom without any apparent reason beyond they have a strong fan base.
Basically. I hate Muse because their fans are obsessive, and while they're not that bad of a band it's the fact that they can do no wrong (even if it is produce a song that actually had me laughing AT them when I first heard it) in the eyes of their fans. Whatever they do, it'll be OKAY.
And that pisses me off. If you can't disagree with a band you used to be really into, even if they're new stuff is arguably quite shit, than what the fuck are you doing? You're listening to a band for the band's sake, as opposed to the music.
EDIT: yeah whatever I was pretty drunk when I wrote this post.
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On the other hand, when a person tells me "I like Muse" I reconsider everything I know about them, and re-evaluate my friendship with them. I am that big of a douchebag.
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I guess what I'm saying is
i drink concentrated oj
can i think consolidated's okay?
it's not the band i hate, it's their fans
three cans of water perverts me
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hordes has an 'e' dude
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I used to be really into Origin of Symmetry. I can still listen to some of their better tracks from time to time, but I find Bellamy's voice really irritating.
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As far as I can tell, yeah, a lot of the hate for Muse comes from a perceived gross over-enthusiasm for a band that others hear and think of as "meh!" or even just annoying. I am not a huge fan of overly melodramatic or bombastic rock music, so I don't much like Muse.
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I don't think I've ever heard Muse, certainly not knowingly, however even if I had I probably wouldn't remember that the song I was hearing was from a band called Muse because that is the most boring name for a band ever. Spectacularly, almost heroically boring.
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My main beef with Muse is that the chick who does the request show on weeknights on Triple J just won't shut the hell up about them. Every bloody day she has the same inane conversation with some boring caller about Muse and/or Muse fan forums. This is not good radio!
Also their music is boring and their lyrics seem like just cool sounding words thrown together without any thought as to whether it makes sense or not.
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Muse sounds like Radiohead by way of Journey. That is to say, who cares?
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Muse are a band that is perfect for people who have recently discovered that there is social value in getting familiar enough with a single band to be able to (reasonably eloquently) sing their praises to members of the opposite sex. Those who find that they succeed in this, also find that it works better as you get older and seek out better music (and older and more interesting members of the opposite sex). Those who do not find success do not progress, and are claimed by this vicious circle unless they find new mating strategies.
People who enjoy Muse are as likely as not to go on to develop quite respectable taste in music, in my experience. Precisely as likely as not, in fact. It's a coin flip. Liking Muse can be a very important, if early, step on a long and considerably interesting path of musical exploration, or it can become a relatively benign if cumbersome growth on the stunted and twisted tree that is the iTunes library of a 26-year-old man who still has acne, a ponytail, and multiple buttondown shirts with dragons on them.
Basically, the more you get laid, the less listening to Muse is in your future ... even though it might've gotten you laid a couple times before getting laid was really a regular thing in your life. There's a small window when it's totally probably kind of sweet to listen to Muse on the regular (or so I've gathered) ... and it's right around junior year of high school, as long as you hang out with the theater kids who actually lose their virginity before graduation instead of the computer-lab kids who don't.
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like, if I do a whole lot of successive posting, do I get to read more? because I'm fascinated
You can read the whole thing here (http://anthropology.uwo.ca/stchristian/course%20files/benjamin_work%20of%20art.pdf). If you enjoy it you could probably find a used copy of Illuminations pretty easily. It is a pretty good collection of his work.
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You ruined it, just like Muse ruined music.
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Muse are like AC/DC, they bring out a new album and every single one of their songs sounds exactly the same as a track on their last album.
I'm sure that if they put their minds to it, they could produce something absolutely brilliant, as they are all, especially Bellamy, brilliant musicians, but they just disappoint me every time.
There are differences in theme, tone and musical arrangement from Origin of Symmetry to Absolution to Black Holes and Revelations, The Resistance is the first album where they've simply repeated themselves.
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You're obviously not getting the theme or tone of this thread.
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Or they just don't give a fuck.
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You ruined it, just like Muse ruined music.
Sorry :( I don't often find people expressing a genuine interest in Walter Benjamin so I got excited.
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Yeah, sorry but if you thought that interest was genuine you... well, you were wrong.
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See I liked when I could pretend that Khar just made up those big copy-paste things- just thought about a topic, came up with a dissertation and only wrote down a couple paragraphs from the middle.
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Matt Bellamy is one of the most scarily talented musicians to be in a popular, mainstream successful band of today. Unfortunately, since the success of Black Holes and Revelations, he has shamelessly squandered that talent with some incredibly misjudged and increasingly poor songs (I belong to you, Guiding Light spring to mind) and it's a real shame, go back to Origin of Symmetry or Absolution and that talent is very much obvious.
And also, as has been mentioned already, The Resistance is shit. The whole concept doesn't hang together, one moment he's inciting Teddy Bear revolution, the next he's clumsily referencing 1984, then he's singing in French in one of my all time least favourite songs (twice as disappointing from previously one of my favourite bands) and finally he rips off Beethoven etc. It's pretentious and indulgent in ways that only the worst prog rock ever was.
@Sean; Musically, Radiohead comparisons ceased being valid about 7 years ago. =P
This. This is exactly what is wrong with Muse. Good posting, new guy.
Even very early on I always thought of Muse as being a band in flux between their desire to sound like Radiohead and their desire to sound like Queen. And like most bands with two obvious + prominent influences, their best work was done when they struck a balance between those two influences and didn't lean too heavily on one or the other. Muse in particular are interesting because their career is very linear in this respect, starting as a band that ripped off Radiohead with a little bit of Queen and slowly introducing more Queen up until Black Holes and Revelations, at which point they became more Queen than Radiohead. The sweet spot of this being Absolution and then Origin of Symmetry and BH&R, in that order.
Also, Bellamy was never that hot of a lyricist in the the first place, and always took himself way too seriously in that respect but that was OK because he only wrote vague stuff about feelings and shit anyway. But then around BH&R he decided it would be a good idea to start writing (what considers to be) politically charged stuff with all this half-cocked talk about "revolution" and fighting the man and whatnot, which he then sings in gigantic stadium multimedia productions funded by Warner Bros. charging upwards of $100 for tickets. It's this kind of cod-political songwriting that lacks any kind of actual ideological center, because obviously coming out against anybody except roughly sketched boogiemen runs the risk of alienating somebody, anybody, which is bad for record sales et al. It also makes a lot of sense re: what has already been established in this thread as Muse's main appeal, which is to 15 year olds, basically, where it is quite common to feel a non-specific, unfocused outrage against "the man", without any actual articulation of who or what the man is or represents.
EDIT: A lot of these sentences don't even approach making grammatical sense but I'm not gonna change them because I don't give a fuck. I am aware of it though.
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Yeah, sorry but if you thought that interest was genuine you... well, you were wrong.
My heart, she is broken.
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Why I hate Muse:
Seriously I dont hate Muse. I just feel like that as a whole the do not deserve the credit they are getting. I have honestly tried to listen to their albums and all I've gotten out of them is me going 'oh radiohead with a bit more rock'. Which I guess is not a bad thing, but I seriously do no understand the hordes and hordes of people that like Muse. I mean, as far as a band goes, Muse is honestly one of the most boring bands to like. And I've heard people that like 'early' Muse agree with me about this.
To be fair, most probably do what I did which was to unintentionally discover Muse before you unintentionally discover Radiohead. And if it was also at the point where Hullaballoo and Absolution were the latest albums then you get pretty swept up in that.
I agree that they are a tight band musically and I do enjoy a lot of their stuff. But also, as others have stated, it was more of a high school fad. I really don't listen to them much anymore. I did see them live once last year and they were damn good.
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Whoa I feel like we had this exact thread already.
Am I being punk'd?
I have a temptation now to just recreate threads from early in this board's history. Just start an identical topic and see if the course of the thread remains true.
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See I liked when I could pretend that Khar just made up those big copy-paste things- just thought about a topic, came up with a dissertation and only wrote down a couple paragraphs from the middle.
That's actually what I did the last time I was copy-pasting chunks of text. I just lifted paragraphs out of order from my Fine Art BA dissertation. I've run out of dissertation now though.
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I wrote half of that shit an hour before the due in time.
I've done that all my life. It's worked for me in general, but is leading to a dramatically high-tension few days right now (it would be out of place to explain, but in case there is even one person who understands: MHRA inspection! )
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i feel so accomplished for recognizing walter benjamin woo
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Muse are definitely a high school band. That said, OoS and Absolution remain pretty great. They've plummeted since.
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I liked a couple of muse songs off the first 2 albums but not enough to actually seek out their music. Then I heard a new single from them maybe 5 years later and wondered how they managed to sound so shitty. Like many here have said they weren't that amazing to begin with but they could have been better rather than devolving the way they did. Oh well, such is life.
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Judging by the avatar, I'd say middle school.
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:laugh:
No, I'm 21. Which isn't too far from highschool I guess.
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i tried to watch a Muse video on Youtube once
i did not succeed
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The sanity police intercepted you?
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it was boring at it's best and shit at it's worst, so i turned it off after a minute or two
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Muse is not a terrible band, they're just so utterly mediocre it's hard to believe the mass adoration they enjoy. It's just completely ball-less, mediocre Radiohead does not-quite-prog for the Hot Topic shopper.
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i feel so accomplished for recognizing walter benjamin woo
me too.
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muse's lyrics are patently sillier than bruce springsteen tommy you are talking a crock of shit
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Going rather outside the scope of whether or not they're good or bad, I think most people dislike them because they have somehow found out that they provided lots of "Muse" for much of the Twilight series. Apparently, Stephanie Meyers even says that some of the sections of her books are blatant ripoffs of whole Muse songs.
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People hate Muse? Fluff, where have I been?
I only have apathy towards them. I like their "Feeling Good" cover... That's pretty much all I can say about them.
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However, Muse's most recent album lacked the actual musical depth to hide the pseudo-political waffle beneath.
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Going rather outside the scope of whether or not they're good or bad, I think most people dislike them because they have somehow found out that they provided lots of "Muse" for much of the Twilight series. Apparently, Stephanie Meyers even says that some of the sections of her books are blatant ripoffs of whole Muse songs.
I dunno, a bunch of really good artists provided music to the Twilight soundtrack. Lots of people would be without music to listen to if they followed that reasoning.
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Yeah, I was just saying that socio-political rhetoric does not have to be devastatingly incisive to justify inclusion in a song.
that's fair!
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Going rather outside the scope of whether or not they're good or bad, I think most people dislike them because they have somehow found out that they provided lots of "Muse" for much of the Twilight series. Apparently, Stephanie Meyers even says that some of the sections of her books are blatant ripoffs of whole Muse songs.
I dunno, a bunch of really good artists provided music to the Twilight soundtrack. Lots of people would be without music to listen to if they followed that reasoning.
I still love Grizzly Bear.
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They were in the soundtrack for the second one. Looking at both; it's heaps better than the original, and nowhere near dripping in the same level of angst that Meyers seems to adore. Which really seems to be her angle; or 'angst'-le, if you will. Muse does do angst pretty well and as an unfortunate side effect (if they were trying to get away from that) are in every soundtrack thus far.
Apparently the only other big non-advertisement appearance they made was on the Swordfish soundtrack.
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...or 'angst'-le, if you will.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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I don't really find Muse THAT similar to Radiohead. Maybe because I just don't get the same feelings when I listen to them. Radiohead feels more depressive for me.
I like Muse, but I just got into them for a only a while ago since I'm mostly into metal stuff so I'm not a fan at all and I don't think I will never be one. I just like them but I don't think they are hate-worthy or fanboy-worthy at all.
So for me, all the hate comments are sort of... meh. :|
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I love Radiohead, and I think it's just seen as cool to bash on muse, I slightly laugh/facepalm at any 'Hurr Durr, Muse is radiohead but more commercial' because:
A. They blatantly haven't properly listened to any Muse recorded in the last 7 years
B. I'm pretty sure that Radiohead have sold more records than Muse.
If you don't care about the musical distinction about muse and radiohead then fine, I know a lot of people in this thread don't give two shits and just want a good bash. But the Muse=More Commercial Radiohead is really retarded.
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Lol, people make that claim? I've never seen or heard anyone say that. I just think Bellamy sounds exactly like Thom Yorke, but makes the vocal style irritating.
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They sound like Radiohead in the way that many, many, many English bands of a certain vintage sound like Radiohead
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Bellamy doesn't have that oh so charming lazy eye!
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Nation of Ulysses were all talk really but they sure made some incredible music.
can we just talk about nation of ulysses instead. 13 point program to destroy america is fuckin' sweeeet.
i haven't heard a lot by muse but what i did hear sounded more liike a queen rip-off than a radiohead rip-off. except the vocals are more annoying.
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Lol, people make that claim? I've never seen or heard anyone say that. I just think Bellamy sounds exactly like Thom Yorke, but makes the vocal style irritating.
The highlighted part of your post was unnecessary.
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Has anyone else noticed how, when Matt Bellamy starts singing, he never fucking shuts up. Listen to pretty much any Muse song, as soon as he hits a note he always holds it till the next note and does this weird hurrrrrRrrRRrRrRrr sound. It is a vocal tick that has driven me to murder, and I liked Muse once upon a time.
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On the other hand, when a person tells me "I like Muse" I reconsider everything I know about them, and re-evaluate my friendship with them. I am that big of a douchebag.
I 'like' Muse. Sort of, I refer you back to the quotations. I like a few of their songs, I bought an album once, I think. It was a while ago.
I subconsciously scale all bands on sort of a 10 point system. I believe I've already mentioned that by brain is weird. Muse are either a 5 or 6 depending on my mood and on the song, so I average it at 5.5. This approximately translates to:
This song/album/artist neither offends me nor sturs feelings of pleasure. It is bland, but not horribly so. If played at a party it will but accepted, neither actively or grudgingly. It simply is. If this refers to an album or band then one or two songs may crop up on playlists as exceptions to the rule.
As such I don't dislike Muse, and like one or two songs, which precariously pushes them into the 'like' range. I don't genuinely like the band or even most of their songs, their just not worth the effort to hate or even ignore.
Sorry, wait...
(Last year's winner: Matt Bellamy)
What?!
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NME AWARDS SHORTLIST 2011
Hottest Man
Alex Turner
Billie Joe Armstrong
Dominic Howard
Jared Leto
Matt Bellamy
(Last year's winner: Matt Bellamy)
I wouldn't expect you to know this but Dominic Howard is the drummer for Muse. Muse get two noms in a "Hottest Man" competition for what some would like to pretend is a "music awards show"
WE HATE THE NME
I SAID
WE HATE THE NME
I SAID
WE HATE THE FUCKING NME (http://www.box.net/shared/osbyfd3sco)
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Anyone notice that famous (culturally (http://stereogum.com/84171/glenn_beck_loves_muse/news/) damaging?) Mormons love Muse? (http://www.musewiki.org/Stephenie_Meyer)
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Going to a school full of them, I can testify to the fact that it's not just the famous, culturally damaging ones that have a really uncanny inclination towards them.
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Yeah a mormon buddy of mine loves em.
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i know a couple mormons but they've never heard of muse
also, i just googled "NME" since i didn't know what it was and....wow.
that's all. just wow.
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Ah, the music magazine of my youth (it started when I was 6 years old) - printed on crappy newsprint in those days, of course.